Guest Post by Bob Tisdale
The numbers are rolling in…and they’re impressive in a odd way. Based on numerous news reports, somewhere in the neighborhood of 310 to 400 thousand people participated in the People’s Climate March on Sunday, September 21, 2014 in New York City. The parade was, of course, a precursor for the U.N. Climate Summit 2014, which begins tomorrow.
Yet the results of the U.N.’s Global Survey for a Better World, also known as MyWorld2015, show “Action taken on Climate Change” at the very bottom…the abyss…of things that matter most to families around the globe. See the screencap below. If you haven’t had your say, you can take the survey here.
Looks like the 310 to 400 thousand people who marched in Manhattan yesterday have priorities that are out of touch with the rest of the occupants of this lovely planet.
Considering the object of the U.N. meeting, maybe the marchers should have been calling for “honest and responsive government“, which ranked much higher than climate.
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I don’t see any of them wearing a gas mask to sequester their own CO2 emissions on that long march.
Just how serious are they?
Or maybe a mask cost more than 50 bucks?
Best comment I saw was over on BBC:
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While at the same time, on the left coast, ~400,000 people from all over the world gathered to celebrate sadomasochism at San Francisco’s Folsom Street Fair – an event that almost no media outside of San Francisco dares to cover. Kind of puts things in to perspective.
Seems they had the same gathering on both coasts then.
I guess they were beating each other on the head w/signs.
Environmentalists Defend Pedophilia Advocate
http://freebeacon.com/issues/environmentalists-defend-pedophilia-advocate/
Environmentalists quickly rushed to Scroggins’ defense.
“How can this be legal???” exclaimed Gasland director and anti-fracking activist Josh Fox. Anti-fracking group 350.org called the decision “surreal.”
“My new heroine is called Vera Scroggins,” one environmental activist declared. “Go Vera!” cheeredanother.
In addition to her work combatting fracking, an innovative oil and gas technique that experts say is an economic game-changer for the United States and could help ensure energy independence, Scroggins is also an advocate of incest and pedophilia.
Scroggins expressed her desire for parents to engage their children sexually at a young age in aseries of messages in 2001 posted to an online message board called Peacelist.
“Are there cultures that mothers or fathers pleasure their children and teenagers sexually or genitally and also possibly initiate them into sexual expression at some point?” she asked.
“I have had intuitive thoughts that such would be a healthy way for parents to interact with their children and introduce their children to sensual/sexual pleasure and bonding and loving practices.”
“Who better to do it, than the parents first?” she wrote.
It’s just a bunch of conformists.
http://news.yahoo.com/massive-york-march-aims-focus-worlds-eyes-climate-111853341.html says both:
Organizers estimated that some 310,000 people, including United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, former U.S. Vice President Al Gore, actor Leonardo DiCaprio and elected officials from the United States and abroad
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A New York Police Department spokeswoman said there had been no arrests reported as of 3 p.m. ET (1900 GMT) and declined to comment on the size of the crowd.
Organizers said another 270,000 people had participated in related events outside New York.
So, how about 310,000 – 270,000 = 40,000 in New York? Well, assuming “abroad” in NYC means “not in NYC”.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/nyregion/02crowd.html?_r=0 is mostly focuses on the NYC crowd for New Years Eve 2008. Snippets:
How many people rang in the new year at Times Square on Monday night? The simple answer is: One heck of a lot. The complicated answer is: Perhaps only the Police Department knows for sure, and it won’t tell you.
“We have stopped providing official counts” of large public gatherings “because no one was ever satisfied with them,” said Paul J. Browne, the department’s deputy commissioner for public information. “Whatever the count was, it was usually never enough for whatever group was involved.”
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Jeffrey A. Straus, the president of Countdown Entertainment, the company that organizes the ball drop in coordination with the Times Square Alliance, estimated that Monday night’s crowd totaled at least one million people.
“I’ve been doing this now for 13 years,” he said. “I’m in the TV truck with our cameras.
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Mr. Browne said that he did not know how long ago the department stopped releasing its crowd estimates for all sorts of events, from parades to protests, but that it was probably about a decade ago.
Paul Wertheimer, the president of Crowd Management Strategies, a Los Angeles-based consulting firm, said that many police agencies across the country became reluctant to reveal crowd-size estimates after the Million Man March in Washington in 1995, which was organized by the Nation of Islam. The National Park Service estimated that the march drew 400,000 people. A furor ensued when the organizers insisted the number was far larger. A year later, the park service said it would no longer make crowd estimates.
Pity, I didn’t realize the NYPD stopped making that information public. I was wondering why I hadn’t seen a reference to it.
Rick, please take a look at the drone video in
Steve P
September 22, 2014 at 3:37 pm
And give your WAG
I saw the drone video. I would say the WAG (whatever that is) is about 90K. 97% of them are “useful idiots”. The other 3% are probably just useless.
It appears that 350.ORG is pretty much a computer generated revenue stream for the people that run it.
I signed on to one of their on-line petitions (although I changed the language in the letter to reflect reality and requested that government recognize that coal is an efficient energy source that is fairly easy to transport … coal trains are a good thing, etc.).
I then signed the my name as COAL = JOBS. So “COAL = JOBS” went scrolling across their website with the names of the other useful idiots … it did for a long while … no one caught it or seemed to care.
A year later I (“COAL = JOBS”) still regularly received solicitations “directly” from what appears to be the organizational leaders (Bill Mckibben, Maeve, etc.), for cash and organization help for the cause.
Greedy scam … Useful idiots … Decisions based on emotion … Stubborn inability to admit to mistakes …. Similar to our current white house.
Wow. We had that many morons in one place..?
“Useful Idiots” is a good term to use for this crowd:
Term invented in Soviet Russia to describe people who blindly supported the likes of Lenin and Stalin while they committed atrocity after atrocity.
400,000 New Yorkers (high end estimate) attended the Global Warming Protest.
19,100,000 New Yorkers did not attend the Global Warming protest.
That means more than 97% of New Yorkers agree there is a consensus, the debate is over!
Drone video footage of People’s Climate March
FStv via DemocracyNow!
Unfortunately, it’s not really possible to see either beginning or end of the parade formations in this pop-up and turn 180° video. For that, a drone would have to fly over the entire length of the parade.
Crowd size estimates encouraged; Step Right up & Make Your Guess!
The copter took off at W 63rd and Central Park West.
Google Earth coordinates: 40°46’13.40″N 73°58’47.71″W
The building are a dead ringer .
W 63rd south to Columbus Circle (last view from copter) is 306 m.
I think the assembly goes as far back as W 86th St. (first direction of copter)
That is a cross-park avenue.
From the picture I posted yesterday, it was a couple blocks north of the Museum.
W 86th is 1868 m from W 63rd.
So total length, Central Park South / W 59th St to W 86 St would be 1868 + 306 = 2175 m.
I measure the parade width at 15 m.
call it 32000 m^2.
I think crowd density is between 1.5 and 2.5 people / m^2. Some places it is as high as 3.5, but other places it is 1 or less.
Assume 2 people / sq meter: 65,000 people in sight. Could be up to 80,000, or as low as 50,000.
Add to that, maybe there is 550 meters from Columbus Cir to 6th Ave. 8000 m^2. Another 16,000-20,000 people.
Get 2.5 people per m^2 and you have 100,000 people.
Lagniappe: consider people in queue on the side streets ( though there wasn’t a queue on 63rd from the copter) or under the trees.
Lagniappe: maybe they assembled on 6th Ave, too.
Lagniappe: others show up after the parade gets underway.
But it is hard to get anywhere near 300,000.
I make it an order of magnitude less. Stop the video at 0:47. There’s about 60 people on the pavement next to those two buildings. The crowd on the road are about ten deep, and also closer lengthwise. Call it 1,000 on that stretch of road. Multiply that up by the number of lengths of road. 20,000 ?
There is another constraint. The number of people that can pass an intersection in a unit time.
On the Sunday thread, there was a parade route web cam at 6th Ave and 58th St, so one short block from Central Park. I made the following observations:
But that was 2-3 pm. The march left at 11:30. How dense and rapid could it have been?
Take a 15 m street. Line up 20 soldiers across. space them about a meter apart. march them at a 110 cadence. I bet you could get three ranks in 2 seconds. That’s 30 people per second in a drilled march.
In a citizen parade, half that at best, probably a third. Call it 10-15 people per second paste any point in the early part of the parade. Tops. 3600 seconds per hour. 36,000-54,000 people per hour. Call it 2.5 hours from 11:30 to 2:00 when I started looking. 90,000-135,000 people maximum. After that, it is down to my observed 18,000 / hr.
Good article by Ron Bailey to complement the video from Reason TV mention above.
A Parade of Progressive Causes at the People’s Climate March http://reason.com/archives/2014/09/22/the-peoples-climate-march
RFK Jr issues a call for Klimatnacht – and so it begins. Der Klimatunmench are loose in the world and are making it clear to all who will see that science has never been an important driver in their cause. Hansen’s Death Trains take on a new meaning. How long before the RFK Jr goons in congress follow through and declare skeptics to be war criminals? I can’t believe he is the son of the man I supported and voted for in 1968.
this march is just more proof that the movie ‘idiocracy’ was not a comedy, but a documentary of the probable future.
If you look at the back of the sign of the guy leading the march it all makes sense.
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Two protestors did an actual count of the crowds and it was less than 130,000. The inflation of the numbers is due to a refusal to really count. No surprise here.
It wasn’t a direct count, it was a systematic sampling.
Nevertheless, their totals generally agree with my WAG, and estimates above by Messrs. Peterson and Rasey, that the People’s Climate March had about 100,000 participants.
And 100,000 is the number that the organizers were expecting.
Or not:
Organizers had estimated turnout of some 310,000 people ranging from environmentalists and political personalities to celebs and commoner, including UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon, former US Vice President Al Gore, actor Leonardo DiCaprio, elected US officials and several others who joined the People’s Climate March abroad.
–Wall Street OTC
I thought I’d seen 100, 000 as the estimated turnout, but this article claims a higher figure, which agrees with the
apparentlyobviously inflated post-parade claims of the organizers, which itself was subsequently boosted to 400,000.Jimmy Rogers did the systematic sampling. He explains:
(my formatting edits)
Last but not least, that linked-arm picture
http://www.wallstreetotc.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/climate-march.jpg
Wall Street OTC
That looks like Jane Goodall with a monkey and a cow. Don’t think I would care for monkey meat. I love her work regarding monkeys and other primates. But don’t touch my beef.
Two people showed up in Aspen to protest.
Plainly the emphasis in education should not be on events of “billions and billions” of years ago, and “millions and millions” of years ago, but on technology, the properties of matter, the behavior of energy, and on subjects such as agronomy and husbandry. What were these spoiled, miseducated children not told?
This:
Message to marchers: There is nothing wrong with heating water to generate steam. That simple activity is not killing the planet or destroying the atmosphere. You are not “saving the planet.”
Teach children about power generation, sewer lines, plumbing, and cattle. Teach them about agronomy. Do it yourself. No one else will. That is science.
Right now I would like to thank the more than 300,000 wonderful people in sewage treatment over the years who have done such amazing work for our society and homes. They never get appreciated, but if any of you are reading this, our family thanks you and values your hard work and applied engineering skills far more than 97% of the professors who are inverting our children’s minds like this, and these unthankful, gullible, and spoiled people.
25 years ago I ran a (very small) wastewater treatment plant. (I work with new rather than used water now.)
But, thank you for your thanks.
Somebody (supporters of the cause) actually counted them…..
Instapundit/PJMedia are picking up on this march with the headline: “Climate Movement Drops Mask, Admits Communist Agenda”
Lots of pictures of the usual protest industry. This is the best development since Climategate, and it pulls the progressive left right into the falling house of climate cards.
http://pjmedia.com/zombie/2014/09/23/climate-movement-drops-mask-admits-communist-agenda/?singlepage=true
In homage to the #gamergate journalism reform movement, within the $80 billion a year gaming industry, fighting Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) I hereby coin the associated term:
Climate Justice Warriors (CJWs), or #ClimateJusticeWarriors for Twitter.
Grauniad Disease spreads:
Saving the planet like ‘tackling a Martian invasion’
http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201439/BritainPeoplesClim_News_620x310.jpg
British actress Emma Thompson and John Sauven from Greenpeace join an estimated 40,000 thousand people marching in London for climate change.
AP photo, The New Zealand Herald
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11329129