By Larry Bell
Dr. Christian Schlüchter’s discovery of 4,000-year-old chunks of wood at the leading edge of a Swiss glacier was clearly not cheered by many members of the global warming doom-and-gloom science orthodoxy.
This finding indicated that the Alps were pretty nearly glacier-free at that time, disproving accepted theories that they only began retreating after the end of the little ice age in the mid-19th century. As he concluded, the region had once been much warmer than today, with “a wild landscape and wide flowing river.”
Dr. Schlüchter’s report might have been more conveniently dismissed by the entrenched global warming establishment were it not for his distinguished reputation as a giant in the field of geology and paleoclimatology who has authored/coauthored more than 250 papers and is a professor emeritus at the University of Bern in Switzerland.
Then he made himself even more unpopular thanks to a recent interview titled “Our Society is Fundamentally Dishonest” which appeared in the Swiss publication Der Bund where he criticized the U.N.-dominated institutional climate science hierarchy for extreme tunnel vision and political contamination.
Following the ancient forest evidence discovery Schlüchter became a target of scorn. As he observes in the interview, “I wasn’t supposed to find that chunk of wood because I didn’t belong to the close-knit circle of Holocene and climate researchers. My findings thus caught many experts off guard: Now an ‘amateur’ had found something that the [more recent time-focused] Holocene and climate experts should have found.”
Other evidence exists that there is really nothing new about dramatic glacier advances and retreats. In fact the Alps were nearly glacier-free again about 2,000 years ago. Schlüchter points out that “the forest line was much higher than it is today; there were hardly any glaciers. Nowhere in the detailed travel accounts from Roman times are glaciers mentioned.”
Schlüchter criticizes his critics for focusing on a time period which is “indeed too short.” His studies and analyses of a Rhone glacier area reveal that “the rock surface had [previously] been ice-free 5,800 of the last 10,000 years.”
More here: http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/warming-global-climate/2014/06/17/id/577481/#ixzz355f6L5y2
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On Pierre Gosselin’s “No Tricks Zone” we have this:
Distinct solar imprint on climate
What’s more worrisome, Schlüchter’s findings show that cold periods can strike very rapidly. Near the edge of Mont Miné Glacier his team found huge tree trunks and discovered that they all had died in just a single year. The scientists were stunned.
The year of death could be determined to be exactly 8195 years before present. The oxygen isotopes in the Greenland ice show there was a marked cooling around 8200.”
That finding, Schlüchter states, confirmed that the sun is the main driver in climate change.
Today’s “rapid” changes are nothing new
In the interview he casts doubt on the UN projection that the Alps will be almost glacier-free by 2100, reminding us that “the system is extremely dynamic and doesn’t function linearly” and that “extreme, sudden changes have clearly been seen in the past“. History’s record is unequivocal on this.
Schlüchter also doesn’t view today’s climate warming as anything unusual, and poses a number of unanswered questions:
Why did the glaciers retreat in the middle of the 19th century, although the large CO2 increase in the atmosphere came later? Why did the earth ‘tip’ in such a short time into a warming phase? Why did glaciers again advance in 1880s, 1920s and 1980s? […] Sooner or later climate science will have to answer the question why the retreat of the glacier at the end of the Little Ice Age around 1850 was so rapid.”
On science: “Our society is fundamentally dishonest”
CO2 fails to answer many open questions. Already we get the sense that hockey stick climate claims are turning out to be rather sorrowful and unimaginative wives’ tales. He summarizes on the refusal to acknowledge the reality of our past: “Our society in fundamentally dishonest“.
– See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/06/09/giant-of-geologyglaciology-christian-schluechter-refutes-co2-feature-interview-throws-climate-science-into-disarray/#sthash.z6pKzqtQ.dpuf
sturgishooper says:
August 8, 2014 at 12:50 pm
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“but we’re still in a warmer cycle”
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There are thousands of “cycles”……. PDO+AMO+Indian+sunspot+Milankovicth+tarot cards????
Ever hear of Occam’s razor ?
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 12:43 pm
MarkW says:
August 8, 2014 at 12:35 pm
“Notice how the troll left the last 3 years of data out of his cherry picked chart.”
This is better, …..
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2012/06/Figure3.png
Doesn’t change the trend line.
No, not really. 2012? You still left out 2 last years of data. The years when ice started to increase.
Er, uhm, ah … NO.
That is NOT a “prediction” of Arctic sea ice trends, that is a two-year old “plot” of what happened to Arctic sea ice.
See, a prediction is made “ahead of time” about the “future” of sea ice.
And, what Sereze (and hundreds of other co-religion propagandists) have predicted is a “Arctic feedback” where “loss of sea ice => increased heat absorbed in the open ocean + less solar energy reflected into space each day => more Arctic warming => more sea ice loss => more Arctic warming.”
And that is NOT what has happened when Arctic sea ice was lost in 2007, 2012, 2002, or any other year. Each year, after a new “sea ice low record” was set, more sea ice was found the next year.
sturgishooper says:
August 8, 2014 at 12:59 pm
“radionuclides in the soil around its margins.”
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GRACE has a wider geographical perspective.
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:04 pm
“You still left out 2 last years of data.”
Adding in the rise in 2013 doesn’t change the trend.
H Grouse says
“1) Thermal expansion
2) Melting ice.”
1) Thermal Expansion since before CO2 increases.
2) Melting ice Because of 1
Again CO2 theory as cause for either is done and you keep proving it yourself!
Keep posting and maybe you can actually convince yourself.
H Grouse:
Thankyou for your post at August 8, 2014 at 12:54 pm which confirms you don’t have a clue about atmospheric CO2 issues: it demonstrates your ability does not extend to you being able to accurately quote from a paper I cited.
Personally, I don’t think you are real because you are too stupid to be a real person. I think you are a team of employed trolls obtaining remuneration for each post you provide.
Richard
RACookPE1978 says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:04 pm
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“Er, uhm, ah … NO.”
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AGW predicts the melting of the Arctic ice cap.
The 30 year trend shows it’s happening.
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H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:04 pm
GRACE isn’t accurate and has had to be rejiggered. Please try to stay up.
The EAIS never gets above freezing.
You clearly have no clue as to what Occam’s Razor even means.
richardscourtney says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:07 pm
“because you are too stupid to be a real person.”
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Now, now Richard, you’d do much better if you’s lay off the ad-hominem type of arguments. It degrades your stature.
Grouse:
Enough with your ‘thermal expansion’ nonsense. There is clearly a lag time between absorbed energy and rising sea levels. See here. That link reports on the IPCC’s determination that sea levels will continue to rise due to lag times:
Thus, your false claim that there is no lag time is debunked — just like all your other nonsense.
Sea levels have not been rising any faster than they have since the LIA, and the great stadial befor the Holocene. Human emissions have nothing to do with sea levels. There is no “fingerprint of AGW” in the temperature record.
Finally, there is no warming of the deep ocean, per the ARGO buoy data.
Your belief system is based on emotion, so you cannot be convinced. But others can see reality: global warming has stopped.
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 12:59 pm
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 12:52 pm
I: haven’t got a clue.”
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I will give you two.
1) Thermal expansion
2) Melting ice.
OMG! I said you going to quote me out of context and you did! Good for you.
Let me spell it out, so you get it:
Since, as we already established, it doesn’t affect anything, I haven’t got a clue and I DONT CARE
Not my problem. Not how I make a living. Have no effect on anyone and anything whatsoever. You figure it out, and after you do, explain to someone who gives a c..p. Now, please go away. In a mean time, please, please stop telling me how to live my life? Leave me the #$#%#$ alone, will you?
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:08 pm
It shows no such thing.
The “Arctic ice cap”, by which I assume you mean Arctic sea ice, was reduced during the 1920s-40s, too, but built back up, just as is happening now after the warming of the late 20th century via natural ocean current oscillations, not the air.
During the Medieval WP, Arctic sea ice was less than now. Ditto the Roman and Minoan Warm Periods. During the Holocene, it practically disappeared for thousands of summers in a row. The satellite era just happened to coincide with the onsets of the warm phases of the PDO and AMO.
Bob Boder says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:07 pm
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“Again CO2 theory as cause ”
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I’m not arguing causes. I’m posting facts. Forget causes. So many people claim “no warming in 17 years” and all I am doing is pointing out a measured fact of reality that disproves the 17 year claim.
If sea levels are rising, then thermal expansion of sea water is happening.
H Grouse says
“AGW predicts the melting of the Arctic ice cap.
The 30 year trend shows it’s happening.”
And gone by the summer of 2013 but Oh no it still there and you no what its getting bigger! And you know what its still not getting warmer either.
Proving yourself wrong again! keep going i am starting to laugh now and that makes it worth it.
sturgishooper says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:11 pm
“During the Medieval WP, Arctic sea ice was less than now.”
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Wow, I didn’t realize that during the MWP that they had satellite measurements of Arctic sea ice. See? I learn new things every day !!!!
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:12 pm
There are other reasons for sea level rise besides thermal expansion. There are other reasons for thermal expansion besides warmer air temperature (which is not warming now anyway), such as undersea volcanism.
You have everything to learn.
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:04 pm
“You still left out 2 last years of data.”
Adding in the rise in 2013 doesn’t change the trend.
Forgive me if I don’t take your word for it, but why didn’t you add it then? And what about 2014? This graph ends in June 2012. We are in August 2014 – the data is there.
Bob Boder says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:13 pm
“And gone by the summer of 2013”
I don’t think I made that claim.
If I did, can you copy / paste my post where I did so?
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:14 pm
Hey, ignoramus, proxy data are better than satellites, which still have problems, despite efforts to fix them. Science knows as an observed fact that Arctic sea ice was less 1000 years ago than now, based upon proxy data of all kinds.
You know that the CAGW liars are in the hot seat when the trolls show up with their buckets full of rocks and claim it’s water.
This post jogged a memory for me. Here it is…From 2005
The Coming and Going of Glaciers: A New Alpine Melt Theory
By Hilmar Schmundt
The Alpine glaciers are shrinking, that much we know. But new research suggests that in the time of the Roman Empire, they were smaller than today. And 7,000 years ago they probably weren’t around at all. A group of climatologists have come up with a controversial new theory on how the Alps must have looked over the ages.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/the-coming-and-going-of-glaciers-a-new-alpine-melt-theory-a-357366.html
H Grouse says
“If sea levels are rising, then thermal expansion of sea water is happening.”
Again since before CO2 rise.
If, as you say, it is rising because of “thermal expansion” and it was before CO2 rise and is now with out atmospheric temperature rise then again it ain’t AGW causin the rising bub!
Keep proving yourself wrong, maybe you’ll understand what your trying to say, but no one else does.
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:15 pm
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“And what about 2014?:
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NSIDC shows that we’re at 2 standard deviations below average right now.
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Do you know what 2 standard deviations is a lot?
H Grouse:
Thankyou for your post at August 8, 2014 at 1:09 pm.
I take your post as being your confirmation that your inane stupidities are because you are a team employed and remunerated to troll.
Richard