Maunder and Dalton Sunspot Minima

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

In a recent interchange over at Joanne Nova’s always interesting blog, I’d said that the slow changes in the sun have little effect on temperature. Someone asked me, well, what about the cold temperatures during the Maunder and Dalton sunspot minima? And I thought … hey, what about them? I realized that like everyone else, up until now I’ve just accepted the idea of cold temperatures being a result of the solar minima as an article of faith … but I’d never actually looked at the data. And in any case, I thought, what temperature data would we have for the Maunder sunspot minimum, which lasted from 1645 to 1715? So … I went back to the original sources, which as always is a very interesting ride, and I learned a lot.

It turns out that this strong association of sunspot minima and temperature  is a fairly recent development. Modern interest in the Maunder sunspot minimum was sparked by John Eddy’s 1976 publication of a paper in Science entitled “The Maunder Minimum”. In that paper, Eddy briefly discusses the question of the relationship between the Maunder sunspot minimum and the global temperature, viz:

The coincidence of Maunder’s “prolonged solar minimum” with the coldest excursion of the “Little Ice Age” has been noted by many who have looked at the possible relations between the sun and terrestrial climate (73). A lasting tree-ring anomaly which spans the same period has been cited as evidence of a concurrent drought in the American Southwest (68, 74). There is also a nearly 1 : 1 agreement in sense and time between major excursions in world temperature (as best they are known) and the earlier excursions of the envelope of solar behavior in the record of 14C, particularly when a 14C lag time is allowed for: the Sporer Minimum of the 16th century is coincident with the other severe temperature dip of the Little Ice Age, and the Grand Maximum coincides with the “medieval Climatic Optimum” of the 11th through 13th centuries (75, 76). These coincidences suggest a possible relationship between the overall envelope of the curve of solar activity and terrestrial climate in which the 11-year solar cycle may be effectively filtered out or simply unrelated to the problem. The mechanism of this solar effect on climate may be the simple one of ponderous long-term changes of small amount in the total radiative output of the sun, or solar constant. These long-term drifts in solar radiation may modulate the envelope of the solar cycle through the solar dynamo to produce the observed long-term trends in solar activity. The continuity, or phase, of the 11-year cycle would be independent of this slow, radiative change, but the amplitude could be controlled by it. According to this interpretation, the cyclic coming and going of sunspots would have little effect on the output of solar radiation, or presumably on weather, but the long-term envelope of sunspot activity carries the indelible signature of slow changes in solar radiation which surely affect our climate (77). [see paper for references]

Now, I have to confess, that all struck me as very weak, with more “suggest” and “maybe” and “could” than I prefer in my science. So I thought I’d look to see where he was getting the temperature data to support his claims. It turns out that he was basing his opinion of the temperature during the Maunder minimum on a climate index from H. H. Lamb, viz:

The Little Ice Age lasted roughly from 1430 to 1850 … if we take H. H. Lamb’s index of Paris London Winter Severity as a global indicator.

After some searching, I found the noted climatologist H. H. Lamb’s England winter severity index in his 1965 paper The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel. He doesn’t give the values for his index, but I digitized his graph. Here are Lamb’s results, showing the winter severity in England. Lower values mean more severe winters.

So let me pose you a small puzzle. Knowing that Eddy is basing his claims about a cold Maunder minimum on Lamb’s winter severity index … where in Lamb’s winter severity index would you say that we would find the Maunder and Dalton minima? …

lamb england winter index wo datesFigure 1. H.H. Lamb’s index of winter severity in England.

As you can see, there is a reasonable variety in the severity of the winters in England. However, it is not immediately apparent just where in there we might find the Maunder and Dalton minima, although there are several clear possibilities. So to move the discussion along, let me reveal where they are:

lamb england winter index wrong datesFigure 2. As in Figure 1, but with the dates of the Maunder and Dalton minima added.

As we might expect, the Maunder minimum is the coldest part of the record. The Dalton minimum is also cold, but not as cold as the Maunder minimum, again as we’d expect. Both of them have warmer periods both before and after the minima, illustrating the effect of the sun on the … on the … hang on … hmmm, that doesn’t look right … let me check my figures …

… uh-oh

Well, imagine that. I forgot to divide by the square root of minus one, so I got the dates kinda mixed up, and I put both the Maunder and the Dalton 220 years early … here are the actual dates of the solar minima shown in Lamb’s winter severity index.

lamb england winter index w datesFigure 3. H.H. Lamb’s England winter severity index, 1100-1950, overlaid with the actual dates of the four solar minima ascribed to that period. Values are decadal averages 1100-1110,1110-1120, etc., and are centered on the decade.

As you can see …

• The cooling during the Wolf minimum is indistinguishable from the two immediately previous episodes of cooling, none of which get much below the overall average.

• The temperature during the Sporer minimum is warmer than the temperature before and after the minimum.

• The coldest and second coldest decades in the record were not associated with solar minima.

• The fastest cooling in the record, from the 1425 decade to the 1435 decade, also was not associated with a solar minimum.

• Contrary to what we’d expect, the Maunder minimum warmed from start to finish.

• The Dalton minimum is unremarkable in any manner other than being warmer than the decade before the start and the decade after the end of the minimum. Oh, and like the Maunder, it also warmed steadily over the period of the minimum.

Urk … that’s what Eddy based his claims on. Not impressed.

Let me digress with a bit of history. I began this solar expedition over a decade ago thinking, along with many others, that as they say, “It’s the sun, stupid!”. I, and many other people, took it as an unquestioned and unexamined “fact” that the small variations of the sun, both the 11-year cycles and the solar minima, had a discernible effect on the temperature. As a result, I spent endless hours investigating things like the barycentric movement of the sun. I went so far as to write a spreadsheet to calculate the barycentric movement for any period of history, and compared those results to the temperatures.

But the more I looked, the less I found. So I started looking at the various papers claiming that the 11-year cycle was visible in various climate datasets … still nothing. To date, I’ve written up and posted the results of my search for the 11-year cycle in global sea levels, the Central England Temperature record, sea surface temperatures, tropospheric temperatures, global surface temperatures, rainfall amounts, the Armagh Observatory temperatures, the Armagh Observatory daily temperature ranges, river flows, individual tidal stations, solar wind, the 10Beryllium ice core data, and some others I’ve forgotten … nothing.

Not one of them shows any significant 11-year cycle.

And now, for the first time I’m looking at temperature effects of the solar minima … and I’m in the same boat. The more I look, the less I find.

However, we do have some actual observational evidence for the time period of the most recent of the minima, the Dalton minimum, because the Berkeley Earth temperature record goes back to 1750. And while the record is fragmentary and based on a small number of stations, it’s the best we have, and it is likely quite good for comparison of nearby decades. In any case, here are those results:

berkeley earth land temperature plus daltonFigure 4. The Berkeley Earth land temperature anomaly data, along with the Dalton minimum.

Once again, the data absolutely doesn’t support the idea of the sun ruling the temperature. IF the sun indeed caused the variations during the Dalton minimum, it first made the temperature rise, then fall, then rise again to where it started … sorry, but that doesn’t look anything like what we’d expect. For example, if the low spot around 1815 is caused by low solar input, then why does the temperature start rising then, and rise steadily until the end of the Dalton minimum, while the solar input is not rising at all?

So once again, I can’t find evidence to support the theory. As a result, I will throw the question open to the adherents of the theory … what, in your estimation, is the one best piece of temperature evidence that shows that the solar minima cause cold spells?

Now, a few caveats. First, I want to enlist your knowledge and wisdom in the search, so please just give me your one best shot. I’m not interested in someone dumping the results of a google search for “Maunder” on my desk. I want to know what YOU think is the very best evidence that solar minima cause global cooling.

Next, don’t bother saying “the Little Ice Age is the best evidence”. Yes, the Maunder occurred during the Little Ice Age (LIA). But the Lamb index says that the temperature warmed from the start of the Maunder until the end. Neither the Maunder’s location, which was quite late in the LIA, nor the warming Lamb shows from the start to the end of the Maunder, support the idea that the sun caused the LIA cooling.

Next, please don’t fall into the trap of considering climate model results as data. The problem, as I have shown in a number of posts, is that the global temperature outputs of the modern crop of climate models are nothing but linear transforms of their inputs. And since the models include solar variations among their inputs, those solar variations will indeed appear in the model outputs. If you think that is evidence for solar forcing of temperature … well, this is not the thread for you. So no climate model results, please.

So … what do you think is the one very best piece of evidence that the solar minima actually do affect the temperature, the evidence that you’d stand behind and defend?

My regards to you all,

w.

[UPDATE] In the comments, someone said that the Central England Temperature record shows the cooling effects of the solar minima … I’m not finding it:

As you can see, there is very little support for the “solar minima cause cool temperatures” hypothesis in the CET. Just as in the Lamb winter severity data and the Berkeley Earth data, during both the Dalton and Maunder minima we see the temperature WARMING for the last part of the solar minimum. IF the cause is in fact a solar slump … then why would the earth warm up while the sun is still slumping? And in particular, in the CET the Dalton minimum ends up quite a bit warmer than it started … how on earth does this support the “solar slump” claim, that at the end of the Dalton minimum it’s warmer than at the start?

The Usual Request: I know this almost never happens, but if you disagree with something that I or someone else has said, please have the common courtesy to QUOTE THEIR EXACT WORDS that you disagree with. This prevents much confusion and misunderstanding.

Data: Eddy’s paper, The Maunder Minimum

Lamb’s paper, The Early Medieval Warm Epoch And Its Sequel

Berkeley Earth, land temperature anomalies

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milodonharlani
June 25, 2014 11:27 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
June 25, 2014 at 11:14 am
What’s the hang up on one & only one citation, when you’ve been shown so many which you ignored, while choosing to comment upon those which you felt you could attack on whatever grounds?
Why could you not yourself have picked one of the many shown you? I have never, ever wimped out on providing you citation after citation, but have grown tired of having the links others & I offer dismissed out of hand, without your even deigning to look at them, as with Meehl, or ignoring them, as with the Chilean tree ring studies, same as you do with other posters’ links.
Clearly, you not only can’t handle the truth, but don’t dare even look for it.

LT
June 25, 2014 11:32 am

lsvalgaard
“One could turn the problem around: why would there the solar minimum values vary when there is no activity?”
Two things,
A)
The longer term cycles (beyond the 11 year / Jupiter influence) regulate the amount of energy that is being output. The wobble of the SUN based on the position of all of the outer planets cause the various plasma currents to vary in speed and cause decadal variations in energy output, regardless if there are any sunspots present or not.
B)
Because there is evidence. The instrumental record shows trends in TSI changes with each minimum, particularly the ACRIM composite indicates that the minimums do vary, at least over the last three cycles. Of course PMOD removes the minimum variance, but there is still variance even in PMOD.
If your contention is true, that means that a sunspot count can almost be assigned a direct value for TSI, and I find that hard to believe, however I have no problem accepting that, if it turns out to be true. I mean, thank goodness for all of us SOL is a very stable star. Another decade of data, will be helpful resolving this issue, assuming the orbiting instruments hold together.
http://www.acrim.com/RESULTS/Earth%20Observatory/earth_obs_ACRIM_Composite.pdf
LT.

June 25, 2014 11:33 am

Greg You say
“Willis seems to be digging his heels in on the presence of not of a statistically significant 11y solar signal as definitive proof of whether there is a solar influence. I think that is a mistake. ”
You are exactly right .The 11 and 22 year year cycles are just froth on top of the longer term solar periodicities sometimes they turn up on particular time series sometimes they don’t.
For significant time periods see the data in the links in my 10:30 AM comment.

June 25, 2014 11:34 am

Dr Norman Page says:
June 25, 2014 at 10:30 am
On this basis just connect the minima of the HMF on page 11 at
http://www.leif.org/research/Heliospheric%20Magnetic%20Field%201835-2010.pdf
to see the recent solar grand maximum and the Dalton and Maunder Minima very nicely displayed.

Apart from the plot not showing HMF but TSI, the curve to look at is the upper red one [the other ones are faulty], which does not show any grand modern maximum. The Dalton and Maunder minima are just as every one of the 27 other minima.

george e. smith
June 25, 2014 11:39 am

“””””……Dr. Strangelove says:
June 24, 2014 at 7:23 pm
Osborn
“Typical of you to talk emissivity when Konrad talks Absorption, can’t you even read what he has said?”
You and Konrad are Dragon Slayers or simply ignorant of radiation physics. Study Kirchhoff’s law of thermal radiation: absorptivity = emissivity……”””””‘
Perhaps you too should study “Kirchoff’s Law”
That particular law ONLY applies to a system that is in thermal equilibrium with the radiation field at some single Temperature. And it also applies to each and every single wavelength. So the spectral absorptance must equal the spectral emittance at each and every wavelength or frequency.
Such conditions are seldom encountered. The radiation would necessarily have to be thermal radiation, with a spectrum that depends on Temperature.
Kirchoff’s Law is a crutch that is leaned on far too heavily.

June 25, 2014 11:40 am

LT says:
June 25, 2014 at 11:32 am
The longer term cycles (beyond the 11 year / Jupiter influence) regulate the amount of energy that is being output. The wobble of the SUN based on the position of all of the outer planets cause the various plasma currents to vary in speed and cause decadal variations in energy output, regardless if there are any sunspots present or not.
There is no evidence for that. The planetary theory doesn’t work.
Because there is evidence. The instrumental record shows trends in TSI changes with each minimum, particularly the ACRIM composite indicates that the minimums do vary, at least over the last three cycles.
ACRIM has severe calibration problems and should not be taken seriously.
If your contention is true, that means that a sunspot count can almost be assigned a direct value for TSI, and I find that hard to believe
The variation in TSI is solely due to the variation of the magnetic fields on the Sun, which closely follow the sunspot number.

Pamela Gray
June 25, 2014 11:41 am

Milo and Sturgis, if you look further into snow accumulation rates and the effect on sulfur measures in ice cores you will see that this issue has been identified, quantified, and taken into consideration related to the relative stratospheric thus climatic significance of Tambora and many other smaller and larger eruptions evidenced throughout the ice cores. For these stratospheric events, there are several lines of ice core evidence (Arctic cores, Antarctic cores, and glacial cores) as well as snow accumulation rate algorithms that help arrange events into place in terms of global affect. This data is then used as input in climate models. Your concern is under-reviewed by both of you.
http://climate.envsci.rutgers.edu/IVI2/

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
June 25, 2014 11:46 am

Dear Moderators,
Re this post from “Greg”, and this post, etc, can you please get him to standardize his handle? At least for his own sake, as those searching for his learned insightful postings would likely search for “Goodman” rather than the more common “Greg”.
Besides, it’s damn annoying how he willfully switches between “known” and “anonymous” and could get confused with another Greg, accidentally or otherwise.

June 25, 2014 11:46 am

Pamela Gray says:
June 25, 2014 at 9:55 am
It is disappointing, surprising, indeed shocking, to me that you keep repeating the same lies over and over again, when you have been shown over and over that they are false. Your own source, cited by Wikipedia, gave 40 km^3 for the presumed Samalas tephra deposition, as you’ve seen I don’t know how many times. That makes it a VEI 6, which fact has also time and again been pointed out to you. Yet you persist in claiming it was highly explosive.
A volcano can release a relatively large amount of sulfates without ejecting a lot of tephra, ie being explosive. And as I also demonstrated from your own source, Tambora’s apparent sulfate load isn’t directly comparable to Samalas’, due to markedly different accumulation rates.
It’s equally disappointing to read you descend into ad hominem. Forget about my qualifications or lack thereof. What counts is that the peer reviewed studies (not that peer review is a guarantee of quality) by experts which I have cited, and in fact the older one cited by you too, show you wrong on all points, as I’ve already abundantly demonstrated.
What caused the gradual descent into the LIA and what caused earth’s climate to come out of it into the Modern Warm Period is likely what caused prior Bond cycles in the Holocene and other interglacials and Dansgaard–Oeschger events in glacials, namely rearrangements of oceanic (such as more freshwater) and atmospheric circulation in response to changes in insolation, ie solar irradiance reaching the surface (and lower atmosphere), modulated by various longer-term factors, not by a year or two of more volcanic aerosols. Volcanoes can make cold period conditions worse, as happened with Kuwae and Tambora during the LIA, but which did not happen (at least no evidence shows it) with Samalas during the Medieval Warm Period, even those 1257 was already at the start of the decline in the MWP.
These explanations enable predictions subject to test. When so tested, volcanic explanations for the onset and end of the LIA and other such periods fail. Yet advocates of man-made global warming keep running them up the flagpole in hopes that the media will salute and swallow the swindle. Too bad you’re gotten into bed with these charlatans who aim like Stalinists to rewrite (earth) history.

June 25, 2014 12:00 pm

Greg says:
“While not impossible, I think the idea of shifting phase is a bit tenuous without some direct explanation.”
I had no idea, it is an observation, and not what I would have expected. The explanation follows.

george e. smith
June 25, 2014 12:04 pm

“””””…..Willis Eschenbach says:
June 24, 2014 at 4:27 pm
george e. smith says:
June 24, 2014 at 2:17 pm
“””””…..sturgishooper says:
June 23, 2014 at 6:52 pm
george e. smith says:
June 23, 2014 at 6:45 pm
I wasn’t referring to you, but to Willis’ view that 1976 saw the onset of Maunder Minimum recognition. Did you read the post at the head of these comments?
Obviously, YOU didn’t “read the post at the head of these comments “. Not only that, but you’re the latest in a line of charming fellows who try to impute a point of view to me without a quotation. All that does is get your face slapped, and deservedly so.
What I actually said was:
Modern interest in the Maunder sunspot minimum was sparked by John Eddy’s 1976 publication of a paper in Science entitled “The Maunder Minimum”.
Willis. My post was solely to tell someone to stop writing : “george e. smith says.” and then posting something that I absolutely never said at all; but that they may have excerpted from someone else.
At NO TIME was anything I wrote, in ANY way a comment on ANYTHING you had said. I have made not a single comment on ANYTHING that you have written in this essay, or subsequent posts precipitated, by other peoples comments on that.
So I have joined NOBODY who might have taken any issue with your work, or the opposite.
MY SOLE ADDITION to this thread, with regard to “the Maunder Minimum”, was to simply mention Willie Soon’s book on the subject; that is all. I have added no comment re either your essay, or any other person’s comment on it; other than to tell folks to stop attributing quotations to me, that I did not make, and I made no judgement either pro or con to those misquotations; just said STOP SAYING I SAID THIS; I DIDN’T !!
If that is cause for ME to have MY face slapped, then have at it.

June 25, 2014 12:10 pm

Leif and Other Readers- I’m sorry I had posted the wrong link on my 10:30 am post.. The reference should have been to page11 at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/23/maunder-and-dalton-sunspot-minima/#comment-1669289

LT
June 25, 2014 12:13 pm

lsvalgaard,
Well, you make statements as being facts, but there is no proof of any of this because all you have to work with is proxy data. It is possible to model the Sunspot cycle based on the position of the planets. Put your money where your mouth is, I will bet you 200 dollars US that in ten years TSI will be at least 1 watt/Square Meter below the last minimum.
http://www.pattern-recogn-phys.net/1/117/2013/prp-1-117-2013.pdf
LT

June 25, 2014 12:16 pm

Pamela Gray says:
June 25, 2014 at 11:41 am
The paper which you yourself cited pointed out the problem with comparing Tambora and Samalas in the Antarctic data. The issue is hardly under-reviewed by me. I brought it to your attention. I’m well aware of attempts to compensate for the accumulation issue in the 2008 revised data sets you cite and elsewhere.
Gao, et al’s revisions still show 1258 globally twice the sulfate load of 1815, which is not a problem for me, since as I said time and again, doubled sulfate doesn’t equal doubled climatic effect. And indeed, there is no evidence of a lasting climatic effect from the 1257 or so eruption, or really any effect at all, however transient. Certainly none that you have demonstrated.
I wonder if you actually looked at the revised data sets. Had you done so, one of the problems with your hypothesis would have become immediately obvious. Between 1284 and 1452, the vast majority of years experienced no sulfate load. There were only two years with even double digit amounts in all that time, and just six years with single digits. Between 1259 and 1284 there were three double digit eruptions.
So the LIA began in the midst of a long volcanic drought, although there were some eruptions without observable global climatic effects in the 13th century, during the MWP, just as there have been during the Modern Warm Period.

June 25, 2014 12:19 pm

The 10:30 AM post should read
“Leif – checked your link http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1004/1004.2675.pdf

Heres quote I would cherry pick -( I especially like Fig 5 )
“One does notice a certain “regularity” in the 10Be ice core variations, however. In Figure 5 we show as blue lines, the envelope of the “minima” in the 10Be cyclic intensity variations.
This “envelope” has long term periodic maxima occurring at ~1685, 1815 and 1895 A.D. This
type of variation could possibly be related to long term 10Be production changes. Indeed 22 year
averages (filters) of the 10Be concentration, which smooth out the shorter term cyclic variations,
show broad maxima at approximately these times (McCracken, et al., 2004). These times also,
more or less, coincide with the times of maxima of 14C concentration in tree rings”
On this basis just connect the minima of the HMF on page 11 at
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/06/23/maunder-and-dalton-sunspot-minima/#comment-1669289
to see the recent solar grand maximum and the Dalton and Maunder Minima very nicely displayed. I’m happy to cherry pick your slide here.

June 25, 2014 12:20 pm

milodonharlani says:
June 25, 2014 at 10:55 am
No surprise Willis is yet again ignoring all those citations, just as predicted. He can run and apparently can also hide.

June 25, 2014 12:20 pm

It’s useful to note where the coldest run of years are in CET through previous solar minima. In Gleisberg, it was from 1885 to 1895, just after SC12 max to just after SC13 max. In Dalton it was 1807 to 1817, just after SC5 max to just after SC6 max.

June 25, 2014 12:22 pm

sturgishooper says:
June 25, 2014 at 12:16 pm
There were ten years with sulfate readings between 1861 and 1991 in Gao, et al. So maybe volcanoes cause warm periods rather than cold periods.

June 25, 2014 12:24 pm

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/features/200611_paleoclimatology/
This is one of many studies which refutes the nonsense being put forth on this site.

June 25, 2014 12:24 pm

Of which six were double digit sulfate load years!

george e. smith
June 25, 2014 12:29 pm

“””””…..“””””…..sturgishooper says:
June 23, 2014 at 6:52 pm
george e. smith says:
June 23, 2014 at 6:45 pm
I wasn’t referring to you, but to Willis’ view that 1976 saw the onset of Maunder Minimum recognition. Did you read the post at the head of these comments?……”””
Now Willis; ALL of that above this point, I simply cut and pasted, from YOUR post, in which YOU slammed ME, and slapped MY face.
Now ALL of this part:-
“””””…..george e. smith says:
June 23, 2014 at 6:45 pm
I wasn’t referring to you, but to Willis’ view that 1976 saw the onset of Maunder Minimum recognition. Did you read the post at the head of these comments?……”””
IS THE SOLE WORK OF STURGISHOOPER. NOT ME !!
So it was HE that wrote ” george e. smith says ”
AND it was he that posted this “”..I wasn’t referring to you, but to Willis’ view that 1976 saw the onset of Maunder Minimum recognition. Did you read the post at the head of these comments?……”””
So it is sturgishooper whose face you should slap. HE said that ; I did NOT.
He apparently was saying it to ME.
But I don’t know that, because he evidently is one of these clowns, who simply can’t separate, that which he himself says, from something he lifted from someone else, or even from a fourth party’s lifting from a third party.
MY “””””…..xxxxx…..””””” nonsense, is done deliberately, to differentiate what I cut and pasted from someone else, from that which I subsequently pen myself.
I didn’t say anything about any 1976 comment of yours; or about anybody else’s comment about any 1976 comment.
As I said Willis; I’ve made zero comment on your essay that is the subject of this thread.
And yes; I have indeed read your entire essay. I read EVERYTHING you post. More often than not. I am incompetent to make any intelligent remarks, on most of your essays. It’s not MY field of expertise, so I read it to learn.

Greg
June 25, 2014 12:41 pm

“There were ten years with sulfate readings between 1861 and 1991 in Gao, et al. So maybe volcanoes cause warm periods rather than cold periods.”
Well I have no evidence test whether this is a general effect or just related to removal of recent industrial pollution, but there is a positive forcing from recent stratospheric eruptions.
http://climategrog.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=955
A rise then an apparently permanent drop in reflected top of atmosphere SW, synchonous with the changes in stratospheric temps. This must thn be getting absorbed by the lower climate system.
At about 1.8 W/m2, it’s enough to matter.

June 25, 2014 12:43 pm

george e. smith says:
June 25, 2014 at 12:29 pm
I doubt if anyone else failed to realize that I was talking about Willis in context of your mention of Soon’s book on the Maunders. If you reread what I wrote, maybe you will, too.
Others and I have already slapped Willis down on the claim that interest in connections between climate and the SSN low during the 17th century was only “modern”, ie post-1976.

June 25, 2014 12:49 pm

Greg says:
June 25, 2014 at 12:41 pm
OK. It’s settled, then. Volcanic eruptions caused and sustained the Modern Warming Period, not the Little Ice Age.
Just kidding.
But the negative correlation between volcanic activity and the origin and end of the LIA and the Modern Warming should drive a stake through the heart of the Warmunista lie that volcanoes caused the LIA. You can always find volcanic eruptions within 100 years of climatic changes. That doesn’t mean eruptions cause the centennial-scale colder, or warmer, intervals.
That hasn’t stopped The Team from trying to move the onset of the LIA back to c. 1250, rewriting history. I’m still waiting for Pamela to present the evidence she says is accumulating for a 13th century end of the Medieval Warming and start of the LIA cooling. Same with evidence for the climatic effect of the c. 1257 eruption or eruptions.

Pamela Gray
June 25, 2014 1:00 pm

Not to trigger massive solar enthusiast tearing of hair out, but it seems that at least in current models using the older now doubted solar data series, there appears to be an issue with a solar signal in the tropics based on model simulations (that’s the tearing of hair out que). The solar signal, based on the following research article, is possibly smaller than previously thought. I wonder what the outcome will be when the new solar data that corrects for the weighting factor is used. The volcanic signal was evident.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDAQFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atmos-chem-phys.net%2F14%2F5251%2F2014%2Facp-14-5251-2014.pdf&ei=WSerU8eNO5KNyASq_YKQCg&usg=AFQjCNE6no5ED85JQ80sbx7ZFuxXUMWsgA&bvm=bv.69620078,d.aWw

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