When will climate feedbacks fully function? Not for millennia

 Guest essay by Christopher Monckton of Brencheley

The splendidly-titled Alberto Zaragoza Comendador, commenting on my recent posting taking apart Mr. Mann’s latest fantasia in Scientific American, was startled by my statement that only half of equilibrium global warming would emerge after a couple of hundred years, because –

“Equilibrium climate sensitivity is a measure of the global warming to be expected in 1000-3000 years’ time in response to a doubling of CO2 concentration, regardless of how that doubling came about. It has nothing to do with fossil-fuel emissions scenarios.”

El Comendador wrote:

“Whoa. Whoa whoa whoa. The effects of a CO2 doubling aren’t felt until 1000 years later? So if we hit 560 ppm we’ll in theory get 2.5°C of warming. But only 1.25°C will happen in the first 200 years? Am I getting this right? Can anybody please confirm?”

In fact, he had to write again, because I did not reply at once, for the fascinating answer to his entirely proper question needs a head posting to address it properly. He wrote:

 

“I have to ask the question again: is the literature certain (or as certain as climate science can be) about the time it takes for warming to kick in? At one point in the article Monckton says only half of the warming happens in the first 200 years. The rest may happen over the following 1000-3000 years. Politicians have set this nonsense 2 Cº limit, whichm when compared to pre-industrial times, means we only have 1.1 Cº warming left of warming before mega-disaster happens. I always knew it was a matter of decades, but now it seems to be a matter of centuries. If true, this takes the absurdity of the whole dangerous-anthropogenic-global-warming bandwagon to another level. And I wonder how many in the public know this: 0.01%, maybe? Of course it’s extremely convenient for the usual suspects that it will take so much time for warming to kick in: they can always claim the thing hasn’t been disproved, therefore the money should keep flowing.”

El Comendador is quite right to press his excellent question, and I must begin by apologizing that I was not able to answer it sooner.

I must also issue an Equation Alert. We’re going to have to review – in the simplest fashion – the fundamental equation of climate sensitivity, and then go deep into the IPCC’s documents to work out what they have hidden by their now-traditional device of not making it explicit what their projections entail. So, hold on to your hats. Here goes.

Climate sensitivity: The global warming ΔTt to be expected in response to a given proportionate increase in CO2 concentration over a specified term of years t is for present purposes sufficiently described by the simplified climate-sensitivity relation (1), where ΔTt, denominated in Kelvin or Celsius degrees, is the product of three quantities: the reciprocal of the fraction q of total anthropogenic forcing that is driven by CO2; a time-dependent climate-sensitivity parameter λt, which is itself the product of the instantaneous or Planck sensitivity parameter λ0 and a time-dependent temperature-feedback gain factor Gt; and the CO2 radiative forcing ΔFt. Annex B provides a more detailed discussion of (1), and of the uncertainties to which it gives rise.

clip_image002 | Kelvin. (1)

Global warming ΔTt: On business as usual, without mitigation, global warming of 2.8 K from 2000-2100 is the mid-range projection in IPCC (2007, table SPM.3). Since the Earth has warmed at a rate well below those projected in all five IPCC Assessment Reports and there has been no global warming since 1996 (RSS, 2014), 2.8 K 21st-century warming will be taken as close to the upper bound.

CO2 concentration: On business as usual, unmitigated CO2 concentration over the 21st century will attain the annual values (in μatm) in Table 1, derived from the mid-range estimates in IPCC (2007).

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CO2 forcing: According to the IPCC, a radiative forcing is an external perturbation in a presumed pre-existing climatic radiative equilibrium, leading to a transient radiative imbalance that will eventually settle toward a new equilibrium at a different global temperature. Experiment and line-by-line radiative transfer analysis have demonstrated that the CO2 radiative forcing ΔFt is reasonably approximated by the logarithmic relation (2),

clip_image002[7] | Watts per square meter, (2)

where (Ct/C0) is a proportionate change in CO2 concentration over t years, with C0 the unperturbed value. Myhre et al. (1998), followed by IPCC (2001), give the coefficient k as 5.35, so that, for example, the CO2 forcing that arises from doubled concentration is 5.35 ln 2, or 3.708 W m–2.

Planck parameter λ0: Immediately after a perturbation by an external radiative forcing such as anthropogenically-increased CO2 concentration, the climate sensitivity parameter by which the forcing is multiplied to yield the global temperature response will take its instantaneous or Planck value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2 (expressed reciprocally as 3.2 W m–2 K–1 in IPCC, 2007, p. 361 fn.).

The sensitivity parameter λn: To allow for the incremental operation of temperature feedbacks, considered by the IPCC to be strongly net-positive, λn is projected to increase over time. The IPCC implicitly takes λn as rising from the instantaneous value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2 via the centennial value λ100 = 0.44 K W–1 m2 and the bicentennial value λ200 = 0.50 K W–1 m2 (derived in Table 2) to the equilibrium value λ = 0.50 K W–1 m2. The equilibrium value is not attained for 1000-3000 years (Solomon et al., 2009).

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Centennial parameter λ100: This and longer-term values of λn allow for longer-term mitigation benefit-cost appraisals. The IPCC projects CO2 concentration of 713 μatm in 2100 against 368 μatm in 2000, and a mid-range estimate of 2.8 K warming by 2100, of which 0.6 K is pre-committed (IPCC, 2007, table SPM.3), leaving 2.2 K of new warming, of which 70% (derived in Table 2), or 1.54 K, is CO2-driven. Therefore, the IPCC’s implicit centennial climate sensitivity parameter λ100 is 1.54 K divided by 5.35 ln(713/368) W m–2, or 0.44 K W–1 m2, representing an increase of 0.13 K W–1 m2 over a century against the Planck value λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2. This value is half of the equilibrium value λ, derived below.

Bicentennial parameter λ200: Examination of the six SRES emissions scenarios for 1900-2100 (Table 2) demonstrates the IPCC’s implicit bicentennial sensitivity parameter λ200 to be 0.50 K W–1 m2 on each scenario.

Equilibrium parameter λ: Dividing the IPCC’s 3.26 K central estimate of climate sensitivity to a CO2 doubling (IPCC, 2007, p. 798, box 10.2) by the 3.71 W m–2 radiative forcing in response to a CO2 doubling gives the implicit equilibrium sensitivity parameter λ = 0.88 K W–1 m2, attained after 1000-3000 years.

CO2 fraction: In Table 2, the fraction q = 0.7 of total anthropogenic forcing attributable to CO2 emissions is derived from each of the six SRES standard emissions scenarios.

Plotting the four values λ0 = 0.31 K W–1 m2, λ100 = 0.44 K W–1 m2, λ = 0.50 K W–1 m2, and λ = 0.88 K W–1 m2, produces curve A in Fig. 1. As the inset panel A shows, the temperature rises quite sharply in the first century or two.

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Figure 1. Two equally plausible evolutions of the climate-sensitivity parameter λn. Version A is implicit in IPCC (2007). However, version B, an epidemic curve, is equally plausible.

Now, the various values of the climate-sensitivity parameter arise over time because temperature feedbacks do not take effect instantaneously, particularly in the IPCC’s very high-sensitivity regime. They unfold on timescales of centuries to millennia.

One example of a millennial-scale feedback is the melting of the land-based ice in Greenland, which the IPCC says will only happen if global temperatures remain 2 Cº higher than today for several millennia. And even this is probably an exaggeration. Most of you are too young to remember, but 8000 years ago the mean temperature at the summit of the Greenland plateau was 2.5 Cº higher than it is today (Fig. 2), but the ice there did not melt. So the most one might expect, even after several millennia, is some further loss of ice around the coastal fringes of Greenland.

In passing, there is a characteristically hysterical recent piece (in The Guardian, inevitably) by the accident-prone Australian professional bed-wetter Graham Redfearn, saying that from 2002-2011 some 260 billion tons of ice a year has melted from Greenland. Oo-er! Even if that were the case, sea level would have risen by just 0.7 mm a year, or little more than a quarter of an inch over the decade.

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Figure 2. Reconstructed temperatures at the summit of the Greenland ice cap, 6000 BC to date.

For reasons such as this, it is no less plausible that feedbacks will come into play slowly to start with, as in inset panel B, than that they will act near-instantaneously in the first century or two, as in the IPCC’s implicit regime (Fig. 1, inset panel A).

The literature is pointing ever more clearly towards only the smallest net-positive feedbacks even at equilibrium. In that event, the global warming from a doubling of Co2 concentration will not much exceed 1 Cº, and that will come about within a century or two rather than several millennia. But even on the IPCC’s high-sensitivity central case, after 100-200 years the warming in response to a CO2 doubling would not have reached much more than 1.5 Cº, because the feedbacks under a high-sensitivity regime take longer to come into full effect.

Under the IPCC’s imagined regime, of course, the warming would continue to increase all the way to equilibrium, though at a slower rate than in the first couple of centuries.

To be fair, one should also bear in mind that CO2 concentration on business as usual will continue to rise even beyond the doubling from the pre-industrial 280 μatm to 560 μatm in around 2080. However, CO2 concentration would have to double again, from 560 to 1120 μatm, to have the same warming effect as that of the previous doubling.

Finally, it is worth reiterating that there is no, repeat no, consensus in the scientific literature in support of the IPCC’s assertion that recent warming is mostly manmade. Legates et al. (2013) established that only 0.3% of abstracts of 11,944 climate science papers published in the 21 years 1991-2011 explicitly stated that we are responsible for more than half of the 0.69 Cº global warming since we began to have a theoretically-detectable effect on global temperature in 1950.

Suppose that 0.33 Cº – just under half of the observed 0.69 Cº – was our contribution to global warming since 1950. Suppose also that CO2 concentration in that year was 305 ppmv and is now 398 ppmv.

Then the radiative forcing from CO2 that contributed to that warming was 5.35 ln(398/305) = 1.42 Watts per square meter. Assume that the IPCC’s central estimate of 713 ppmv CO2 by 2100 (Table 1) is accurate. Assume also that the CO2 forcing from now to 2100 will be 5.35 ln(713/398), or 3.12 W m–2.

Assuming that the 0.7 ratio of CO2 forcing to that from other greenhouse gases (derived in Table 2) will remain broadly constant, and assuming that by 2100 temperature feedbacks will have exercised 0.44/0.31 of the warming effect seen to date, the manmade warming to be expected by 2100 on the basis of the 0.33 Cº warming since 1950 will be 3.12/1.42 x 0.33 x 0.44/0.31 = 1 Cº.

Broadly speaking, the IPCC expects this century’s warming to be equivalent to that from a doubling of CO2 concentration. In that event, 1 Cº is indeed all the warming we should expect from a CO2 doubling. And is that going to be a problem?

[No.]

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pat
March 26, 2014 1:08 am

Updated 26 March: UK Daily Mail: Ben Spencer: UK professor refuses to put his name to ‘apocalyptic’ UN climate change survey that he claims is exaggerating the effects
Prof Richard Tol said UN academics were exaggerating climate change
Comes as a blow to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
A climate scientist has accused the United Nations of being too alarmist over global warming – and demanded his name be removed from a crucial new report…
He said: ‘The message in the first draft was that through adaptation and clever development these were manageable risks, but it did require we get our act together.
‘This has completely disappeared from the draft now, which is all about the impacts of climate change and the four horsemen of the apocalypse. This is a missed opportunity.’
Professor Tol told the BBC: ‘You have a very silly statement in the draft summary that says that people who live in war-torn countries are more vulnerable to climate change, which is undoubtedly true.
But if you ask people in Syria whether they are more concerned with chemical weapons or climate change, I think they would pick chemical weapons – that is just silliness.’…
Bob Ward, of the London School of Economics, said: ‘Prof Tol’s contribution to the IPCC report has been under scrutiny because he inserted – at a very late stage, so avoiding the IPCC expert review process – a section which publicised his own work.
‘The section contained a number of errors. Prof Tol has expressed extreme reluctance to correct the errors in his work and it does not surprise me that he alone among the 410 authors of this report has refused to endorse the summary.’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589424/UK-professor-refuses-to-apocalyptic-UN-climate-change-survey.html

March 26, 2014 1:08 am

ah..yes…

Patrick
March 26, 2014 1:18 am

Yes. Even the now redundant govn’t climate expert, Flannery, stated as much in 2011.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/no-fast-result-in-cuts-flannery/story-e6frg6xf-1226028366173

thingadonta
March 26, 2014 1:25 am

“temperature feedbacks… unfold on timescales of centuries to millennia”.
Hansen calls them ‘fast’ and ‘slow’ feedbacks which, from memory, take place on time scales from the immediate to the order of decades to centuries, rather than millennia.
But I’m not sure anyone really knows the timescales involved, they are just guesses, because nobody knows 1) how strong both the fast and slow feedbacks are, and 2) nor what relative proportion each is in the overall estimate of climate sensitivity 3) what are the strengths and timescales of any negative feedbacks on both the slow and fast feedbacks.
One thing the IPCC has assumed though, is that the immediate effect -the fast feedback-is relatively high, as in their explanation for warming in the late 20th century, which if wrong, makes the other parameters even more questionable. If people really knew all these doubts, the whole ‘science is settled’ nonsense would evaporate.

Martin A
March 26, 2014 1:35 am

That ‘climate sensitivity’ can be meaningfully calculated is something that even skeptics seem to accept as true.

March 26, 2014 1:37 am

I see Ward responds in his usual way by attempting to denigrate his opponent and making no attempt to answer Tol’s complaint. Ward really is a disgusting creature.

March 26, 2014 1:50 am

Lord Monckton
IPCC AR3 mentions that equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) takes thousands of years to attain. But in subsequent assessment reports they conveniently forget to state it. The uncertainty in aerosol forcing is – 2.5 W/m^2. That’s enough to cancel the CO2 forcing of 1.66 W/m^2 since pre-industrial era. It seems aerosols have greater impact on climate than CO2. BTW Lindzen and Spencer have independent satellite studies showing strong negative feedback of 6 W/m^2/K. This means TCR could be < 1 C for doubling of CO2.

Martin A
March 26, 2014 1:56 am

Experiment and line-by-line radiative transfer analysis have demonstrated that the CO2 radiative forcing ΔFt is reasonably approximated by the logarithmic relation (2)…”
I am eager to learn about experiments that confirm calculations of ‘radiative forcing’ . Is there a reference to such experiments, please?

kowalk
March 26, 2014 2:00 am

The fact is that ‘climate change’ as we observe it since LIA can be explained much better by ‘natural’ phenomenas, like change of solar activity or AMO/PDO; no AGW required. So I think the discussion here is as important as the question how many angles can dance on a pinpoint.
More important is the question how many people more can be fed by CO2 in atmosphere, since doubling of CO2 and increased temperature would increase plant growth by a factor of two or more.

Jimbo
March 26, 2014 2:08 am

Finally, it is worth reiterating that there is no, repeat no, consensus in the scientific literature in support of the IPCC’s assertion that recent warming is mostly manmade. Legates et al. (2013) established that only 0.3% of abstracts of 11,944 climate science papers published in the 21 years 1991-2011 explicitly stated that we are responsible for more than half of the 0.69 Cº global warming since we began to have a theoretically-detectable effect on global temperature in 1950.

0.69 Cº since 1950 mostly ’caused’ by man. So the warming between the end of the Little Ice Age to 1949 was mostly natural. Why are we all in a panic? Does anyone have a graph that takes out the human ‘caused‘ component since the end of the Little Ice Age?

March 26, 2014 2:24 am

maybe someone can propose to recreate mann’s study [if its science it should be repeatable right?] and see if they come up with the same conclusion? probably could fund it thro kickstarter or somewhere? I see others have looked at the tree rings and come up with different views.
as far as i can see the correct narrative is that we are coming out of a 2000 cooling period

March 26, 2014 2:27 am

Oh! Dear.
I will be dead.
Before it gets decently warm here.

Ex-expat Colin
March 26, 2014 2:34 am

Sir David King (ex UK Gov Chief Scientific Advisor) and now William Hagues permanent Special Representative for Climate Change appeared yesterday at the HoC Energy and Climate Change Committee. King said that current installation rate of coal fired power stations up until 2017 does not allow the UN temperature target of staying below 2 deg C to be met. Thats a 1.8% increase of CO2 pa he said. I think there are some really super accurate instrumentation somewhere here?
Going at 1.8% pa rise hits the 2 deg UN target at 2043 (IPCC calculation) King said.
That does not appear to fit with Lord Monktons calculations above. King states this rise in temp and/or emissions is exponential and is I suspect to many very alarming. Include all his Scientific Advisor agents embedded in Whitehall and British embassies and I am sure his view is going to override anything that Lord Monkon might present and indeed Peter Lilly who thought King lived in a dream world.
Committee proceedings at approx 10:50 mins:
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2014/3/25/david-king-at-the-ecc.html#comments

Jimbo
March 26, 2014 2:39 am

kowalk says:
March 26, 2014 at 2:00 am
The fact is that ‘climate change’ as we observe it since LIA can be explained much better by ‘natural’ phenomenas, like change of solar activity or AMO/PDO; no AGW required. So I think the discussion here is as important as the question how many angles can dance on a pinpoint.
More important is the question how many people more can be fed by CO2 in atmosphere, since doubling of CO2 and increased temperature would increase plant growth by a factor of two or more.

OBSERVATIONS

Abstract – May 2013
A Global Assessment of Long-Term Greening and Browning Trends in Pasture Lands Using the GIMMS LAI3g Dataset
Our results suggest that degradation of pasture lands is not a globally widespread phenomenon and, consistent with much of the terrestrial biosphere, there have been widespread increases in pasture productivity over the last 30 years.
http://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/5/5/2492

If any Warmist here wants to use a scary MODEL’S output as evidence for future danger then here is a model. Do you have any confidence in this model? I don’t.

Abstract – 2013
P. B. Holden et. al.
A model-based constraint on CO2 fertilisation
Using output from a 671-member ensemble of transient GENIE simulations, we build an emulator of the change in atmospheric CO2 concentration change since the preindustrial period. We use this emulator to sample the 28-dimensional input parameter space. A Bayesian calibration of the emulator output suggests that the increase in gross primary productivity (GPP) in response to a doubling of CO2 from preindustrial values is very likely (90% confidence) to exceed 20%, with a most likely value of 40–60%. It is important to note that we do not represent all of the possible contributing mechanisms to the terrestrial sink. The missing processes are subsumed into our calibration of CO2 fertilisation, which therefore represents the combined effect of CO2 fertilisation and additional missing processes.
doi:10.5194/bg-10-339-2013

Monckton of Brenchley
March 26, 2014 3:05 am

The uninterestingly hemionymous “Martin A” says that “even skeptics accept” that climate sensitivity can be meaningfully calculated. No: we accept that if we try to determine it we may perhaps be able to constrain it somewhat. My own attempts published in the literature suggest that 1.5 K per CO2 doubling may prove to be nearer an upper than a lower bound, but the uncertainties are so great that the best one can say is that the evidence for the proposition that on business as usual a warming substantial enough to do more harm than good will occur is, at present, wholly insufficient.
“Martin A” also asks about the experiments that have assisted the line-by-line modelers in determining the logarithmicity of the CO2 forcing equation. Well, of course, in order to determine the line-by-line spectral characteristics of an atmosphere influenced by changes in the concentration of CO2 and other greenhouse gases it is necessary to determine by laboratory measurement the peak wavelengths at which radiation will interact with molecules of each greenhouse gas, and it is also necessary to measure from space the changes in emission of radiation from the Earth’s surface as greenhouse-gas concentrations change. The latter experiments are performed by the Earth Radiation Budget Experiment and by the Clouds and the Earth’s Radiation Experiment Satellite.

Monckton of Brenchley
March 26, 2014 3:07 am

David Johnson mentions the unspeakable Bob Ward, a paid propagandist of the worst kind. I once appeared on a radio programme with him and he brought with him a paper that had recently been published. I had read the paper and was startled when he fundamentally misstated its conclusions. When I reached across the studio table to pick up the paper and remind myself of its contents, he snatched it away.

Monckton of Brenchley
March 26, 2014 3:12 am

“Dr Strangelove” mentions the uncertainty in the aerosol forcing claimed by the IPCC, which it uses as a fudge-factor to justify the failure of the planet to warm as ordered. Murphy et al. (2009) show a graph that extinguishes the entire positive CO2 forcing by assuming that the negative aerosol forcing exactly offsets it. It is only by dodges of this transparent kind that the usual suspects can attempt to maintain that global temperature is highly sensitive to changes in CO2 concentration.

Monckton of Brenchley
March 26, 2014 3:16 am

“Kowalk” and “Twobob” have both rightly mentioned CO2 fertilization as an enormous benefit. Both crop yields and the net primary productivity of plants – i.e. the net global accumulation of tree and plant biomass – have already increased significantly thanks to CO2 fertilization, and the latter change has been observed by satellites. Somehow the IPCC does not make as much of this and other benefits of more CO2 and warmer weather as it should.

March 26, 2014 3:19 am

The aim of this latest manoeuvre is to postpone the day of reckoning, when the lack of any dangerous rise in temperature becomes evident to even the most gullible or dull believers of CAGW. The risk is that a postponement of centuries means that most normal people realize that the thing is a wobbly jelly of a theory that lacks substance and, on balance can be safely ignored.
Their hope is to claim the theory has not been disproved and therefore the money will keep flowing.

AlecM
March 26, 2014 3:28 am

My Dear Lord Monckton,
All process engineers like me, around the World, take one look at the radiative physics used by the IPCC and say ‘How could they have been so stupid?’.
It’s because they have confused a Radiation Field with a net IR energy flux. The ‘Forcing’ argument is totally wrong. In reality, the surface RF and the atmospheric RF combine vectorally (on average taking account of thermal incoherence) to give the net IR flux.
For equal temperatures, there is no net surface IR flux in the self-absorbed GHG bands. Therefore, ‘logarithmic CO2 IR absorption’ does not exist; Radiative Physics 101.
Sorry to be so abrupt, but someone has to tell the Meteorologists and Climate Alchemists that there ain’t no such thing as ‘back radiation’ aka ‘forcing’ as a real energy flux : it’s the potential flux to a sink at absolute zero!
Increase the RF and net surface IR is reduced. In the absence of anything else, the surface temperature has to rise to give more evapo-transpiration and/or convection. However, other processes reduce this temperature rise to near zero; there ain’t no problem for present atmospheric mass!

richardscourtney
March 26, 2014 3:43 am

AlecM:
In your post at March 26, 2014 at 3:28 am you write

For equal temperatures, there is no net surface IR flux in the self-absorbed GHG bands. Therefore, ‘logarithmic CO2 IR absorption’ does not exist; Radiative Physics 101.

Please explain that assertion which seems to make no sense.
“Equal temperatures” of what? And why do you think they matter.
A photon does not ‘know’ the temperature of an object with which it interacts, and an individual CO2 molecule has no temperature.
Explanation of your strange assertions would be appreciated.
Richard

StephenP
March 26, 2014 3:43 am

An interesting article in the Daily Telegraph
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/andrewlilico/100026933/climate-change-the-debate-is-about-to-change-radically/
Also the recent UK budget statement suggested that not paying your BBC licence fee could become a civil rather than a criminal offence. The BBC are none too pleased as it could lead to a considerable loss of income.

pwl
March 26, 2014 4:02 am

Editing correction needed?
“Broadly speaking, the IPCC expects this century’s warming to be equivalent to that from a doubling of CO2 concentration. In that event, 1 Cº is indeed all the warming we should expect from a CO2 doubling. And is that going to be a problem”
The last sentence of the article is cut off (assuming it’s the last sentence of the article and that nothing else follows it that is). Maybe it’s just missing a question mark?

Dr Burns
March 26, 2014 4:07 am

Yawn. Where’s the evidence that CO2 has ever effected climate?

March 26, 2014 4:14 am

What if there can be no change in temperature but instead a change in the atmospheric circulation ?
An application of the Gas Laws would suggest that to be the most likely scenario and it would be entirely consistent with the various propositions that global temperatures are somehow thermostatically constrained.
One would have zero thermal sensitivity for the system as a whole but a shift in the climate zones for regional variations instead.
Should we not be looking at the scale of the anthropogenic shifts in climate zones as compared to natural such shifts rather than focusing on temperature alone ?
With regard to so called ‘radiative forcing’ it seems to me that net radiative fluxes within any atmosphere will always net out to zero as a result of the Gas Laws.
The slope of the adiabatic lapse rate appears to define the positions in the atmospheric vertical column where UWIR and DWIR balance out.
At any given moment there are as many molecules out of position above the lapse rate slope as there are out of position below it so any radiative imbalances in those molecules net out to zero too.
If any overall radiative imbalance does arise then convection simply changes the overall air circulation to negate the imbalance.
That appears to fit with both observations and well known laws of physics both as regards radiative and non radiative methods of energy transfer.
The problem with the purely radiative approach is that it appears to regard convection as having a net cooling effect and so has to introduce the concept of net DWIR.
In practice, the adiabatic portion of convection (most of it) is thermally neutral at the surface because energy removed from the surface during uplift is returned to the surface on descent.
Has radiative theory overlooked the process of adiabatic warming on the descent ?
At any given moment 50% of the atmosphere is rising and 50% is descending as demonstrated by our climate zones with their regions of rising air in low pressure cells and descending air under high pressure cells.

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