By Larry Bell
Dr. Christian Schlüchter’s discovery of 4,000-year-old chunks of wood at the leading edge of a Swiss glacier was clearly not cheered by many members of the global warming doom-and-gloom science orthodoxy.
This finding indicated that the Alps were pretty nearly glacier-free at that time, disproving accepted theories that they only began retreating after the end of the little ice age in the mid-19th century. As he concluded, the region had once been much warmer than today, with “a wild landscape and wide flowing river.”
Dr. Schlüchter’s report might have been more conveniently dismissed by the entrenched global warming establishment were it not for his distinguished reputation as a giant in the field of geology and paleoclimatology who has authored/coauthored more than 250 papers and is a professor emeritus at the University of Bern in Switzerland.
Then he made himself even more unpopular thanks to a recent interview titled “Our Society is Fundamentally Dishonest” which appeared in the Swiss publication Der Bund where he criticized the U.N.-dominated institutional climate science hierarchy for extreme tunnel vision and political contamination.
Following the ancient forest evidence discovery Schlüchter became a target of scorn. As he observes in the interview, “I wasn’t supposed to find that chunk of wood because I didn’t belong to the close-knit circle of Holocene and climate researchers. My findings thus caught many experts off guard: Now an ‘amateur’ had found something that the [more recent time-focused] Holocene and climate experts should have found.”
Other evidence exists that there is really nothing new about dramatic glacier advances and retreats. In fact the Alps were nearly glacier-free again about 2,000 years ago. Schlüchter points out that “the forest line was much higher than it is today; there were hardly any glaciers. Nowhere in the detailed travel accounts from Roman times are glaciers mentioned.”
Schlüchter criticizes his critics for focusing on a time period which is “indeed too short.” His studies and analyses of a Rhone glacier area reveal that “the rock surface had [previously] been ice-free 5,800 of the last 10,000 years.”
More here: http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/warming-global-climate/2014/06/17/id/577481/#ixzz355f6L5y2
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On Pierre Gosselin’s “No Tricks Zone” we have this:
Distinct solar imprint on climate
What’s more worrisome, Schlüchter’s findings show that cold periods can strike very rapidly. Near the edge of Mont Miné Glacier his team found huge tree trunks and discovered that they all had died in just a single year. The scientists were stunned.
The year of death could be determined to be exactly 8195 years before present. The oxygen isotopes in the Greenland ice show there was a marked cooling around 8200.”
That finding, Schlüchter states, confirmed that the sun is the main driver in climate change.
Today’s “rapid” changes are nothing new
In the interview he casts doubt on the UN projection that the Alps will be almost glacier-free by 2100, reminding us that “the system is extremely dynamic and doesn’t function linearly” and that “extreme, sudden changes have clearly been seen in the past“. History’s record is unequivocal on this.
Schlüchter also doesn’t view today’s climate warming as anything unusual, and poses a number of unanswered questions:
Why did the glaciers retreat in the middle of the 19th century, although the large CO2 increase in the atmosphere came later? Why did the earth ‘tip’ in such a short time into a warming phase? Why did glaciers again advance in 1880s, 1920s and 1980s? […] Sooner or later climate science will have to answer the question why the retreat of the glacier at the end of the Little Ice Age around 1850 was so rapid.”
On science: “Our society is fundamentally dishonest”
CO2 fails to answer many open questions. Already we get the sense that hockey stick climate claims are turning out to be rather sorrowful and unimaginative wives’ tales. He summarizes on the refusal to acknowledge the reality of our past: “Our society in fundamentally dishonest“.
– See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/06/09/giant-of-geologyglaciology-christian-schluechter-refutes-co2-feature-interview-throws-climate-science-into-disarray/#sthash.z6pKzqtQ.dpuf
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:03 pm
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Occam’s razor requires one to accept the simplest answer, even if it is plainly wrong?
I never knew that.
Bob Boder says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:18 pm
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“Again since before CO2 rise.”
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For one minute drop any thought of CO2.
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Now….people are claiming that there has been no warming in 17 years and 10 months.
Sea level rise in the past 17 years and 10 months proves there is warming.
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WHATEVER the cause.
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:15 pm
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“And what about 2014?:
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NSIDC shows that we’re at 2 standard deviations below average right now.
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Do you know what 2 standard deviations is a lot?
Actually, NSIDC shows that we are within 2 standard deviations. Do you know what it means?
Grouse trolls:
AGW predicts the melting of the Arctic ice cap.
Wrong, as always.
AGW predictions were that polar ice would decline due to human CO2 emissions. When that prediction failed, the goal posts were moved to ‘Arctic’ ice.
Every alarmist prediction has failed. When one group’s predictions are 100.0% wrong, reasonable people will question their premise.
Quick, someone hand Grouse a shovel. His old one is wearing out.
H. Grouse:
You might wish to begin educating yourself before presuming to comment on Arctic sea ice extent, but then again, probably not, since your ignorance is apparently blissful to you:
http://www.c3headlines.com/2012/08/natures-medieval-warming-melts-arctic-northwest-passage-sea-ice-but-modern-warming-does-not.html
MarkW says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:19 pm
” even if it is plainly wrong?”
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Except that neither case has been shown it is “wrong”
Both explanations might be correct.
I follow Occam.
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:12 pm
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The FACT remains that temperatures aren’t rising, even the IPCC has finally admitted as much.
If thermal expansion were the only cause of ocean warming, you might have a point, even though even the IPCC says that it will take hundreds to thousands of years for the oceans to reach thermal equilibrium.
Face it, you have leeched onto a fact that you don’t even understand in order to avoid dealing the uncomfortable fact that the world isn’t warming.
Grouse trolls:
Sea level rise in the past 17 years and 10 months proves there is warming. WHATEVER the cause.
Wrong, as always. Sea level rise proves that there was past warming. See, there is a lag time — something that ‘Grouse’ cannot admit, because if he does his whole argument goes down in flames.
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:14 pm
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There you go, making yourself look stupid again.
Look up the concept of proxies, and weep for your lost self respect.
H Grouse and others:
NOAA mean sea level data, derived from their tidal gauges show no sea level rise this century- none. Exceptions are in locales that are subsiding such as Grande Isle, LA. and the Chesapeake Bay area.Note that this includes both Pacific and Atlantic gauges as well as the Gulf of Mexico.
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:16 pm
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Nobody said you made that claim.
The fact remains that the people who’s predictions you are claiming prove AGW, made that claim, and it turned out to be wrong.
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:19 pm
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Once more you beclown yourself.
No 2 std dev is not a lot.
sturgishooper says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:22 pm
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“wish to begin educating yoursel”
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Now, tell me…if the MWP was warmer than today, why are they not finding organic material at the melting edge of the Glacier National Park glaciers dated 1000 years ago? The dates are coming back at 3000 years.
H Grouse says;
“I don’t think I made that claim.
If I did, can you copy / paste my post where I did so?”
Well, make a claim now Bub, when will it be gone? Make a real prediction here if you dare, since you know what AGW theory predicts it should be easy for you just let everyone else in on the secret. I am a betting you’ll just move the goal post again and won’t make an actual prediction, Do you actually know anything!
i’ll make mine here and now. Not for at least the next 40 years! And not because of AGW ever or anything else unprecedented.
Your on the clock Bub!
MarkW:
At August 8, 2014 at 1:25 pm you write
I strongly suspect there is no self named H Grouse.
I think we are confronted by a troll team operating as H Grouse to present idiocy.
If my suspicion is anywhere near true then the absence of a ‘self’ means there could not have been “self respect” to be lost.
Richard
MarkW says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:28 pm
“No 2 std dev is not a lot.”
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2 sigma is 95%……
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I think 95% is “a lot”
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:22 pm
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The problem for you troll old boy, is that the far simpler explanation is that this decrease in arctic ice was caused by the same thing caused all previous decreases in ice. Which would be the well known and thoroughly documented cycles.
It is your CO2 that is the complex, because CO2 itself cannot cause the warming claimed for it. You have to use models which add in all kinds of unproven (and in some cases, disproven) positive feedbacks to get the scary numbers.
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:31 pm
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95% is the bare minimum for acceptable statistical analysis.
No, it’s not a lot.
But then, if you knew anything about statistics, you would have known that already.
richardscourtney says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:30 pm
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“I think we are confronted by a troll”
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Richard, if you cannot add to the discussion at hand, you should refrain from making inane comments.
funny that “shifting wind” theory …
See, there is NO “data” showing any wind speed shifts, wind speed changes, or wind direction changes above the sea ice that have affected the Antarctic sea ice every day between mid-2006 (when the Antarctic sea ice anomaly increased to a positive “excess” sea ice value, and continued its 22 year trend of INCREASING Antarctic sea ice AROUND the Antarctic continent.
Thus, for your “claim” to be true, you need to show measured values of Antarctic winds every day of the year blowing sea ice AWAY from the near-circular Antarctic continent OUT to a distance of 500 to 1000 kilometers AWAY from the continent.
Local winds? Even they have NOT been measured over the past 7 years as your “claim” requires.
Further, I want you to explain your claim of “increased (continental) antarctic ice loss” during a period when the actual measured Antarctic average air temperatures have been decreasing since 1980…. You are relying on GRACE satellite “data” which have NOT been “calibrated” against actual Antarctic (or Greenland) ice mass losses.
MarkW says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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“if you knew anything about statistics,”
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Then you must know Mark, that the current reading of Arctic ice extent is lower than 2 sigma of the average.
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That is significant….unless you think otherwise.
H Grouse
I am still waiting for your prediction? When does AGW theory say that arctic ice will be gone, oh great and all knowing master of theory?
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:37 pm
MarkW says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:33 pm
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“if you knew anything about statistics,”
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Then you must know Mark, that the current reading of Arctic ice extent is lower than 2 sigma of the average.
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That is significant….unless you think otherwise.
You are very, very confused person, H Grouse. The current reading of Arctic ice extent is whithin 2 sigma of average. Read them and weep:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2014/08/asina_N_stddev_timeseries.png
H Grouse:
Thankyou for your post at August 8, 2014 at 1:34 pm which confirms the obvious fact that you are a troll.
However, it remains to be determined if you are an individual or a team.
Importantly, you have yet to reveal if you are being employed to troll and if so by whom and at what rate(s) of pay.
The additional information would be appreciated.
Richard