The law of unintended consequences in action: Imagine replacing all CO2 emissions with H2O emissions

electrolysis catalyst
Image: Tewodros Asefa A new technology based on carbon nanotubes promises commercially viable hydrogen production from water.

This story, while technically correct, made me chuckle, especially in light of a tweet today by Mashable warmist Andrew Freidman, who was complaining about heat and humidity in NYC. Just think about what it would be like if all those taxis and private vehicles were emitting H2O (as water vapor). – more below.

Rutgers Chemists Develop Technology to Produce Clean-Burning Hydrogen Fuel

New catalyst based on carbon nanotubes may rival cost-prohibitive platinum for reactions that split water into hydrogen and oxygen

NEW BRUNSWICK – Rutgers researchers have developed a technology that could overcome a major cost barrier to make clean-burning hydrogen fuel – a fuel that could replace expensive and environmentally harmful fossil fuels.

The new technology is a novel catalyst that performs almost as well as cost-prohibitive platinum for so-called electrolysis reactions, which use electric currents to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The Rutgers technology is also far more efficient than less-expensive catalysts investigated to-date.

“Hydrogen has long been expected to play a vital role in our future energy landscapes by mitigating, if not completely eliminating, our reliance on fossil fuels,” said Tewodros (Teddy) Asefa, associate professor of chemistry and chemical biology in the School of Arts and Sciences. “We have developed a sustainable chemical catalyst that, we hope with the right industry partner, can bring this vision to life.”

Asefa is also an associate professor of chemical and biochemical engineering in the School of Engineering.

He and his colleagues based their new catalyst on carbon nanotubes – one-atom-thick sheets of carbon rolled into tubes 10,000 times thinner than a human hair.

Finding ways to make electrolysis reactions commercially viable is important because processes that make hydrogen today start with methane – itself a fossil fuel. The need to consume fossil fuel therefore negates current claims that hydrogen is a “green” fuel.

Electrolysis, however, could produce hydrogen using electricity generated by renewable sources, such as solar, wind and hydro energy, or by carbon-neutral sources, such as nuclear energy. And even if fossil fuels were used for electrolysis, the higher efficiency and better emissions controls of large power plants could give hydrogen fuel cells an advantage over less efficient and more polluting gasoline and diesel engines in millions of vehicles and other applications.

In a recent scientific paper published in Angewandte Chemie International Edition, Asefa and his colleagues reported that their technology, called “noble metal-free nitrogen-rich carbon nanotubes,” efficiently catalyze the hydrogen evolution reaction with activities close to that of platinum. They also function well in acidic, neutral or basic conditions, allowing them to be coupled with the best available oxygen-evolving catalysts that also play crucial roles in the water-splitting reaction.

The researchers have filed for a patent on the catalyst, which is available for licensing or research collaborations through the Rutgers Office of Technology Commercialization. The National Science Foundation funded the research.

Asefa, an expert in inorganic and materials chemistry, joined the Rutgers faculty in 2009 after four years as an assistant professor at Syracuse University. Originally from Ethiopia, he is a resident of Montgomery Township, N.J. In addition to catalysis and nanocatalysis, his research interests include novel inorganic nanomaterials and nanomaterials for biological, medical biosensing and solar cell applications.

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The process described above is certainly better and less energy intensive than steam methane reforming (STR) which produces over 100 million tons of hydrogen worldwide every year.

I wrote a paper in college on the topic of replacing gasoline with hydrogen – it seemed a sensible idea then. Now, not so much.

For those that don’t know or don’t recall, the chemical reaction for combusting hydrogen is:

combusting_h2

The result of the reaction is water and heat released from combustion, the H2O, unless condensed and trapped, will exit as water vapor into the atmosphere.

When ranked by their direct contribution to the greenhouse effect, the most important greenhouse gas compounds are:

Compound Formula Contribution

(%)

Water vapor and clouds H

2O

36 – 72%
Carbon dioxide CO

2

9 – 26%
Methane CH

4

4–9%
Ozone O

3

3–7%
Source: Kiehl, J.T.; Kevin E. Trenberth (1997). “Earth’s annual global mean energy budget” (PDF). Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society 78 (2): 197–208.  doi:10.1175/1520-0477(1997)078<0197:EAGMEB>2.0.CO;2

The contribution of water vapor ranges far higher than that of CO2.

Imagine in a hyrdogen powered economy, millions of vehicles emitting water vapor from tailpipes instead of CO2.

H2-exhaust

The panic over temperature from water vapor emissions, which can be double to triple the heat trapping capacity of Carbon Dioxide, would be quite something to watch.

On the plus side trapping H2O is a lot easier than trapping CO2, though in automobiles, would require carrying around all that waste water of combustion, and dumping it when you fuel up, something I have yet to see dealt with in the various Hydrogen powered combustion engines I’ve looked at. Fuel cell systems do better, since they don’t produce much in the way of water vapor, but water is dumped onto the road just the same, where it will evaporate.

Note that this fueling station recently in the news has no provision for waste-water capture:

Linde starts production line for fuel-cell car filling stations

(Reuters) – German industrial gases maker Linde opened what it said was the world’s first production line for hydrogen fueling stations on Monday, in a bid to boost support networks for eco-friendly cars.

Fuel-cell cars, which compete with electric and hybrid vehicles in a race to capture environmentally conscious drivers, use a stack of cells that combine hydrogen with oxygen in the air to generate electricity.

Their only emissions are water vapour and heat, but the technology has been held back by high costs and lack of infrastructure. Fuel-cell cars will go on sale starting at $70,000, and filling stations cost over $1 million to build.

On the back of commercial launch announcements by Toyota and Hyundai and demand in Japan, Linde started up a production facility with an initial annual capacity of 50 stations a year. Until now, it has built them one by one.

The company announced an order for 28 stations from Japanese gas trading company Iwatani, which put the first of its Linde stations into operation near Osaka on Monday, the first commercial hydrogen fueling station in Japan.

We live in interesting times.

From Wikipedia, the criticism of hydrogen powered cars is broad:

In 2008, Wired News reported that “experts say it will be 40 years or more before hydrogen has any meaningful impact on gasoline consumption or global warming, and we can’t afford to wait that long. In the meantime, fuel cells are diverting resources from more immediate solutions.”[82] The Economist magazine, in 2008, quoted Robert Zubrin, the author of Energy Victory, as saying: “Hydrogen is ‘just about the worst possible vehicle fuel'”.[83] The magazine noted that most hydrogen is produced through steam reformation, which creates at least as much emission of carbon per mile as some of today’s gasoline cars. On the other hand, if the hydrogen could be produced using renewable energy, “it would surely be easier simply to use this energy to charge the batteries of all-electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles.”[83] The Los Angeles Times wrote in 2009, “Any way you look at it, hydrogen is a lousy way to move cars.”[84] The Washington Post asked in November 2009, “[W]hy would you want to store energy in the form of hydrogen and then use that hydrogen to produce electricity for a motor, when electrical energy is already waiting to be sucked out of sockets all over America and stored in auto batteries…?”[85]

The Motley Fool stated in 2013 that “there are still cost-prohibitive obstacles [for hydrogen cars] relating to transportation, storage, and, most importantly, production.”[86] The New York Times noted that there are only 10 publicly accessible hydrogen filling stations in the U.S.[59] Volkswagen’s Rudolf Krebs said in 2013 that “no matter how excellent you make the cars themselves, the laws of physics hinder their overall efficiency. The most efficient way to convert energy to mobility is electricity.” He elaborated: “Hydrogen mobility only makes sense if you use green energy”, but … you need to convert it first into hydrogen “with low efficiencies” where “you lose about 40 percent of the initial energy”. You then must compress the hydrogen and store it under high pressure in tanks, which uses more energy. “And then you have to convert the hydrogen back to electricity in a fuel cell with another efficiency loss”. Krebs continued: “in the end, from your original 100 percent of electric energy, you end up with 30 to 40 percent.”[87] Cox wrote in 2014 that producing hydrogen “is significantly more carbon intensive per unit of energy than coal. Mistaking fossil hydrogen from the hydraulic fracturing of shales for an environmentally sustainable energy pathway threatens to encourage energy policies that will dilute and potentially derail global efforts to head-off climate change due to the risk of diverting investment and focus from vehicle technologies that are economically compatible with renewable energy.”[6]

The Business Insider commented:

Pure hydrogen can be industrially derived, but it takes energy. If that energy does not come from renewable sources, then fuel-cell cars are not as clean as they seem. … Another challenge is the lack of infrastructure. Gas stations need to invest in the ability to refuel hydrogen tanks before FCEVs become practical, and it’s unlikely many will do that while there are so few customers on the road today. … Compounding the lack of infrastructure is the high cost of the technology. Fuel cells are “still very, very expensive”.

UPDATE: another unintended consequence I had not considered – leakage. Keeping Hydrogen gas from leaking is quite a problem due to the molecular size being the smallest. This comment sums it up:

Les Johnson says:

well, using H2 would solve the global warming issue, just not the way intended.

Replacing all auto fuel, and assuming a 10% leakage at surface, H2 will cause global COOLING, by tripling stratospheric moisture, plus destroy the ozone by hydroxyls chemistry…

This is disputed by Warwick 2004, but I find a 1% loss rate of hydrogen to be extremely low. We have 10% to 20% loss rates, per day, of liquid N2. And liquid H2 has a much lower temperature.

This has references to both papers, page 3.

http://www.atmos-chem-phys-discuss.net/12/19371/2012/acpd-12-19371-2012-print.pdf

http://pr.caltech.edu/media/Press_Releases/PR12405.html

he adds later in a second comment:

This is the Tromp et al 2006 paper that shows that hydrogen leakage woul dbe very detrimental.

http://scholar.google.ca/citations?view_op=view_citation&hl=en&user=ri8A4awAAAAJ&citation_for_view=ri8A4awAAAAJ:pqnbT2bcN3wC

Abstract:

The widespread use of hydrogen fuel cells could have hitherto unknown

environmental impacts due to unintended emissions of molecular hydrogen, including an

increase in the abundance of water vapor in the stratosphere (plausibly by as much as∼ 1

part per million by volume). This would cause stratospheric cooling, enhancement of the

heterogeneous chemistry that destroys ozone, an increase in noctilucent clouds, and

changes in tropospheric chemistry and atmosphere-biosphere interactions.

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Ian L. McQueen
July 15, 2014 1:28 pm

The original article says: “10,000 times thinner than a human hair”. Sorry, but this is impossible. If anything becomes ONE time thinner it disappears. One just can’t compare diminutives of 1 or more. (Yes, I know that one see this all the time, but that does not make it any more correct than the supposed “consensus” about CO2 affecting climate.)
The only correct way to express the idea is “one ten-thousandth the thickness of a human hair”
Pedantically yours.
Ian M

Mike
July 15, 2014 2:00 pm

While many people here seem to be saying it can’t be done but the Japanese are just getting on with it. If the US auto industry continues to stick its collective head in the sand then they will continue to be paying to use Japanese patents just as they are now doing for hybrid drive technology.
http://www.toyota.com/fuelcell/
http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/
This car comes complete with a home refuelling station that can be powered from solar power and has a driving range of 240 miles on a tank. In densely populated areas in Japan it easy to set up an entire refuelling network and takes just a little bit longer than a normal car to top up with high pressure H2 gas.
All of the technical challenges outlined above have been solved and the development of new non-noble catalysts removes the only real objection to this technology coming to the forefront – the relative scarcity of platinum.
Hydrogen is far less explosive than gasoline and rapidly disperses when released from storage meaning that any danger also rapidly disperses – unlike petrol that flows down to the lowest point and remains dangerous until physically removed etc.

Mark
July 15, 2014 3:27 pm

agfosterjr says:
I believe most power plants use steam turbines, most of which vent much more H20 to the air than that produced by fuel combustion
The steam used to drive the turbines is typically in a closed loop, you really wouldn’t want it otherwise in a BWR 🙂
The steam released would come from cooling towers. Though if there is a large lake, river or sea nearby you can use that for condensers without needing the cooling water to phase change.

July 15, 2014 9:28 pm

On the Savannah River, here:
http://www.southerncompany.com/what-doing/energy-innovation/nuclear-energy/photos.cshtml
The Southern Company and Georgia Power are building two NEW nuclear waste generating MONSTERS right next to the two nuclear waste generators that are already there at Plant Vogtle. The Savannah River, what’s left of it after it helps bleed off the nuclear waste from the Savannah River Plant Bomb Factory, cannot supply enough water to cool the two reactors there, now, much less the two new monsters, the largest nuclear reactors in America, the AP1000, so they are forced to erect cooling towers like at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania, which also is a low-flow river. Of course, the difference is Vogtle is in the heart of hurricane country on the SC border 100 miles upwind from Charleston, my home.
One of the interesting statistics bragged about in the new reactor’s propaganda is the fact that the water LOST by evaporation in the FOUR cooling towers, once Vogtle’s 4 reactors are online EXCEEDS all the fresh water used by all the residential customers of Atlanta, Augusta and Savannah, GA, COMBINED!
What effect does tons of water vapor pouring out of nuclear cooling towers have on climate? Sometimes you can see the nuclear-created thunderstorms trailing off in the prevailing winds when conditions are ripe….

July 15, 2014 9:39 pm

In case you haven’t had a ride in the water-powered pickup truck these boys created with their homebrew hydrogen generator that requires NO FUEL COMPANY, have a look and a ride to see how well it works:

It works!

July 15, 2014 9:51 pm

Water will rain out and take CO2 with it particularly at lower temperatures. Everyone forgets how much CO2 loves to swim. Everyone thinks of clouds as water vapor. Actually they are WATER (except the higher ones which are ice) so CO2 will dive into clouds with all the zeal it dives into cold surface water. A very small percentage will form carbonic acid and acid rain but most of it will be molecular CO2 just swimming as best it can in the tiny bathtubs and waxing ecstatic when the clouds congeal into drops of rain.

July 16, 2014 12:54 am

Mike:
At July 15, 2014 at 2:00 pm you begin your post saying

While many people here seem to be saying it can’t be done but the Japanese are just getting on with it.

No. Nobody is saying “it can’t be done” but many are saying it is a stupid thing to do.
It is expensive, wasteful, dangerous, and its purpose is to avoid climate damage but it has potential to cause more damage to climate than it is intended to avoid.
When somebody warns you against jumping off a cliff they are not saying it is not possible to jump off a cliff.
Richard

Joe G
July 16, 2014 7:14 am

Water vapour is a pollutant! And if you want real sea level rise this fuel (H) is the way to go!

Gail Combs
July 16, 2014 10:52 am

Larry Butler says: July 15, 2014 at 9:28 pm
….What effect does tons of water vapor pouring out of nuclear cooling towers have on climate? Sometimes you can see the nuclear-created thunderstorms trailing off in the prevailing winds when conditions are ripe….
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NONE!
I can see a nuclear power plant out my window and we have been praying for rain for the last week. If anything we seem to have LESS rain compared to the surrounding area.
BTW You have no idea how happy I am to see that S.C. is building nuclear power plants and Natural Gas plants instead of the bird frying solar farms and bat-chomping, bird-slicing eco crucifixes (wind farms) that the econuts running NC are intent on building.
(We really should have picked S.C. instead of N.C. when we decided to move 20 years ago.)

Reply to  Gail Combs
July 16, 2014 12:01 pm

Just one week? We finally got some yesterday – first measurable rain in the past month. And we are down wind of North Anna. 😉

July 16, 2014 1:43 pm

People are talking about storing hydrogen as as gas or as a liquid and pointing out the problems with both of those methods. In all the serious talk / articles about using hydrogen as a fuel, people have always used metal hydrides as the storage mechanism.

Katatetorihanzo
July 18, 2014 9:36 am

“The panic over temperature from water vapor emissions, which can be double to triple the heat trapping capacity of Carbon Dioxide, would be quite something to watch.”
This ‘panic’ or ‘unintended consequence’ is based on a faulty premise that water vapor and carbon dioxide have the same physical properties except for relative magnitude of their greenhouse gas potential. The GHG impact of Carbon dioxide, a gas at all temperatures associated with Earth’s climate, is related to its absorbance in the IR and its concentration in the atmosphere. The mechanisms that modify its concentration are slow and related to input flux sources (respiration, human industry) and removal flux sinks (dissolution into oceans, carbon fixation, photosynthesis). In contrast, the concentration of water vapor in the atmosphere is governed by temperature which modifies its concentration by fast processes such as evaporation and precipitation (as rain or snow). In other words, one can continually pump CO2 into the atmosphere increasing its concentration and GHG effect. But the most water vapor you can get into the atmosphere at any particular temperature is governed by the specific humidity. Water vapor is always feedback. CO2 can be feedback and forcing.

Dave
July 19, 2014 3:31 pm

When you burn Gasoline you produce CO2 and H2O and a few other things in minute quantities.
Did you ever wonder why some peoples mufflers rust out often and others don’t?
The exhaust system of a gasoline/diesel/CNG/etc powered automobile acts as a huge still. When you first start up your car the H2O vapor hits the cold sheet metal and condenses into water. If you only drive a mile or two the water collects in your muffler and rusts it out from the inside. If you drive 10 or more miles the entire exhaust system gets hot enough to remove the moisture by boiling it off.
That is also why catalytic converters usually last 10 times longer than mufflers. Cats produce 1000 degree heat in their processes which insures they never get cool enough to collect liquid water.
Anyway, hydrogen as a fuel may leave off the CO2 part but both hydrogen and HYDROCARBONS produce water vapor.

stas peterson
July 19, 2014 11:40 pm

Fusion is coming. It will come sooner than many realize.
Probably sooner than you can design and license Thorium liquid salt reactors. If 14 Mev Fusion neutrons are tough to handle, as some complain, then don’t produce neutrons in your next thermonuclear reactor.
The only reason Dueterium and Tritium were chosen to use in the first Fusion reactors, is it the easiest Fusion reaction conditions to create. But the conditions to burn other reactions, once you can create the conditions for Fusion, as we now know how to do, are not too difficult to extend to do.
We produce controlled Fusion power around the world in small reactors now. It just takes more input than you get output. Just like Windmills and Solar, that the Green Know-Nothings are so fond of touting.
The ITER reactor will make Fusion routine, and provide a gain of output over input of 10:1. That ITER reactor is building in France now, and more than half done. It is funded and developed by an international consortium of governments that took over a decade to organize. It had to be done that way to get the money to do it. Imagine government red tape. Then imagine six governments worth of bureaucratic red tape. That’s ITER, but even so, it is more than half finished and the Cadarache complex of some 50 buildings and facilities is rising in southern France.
The next one after ITER, will be adding power to the Grid. The Scientists and Engineers want to start detailed design for the next one, the DEMO power plant, in only 18 months. Because it will earn money with its generated power, it won’t have to go begging for funds, like the ITER, the last experiment on the way to commercial Grid power had to do.
There is plenty of fossil fuels for the World to use before we get there; and then clean electricity, in as large a quantity needed will be available essentially forever, including the power to make our own fossil fuels if desired. The World will change.

July 20, 2014 8:04 am

Well, Stas Peterson, while your opening line is undoubted true, since fusion will come, and some don’t believe it will come for many centuries, but your assertions regarding fusion are nonsense in all regards.
I suppose you realize ITER started in the mid-80s. I worked on ITER projects in the Pacific Northwest National Labs in the mid-90s. I assure you, ITER is a pipe dream. It will amount to very little. First, it was conceived as a 20-year project. 20 years was up almost a decade ago. Officially ITER is scheduled to begin D-T fusion in 2027. Given its track record so far, we better count on yet another decade before it reaches that milestone. Your assertion regarding 10:1. Absurd. Perhaps I misunderstand you. Please elaborate. Please provide references.
You suggest using fusion methods other than D-T and it’s resultant extreme-energy particles. Yet, ITER and DEMO and proposed follow-on are all D-T reactors. All will be structurally unsound within months of full-time operation, and the reactor structure in its entirety will be radioactive waste.
All you describe is mere sound and fury.
I appreciate the 18-month forecast. Let’s check back in early 2016 and see how that works out.
Evidence and documentation are readily available. I know whereof I speak. You can find it reported that the French Nobel laureate in physics Pierre-Gilles de Gennes said of nuclear fusion, “We say that we will put the sun into a box. The idea is pretty. The problem is, we don’t know how to make the box.”
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/risky-we-can-t-fail-all-or-nothing-science-1.733604
http://mappingignorance.org/2013/10/14/iter-engineering-challenges-of-putting-the-sun-into-a-box-part-1/
http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/magazine/physicstoday/news/10.1063/PT.5.1022
I elaborated a bit back in 2012:
http://gottadobetterthanthis.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/fusion-engery-generation-dont-count-on-it/
More recently, I commented regarding the time frame:
http://gottadobetterthanthis.wordpress.com/2014/04/28/not-so-fast/
There is a search box at the bottom of pages at my blog. Feel free to take me to task there.

Dave
July 20, 2014 8:15 pm

Tabletop fusion is possible with a Farnsworth Fusor. The problem is it just produces fast neutrons which are not useful in our current level of technology. If we could figure out how to time fusion with neutron decay so our fast neutrons turned into fast protons and electrons we might be able to do something fantastic.
Then there are all those untold numbers of neutrino’s that are zipping right through us day in and day out. If you developed a substance that could block neutrinos or even partially block neutrinos you could have endless power just by turning a neutrino driven turbine.
Fantasizing or daydreaming or whatever you want to call it may spark a thought in someone much smarter than I who will then come up with an Eureka moment.

Mervyn
July 22, 2014 8:43 pm

Come on… the eco bullies would simply convince the UN and governments that water is a “pollutant” and a water tax is necessary to reduce water levels on earth. And, of course, the delusional masses would fall for that one too!!!!

Brian H
July 25, 2014 4:18 am

Fundamentally goofy. Every catalyzed reaction requires an energy input. Fool Cells use electricity, but even if it were just ambient heat it must be provided in quantities exceeding the output (see thermodynamics and entropy). Not even wrong, just nuts.

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