By Larry Bell
Dr. Christian Schlüchter’s discovery of 4,000-year-old chunks of wood at the leading edge of a Swiss glacier was clearly not cheered by many members of the global warming doom-and-gloom science orthodoxy.
This finding indicated that the Alps were pretty nearly glacier-free at that time, disproving accepted theories that they only began retreating after the end of the little ice age in the mid-19th century. As he concluded, the region had once been much warmer than today, with “a wild landscape and wide flowing river.”
Dr. Schlüchter’s report might have been more conveniently dismissed by the entrenched global warming establishment were it not for his distinguished reputation as a giant in the field of geology and paleoclimatology who has authored/coauthored more than 250 papers and is a professor emeritus at the University of Bern in Switzerland.
Then he made himself even more unpopular thanks to a recent interview titled “Our Society is Fundamentally Dishonest” which appeared in the Swiss publication Der Bund where he criticized the U.N.-dominated institutional climate science hierarchy for extreme tunnel vision and political contamination.
Following the ancient forest evidence discovery Schlüchter became a target of scorn. As he observes in the interview, “I wasn’t supposed to find that chunk of wood because I didn’t belong to the close-knit circle of Holocene and climate researchers. My findings thus caught many experts off guard: Now an ‘amateur’ had found something that the [more recent time-focused] Holocene and climate experts should have found.”
Other evidence exists that there is really nothing new about dramatic glacier advances and retreats. In fact the Alps were nearly glacier-free again about 2,000 years ago. Schlüchter points out that “the forest line was much higher than it is today; there were hardly any glaciers. Nowhere in the detailed travel accounts from Roman times are glaciers mentioned.”
Schlüchter criticizes his critics for focusing on a time period which is “indeed too short.” His studies and analyses of a Rhone glacier area reveal that “the rock surface had [previously] been ice-free 5,800 of the last 10,000 years.”
More here: http://www.newsmax.com/LarryBell/warming-global-climate/2014/06/17/id/577481/#ixzz355f6L5y2
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On Pierre Gosselin’s “No Tricks Zone” we have this:
Distinct solar imprint on climate
What’s more worrisome, Schlüchter’s findings show that cold periods can strike very rapidly. Near the edge of Mont Miné Glacier his team found huge tree trunks and discovered that they all had died in just a single year. The scientists were stunned.
The year of death could be determined to be exactly 8195 years before present. The oxygen isotopes in the Greenland ice show there was a marked cooling around 8200.”
That finding, Schlüchter states, confirmed that the sun is the main driver in climate change.
Today’s “rapid” changes are nothing new
In the interview he casts doubt on the UN projection that the Alps will be almost glacier-free by 2100, reminding us that “the system is extremely dynamic and doesn’t function linearly” and that “extreme, sudden changes have clearly been seen in the past“. History’s record is unequivocal on this.
Schlüchter also doesn’t view today’s climate warming as anything unusual, and poses a number of unanswered questions:
Why did the glaciers retreat in the middle of the 19th century, although the large CO2 increase in the atmosphere came later? Why did the earth ‘tip’ in such a short time into a warming phase? Why did glaciers again advance in 1880s, 1920s and 1980s? […] Sooner or later climate science will have to answer the question why the retreat of the glacier at the end of the Little Ice Age around 1850 was so rapid.”
On science: “Our society is fundamentally dishonest”
CO2 fails to answer many open questions. Already we get the sense that hockey stick climate claims are turning out to be rather sorrowful and unimaginative wives’ tales. He summarizes on the refusal to acknowledge the reality of our past: “Our society in fundamentally dishonest“.
– See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/06/09/giant-of-geologyglaciology-christian-schluechter-refutes-co2-feature-interview-throws-climate-science-into-disarray/#sthash.z6pKzqtQ.dpuf
There is a direct relationship between the number of truths revealed by a thread’s topic and the number of troll comments trying to obscure those truths.
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:42 pm
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“extent is whithin 2 sigma ”
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Too close to call
Every year around the end of December I see lots of chubby white-haired men in warm red suits, with boots and gloves. This year, it was much colder than it’s been for some time, so obviously that’s the reason they were wearing gloves, because we all know people wear gloves when it gets cold. I know that they always used to wear gloves anyways, but this time it’s different, because it’s never been this cold before.
Bob Boder says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:39 pm
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“I am still waiting for your prediction”
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I don’t like to make predictions, and I will not.
philjourdan says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:48 pm
“really, try some history.”
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Really, please find some vegetation at the edge of the melting glaciers that carbon date back less than 3000 years. If you find some, then we’ll know the MWP and/or Roman warming was “warmer” than today”
@ur momisugly H Grouse says: August 8, 2014 at 1:51 pm
I have not looked. Nor do I care to. For unlike you, I at least know history. So I can calculate that 3000 years ago was the Minoan Warm Period and I would not make such a stupid statement that it could not have been warmer than today as you did.
Should I decide to embark on an expedition to a glacier, I will report my findings. Until then, making trolls like you look foolish is a much more productive use of my time.
H Grouse says
“I don’t like to make predictions, and I will not.”
But I was asking for your prediction based on AGW theory since you say it predicts this and it predicts that, i thought you were an expert, guess I was wrong. You don’t actually know what AGW theory predicts or doesn’t predict do you?
How about instead of posting a bunch of nonsense here you read some of the things that people post and ask simple straight forward questions and learn something. There are lot of really smart dedicated people posting here that know a lot. I have learned a lot here and you can too if you are so inclined to think for yourself.
OK Bub!
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:42 pm
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“extent is whithin 2 sigma ”
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Too close to call
It’s plainly visible on the picture I had posted. No if, buts and maybes. Here it is, again, just to make sure:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2014/08/asina_N_stddev_timeseries.png
The parrot is really dead.
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:02 pm
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” just to make sure:”
Still too close to call
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:02 pm
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” just to make sure:”
Still too close to call
You should get new glasses.
The parrot is dead. It is not sleeping or pretending. It really is dead.
Udar:
It is the troll’s brain which is dead, not the parrot.
It really would be good to know who is employing the troll to make their daft comments.
Richard
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Richard, if you cannot add to the discussion at hand
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By applying Occam’s razor, I have to conclude that you need to stop posting.
MarkW says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:33 pm
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:31 pm
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95% is the bare minimum for acceptable statistical analysis.
No, it’s not a lot.
But then, if you knew anything about statistics, you would have known that already.
What does 95% have to do with anything?
The probability of a being 2sd below the mean is ~2.2%
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:08 pm
“You should get new glasses.”
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Don’t need them, just use “CTRL++”
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:37 pm
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Actually, it’s less than 2 sigma, but then you already knew that.
Billy Liar:
Thanks for the excerpt–and for the link; I don’t have a copy of Strabo.
MarkW says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:14 pm
“I have to conclude that you need to stop posting.”
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I would love to hear your rendition of how Occam applies
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Please, post it
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:15 pm
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:08 pm
“You should get new glasses.”
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Don’t need them, just use “CTRL++”
Then you need new “CTRL++” key :/ Or computer. Or screen. Or, like Richard suggests, new brain.
Current extent is about 2/3 of the way in 2 sigma band. It’s not even close to the edge. In fact, it’s the largest extent in last 5 years. Which is why you excluded it from your graph.
Re: trolls on this sight. They’re ALWAYS so sure. So damn sure they KNOW what happens with our climate.
How does the adage go?
The knowledgeable person is fraught with doubt while the ignorant one is cock-sure.
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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“It’s not even close to the edge.”
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I downloaded and installed a “new brain”
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Still not even close.
Alan Robertson says:
August 8, 2014 at 1:44 pm
Good observation.
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:20 pm
“In fact, it’s the largest extent in last 5 years.”
Do you realize what the odds are of having five years in a row close to 2 sigma is?
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H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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“It’s not even close to the edge.”
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I downloaded and installed a “new brain”
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Still not even close.
http://youtu.be/yH97lImrr0Q?list=RDyH97lImrr0Q
RobRoy says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
August 8, 2014 at 2:21 pm
I guess I don’t understand the rules.
The only deniers are the communist [mother*ers] who are trying to take over the world one lie at a time!!!
[Cut the foul language. .mod]
H Grouse says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Udar says:
August 8, 2014 at 2:20 pm
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“It’s not even close to the edge.”
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I downloaded and installed a “new brain”
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Still not even close.
Sorry, the first one didn’t work
http://youtu.be/yH97lImrr0Q
H Grouse responding to:
and also
Funny that thing about statistics and standard deviations:
See, the Arctic sea ice is WITHIN 2 standard deviations of the established normal (less than 2 years AFTER a “record low” Arctic sea ice extents in 2012.) Therefore, Arctic sea ice is WITHIN “normal” for this year, and there is NO reason to suspect (or blame) ANYTHING other than “natural changes” for today’s sea ice extents.
Now, the Antarctic sea ice extents are GREATER THAN 2 standard deviations ABOVE the established normal for Antarctic sea ice extents.
Thus, Antarctic sea ice extents CANNOT be explained away by claiming “natural deviations” or “natural causes” …
Nor can this “excess” 2.05 million square kilometers of “extra” Antarctic sea ice be explained away by “wind” since there are NO “wind records” existing that are sufficient to move the “normal” Antarctic sea ice 500 – 1000 kilometers ADDITIONAL distance away from the Antarctic coast through ALL seasons of EVERY year since 1996 …