From the University of Delaware a press release I just can’t stop laughing about. Of course, they have no real-world tests of this claim, only “their sophisticated climate-weather model”. No numbers were given on turbine “mortality”, so one wonders how many would survive.

Offshore wind turbines could weaken hurricanes, reduce storm surge
Wind turbines placed in the ocean to generate electricity may have another major benefit: weakening hurricanes before the storms make landfall.
New research by the University of Delaware and Stanford University shows that an army of offshore wind turbines could reduce hurricanes’ wind speeds, wave heights and flood-causing storm surge.
The findings, published online this week in Nature Climate Change, demonstrate for the first time that wind turbines can buffer damage to coastal cities during hurricanes.
“The little turbines can fight back the beast,” said study co-author Cristina Archer, associate professor in the University of Delaware’s College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment.
Archer and Stanford’s Mark Jacobson previously calculated the global potential for wind power, taking into account that as turbines are generating electricity, they are also siphoning off some energy from the atmosphere. They found that there is more than enough wind to support worldwide energy demands with a negligible effect on the overall climate.
In the new study, the researchers took a closer look at how the turbines’ wind extraction might affect hurricanes. Unlike normal weather patterns that make up global climate over the long term, hurricanes are unusual, isolated events that behave very differently. Thus, the authors hypothesized that a hurricane might be more affected by wind turbines than are normal winds.
“Hurricanes are a different animal,” Archer said.
Using their sophisticated climate-weather model, the researchers simulated hurricanes Katrina, Isaac and Sandy to examine what would happen if large wind farms, with tens of thousands of turbines, had been in the storms’ paths.
They found that, as the hurricane approached, the wind farm would remove energy from the storm’s edge and slow down the fast-moving winds. The lower wind speeds at the hurricane’s perimeter would gradually trickle inwards toward the eye of the storm. “There is a feedback into the hurricane that is really fascinating to examine,” said Archer, an expert in both meteorology and engineering.
The highest reductions in wind speed were by up to 87 mph for Hurricane Sandy and 92 mph for Hurricane Katrina.
According to the computer model, the reduced winds would in turn lower the height of ocean waves, reducing the winds that push water toward the coast as storm surge. The wind farm decreased storm surge — a key cause of hurricane flooding — by up to 34 percent for Hurricane Sandy and 79 percent for Hurricane Katrina.
While the wind farms would not completely dissipate a hurricane, the milder winds would also prevent the turbines from being damaged. Turbines are designed to keep spinning up to a certain wind speed, above which the blades lock and feather into a protective position. The study showed that wind farms would slow wind speeds so that they would not reach that threshold.
The study suggests that offshore wind farms would serve two important purposes: prevent significant damage to cities during hurricanes and produce clean energy year-round in normal conditions as well as hurricane-like conditions. This makes offshore wind farms an alterative protective measure to seawalls, which only serve one purpose and do not generate energy.
Jacobson and study co-author Willett Kempton, professor in UD’s College of Earth, Ocean and Environment, weighed the costs and benefits of offshore wind farms as storm protection.
The net cost of offshore wind farms was found to be less than the net cost of generating electricity with fossil fuels. The calculations take into account savings from avoiding costs related to health issues, climate change and hurricane damage, and assume a mature offshore wind industry. In initial costs, it would be less expensive to build seawalls, but those would not reduce wind damage, would not produce electricity and would not avoid those other costs — thus the net cost of offshore wind would be less.
The study used very large wind farms, with tens of thousands of turbines, much larger than commercial wind farms today. However, sensitivity tests suggested benefits even for smaller numbers of turbines.
“This is a paradigm shift,” Kempton said. “We always think about hurricanes and wind turbines as incompatible. But we find that in large arrays, wind turbines have some ability to protect both themselves and coastal communities, from the strongest winds.”
“This is a totally different way to think about the interaction of the atmosphere and wind turbines,” Archer said. “We could actually take advantage of these interactions to protect coastal communities.”
The paper, titled “Taming Hurricanes with Arrays of Offshore Wind Turbines,” appears online on Feb. 26 in Nature Climate Change and will be published in print in March.
@Steve says:
February 27, 2014 at 9:56 am
Let’s look at the positive side: some number of graduate students had their scholarships paid while getting premium education in Stanford and UD. I have checked and it seems that overwhelming majority of the grad students at the UD College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment are Americans. In the EE Department of UD with which the last author is affiliated only about 40% of grad students appear to be foreign. That is in comparison to about 70% of foreign graduate students in the Science and Engineering Departments of the major research Universities in the US. So, at least the UD part of the team distributed funding from the US taxpayers to the US students and it is fair. I don’t know status with foreign grad student presence in Stanford… Another positive side: a number of research personnel, engineering and technical personnel, staff assistants, etc. received their salaries from this funding or the associated overhead. Also this funding supported scientific research infrastructure that is needed in order for few truly talented scientists to perform valuable research. Last but not least, this publication provided a lot of fun and entertainment to all of us as the results were announced today in the national news…
The kids who wrote this paper should have read the study from DOE. It’s estimated half of any off-shore windmills built would be destroyed by hurricanes within 20 years.
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/02/06/1111769109
As noted in a Popular Mechanics article the cost to build a hurricane proof windmill would make the endeavor not worth it.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/solar-wind/will-hurricanes-wipe-out-offshore-wind-farms-6655421
This link provides what appears to be for a presentation of their paper.
http://www.energy.udel.edu/wind2013/Jacobson_1302UDelHurrTurb.pdf
How this stuff gets past a peer review is beyond me.
There are two large and powerful forces at work here, hurricane energy and taxpayer resources being flung about.
@rgbatduke
Splendid idea. All kind of things can be wrapped, we only need to scale it up a bit to wrap up the ocean. To cover costs, a special wrapper tax should be introduced, to be balanced against the social cost of wraplessness.
Lots of crude oil would also do an excellent job. Who cares about the environment if Gaia is at stake?
How is a knocked over wind turbine resting in pieces on the bottom of the ocean going to reduce the energy of a passing hurricane? I guess some energy had to go into knocking it over in the first place.
Dagnabbit, I it the bulls**t button so hard it broke. Now I’ll have to but a new one.
‘“The little turbines can fight back the beast,” said study co-author Cristina Archer’
Has Josh seen this paper? Too easy a target, maybe?
I wonder how much of our taxpayer money was wasted on this joke of a “study”??? Seems the wind whackos have finally conceded the fact that wind turbines do cause climate change.
Since industrial wind turbines shut down when winds are above 50 mph or so, and a Category 1 hurricane is winds of 74 mph, they might as well stick tens of thousands of telephone poles out there and argue that the 500 foot-tall poles will stop a hurricane. What are these people smoking???
Jon Boone sums it up nicely in his essay, “Oxymoronic Wind”:
“The juggernaut for the dumb and dim of wind—a defective technology resurrected to sell tax shelters, made in China and assembled by temporary teams of international workers, justified by American and European “scientists,” engineers, gadgeteers, and an assortment of political wonks from both Republicans and Democrats spawned via federal grants to major universities (Stanford/MIT)—is the very apotheosis of Ikeʼs concern. And itʼs all done, much like the derivativeʼs trading schemes in housing and banking, to sell subprime energy–at the publicʼs expense.”
Read the entire article at:
http://alleghenytreasures.com/2011/01/23/jon-boone-oxymoronic-windpower/
I aways enjoy looking at a picture of the scientist, who made lough the whole evening. Thank You, Cristina, thank You.
http://www.google.de/imgres?hl=de&biw=1920&bih=909&tbm=isch&tbnid=g-mjmv0VsoRu4M%3A&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.udel.edu%2Fudaily%2F2013%2Fsep%2Fwind-energy-potential-091012.html&docid=x_LutWxhyvSO0M&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.udel.edu%2Fudaily%2F2013%2Fsep%2Fimages%2Farcher_cristina-09.jpg&w=600&h=401&ei=ipoPU9qVD8mTtAbIn4HgCQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=4936&page=1&start=0&ndsp=44&ved=0CFwQrQMwAQ
Let’s look from a perspective… They proposed this research around 2009, just after Ike and only 4 years after Katrina. Nobody else submitted to the NSF and NASA proposal that suggested study of taming a hurricane on a large scale with technology that (think as in 2009) is increasing in popularity and seems as a very technically promising. This is a winner! Yea, there is there one nerdy geek on the panel that scribbles some estimates showing that it will take 100,000,000,000 turbines to make a noticeable dent in hurricane energy pool… Who cares about this geek… Plus, Stanford and UD are reputable schools. Plus, this proposal does not compete with any of my ideas. The winner!
National Lampoon has been resurrected as Nature Climate Change?
New, improved hurricanes, with added turbine fragments! Coming soon to a coastline near YOU!
I see many positives here but it has already been done—>
“UK Sceptic says:
February 27, 2014 at 1:41 am
I live on the NW coast of England. There is a wind farm just a couple of miles offshore in Morecambe Bay. We had hurricane force winds just a couple of weeks ago and my damaged and destroyed ridge tiles and ripped up fence call BS on Archer’s and Jacobson’s study.”
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UK Skeptic – just think how bad it would have been if you hadn’t had that wind farm breaking up the wind before it hit you. 😏
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“… windfarms will be broken and turned to spikes on the ocean floor surrounded by litter….”
Not a direct quote but the immense benefit is that there will be 180 km or so of debris field that will prevent bottom trawlers from working and great fish habitat for rehabilitating fish stocks. Fantastic idea to get us to pay for enhancing ocean productivity disguised as an energy project. 😜
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For Jeff in Calgary – you have noticed the warm wind blowing in Calgary in spite of that huge “wind farm” just to the west of you?
We already have a HUGE wind farm down the spine of North America (called mountain ranges) that captures wind and water energy, sucking water out of the wind and dropping it on the mountains and the coastal plains (orographic lifting) providing power for millions of people and making Calgary the beneficiary of all that adiabatic heating when the Chinooks roar in across the prairies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinook_wind
So, instead of building wind farms in the ocean, all we have to do is build that old canal down the Rocky Mountain Trench to take water to California and pile all the waste dirt up on the high plains to create more mountains and more water and more Chinook winds to warm them up. Some one update the cost/benefit analysis on that old study. 😖
Apologies in advance/sarc off/ got my laugh for the day.
jauntycyclist says:
February 27, 2014 at 1:10 am
the current warmist narrative to not focus on IF there is climate change [that’s settled science] but to ask what your RESPONSE to climate change is. Anyone who dares to dispute is of course ‘a denier’ thus a ‘crank funded by oil companies’
That’s exactly what Mann said in his Q&A, if my reading comprehension is still working:
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj81/iamzelkova/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpse48a6d3d.jpg
I don’t think he even answered the question. His response was self serving, and I took it as “Don’t question MY work, do different work based on my work.” He flat out said the way to get grants and published papers is to start from the point that man made climate change is real. And the warmists wonder why the skeptics are disgusted? This is what’s being fed to university students.
This Q&A was a better response to that question, no agenda here:
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj81/iamzelkova/Mobile%20Uploads/bceb4063-64f9-4234-9822-ef591e1bd209_zps45235c38.jpg
This is why the 2014 midterm elections are going to be about climate change. Change congress and push through Obama’s agenda. Considering so many people believe in man made climate change I’m very concerned. If they succeed we’ll see things like these wind farms built even if it further bankrupts the country.
Stop the world, I want to get off.
Please excuse me for shouting …
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES!
Piling on is easy and sometimes harmful. But to let something like this twisted fairy tale be published and taken seriously, is degrading to science, engineering, and the intellectual capacity of our country.
In the days past, say 50 or 60 years, the easiest course on campus was sociology. Now, at least at the universities I attended, the guaranteed A or B course on campus is……environmental science studies. Or interdisciplinary studies of the environment, or something like these terms.
Sad, and we are reaping the results of this change.
I don’t need a computer model to tell me that this paper was generated by 40000 monkeys with typewriters.
This is completely preposterous!
I believe we are due a “grant money” refund.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Wow, I really needed that laugh. It’s been a tough day…..
The law of unintended consequences is working here. CAGW was dreamt up as a way redistributing wealth. Now all it is doing is redistributing dimwittedness. We would have been laughed out of engineering school if we had proferred such a solution in our 1st year general engineering class. We were meant to be able to filter out absurd solutions before putting pen to paper.
Oh Gawd, really!? An army of off shore wind turbines! I want a AGW grant. I have lots of bad ideas!
I wonder what the study assumed as the economic life of a wind turbine, and if they considered maintenance and the eventual retirement of them into the cost of building them.
It’s hard for me to say I know much about engineering because I don’t, but this doesn’t really pass the smell test.
The inmates are running the asylum!
(sorry if this highly likely post has already been made)
Reverse the current, turning the turbines into fans.
Yeah! That’s the ticket!
After the array of wind turbines has attempted to do its job, there will be a lot of work required to repair them, stick the blades back on and bend the masts up into place again, ready for the second hurricanes. The videos of the initial collapse will be entertaining.