Guest essay by Christopher Monckton of Brencheley
The splendidly-titled Alberto Zaragoza Comendador, commenting on my recent posting taking apart Mr. Mann’s latest fantasia in Scientific American, was startled by my statement that only half of equilibrium global warming would emerge after a couple of hundred years, because –
“Equilibrium climate sensitivity is a measure of the global warming to be expected in 1000-3000 years’ time in response to a doubling of CO2 concentration, regardless of how that doubling came about. It has nothing to do with fossil-fuel emissions scenarios.”
El Comendador wrote:
“Whoa. Whoa whoa whoa. The effects of a CO2 doubling aren’t felt until 1000 years later? So if we hit 560 ppm we’ll in theory get 2.5°C of warming. But only 1.25°C will happen in the first 200 years? Am I getting this right? Can anybody please confirm?”
In fact, he had to write again, because I did not reply at once, for the fascinating answer to his entirely proper question needs a head posting to address it properly. He wrote:
“I have to ask the question again: is the literature certain (or as certain as climate science can be) about the time it takes for warming to kick in? At one point in the article Monckton says only half of the warming happens in the first 200 years. The rest may happen over the following 1000-3000 years. Politicians have set this nonsense 2 Cº limit, whichm when compared to pre-industrial times, means we only have 1.1 Cº warming left of warming before mega-disaster happens. I always knew it was a matter of decades, but now it seems to be a matter of centuries. If true, this takes the absurdity of the whole dangerous-anthropogenic-global-warming bandwagon to another level. And I wonder how many in the public know this: 0.01%, maybe? Of course it’s extremely convenient for the usual suspects that it will take so much time for warming to kick in: they can always claim the thing hasn’t been disproved, therefore the money should keep flowing.”
El Comendador is quite right to press his excellent question, and I must begin by apologizing that I was not able to answer it sooner.
I must also issue an Equation Alert. We’re going to have to review – in the simplest fashion – the fundamental equation of climate sensitivity, and then go deep into the IPCC’s documents to work out what they have hidden by their now-traditional device of not making it explicit what their projections entail. So, hold on to your hats. Here goes.
Climate sensitivity: The global warming ΔTt to be expected in response to a given proportionate increase in CO2 concentration over a specified term of years t is for present purposes sufficiently described by the simplified climate-sensitivity relation (1), where ΔTt, denominated in Kelvin or Celsius degrees, is the product of three quantities: the reciprocal of the fraction q of total anthropogenic forcing that is driven by CO2; a time-dependent climate-sensitivity parameter λt, which is itself the product of the instantaneous or Planck sensitivity parameter λ0 and a time-dependent temperature-feedback gain factor Gt; and the CO2 radiative forcing ΔFt. Annex B provides a more detailed discussion of (1), and of the uncertainties to which it gives rise.
Global warming ΔTt: On business as usual, without mitigation, global warming of 2.8 K from 2000-2100 is the mid-range projection in IPCC (2007, table SPM.3). Since the Earth has warmed at a rate well below those projected in all five IPCC Assessment Reports and there has been no global warming since 1996 (RSS, 2014), 2.8 K 21st-century warming will be taken as close to the upper bound.
CO2 concentration: On business as usual, unmitigated CO2 concentration over the 21st century will attain the annual values (in μatm) in Table 1, derived from the mid-range estimates in IPCC (2007).
CO2 forcing: According to the IPCC, a radiative forcing is an external perturbation in a presumed pre-existing climatic radiative equilibrium, leading to a transient radiative imbalance that will eventually settle toward a new equilibrium at a different global temperature. Experiment and line-by-line radiative transfer analysis have demonstrated that the CO2 radiative forcing ΔFt is reasonably approximated by the logarithmic relation (2),
where (Ct/C0) is a proportionate change in CO2 concentration over t years, with C0 the unperturbed value. Myhre et al. (1998), followed by IPCC (2001), give the coefficient k as 5.35, so that, for example, the CO2 forcing that arises from doubled concentration is 5.35 ln 2, or 3.708 W m–2.
Planck parameter λ0: Immediately after a perturbation by an external radiative forcing such as anthropogenically-increased CO2 concentration, the climate sensitivity parameter by which the forcing is multiplied to yield the global temperature response will take its instantaneous or Planck value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2 (expressed reciprocally as 3.2 W m–2 K–1 in IPCC, 2007, p. 361 fn.).
The sensitivity parameter λn: To allow for the incremental operation of temperature feedbacks, considered by the IPCC to be strongly net-positive, λn is projected to increase over time. The IPCC implicitly takes λn as rising from the instantaneous value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2 via the centennial value λ100 = 0.44 K W–1 m2 and the bicentennial value λ200 = 0.50 K W–1 m2 (derived in Table 2) to the equilibrium value λ∞ = 0.50 K W–1 m2. The equilibrium value is not attained for 1000-3000 years (Solomon et al., 2009).
Centennial parameter λ100: This and longer-term values of λn allow for longer-term mitigation benefit-cost appraisals. The IPCC projects CO2 concentration of 713 μatm in 2100 against 368 μatm in 2000, and a mid-range estimate of 2.8 K warming by 2100, of which 0.6 K is pre-committed (IPCC, 2007, table SPM.3), leaving 2.2 K of new warming, of which 70% (derived in Table 2), or 1.54 K, is CO2-driven. Therefore, the IPCC’s implicit centennial climate sensitivity parameter λ100 is 1.54 K divided by 5.35 ln(713/368) W m–2, or 0.44 K W–1 m2, representing an increase of 0.13 K W–1 m2 over a century against the Planck value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2. This value is half of the equilibrium value λ∞, derived below.
Bicentennial parameter λ200: Examination of the six SRES emissions scenarios for 1900-2100 (Table 2) demonstrates the IPCC’s implicit bicentennial sensitivity parameter λ200 to be 0.50 K W–1 m2 on each scenario.
Equilibrium parameter λ∞: Dividing the IPCC’s 3.26 K central estimate of climate sensitivity to a CO2 doubling (IPCC, 2007, p. 798, box 10.2) by the 3.71 W m–2 radiative forcing in response to a CO2 doubling gives the implicit equilibrium sensitivity parameter λ∞ = 0.88 K W–1 m2, attained after 1000-3000 years.
CO2 fraction: In Table 2, the fraction q = 0.7 of total anthropogenic forcing attributable to CO2 emissions is derived from each of the six SRES standard emissions scenarios.
Plotting the four values λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2, λ100 = 0.44 K W–1 m2, λ∞ = 0.50 K W–1 m2, and λ∞ = 0.88 K W–1 m2, produces curve A in Fig. 1. As the inset panel A shows, the temperature rises quite sharply in the first century or two.
Figure 1. Two equally plausible evolutions of the climate-sensitivity parameter λn. Version A is implicit in IPCC (2007). However, version B, an epidemic curve, is equally plausible.
Now, the various values of the climate-sensitivity parameter arise over time because temperature feedbacks do not take effect instantaneously, particularly in the IPCC’s very high-sensitivity regime. They unfold on timescales of centuries to millennia.
One example of a millennial-scale feedback is the melting of the land-based ice in Greenland, which the IPCC says will only happen if global temperatures remain 2 Cº higher than today for several millennia. And even this is probably an exaggeration. Most of you are too young to remember, but 8000 years ago the mean temperature at the summit of the Greenland plateau was 2.5 Cº higher than it is today (Fig. 2), but the ice there did not melt. So the most one might expect, even after several millennia, is some further loss of ice around the coastal fringes of Greenland.
In passing, there is a characteristically hysterical recent piece (in The Guardian, inevitably) by the accident-prone Australian professional bed-wetter Graham Redfearn, saying that from 2002-2011 some 260 billion tons of ice a year has melted from Greenland. Oo-er! Even if that were the case, sea level would have risen by just 0.7 mm a year, or little more than a quarter of an inch over the decade.
Figure 2. Reconstructed temperatures at the summit of the Greenland ice cap, 6000 BC to date.
For reasons such as this, it is no less plausible that feedbacks will come into play slowly to start with, as in inset panel B, than that they will act near-instantaneously in the first century or two, as in the IPCC’s implicit regime (Fig. 1, inset panel A).
The literature is pointing ever more clearly towards only the smallest net-positive feedbacks even at equilibrium. In that event, the global warming from a doubling of Co2 concentration will not much exceed 1 Cº, and that will come about within a century or two rather than several millennia. But even on the IPCC’s high-sensitivity central case, after 100-200 years the warming in response to a CO2 doubling would not have reached much more than 1.5 Cº, because the feedbacks under a high-sensitivity regime take longer to come into full effect.
Under the IPCC’s imagined regime, of course, the warming would continue to increase all the way to equilibrium, though at a slower rate than in the first couple of centuries.
To be fair, one should also bear in mind that CO2 concentration on business as usual will continue to rise even beyond the doubling from the pre-industrial 280 μatm to 560 μatm in around 2080. However, CO2 concentration would have to double again, from 560 to 1120 μatm, to have the same warming effect as that of the previous doubling.
Finally, it is worth reiterating that there is no, repeat no, consensus in the scientific literature in support of the IPCC’s assertion that recent warming is mostly manmade. Legates et al. (2013) established that only 0.3% of abstracts of 11,944 climate science papers published in the 21 years 1991-2011 explicitly stated that we are responsible for more than half of the 0.69 Cº global warming since we began to have a theoretically-detectable effect on global temperature in 1950.
Suppose that 0.33 Cº – just under half of the observed 0.69 Cº – was our contribution to global warming since 1950. Suppose also that CO2 concentration in that year was 305 ppmv and is now 398 ppmv.
Then the radiative forcing from CO2 that contributed to that warming was 5.35 ln(398/305) = 1.42 Watts per square meter. Assume that the IPCC’s central estimate of 713 ppmv CO2 by 2100 (Table 1) is accurate. Assume also that the CO2 forcing from now to 2100 will be 5.35 ln(713/398), or 3.12 W m–2.
Assuming that the 0.7 ratio of CO2 forcing to that from other greenhouse gases (derived in Table 2) will remain broadly constant, and assuming that by 2100 temperature feedbacks will have exercised 0.44/0.31 of the warming effect seen to date, the manmade warming to be expected by 2100 on the basis of the 0.33 Cº warming since 1950 will be 3.12/1.42 x 0.33 x 0.44/0.31 = 1 Cº.
Broadly speaking, the IPCC expects this century’s warming to be equivalent to that from a doubling of CO2 concentration. In that event, 1 Cº is indeed all the warming we should expect from a CO2 doubling. And is that going to be a problem?
[No.]
Co2 continues to rise and temperature (as best we can read it), does not.
Co2 follows temperature in all known records.
Nothing to do with the “slayers”. Just pointing out the bleeding obvious.
The capitulation on Co2 is the biggest mistake skeptics have made.
The “experiment” spoken of in no way, shape or form, represents our atmosphere.
The main assumption is that GMT will continue to rise for centuries. However, historical data indicates that GMT variations include periods of cooling as well (ie LIA). During these periods cooler SSTs will result in an increase in CO2 solubility and a decrease in atmospheric CO2. Also the increased biomass pulling CO2 from atmosphere would also have some effect prior to cooling.
Doesn’t this reduce these type of calculations, to idle speculation and conjecture, since we may be entering such a cooling period, as we speak? GK
If anything, COLD would be more likely to persist POSITIVE feedback as ice/snow remains longer (albedo effect).. Maybe we are really experiencing the beginnings of concrete evidence of this in the Northern hemisphere (although Antarctica in the SH may be showing this effect as well). This is pretty convincing
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/03/26/great-lakes-ice-obliterates-all-records/ as is the highly significant increase in Antarctic ice over the past 3 years (see CT today).
We would need to see similar effects in lakes ect., in Northern Europe and Russia
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Robin says:
March 26, 2014 at 6:33 am
To the UN and a great deal of Soviet psychological research, cybernetics is a theory of how human behavior can be controlled through psychological processes.
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I think alot of that nefarious research goes on & even originated in leftist US universities (IIRC, Goebbels got alot of his Nazi propaganda techniques from existing US practices employed during WWI). The US election committees employ alot of psycho and advertising majors.
As we know that CO2 lags temperature by an average of 800 years then the factor Gt must be zero.
an individual CO2 molecule has no temperature.
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the kinetic energy of a molecule is what we perceive as temperature. the confusion comes from talking about individual molecules. one might as well discuss sea level rise in the context of a drop of water.
“The last glacier in Scotland may have melted within the last 400 years, not 11,500 years ago as previously believed, new research finds”
is this how glaciers start?
The Scotsman March 26th 2014
“Nevis Range near Fort William has recorded snow fall every day for almost two months with some runs covered by 4.9 yards.
The record day on Sunday came despite some chairlifts being out of action because they are buried in snow.
There is so much of the white stuff that the slopes could stay open until the summer, management said.
Snow depths at Scottish resorts are said to be higher than the Olympic runs in Sochi and some of the Europe’s most popular resorts including Kitzbuhel in Austria, Lillehammer in Norway and Courchevel in France”
IIRC, Wally Broecker, one of the many “fathers” of global warming (a phrase he coined) & CACA, believes it would take about 1000 years for man-made CO2 to be scrubbed out of the atmosphere naturally. I might not be recalling correctly, however.
I’d like to thank the quaintly named Monckton of Brenchley for his kind reply (3:05 am) to my comment and my question.
Dear Lord Monckton, this is all good and well if one is to assume the earth to be otherwise unaffected by temperature feedback that arises from changing clouds. The temperature in the tropics has found its value, and is regulated quite well through clouds that appear earlier and staying later if it is getting warmer. Your analysis is quite good for the temperate regions, which could use a little warming. CO2 is our lifeline.
What then is this “Carbon Pollution”?
A sinister, evil collusion?
CO2, it is clean,
Makes for growth, makes it green,
A transfer of wealth, a solution.
http://lenbilen.com/2014/02/22/co2-the-life-giving-gas-not-carbon-pollution-a-limerick-and-explanation/
In reply to:
Martin A says: March 26, 2014 at 1:56 am
” Experiment and line-by-line radiative transfer analysis have demonstrated that the CO2 radiative forcing ΔFt is reasonably approximated by the logarithmic relation (2)…”
I am eager to learn about experiments that confirm calculations of ‘radiative forcing’ . Is there a reference to such experiments, please?
William:
The following is a review paper by a specialist in the atmospheric greenhouse gas calculation. Experiment data at the University of South Florida where sunlight and a long tube with different amounts of CO2 and other greenhouse gases was used to determine the raw forcing of the greenhouse gases and the interaction of greenhouse gases.
As the paper review paper notes the CO2 greenhouse effect is reduced in the lower atmosphere due to the overlap of the CO2 absorption spectrum with the H2O absorption. In the lower atmosphere, for that reason, additional CO2 causes very little warming as that portion of the atmosphere is saturated, in terms of greenhouse warming for CO2 and water vapour.
The general circulation models predict that the majority of the CO2 forcing warming should occur higher in the atmosphere and in the tropics as the most amount of long wave radiation that is emitted to space occurs in the tropics and there is less water vapour higher in the atmosphere. (The GCM predicted warming is then caused by the long wave radiation down from the higher regions in the atmosphere). The observed warming in the tropical troposphere is 100% to 300% less than what is predicted by the general circulation models (GCM). The fact that warming of tropical troposphere is 100% to 300% less than predicted by the GCM provides support for the assertion that there are fundamental errors in the general circulation models part of which are due to the incorrect modeling of clouds and provides support for the assertion that the IPCC ignores observations and analysis that completely disproves the extreme AGW hypothesis.
There is no physical reason for there to be a delay in the CO2 forcing in the tropical troposphere. The 1000 to 3000 years to reach equilibrium is a ruse to hide the fact that the short term warming observed due to the recent CO2 rises without feedbacks in the tropics is 100% to 300% less than predicted by the general circulation models.
http://www.warwickhughes.com/papers/barrett_ee05.pdf
“The HITRAN database is used universally as the basis for simulations of spectra; it is constructed from experimental data and supplied by the University of South Florida.”
“The main GHG’s spectra have been described and explained. The absorption characteristics of the GHGs indicate their relative importance in GH warming. The discussion is restricted to only a 100 m path length, the whole atmosphere being equivalent to one of 8 km at a pressure of 1000 mb and a temperature of 288 K. The basic spectroscopic data are presented and from these the absorption properties of the atmosphere are derived in the general circulation models. In addition to the properties of the GHGs, those of clouds, other aerosols and particulate matter are built into model programmes with a considerable degree of parametric uncertainty. The GCMs take feedbacks into account, such as the supposed positive feedback from extra warming caused by the absorption of radiation by extra water vapour. Such feedbacks have to be parameterised and although they may contribute a greater reality to the models, they also introduce extra uncertainties.
http://icecap.us/images/uploads/DOUGLASPAPER.pdf
A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions
We examine tropospheric temperature trends of 67 runs from 22 ‘Climate of the 20th Century’ model simulations and try to reconcile them with the best available updated observations (in the tropics during the satellite era). Model results and observed temperature trends are in disagreement in most of the tropical troposphere, being separated by more than twice the uncertainty of the model mean. In layers near 5 km, the modelled trend is 100 to 300% higher than observed, and, above 8 km, modelled and observed trends have opposite signs. These conclusions contrast strongly with those of recent publications based on essentially the same data.
all bases covered, so only if the weather stays the same year in , year out for ever will we know that we have co2 back to the level of , tell me again what level is it supposed to be?
The UK’s weather will become both too wet and too dry – and also too cold and too hot – as climate change increases the frequency of extreme events, the Met Office has warned in a new report.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/25/climate-change-uk-weather-wet-dry-met-office
I have concluded that the assumed “sensitivity” relationship between temperature and the atmospheric concentration of CO2 is backwards. The rate of change in CO2 concentration follows the rate of change in temperature in all time scales from daily to over 100,000 years. Look at the data and come to your own conclusions.
If Christopher Monckton is correct (I don’t even pretend to understand the mathematics) I’m a bit miffed; here in the UK climate prophets of doom earnestly promised ‘mediterranean-like temperatures’ as a result of all the CAGW predicted to come our way. I’ve already waited 20 years for that to arrive, to no avail. I was counting on it – even looking forward to it. I’ve had quite enough of this schizophrenic British weather, tbh.
I’m guessing I’ll never live long enough to enjoy the warmer British climate I was promised so ‘conclusively’ (the consensus cannot be wrong, after all)… *sad_face.jpg*
The laconically acronymic “RMF” says he would be wary of assuming that increased CO2 would have no impact on marine organisms. I did not say it would have “no impact”: I said it would “not make much difference”. The oceans are strongly buffered by the rock basins in which they lie, so that their pH cannot change much with the minuscule perturbations in atmospheric partial pressure that we are able to achieve by returning to the atmosphere some of the CO2 that once was there. The calcite corals first achieved algal symbiosis in the Cambrian era, 550 million years ago, when there was 25 times as much CO2 in the air as there is today. The aragonite corals ditto in the Jurassic era, 175 million years ago, when there was 12-15 times as much CO2 as today. Calcifying organisms are doing just fine, and will continue to do so.
The eccentrically pseudonymious “patrioticduo” says that 0.7 mm/year, or little more than a quarter of an inch over the decade” is incorrect. Well 0.7 mm/year is 7 mm/decade, and 7 mm is a little over a quarter of an inch.
Mr Kelly says that because CO2 concentration change lags temperature change by an average of 800 years the overall temperature feedback gain factor must be zero. Mr Haynie makes a similar point. However, theirs is a common misconception. Though it is clear on paleoclimate timescales that it is temperature that changed first and CO2 concentration change that followed, the CO2 concentration change was – and is – capable of reinforcing and amplifying the temperature change.
The laconically acronymic “RMF” says he would be wary of assuming that increased CO2 would have no impact on marine organisms. I did not say it would have “no impact”: I said it would “not make much difference”. The oceans are strongly buffered by the rock basins in which they lie, so that their pH cannot change much with the minuscule perturbations in atmospheric partial pressure that we are able to achieve by returning to the atmosphere some of the CO2 that once was there. The calcite corals first achieved algal symbiosis in the Cambrian era, 550 million years ago, when there was 25 times as much CO2 in the air as there is today. The aragonite corals ditto in the Jurassic era, 175 million years ago, when there was 12-15 times as much CO2 as today. Calcifying organisms are doing just fine, and will continue to do so.
The eccentrically pseudonymious “patrioticduo” says that 0.7 mm/year, or little more than a quarter of an inch over the decade” is incorrect. Well 0.7 mm/year is 7 mm/decade, and 7 mm is a little over a quarter of an inch.
Mr Kelly says that because CO2 concentration change lags temperature change by an average of 800 years the overall temperature feedback gain factor must be zero. Mr Haynie makes a similar point. However, theirs is a common misconception. Though it is clear on paleoclimate timescales that it is temperature that changed first and CO2 concentration change that followed, the CO2 concentration change was – and is – capable of reinforcing and amplifying the temperature change.
It all boils down to Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem.
It’s really hard to interpolate a cycle that lasts longer than recorded history.
CO2 has both rotational and vibrational excited states that can be distributed by temperature (not a true temperature, but still different than ground state). Looks like only the rotational states will be occupied at atmospheric temperatures at high pressure. Thus, hot vs. cold CO2 can be differentiated. I’m not sure that amounts to anything for your overall argument, but it’s still the case.
“””””…..ferdberple says:
March 26, 2014 at 7:19 am
an individual CO2 molecule has no temperature.
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the kinetic energy of a molecule is what we perceive as temperature. the confusion comes from talking about individual molecules. one might as well discuss sea level rise in the context of a drop of water……”””””
ferd, my money is on Richard Courtney ; with one clarification. When Richard says ; “an individual CO2 molecule has no temperature.” , I am quite sure he means an individual ISOLATED molecule. (stop me Richard, if I’m putting words in your mouth.)
By “isolated”, we mean an individual molecule that is NOT interacting (currently) with any other physical material. NO collisions; although it can interact with an electro-magnetic field.
Ergo, per Einstein, such a molecule has no frame of reference, other than itself, so it has no kinetic energy.
Any kinetic energy of a molecule can only become apparent, if and when, a molecule interacts (by collision) with other molecules, and then it is no longer isolated.
Temperature is a macroscopic property of large systems (of molecules), and is characterized by the mean kinetic energy of molecules in a very large number of interacting molecules, and in the gas phase, the Maxwell-Boltzmann energy distribution would be found.
So I agree completely with Richard Courtney on this. Richard and I have seldom differed in our positions.
Now to be rigorous or pedantic, any “isolated” molecule is subject also to the gravitational force, which is infinite in range.
But we squirm out of that one, by pleading that (a), gravitation (which sucks) is pitifully weak compared to electromagnetism (which doesn’t suck), and (b), I’ll hold your coat for you, while you point in the direction of the gravitational vector at some isolated point somewhere in the vastness of the universe (where our ostracized CO2 molecule in in solitary.)
Kinetic energy is only manifested when a collision occurs. As they say, The fall is harmless; it’s the stopping, that kills you.
As for the exchange between Richard Courtney and AlecM, I have to say, I’m unable to follow AlecM’s thought process; dunno if Richard does either.
Monckton of Brenchley says:
March 26, 2014 at 8:01 am
Mr Kelly says that because CO2 concentration change lags temperature change by an average of 800 years the overall temperature feedback gain factor must be zero. Mr Haynie makes a similar point. However, theirs is a common misconception. Though it is clear on paleoclimate timescales that it is temperature that changed first and CO2 concentration change that followed, the CO2 concentration change was – and is – capable of reinforcing and amplifying the temperature change.
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In blow ups of the CO2 vs temperature profiles from ice cores show CO2 does not cause the temperature to start to rise and does note stop the temperature from going down then anything we are doing now cannot have an effect on decade time scales and Gt would be close to or at zero for any time from 1940 until now.
fhhaynie says:March 26, 2014 at 7:40 am
I have concluded that the assumed “sensitivity” relationship between temperature and the atmospheric concentration of CO2 is backwards.
The ice cores seem to support this.
Monckton of Brenchley says:March 26, 2014 at 8:01 am
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Mr Kelly says that because CO2 concentration change lags temperature change by an average of 800 years the overall temperature feedback gain factor must be zero. Mr Haynie makes a similar point. However, theirs is a common misconception. Though it is clear on paleoclimate timescales that it is temperature that changed first and CO2 concentration change that followed, the CO2 concentration change was – and is – capable of reinforcing and amplifying the temperature change.
My two biggest problems with the ice core relationship of CO2 to temperature, is that for any given CO2 concentration the temperature is both rising and falling. That is, when it warms during an inter-glacial period, there is a rising concentration of CO2; then during the next cool-down to re-glaciation, the CO2 drops as does the temperature. Therefore the same CO2 levels occur during both warming and cooling, allegedly affecting the rise, and inert during the cooling. The second problem is if one assumes CO2 is driving the temperature, why is it that every time CO2 is at a maximum, we get glaciers?
Monckton of Brenchley says:
March 26, 2014 at 8:01 am
GEOCARB III shows over 26 times “pre-industrial” CO2 concentration (conventionally set at 300 ppm by mass) for the Early Cambrian peak (520 Ma; which time was cold) & for the Early to Middle Jurassic ~4.8 times at 180 Ma & ~8.6x at 170 Ma (when climate was cooler than during the Late Cretaceous, when CO2 was lower).
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/paleo/climate_forcing/trace_gases/phanerozoic_co2.txt
For the last week, I have not been able to properly receive WUWT. Is anyone else having the same problem. I get no article, just comments. And the comments are not left justified, they’re center justified. Aditionally, there are lines overwritten.
HELP!
@BERNARD T CLARK
The problem is on your end. Thousands of people read WUWT every day with no trouble. You probably need to do one or all of these things.
1. Upgrade your computer browser (Some people are still running Internet Explore 6 and early versions of Firefox) that have never been updated.)
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I’m guessing you aren’t computer savvy, or you wouldn’t be asking for help in this way. Take it to a local computer store and let them help you.
Monckton,
Fabulous work as usual.
However, I immediately thought of the default alarmists can move on to.
Acidification.
Acedemics pitch for funding:
Scallops die-off shows importance of ocean acidification research: Guest opinion
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2014/03/scallops_die-off_reveals_threa.html#incart_river
Links found where none exist. They need for science, just assertion.
http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2014/02/26/acidic-water-blamed-for-bcs-10-million-scallop-die-off/
“Human-caused carbon dioxide emissions in the atmosphere are being absorbed by the ocean and may have pushed local waters through a “tipping point” of acidity beyond which shellfish cannot survive, according to Chris Harley, a marine ecologist at the University of B.C.
Rising ocean acidity is a global phenomenon, made worse by higher natural acidity in local waters, Harley said.
“I’ve seen pH measured down to about 7.2, so this is very much within the realm of possibility, though unfortunate and extreme,” he said. “We are in a hot spot in the Pacific Northwest.”
The lower the pH, the higher the acidity. Local waters are typically a much-less-acidic 8.2.
High acidity interferes with the ability of baby scallops to form a protective shell, forcing them to expend more energy and making them more vulnerable to predators and infection.
“When the pH goes down, it’s a lot harder to build that shell and we’ve seen that in a lot of other species in the lab,” said Harley. “It interferes with everything they do, their basic physiology is affected.”
Will there ever be a surrender?
I cannot buy into CO2 warming a H2O system as it (the CO2) would dilute molecule for molecule any concentration of H2O vapor, resulting in a cooling response as CO2 is less a heat absorbent than water. The cooling would then dry the atmosphere causing even further cooling. How many time do we have to look at the ice cores to verify an increase in CO2 cools the planet? And then there is the fact that it is the surface that warms the atmosphere, so first there must be warmer temps on the surface to increase air temperature. All being equal, less concentration of H2O is a cooler atmosphere.
george e. smith:
Yes, I completely agree with your post at March 26, 2014 at 8:24 am which adds explanation to my points. Also, my post you have kindly explained was requesting explanation from AlecM because – as I said – his assertions “seem to make no sense”.
Richard