Ah ya gotta love the ABC of Australia, they’ll find a way to keep the meme alive no matter what, as reported in WUWT two days ago, they found this guy to give a “the warming is wot dun it” quote with their story about the record level of Antarctic sea ice:
CEO of the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems CRC, Tony Worby, said the warming atmosphere is leading to greater sea ice coverage by changing wind patterns.
“The extent of sea ice is driven by the winds around Antarctica, and we believe that they’re increasing in strength and part of that is around the depletion of ozone,” he said.
Warming doesn’t seem to be a problem when you look at the satellite data for the Antarctic continent, in fact, there is a slight cooling:
Source: Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) – Microwave Sounding Units (MSU)
ftp://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/graphics/tlt/plots/rss_ts_channel_tlt_southern%20polar_land_and_sea_v03_3.png
(UAH data added to original story) Source: University of Alabama, Huntsville
There is some warming along the Antarctic peninsula, but that seems to be related to wind and ocean patterns there, along with possible waste heat from the little warm pockets of humanity where the temperatures are measured. The Antarctic peninsula has the highest concentration of people on the continent, mainly because conditions are much less harsh there.
That doesn’t stop some people from trying to claim (Steig et al. 2009, using Mannian math) that the entire continent is warming though. Fortunately, there are climate skeptics that have done published science to decisively refute such claims:
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Where is the warming of the atmosphere? Is this a joke?
http://exp-studies.tor.ec.gc.ca/tmp/to-s-de-e-9880100663de20140914.gif
May god, listen to breeze coming off all that handwaving.
They “believe” the winds are increasing in speed. They don’t have any data to show, they don’t even come out the ‘model simulations show that’ crap. How much stronger? Dunno. Over what period of time? Err, dunno. In what directions? err….. They just “believe” . Um mighty wind spirit , he big strong. Heap big strong.
And what does “around” mean precisely? Are they trying to suggest, wind is causing ozone , ozone causing winds, ozone is geographically close to winds……
This is actually saying nothing at all that anyone can challenge or verify because it does not mean anything. It just like : winds blah, blah, ozone depletion blah erm , around. Yes.
Oddly I can’t find any mention of a Tony Worby on thier web site and the lastest annual report says the CEO is Tony Press.
Whoever Worby is he should stop waffling climate about which he can’t not construct a meaningful sentence, and stick to telling us how much profit his little business venture made last year, and how much public money it attracted.
They need to update their website. Worby took over in July:
http://www.acecrc.org.au/access/cms/news/?id=166&full=true
When the Arctic warms in Spring do the winds get stronger or do they become less stormy with more calm days? But we are expected to believe that undetectable imaginary atmospheric warming will lead to stronger circum-Antarctic winds in the middle of winter as the attack of the ever naughty CO2 molecule which makes record sea ice just to further confuse the terminally desperate climate-doomer dummkopf brigade.
Any decent meteorology book will reveal the true historical situation re. Antarctic pack ice.
‘Climate Change’ by William James Burroughs (2001 ed., Cambridge University Press – see p55)) tells us that ‘the annual cycle has an amplitude of some fifteen million square kilometres, from a maximum extent of about eighteen million square kilometres to around three million kilometres in late summer. From year to year the extent of the ice cover can fluctuate by several million square kilometres.’
So why the fuss about the current area of twenty million square kilometres given fluctuations of the magnitude described?
But you gotta separate correlation and causation.
Maybe all of that Antarctic ice is causing global warming?
🙂
They have their fantasy view of the world an they’re gonna stick to it.
Exactly! They have perfected the technology of synthetic reality for themselves.
Idiot wind! 😉
Lol!
What everyone is missing is that it is the ANTI arctic. So, if warming causes loss of sea ice in the Arctic, then warming causes more ice in the ANTI arctic. Simple really.
Thank you for posting on this Andrew. When I first saw the report yesterday I didn’t know who I was more disgusted in, the excuse makers pretending to be researchers, or the fawning excuse purveyors pretending to be interviewers who encouraged and enabled it at tax payers expense. I settled on being slightly more disgusted with the ABC and not just because of the abysmal hack anti-journalism that was going on, but also at the disgraceful producer in the studio and the edit down and the airing those people gave it. It’s unfortunately just another miserable example of the dysfunctional anti-think and shabby ethics which they don’t even try to disguise any more.
Which is fine, the more blatant their behavior the sooner a large portion of the community are going to demand it be cut off from all public funding and be broken up for scrap.
Andrew?
Last year Worby said changes in ice caused changes in ocean currents. Maybe it’s a cyclical thing having nothing to do with temperature at all: Wind patterns control ice formation which controls ocean currents which control wind patterns that ….. rinse, repeat…
If the temperatures in the Antarctic keep rising we will need icebreakers in Bass Straight soon.
Visions of a Boxing Day’s Sydney to Hobart Iditarod with dingos instead of yachts.
OK, so we have record levels of ice, but it isn’t caused by warming temperatures.
And it isn’t caused by cooling temperatures.
And it isn’t caused by changes in the Ozone hole.
So what is causing the increase in ice?
I could imaging possibly changes in ocean currents. Or perhaps we should look up, at Mr. Sun?
So if the Antarctic ice expands, that’s due to global warming. And if the Arctic Ice depletes, that’s also due to Global Warming. Heads I win, tails you lose ??
I am reaching the point of skimming the content and savouring the desperation.
Just imagine, enough handwaving like this and the winds MIGHT reach hurricane force.
The flood gates are open but the cause cannot be saved, all those years of lies and public relations spin, selfhatred and fear, all busting to get loose.
Conceptually it will be like being down stream of a sewage retention dam after the dam breach.
Climatology, will it be a future art course or a lesson in pseudo-science?
John Daly’s direct comments to the Team members still stand,such pathetic little popinjays impersonating scientists.
Where is the population density map of antarctica?
Think penguins and then think of Australian population density along with Greenland, Iceland, Mongolia and Western Sahara and you’ll be just fine.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/geography/population_density_persons_per_sq_km_2012_1.html
Couldn’t it be argued even if this nonsense was true, that an expansion of the ice would mean an increase in albedo? In which case, things will begin cooling through natural processes. Why weren’t the models smart enough to predict this?
Seems to me that these guys have been shooting themselves in the foot for some time now.
John V. Wright September 15, 2014 at 8:31 am
How terribly embarrassing to have to admit that you are a “journalist” from ABC Australia…
****
Its the same of the BBC
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2755858/BBC-s-Nick-Robinson-denounced-nationalists-liar-battle-votes-referendum-gets-nastier.html
Maybe will will anti climate change protests ?
urederra
September 13, 2014 at 1:34 am
Exactly, It is not a hole, it is a concentration gradient. Calling it a hole gives the impression that there is no ozone in the blue spot seen in the video above. But that is not true, The ozone concentration in the blue zone it is not zero, it is just lower than in the green zone. Sadly, there is no info in the video about what the colors mean. It might be around 140 dobson units for the blue zone and 250 for the green, but I am just guessing.
I learned this from the ozone hole post from a couple of days ago.
There is no ozone “hole”
It’s an area of lower ozone levels.
“urederra
September 13, 2014 at 1:34 am
Exactly, It is not a hole, it is a concentration gradient. Calling it a hole gives the impression that there is no ozone in the blue spot seen in the video above. But that is not true, The ozone concentration in the blue zone it is not zero, it is just lower than in the green zone. Sadly, there is no info in the video about what the colors mean. It might be around 140 dobson units for the blue zone and 250 for the green, but I am just guessing.”
This bit was a quote.
Over TWICE the area of the Continental USA…and the “ice is disappearing”.
How can we deal with people who live in such a FANTASY LAND???
These liars will get found out eventually. It makes me so angry . how stupid do they think the general public are
Now all you norty skeptics know for sure that the polar bear was really threatened by global warming. It got too cold for them in Antarctica, so they all died out. There’s not a single one of them left there now. A tragedy.
Hang your heads in shame.
Pointman
“Mannian math”??
Better stated as MatheMannics.
“The extent of sea ice is driven by the winds around Antarctica, and we believe that they’re increasing in strength and part of that is around the depletion of ozone,” he said.
Didn’t they just finish telling us that ozone is recovering?
What mechanism does he think is causing the changing of molecules high in the atmosphere, in the ozone area, to affect sea-level winds? Does he think there’s an ozone butterfly batting its 2000-mile-wide wings?
I’m so sad that I live in a country where climate change/global warming is still debated in public as well as our nation’s governing body. It’s wholly pathetic. Droughts, floods, ever increasing super storms, wild fluctuations in weather, but no, no, one area got colder one year and suddenly the Earth is Cooling! Right. Unfortunately we have to pay for the mistakes and the denial of these frustratingly ignorant people. Yikes.
theboltonskydiaries,
This is more than just ‘one area got colder’:
http://sunshinehours.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/antarctic_sea_ice_extent_zoomed_2014_day_255_1981-2010.png?w=1024&h=682
That is an entire continent — and it deconstructs the endless predictions that polar ice would disappear [until it didn’t]. So now it’s morphed into ‘Arctic’ ice. But that’s not disappearing, either.
Finally, your Belief that “Droughts, floods, ever increasing super storms, wild fluctuations in weather…” are all increasing is also based on misinformation. In reality [there’s that pesky ‘reality’ again], extreme weather events have been decreasing for many years.
In fact, none of the scary climate alarmist predictions have happened. They were all wrong. So why would you keep believing what they tell you? They’re never right. Ever.
You claim extreme weather events are decreasing but you link to a plot of weather-related deaths. Surely you realize this is a reflection of weather forecasting improving greatly over the past 100 years. Do you have a link to a trend in extreme weather events?