Guest essay by Christopher Monckton of Brencheley
The splendidly-titled Alberto Zaragoza Comendador, commenting on my recent posting taking apart Mr. Mann’s latest fantasia in Scientific American, was startled by my statement that only half of equilibrium global warming would emerge after a couple of hundred years, because –
“Equilibrium climate sensitivity is a measure of the global warming to be expected in 1000-3000 years’ time in response to a doubling of CO2 concentration, regardless of how that doubling came about. It has nothing to do with fossil-fuel emissions scenarios.”
El Comendador wrote:
“Whoa. Whoa whoa whoa. The effects of a CO2 doubling aren’t felt until 1000 years later? So if we hit 560 ppm we’ll in theory get 2.5°C of warming. But only 1.25°C will happen in the first 200 years? Am I getting this right? Can anybody please confirm?”
In fact, he had to write again, because I did not reply at once, for the fascinating answer to his entirely proper question needs a head posting to address it properly. He wrote:
“I have to ask the question again: is the literature certain (or as certain as climate science can be) about the time it takes for warming to kick in? At one point in the article Monckton says only half of the warming happens in the first 200 years. The rest may happen over the following 1000-3000 years. Politicians have set this nonsense 2 Cº limit, whichm when compared to pre-industrial times, means we only have 1.1 Cº warming left of warming before mega-disaster happens. I always knew it was a matter of decades, but now it seems to be a matter of centuries. If true, this takes the absurdity of the whole dangerous-anthropogenic-global-warming bandwagon to another level. And I wonder how many in the public know this: 0.01%, maybe? Of course it’s extremely convenient for the usual suspects that it will take so much time for warming to kick in: they can always claim the thing hasn’t been disproved, therefore the money should keep flowing.”
El Comendador is quite right to press his excellent question, and I must begin by apologizing that I was not able to answer it sooner.
I must also issue an Equation Alert. We’re going to have to review – in the simplest fashion – the fundamental equation of climate sensitivity, and then go deep into the IPCC’s documents to work out what they have hidden by their now-traditional device of not making it explicit what their projections entail. So, hold on to your hats. Here goes.
Climate sensitivity: The global warming ΔTt to be expected in response to a given proportionate increase in CO2 concentration over a specified term of years t is for present purposes sufficiently described by the simplified climate-sensitivity relation (1), where ΔTt, denominated in Kelvin or Celsius degrees, is the product of three quantities: the reciprocal of the fraction q of total anthropogenic forcing that is driven by CO2; a time-dependent climate-sensitivity parameter λt, which is itself the product of the instantaneous or Planck sensitivity parameter λ0 and a time-dependent temperature-feedback gain factor Gt; and the CO2 radiative forcing ΔFt. Annex B provides a more detailed discussion of (1), and of the uncertainties to which it gives rise.
Global warming ΔTt: On business as usual, without mitigation, global warming of 2.8 K from 2000-2100 is the mid-range projection in IPCC (2007, table SPM.3). Since the Earth has warmed at a rate well below those projected in all five IPCC Assessment Reports and there has been no global warming since 1996 (RSS, 2014), 2.8 K 21st-century warming will be taken as close to the upper bound.
CO2 concentration: On business as usual, unmitigated CO2 concentration over the 21st century will attain the annual values (in μatm) in Table 1, derived from the mid-range estimates in IPCC (2007).
CO2 forcing: According to the IPCC, a radiative forcing is an external perturbation in a presumed pre-existing climatic radiative equilibrium, leading to a transient radiative imbalance that will eventually settle toward a new equilibrium at a different global temperature. Experiment and line-by-line radiative transfer analysis have demonstrated that the CO2 radiative forcing ΔFt is reasonably approximated by the logarithmic relation (2),
where (Ct/C0) is a proportionate change in CO2 concentration over t years, with C0 the unperturbed value. Myhre et al. (1998), followed by IPCC (2001), give the coefficient k as 5.35, so that, for example, the CO2 forcing that arises from doubled concentration is 5.35 ln 2, or 3.708 W m–2.
Planck parameter λ0: Immediately after a perturbation by an external radiative forcing such as anthropogenically-increased CO2 concentration, the climate sensitivity parameter by which the forcing is multiplied to yield the global temperature response will take its instantaneous or Planck value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2 (expressed reciprocally as 3.2 W m–2 K–1 in IPCC, 2007, p. 361 fn.).
The sensitivity parameter λn: To allow for the incremental operation of temperature feedbacks, considered by the IPCC to be strongly net-positive, λn is projected to increase over time. The IPCC implicitly takes λn as rising from the instantaneous value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2 via the centennial value λ100 = 0.44 K W–1 m2 and the bicentennial value λ200 = 0.50 K W–1 m2 (derived in Table 2) to the equilibrium value λ∞ = 0.50 K W–1 m2. The equilibrium value is not attained for 1000-3000 years (Solomon et al., 2009).
Centennial parameter λ100: This and longer-term values of λn allow for longer-term mitigation benefit-cost appraisals. The IPCC projects CO2 concentration of 713 μatm in 2100 against 368 μatm in 2000, and a mid-range estimate of 2.8 K warming by 2100, of which 0.6 K is pre-committed (IPCC, 2007, table SPM.3), leaving 2.2 K of new warming, of which 70% (derived in Table 2), or 1.54 K, is CO2-driven. Therefore, the IPCC’s implicit centennial climate sensitivity parameter λ100 is 1.54 K divided by 5.35 ln(713/368) W m–2, or 0.44 K W–1 m2, representing an increase of 0.13 K W–1 m2 over a century against the Planck value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2. This value is half of the equilibrium value λ∞, derived below.
Bicentennial parameter λ200: Examination of the six SRES emissions scenarios for 1900-2100 (Table 2) demonstrates the IPCC’s implicit bicentennial sensitivity parameter λ200 to be 0.50 K W–1 m2 on each scenario.
Equilibrium parameter λ∞: Dividing the IPCC’s 3.26 K central estimate of climate sensitivity to a CO2 doubling (IPCC, 2007, p. 798, box 10.2) by the 3.71 W m–2 radiative forcing in response to a CO2 doubling gives the implicit equilibrium sensitivity parameter λ∞ = 0.88 K W–1 m2, attained after 1000-3000 years.
CO2 fraction: In Table 2, the fraction q = 0.7 of total anthropogenic forcing attributable to CO2 emissions is derived from each of the six SRES standard emissions scenarios.
Plotting the four values λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2, λ100 = 0.44 K W–1 m2, λ∞ = 0.50 K W–1 m2, and λ∞ = 0.88 K W–1 m2, produces curve A in Fig. 1. As the inset panel A shows, the temperature rises quite sharply in the first century or two.
Figure 1. Two equally plausible evolutions of the climate-sensitivity parameter λn. Version A is implicit in IPCC (2007). However, version B, an epidemic curve, is equally plausible.
Now, the various values of the climate-sensitivity parameter arise over time because temperature feedbacks do not take effect instantaneously, particularly in the IPCC’s very high-sensitivity regime. They unfold on timescales of centuries to millennia.
One example of a millennial-scale feedback is the melting of the land-based ice in Greenland, which the IPCC says will only happen if global temperatures remain 2 Cº higher than today for several millennia. And even this is probably an exaggeration. Most of you are too young to remember, but 8000 years ago the mean temperature at the summit of the Greenland plateau was 2.5 Cº higher than it is today (Fig. 2), but the ice there did not melt. So the most one might expect, even after several millennia, is some further loss of ice around the coastal fringes of Greenland.
In passing, there is a characteristically hysterical recent piece (in The Guardian, inevitably) by the accident-prone Australian professional bed-wetter Graham Redfearn, saying that from 2002-2011 some 260 billion tons of ice a year has melted from Greenland. Oo-er! Even if that were the case, sea level would have risen by just 0.7 mm a year, or little more than a quarter of an inch over the decade.
Figure 2. Reconstructed temperatures at the summit of the Greenland ice cap, 6000 BC to date.
For reasons such as this, it is no less plausible that feedbacks will come into play slowly to start with, as in inset panel B, than that they will act near-instantaneously in the first century or two, as in the IPCC’s implicit regime (Fig. 1, inset panel A).
The literature is pointing ever more clearly towards only the smallest net-positive feedbacks even at equilibrium. In that event, the global warming from a doubling of Co2 concentration will not much exceed 1 Cº, and that will come about within a century or two rather than several millennia. But even on the IPCC’s high-sensitivity central case, after 100-200 years the warming in response to a CO2 doubling would not have reached much more than 1.5 Cº, because the feedbacks under a high-sensitivity regime take longer to come into full effect.
Under the IPCC’s imagined regime, of course, the warming would continue to increase all the way to equilibrium, though at a slower rate than in the first couple of centuries.
To be fair, one should also bear in mind that CO2 concentration on business as usual will continue to rise even beyond the doubling from the pre-industrial 280 μatm to 560 μatm in around 2080. However, CO2 concentration would have to double again, from 560 to 1120 μatm, to have the same warming effect as that of the previous doubling.
Finally, it is worth reiterating that there is no, repeat no, consensus in the scientific literature in support of the IPCC’s assertion that recent warming is mostly manmade. Legates et al. (2013) established that only 0.3% of abstracts of 11,944 climate science papers published in the 21 years 1991-2011 explicitly stated that we are responsible for more than half of the 0.69 Cº global warming since we began to have a theoretically-detectable effect on global temperature in 1950.
Suppose that 0.33 Cº – just under half of the observed 0.69 Cº – was our contribution to global warming since 1950. Suppose also that CO2 concentration in that year was 305 ppmv and is now 398 ppmv.
Then the radiative forcing from CO2 that contributed to that warming was 5.35 ln(398/305) = 1.42 Watts per square meter. Assume that the IPCC’s central estimate of 713 ppmv CO2 by 2100 (Table 1) is accurate. Assume also that the CO2 forcing from now to 2100 will be 5.35 ln(713/398), or 3.12 W m–2.
Assuming that the 0.7 ratio of CO2 forcing to that from other greenhouse gases (derived in Table 2) will remain broadly constant, and assuming that by 2100 temperature feedbacks will have exercised 0.44/0.31 of the warming effect seen to date, the manmade warming to be expected by 2100 on the basis of the 0.33 Cº warming since 1950 will be 3.12/1.42 x 0.33 x 0.44/0.31 = 1 Cº.
Broadly speaking, the IPCC expects this century’s warming to be equivalent to that from a doubling of CO2 concentration. In that event, 1 Cº is indeed all the warming we should expect from a CO2 doubling. And is that going to be a problem?
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richard says:
March 26, 2014 at 7:39 am
I must say the Wet Office don’t give up easily , & I am delighted to see that they are covering all their arses, err……..I mean bases, by predicted that no matter what the weather does, e.g. too wet, too dry, too hot, too cold, it’s Climate Change!
I am sorry but that equation reminds me of Drake’s equation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
It reminds me of Drake’s because both of them seem to be built backwards. They wrote down the equation first and then they started looking for data that can support the equation.
The way scientists discover laws is the following one: First they collect experimental data, then they study that data looking for relationships among the different variables and then after the relationships have been discovered, scientists can put them in form of an equation. (or equations) That is the Brahe-Keppler-Newton way.
In Drake’s case, on the other hand, first Drake wrote the equation with absolutely no data available. (number of known alien civilizations = 0) Then he asked for money to build the SETI project and and finally he expected to find the experimental data to support his equation. Result? Total failure, Still 0 alien civilizations known in the galaxy. (alien = not on Earth)
The equation above looks similar to Drake’s. Both are written in the form of a function composed of several terms where maybe some terms are known but others are not. In Drake’s case it is clear that some terms are unknow, like the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets. (who knows that)
It seems to me that the equation above has the same problem. There are factors which values have not been measured experimentally rendering the equation as useless as Drake’s equation and the SETI program.
highflight56433 says:
March 26, 2014 at 9:14 am
In very dry regions, such as the poles, where air contains fewer water vapor than CO2 molecules, the gain of one CO2 molecule from three to four over the past century or so might have some slight warming effect. But in the tropics, where there can be 400 H2O molecules to four of CO2, not so much.
Martin A. That ‘climate sensitivity’ can be meaningfully calculated is something that even skeptics seem to accept as true.
Nobody doubts that a derivation from assumptions can be made. Lord Monckton takes a bunch of common alarmist assumptions and derives conclusions from them, which seems to show that if the alarmists are right, then there is nothing to be alarmed about.
However, neither the assumption that the climate sensitivity is constant, nor that the “equilibrium” approximation is accurate about something on Earth, has a strong justification or has been tested. So any conclusion following from those assumptions may not be “meaningful”, and not all skeptics accept as true that they are meaningful.
Four CO2 molecules per 10,000 dry air molecules in the above.
I find it highly unlikely that, when dealing with a complex and chaotic system, a single variable–climate sensitivity–will have much predictive value. It seems more likely that climate sensitivity would be a function of several variables. I’ve never really bought the large positive climate sensitivity given the uncertainties of the models and the observed tendency of complex self-organizing systems to resist deviance from homeostasis. I would expect the climate sensitivity to be negative up to the tipping point.
That’s why I’ve cast my lot with the using the radiation transfer equations as the basis for prediction and ignoring climate sensitivity. Climate sensitivity, though undoubtedly a significant factor, is so fraught with uncertainty as to be little more than a WAG (wild-a** guess). And just sticking with the radiation physics matches the trend from 1850 or so quite nicely.
In dismissing the climate feedback constant we must also dismiss predictions that the climate, in a Gaian fashion, will counteract the CO2 forcing to maintain homeostasis, and we must also dismiss predictions of catastrophe. Either may happen; we just don’t know.
That leaves the question at a rather uncomfortable stage. “Is climate change going to result in catastrophic warming?” Maybe. “Is climate change vastly over-rated?” Could be.
Steve Oregon says:
March 26, 2014 at 9:13 am
Will there ever be a surrender?
Go ahead!….You go first. Turn off your electricity use, and park your cars for starters.
Christopher Monckton of Brencheley
Thank you for another fine post and for your responses to questioners.
Well pardon me Anthony! The last time I spoke with you personally, it was at the Heartland meeting in DC a few years ago. You seemed like such a pleasant, knowledgeable gentleman.
I’ve followed your blog for years. I have an Apple Macbook pro, running Mac OS X 10.7.5…
Thanks for the advice, but it’s a little unbecoming of you, as was, probably, my asking if there was something affecting your operation more broadly.
@ur momisugly Clark gogostop I wasn’t trying to be rude or condescending in any way. You asked for help, and I gave my best advice. Your problem echoed several similar ones I’ve solved on PC’s. Since you didn’t give any details, all I could do was offer what worked in the past.
I’m sorry if you took that advice the wrong way.
On that note, if you are using the default Safari browser, we have had people report some issues with it that have been solved by using a different browser, or simply upgrading Safari to a newer version. WordPress.com recently upgraded their software, so it may be that safari is unable to render the new features.
Best wishes for a resolution.
Carbon Dioxide absorbs IR radiation at around 14 uM (link) and it’s only considered a greenhouse gas because it blocks some radiation that isn’t blocked by water vapor. By itself, it isn’t very good at blocking IR.
For blocking radiation, double glazed windows rely on surface coatings. The purpose of the filler gas is to reduce convection losses. CO2 has been used for this but there are other issues (it isn’t inert) that cause warranty problems and manufacturers usually avoid it.
insulated glazing
@george e smith: I am simply applying the Law of Conservation of Energy and Maxwell’s Laws (via Poynting Vectors = monochromatic Irradiance) to the vector interaction of the surface and the (opposite direction) atmospheric Radiation Fields (the collection of Poynting Vectors over all possible IR wavelengths).
This is simple physics at 2nd year undergraduate level. The Trenberth Energy budget with ‘back radiation’ aka ‘forcing’ bouncing back as part of the surface RF, now cast in the role of a real energy flux, breaches Conservation of Energy so can’t happen.
Trying to put myself in the mindset of the believers has been fascinating. The Meteorologists and Climate Alchemists imagine that just because a pyrgeometer outputs a signal in units of W/m^2 means it is a real rather than a potential energy flux. Too many physicists imagine every body above absolute zero continuously fires out ‘photons’ at that total energy flux.
The reality is that the only time you get the S-B equation energy flux is when the opposing RF is the zero point energy of a body at absolute zero. When you have radiative equilibrium between real emitters above absolute zero, the net real IR energy flux is the vector sum of all the PVs at the point or plane. The heat transfer rate is the negative of this.
Planck never said why: I am trying to solve that problem. As an engineer I solve radiative heat transfer problems using the difference of two S-B equations taking (wavelength-dependent) emissivity, (wavelength-dependent) absorptivity and geometrical view factor into account!
MODTRAN is perfectly correct; it calculate the RF at any plane in the atmosphere, not the net IR flux, the difference of opposing RFs. The IPCC has bolted on incorrect fizzicks!
Very interesting read, thankyou Lord Monckton. Any historians out there have a good idea of an “average” life span of a civilization? Rather, are we humans today really all just survivors of the same on-going evolvoluting civilization? Stoneage to metalurgy to electricity to space travel, what I am thinking here is what will earth be like in say 1000 years? What will earth be like in 3000 years? And while time relentlessly moves along, where in this future do we cross technical thresholds of providing civilization scale problems like energy production, food production and distribution, environmental health, health of humans, solutions? War being about the most critical toxin to our collective well being needs to be adressed much more effectivively and promtly than hyperthetical problems of CO2 CAGW forcings. We must all act immediately or face irreversable catastrophic climate anihilation! The IPCC tone of scare the bee jeesus out of everyone to do as we are told and stop asking questions does several disruptive and distructive things. One is distracting whole populations from actually working on viable projects to remedy said civilization scale problems that are known to us and “in our face” . Another is the siphoning of treasure and resources into a black hole of unaccountability guised as saving the world. Yet another sore point is the apparent out right mis-representation of data to drive a globalist agenda that ultimately orders everyone to surrender their souvereignty and subsequently any vestage of freedom humanity may have left. So here I am once again seeing that the “climate non-debate” is really about honesty and truth. My maple trees have been too cold to flow sap for another 48 hours. April is almost here and the ground is still frozen. Brrr
“We’re going to have to review – in the simplest fashion – the fundamental equation of climate sensitivity, and then go deep into the IPCC’s documents to work out what they have hidden by their now-traditional device of not making it explicit what their projections entail.”
Yes, this is the fundamental tactic employed by Alarmists. It is supplemented by constant appeals for deference to “expertise” and to “consensus,” the latter being something that has no place in science. Having done everything in their power to avoid communication with the general public, they argue that the general public will approve Alarmist conclusions when scientists are better at communicating them.
Alarmists are terrified of plain talk about their most important tools, computer models. Have you ever asked an Alarmist to state the relationship between a computer model and the observational evidence? Try asking them how the relationship differs from that between a scientific theory and its evidence. No attempt at communication will be forthcoming.
Martin A says: March 26, 2014 at 1:35 am
That ‘climate sensitivity’ can be meaningfully calculated is something that even skeptics seem to accept as true.
Although I accept the calculations in this article to be “meaningful’, it does not follow that all calculations are “meaningful.” And, unless I missed it, this article does not address the very important issue of how much atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic and that warming is beneficial. We don’t always have the luxury of fighting battles on a field of our choosing; our adversary sometimes get a vote on where the argument goes. In this case he probably chose badly as this article puts an exclamation point on the fact that at present rates CO2 doesn’t double for over 150 years and what percentage of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic is still much in debate.
realclimate is claiming models predicted the pause. its being used on the comments section to counter the point the pause was not predicted. But i thought even ipcc admit they don’t know why?
“In this model calculation, there is a “warming pause” in the last 15 years, but in no way does this imply that further global warming is any less. The long-term warming and the short-term “pause” have nothing to do with each other, since they have very different causes. By the way this example refutes the popular “climate skeptics” claim that climate models cannot explain such a “hiatus” – more on that later. –
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/12/the-global-temperature-jigsaw/
there are so many climate models guess one had to be right out of all the ones that were wrong.
Which just goes to prove a consensus of climate scientists agreeing is irrelevant, you just need one to be right.
Thank you. I’ll go back through WordPress.com, I haven’t done that yet. Thanks for the advice & glad to hear I’m the only one. Thanks again, sorry for the inconvenience.
“””””…..milodonharlani says:
March 26, 2014 at 9:32 am
highflight56433 says:
March 26, 2014 at 9:14 am
In very dry regions, such as the poles, where air contains fewer water vapor than CO2 molecules, the gain of one CO2 molecule from three to four over the past century or so might have some slight warming effect. But in the tropics, where there can be 400 H2O molecules to four of CO2, not so much……”””””
Do you know for a fact that the water vapor at the poles actually IS less than the CO2, in the atmosphere ??
If you take atmospheric pressure (at sea level) as 760 mm Hg (sorry for the non SI units), the 400 ppm, would be 0.304 mm Hg partial pressure. But we need to correct for molecular weights.
CO2 is 16+16+12 = 44 and air is about 0.8 x 28 + 0.2 x 32 = 28.8
The ratio is 1.528 so x 0.304 gives 0.464 mm Hg for the partial pressure of CO2 at sea level.
That’s the saturation vapor pressure over ice at -25.3 deg. C
So I suppose you are correct that at the poles, the winter time H2O is less than the CO2.
But the water is in no way negligible, even at the poles. And who cares about global warming at polar night time conditions anyway ??
urederra says:
March 26, 2014 at 9:28 am
Your criticism is spot on. As regards our solar system, Kepler produced the first “equations” that contained a genuine variable. Take his Second Law: A planet’s speed in its orbit varies directly with the area swept by a line drawn from the planet to the sun. (This law was not quantified and rigorously formulated before Newton introduced his calculus.) The variable in this law is “the planet’s speed.” That variable can exist because the Second Law is a universal generalization that specifies what must be known if a value is to be assigned to the variable. The universal generalization was an acceptable statement because it was highly confirmed.
What kind of structure does “consensus” climate science offer us that can illuminate the role of Climate Sensitivity in today’s climate science. They are not clear on whether transient Climate Sensitivity is variable or a constant. They will not be clear on such matters until they have provided one or more highly confirmed universal generalizations about Earth’s climate that contain a term for Climate Sensitivity. They have no idea how to do that.
Monckton of Brenchley says:
March 26, 2014 at 8:01 am
“Though it is clear on paleoclimate timescales that it is temperature that changed first and CO2 concentration change that followed, the CO2 concentration change was – and is – capable of reinforcing and amplifying the temperature change.”
I have observed that there is a lag even on short time scales. The rate of change in atmospheric concentration lags the change in ENSO related SST by up to about a year depending on latitude. As for the possibility of amplifying temperature change of the sea surface by radiating at the temperature at TOA both up and down, what do you think is the probability that those downwelling photons will reach the surface having to go through a thick layer of clouds and water vapor? On top of that, those relatively small numbers of CO2 molecules have shared their energy with air molecules through collisions (which we measure as temperature) as they are transported by convection to the TOA. There is no hot spot in the upper atmosphere.
GogogoStopSTOP,
I’ve been running Mac’s for many years as well. Occasionally WUWT won’t load correctly, but it usually because I’m overwhelming the memory capacity of the machine by having too many windows open at once.
Also of note is that you are now two full generations of operating system behind. (I run 10.9.2) It many be time to upgrade, add memory, upgrade Safari, or even try firefox as an alternate browser.
pbh
richard says:
March 26, 2014 at 5:24 am
“if some gives me a coin and I instantly give it back and he gives it back to me and i give it back to him , the question is , where is the gain,
oh and at night time I throw the coin away, the bank of energy closed.”
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Nuff is enough, Richard, you’re cracking me up. (loved um, and still laughing.)
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richard says:
March 26, 2014 at 7:07 am
“or the owners of massive greenhouses filled with co2 over 1000ppm 24×7 would be telling us how they see an increase in temps compared to ones without.”
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And that’s exactly how the CO2 believers should be forced to prove their CAGW claim.
Two (2) identical greenhouses, one with 400 ppm CO2 …… and one with 1,000 ppm CO2 ….. and an auto “recording” thermometer to 1/10 degree accuracy in the center of each one ………. that records the temperature at 10 minute intervals ……over a period of 24, 48, 72 or 96 hours ….. ….. and then comparing the two number sets at the end of the test run.
If CO2 is all that its touted to be, …… the two number sets will vary drastically from one another.
First, many thanks indeed to today’s commenters for a civilized, illuminating, and scholarly discussion. The fact that quite a heavily technical posting has attracted so many comments is a tribute to the sheer quality of the readership that this admirably and amiably administered website has attracted. Many old stagers have contributed, but there have been several new voices too. I’m going to deal very briefly with several interesting points. I have more time to write than usual, because I am in bed with a broken toe, having stubbed it dashing to the telephone to take an unwanted cold call. Bah!
AlecM says process engineers would laugh at the IPCC’s method of attempting to determine climate sensitivity. So they would, but not for the reason he suggests. The notion that CO2 interacting with outgoing long-wave radiation peaking in the near-infrared quite close to CO2’s key characteristic absorption wavelength does not breach the law of conservation of energy. The interaction induces a quantum oscillation in the CO2 molecule so that it emits heat directly, as though a tiny radiator had been turned on. If you turn on a radiator, you get heat. Process engineers would indeed laugh, however, at the notion of using the Bode feedback-amplification equation to try to model the climate without introducing a damping term to prevent the closed-loop gain from attaining the singularity at unity, which has a physical meaning in the electronic circuitry for which it was derived but has no meaning at all in the real climate.
Mr Kelly, Mr Keohane, and highflight56344 all have difficulty with the notion that on all timescales CO2 concentration change lags temperature change, and yet CO2 concentration makes the atmosphere warmer than it would otherwise be. Meditation on the difference between the absolute value C of CO2 concentration and the change ΔC in that value may assist. Mr Kelly also asks why we get glaciers every time CO2 is at a maximum. We don’t, but it has been known, though not in the past 420,000 years.
Steve Oregon reminds us usefully that the fallback position of the profiteers of doom is ocean “acidification”. The three most powerful of the many arguments against the notion that our tiny alteration of the partial pressure of CO2 above the ocean will hurt calcifying organisms beneath the foaming briny are 1) that some of the oldest of those organisms – corals – evolved at a time when CO2 concentration was up to 3 orders of magnitude above today’s; 2) that calcifying organisms thrive in a very wide interval of ocean pH, particularly along the coasts, where pH is hugely variable; and 3) Professor Plimer’s knockdown argument that the oceans are so overwhelmingly buffered by the basalt rock basins in which they lie that their response even to major changes in the atmospheric and hence oceanic partial pressure of CO2 is remarkably homeostatic.
Highflight56344 says that, all other things being equal, less concentration of H2O is a cooler atmosphere. Amen to that: but, by the Clausius-Clapeyron relation, a warmer atmosphere may carry near-exponentially more water vapor, though the ISCCP data do not suggest that it does.
Urederra says the climate-sensitivity equation reminds him of the Drake Equation in that both have too many unknowns. Amen to that too. I used that very analogy in my last Heartland talk and also at last year’s planetary-emergencies meeting of the World Federation of Scientists. Appreciative chuckles from both places when I referred to the climate-sensitivity equation as “the Quack Equation”. Chief among the many refractory unknowns are the temperature feedbacks.
Milodonharlari says the influence of CO2 is not as great in the tropics as at the poles, because in the tropics water vapor gets in the way. Not in the upper troposphere it doesn’t. Subsidence drying (see Paltridge et al., 2009) allows CO2 to exercise a greater role in the tropical upper air than elsewhere, not least because that is where most of the Sun’s heat comes in. Any additional heat in the tropical upper air tends to be advected poleward by the baroclinic eddies that predominate in the extratropics, accounting for polar temperature amplification. But the absence of the predicted tropical mid-troposphere “hot-spot” is a serious blow for the models. They are more obviously wrong here than anywhere else, as Christy (2012) has dramatically shown.
Commiebob says CO2 absorbs infrared radiation at around 14.99 microns and is only considered a greenhouse gas because it blocks some radiation that isn’t blocked by water vapor. By itself, he says, it isn’t very good at blocking infrared radiation. Again, one must bear in mind that there is very little water vapor in the upper air. It is there that CO2 comes into its own as a greenhouse gas. In the lower troposphere, its principal absorption wavelengths are indeed overwhelmed by those of water vapor.
George E. Conant says that “Yet another sore point is the apparent outright misrepresentation of data to drive a globalist agenda that ultimately orders everyone to surrender their sovereignty and subsequently any vestige of freedom humanity may have left”. Yes: and that is why the first of what may prove to be a number of fraud cases is inching its way towards the public prosecutors. Michael Mann has whined on Twitter that it is outrageous for me to excoriate the dreadful Torcello for demanding that skeptics be imprisoned when I have said that climate fraudsters should be and will be locked up. Well, to be skeptical is to be scientific: to be fraudulent is to be criminal, even if the fraud is fashionable. Mr. Conant says the “climate non-debate” is about honesty and truth. Hear, hear! Give that man a peerage.
Theo Goodwin says: “Have you ever asked an Alarmist to state the relationship between a computer model and the observational evidence? Try asking them how the relationship differs from that between a scientific theory and its evidence. No attempt at communication will be forthcoming.” I recently did exactly that in a debate against the treasurer of the Royal Society at Oundle School. He was reduced to gasping incoherence and eventually spluttered that I had been “dishonest”. To ask a question, however, is not dishonest. In the immortal words of Housman’s Greek Chorus, “I only ask because I want to know”.
PHMinSC says the head posting “puts an exclamation point on the fact that at present rates CO2 doesn’t double for over 150 years and what percentage of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic is still much in debate”. Exactly. It’s wonderful what the introduction of a few key quantities into the hand-waving arguments of the IPCC and its lickspittle coterie does to evaporate their case.
Finally, Mr Haynie asks what is the probability that those downwelling photons that have interacted with CO2 will reach the surface after going through a thick layer of clouds and water vapor. Well, the behavior of clouds and the fact that water vapor is not well mixed in the atmosphere are two of the many substantial uncertainties that prevent the science from being as settled as the anti-scientists say. Among the many outright falsehoods that have for so long underpinned the extremists’ case, perhaps the greatest is their claim of certainty. A la larga, as they say in the casinos of Puerto Rico, the experiment will be run until it is blindingly obvious even to the true-believers that the New Religion is false. But how many trillions will have been squandered purposelessly in the meantime? And what of the future of a race set apart from the beasts by the degree of its intelligence, if its governing class spits so long and so determinedly on the quest for truth that is the end and object of science herself?
Samuel C Cogar says:
March 26, 2014 at 11:32 am
And that’s exactly how the CO2 believers should be forced to prove their CAGW claim.
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Samuel I think they should be made to live in a bio-dome that has zero CO2 in it. They must grow their own food. And they can find out if they freeze to death.
highflight56433 says:
March 26, 2014 at 9:14 am
… How many time do we have to look at the ice cores to verify an increase in CO2 cools the planet? …
I rather doubt that ice core data could verify any such thing. What the available ice core data does appear to show is that the relationship is the reverse of what the IPCC assumes. That is, global temperatures affect CO2 concentrations, not the reverse. So, even what the good Viscount writes is directly contrary to the only truly long-term data available (not even the Central England Temperature data set is “long term” data in global geological contexts). Indeed, the ice core data seems to show a lag between temperature and atmospheric CO2 concentration of the same magnitude, but of opposite sign. So, the available empirical data, collected outside the laboratory (but still proxy data), do not seem to support any significant effect, either warming or cooling, on planetary temperature by atmospheric CO2. It simply does not appear significant to climate.