Paging Lord Deben
I had debated with myself a couple of days as to whether or not to cover this particular bit of ugliness, after it first being brought to my attention by Bishop Hill. But then, Lord Deben of the UK made this observation:
I challenge Lord Deben to find examples of climate skeptics doing anything remotely close to this sort of ugliness that is much like of the tactics of the Klu Klux Klan – showing up at somebody’s house with mask covered faces, torches, and a threat:
Source:
‘The People’ Confront Enbridge Executive In Solidarity With MI CATS 3
http://www.tarsandsblockade.org/enbridge-home-demo/
(update: their website is no longer serving that page, so here it is as a PDF Tar Sands Blockade – Enbridge )
One of these days, they’ll show up at the wrong house, like their comrades did with the wrong petrol station, and the person inside won’t be as tolerant as Mr. Maki was, and that won’t be pretty:
In case Lord Deben doesn’t know, this “tar sands blockade” is an organization that is part of Bill McKibben’s 350.org and their mission to stop Keystone XL due to their concerns about the supposed effect on the climate.
(Update: Amazingly, McKibben supported this action, see screencap below)
And, perhaps Lord Deben doesn’t recall this example of ugliness from like minded people in the UK on climate, who decided that blowing up school children would be a great way to get the message of climate obedience and compliance across:
It was so bad, 10:10 tried to disappear it, but they were unsuccessful.
And, maybe Lord Deben hasn’t seen this:
Lefty Feud Over Keystone Worsens, Ed Schultz Telling Enviros to ‘Go to Hell’
It seems even the left leaning media is realizing the KXL people are going off the rails.
I challenge Lord Deben to find similar examples from climate skeptics. I’ll even given you a guest essay here to highlight it if you like.
Reference:
‘your journey towards the dark side will be complete’ with apologies to “Emperor Palpatine”
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Lord Deben renames skeptics as “climate naysayers”. So we can’t even complain about the climate anymore.
Gareth Phillips says:
February 9, 2014 at 12:51 pm
“Hopefully you are now convinced that i am someone completely different?”
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Nope. I see you quite clearly for who you really are. Go away, troll.
Do none of those nine(!?) anti-pipeline protesters in the picture have the slightest sense of irony? Surely those carbon dioxide unfriendly torches they’re wielding should have been replaced by more eco-friendly dynamo wind-up lights?
Witch Hunt.
Remember it was teenage girls that started the Salem witch trials.
Ah Alan, the irony! What a paradoxical post for the subject of the thread!
Richard, can you give me your name, address telephone numbed, personal email etc? Of course not, however if you did have permission to access my blog you would be privy to important information unrelated to this blog i wish to protect. Looking at some of the responses to my posts which I try to keep civil ( though not always successfully) I would be very foolish to share such details. Have a look at Alan’s post, would you want to share info. in such a situation? Of course not.
Gareth,
Your response was very well written but evasive nonetheless. ( same as your verbal dueling with Richard, no plain answers, only deflection.) I know a lot of people who think they are very clever writers who convey nothing but their egotistical conceit. Once exposed, they are forever compromised and therefore to be dismissed.
ConfusedPhoton says: “Lord Deben is a long time believer in AGW”
Could be….assuming you meant that Deben is a long time believer in Advancing Gummer’s Wealth.
By the way, having read and commented on the Black Swan thread (and others) I am now getting heartily sick of the sight and words of one Gareth Phillips. He brings nothing to debate except disruption and most everything he claims can be countered by letting him have back the many ‘not’s that are missing from his drivel.
How many “climate naysayers” (whatever they are) have publicly suggested that Warmists such as John “BSEburger” Gummer AKA Lord Deben should be killed for their beliefs, as was asserted by Professor Richard Parncutt of the Faculty of Humanities, University of Graz?
Indeed. Deben et al please post the (undoctored) photographs of skeptics with balaclavas.
@richard Courtney 1:36
Dare I suggest a pause?
You are getting sucked in.
Gareth Phillips comes here to defend the indefensible, distract, arm wave and drone on.
Most commenters seem to realize this, he is almost amusement.
Generally I have stopped reading comment under that name.
Many words, nill content.
Unfortunately due to your engaging this distractor, I have had to read its comments to understand yours.
Stop it.
I have learnt nothing new.
Too much of this commentary is now about Gareth, this is a success for this”prolific blogger”.
You have been trolled, let go of the bait.
Gareth Ph1ll1ps:
At February 9, 2014 at 1:45 pm you ask me
Rubbish! Of course I can!
You will find them on the final page of this item
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/reprint/courtney_2006_lecture.pdf
I don’t use the fax much now and you didn’t ask for that but I have supplied it, too. No blog is listed because I don’t have one.
Now about this blog of yours that is so secret?
Richard
I ran a fox index on Gareth WUWT and Sindicatum. They writing style shows a similar mean and variance, so on balance of probabilities they are the same person.
Watching the “people’s” video I thought it was hilarious when Mr. Maki asked them how they got here! They didn’t want to explore their hypocrisy just dismiss it as not the issue.
And he must have been about to explode holding back laughing at them when they started talking about it being “heavier” causing pipes to burst and the number of chemicals.
Hat’s off to Mr. Maki, I doubt I would have been nearly as cordial.
If any of you “people” happen to read this 1) if the demand stops the production stops, so stop driving around harassing people increasing the demand, actually, just stop using fossil fuels entirely. 2) Yoga and exercise don’t remove “chemicals” any more than not doing yoga and exercise. 3) You are made of chemicals, lots of them. 4) If you don’t like where you live … move. 5) Look up a crime’s elements before accusing someone of committing it! 6) If you wish to make a currently legal activity (such as producing, transporting, and selling fossil fuels) illegal there is a process for doing just that and it’s not forming a lynch mob. 7) Look up a little history for some perspective, fossil fuels have given us the greatest life span, standard of living, and quality of life ever in the history of our species, don’t bite the hand that feeds you. 8) Here’s a concept, before confronting someone about an issue, at least look up some basic facts about it. 9) If you wouldn’t want someone showing up at your door at 10:00 at night accusing you of being a murderer because you use fossil fuels then don’t show up at someone else’s door at 10:00 at night accusing them of being a murderer for providing you with the fossil fuels you demand. 10) Some of you in 20 years will probably realize how stupid you sounded in that video; respect your elders, they really do know more than you do. (When I was a teenager a popular saying was “Don’t trust anyone over 30” but I would say “don’t trust anyone under 30”; experience is the best teacher and there is no substitute for maturity.)
Brad says:
February 9, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Gareth,
Your response was very well written but evasive nonetheless. ( same as your verbal dueling with Richard, no plain answers, only deflection.) I know a lot of people who think they are very clever writers who convey nothing but their egotistical conceit. Once exposed, they are forever compromised and therefore to be dismissed.
Brad, ask me a straight question and I will give you a straight answer. Over to you.
Well, the Kalamazoo River oil spill was a most serious incident indeed, exacerbated by an almost incredible level of unprofessional irresponsibility.
There is no excuse for that.
EPA response was likely inadequate as well. They are much better at fighting red herrings like CO2 than actual pollution. Putting it into the very same category, that is, labelling a non toxic substance as “pollutant” effectively dilutes and misdirects efforts to establish a clean and healthy environment. I am afraid that’s the idea behind the entire hullabaloo.
However, cases like this are supposed to be fought at court, not by some self appointed “People’s Army” or whatnot.
Gareth Phillips says:
February 9, 2014 at 1:13 pm
By the way I know this chap is handsome
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you must be his mother.
Richard, it is possible that this is him.
And he contributed to this.
Pat Frank says: @ur momisugly February 9, 2014 at 1:27 pm
….The US has a notably high cancer incidence relative to the rest of the world. So does Canada, though it’s lower than the US. Algeria is at the bottom. It’s not about breathing chemicals. To my eye, cancer rates approximately track societal wealth. Maybe there’s a reportage problem. Maybe there’s a junk-food/leisure time connection….
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Nice information.
The probable reason cancer tracks societal wealth is because it is a disease of the old in many cases. Also the weak babies in the USA and other first world nations live instead of dying before they are five.
The worst country is Afghanistan where 119.41 infants under one year old die per 1,000 live births. (life expectancy 50.11)
The USA is 5.90 (life expectancy 78.62),
Canada 4.78 (life expectancy 81.57)
UK & Australia 4.5. (life expectancy 80.29/81.98)
The lowest is Monaco @ur momisugly 1.81 (life expectancy 89.63)
link
Gareth Phillips says:
February 9, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Ah Alan, the irony!
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Oh, you are so good at what you do (but not good enough to avoid detection, here.) The only thing about you which remains unclear, is whether yours is a meretricious mendacity or if you are only playing your untruthful games for the fun of it. One thing is certain, you are very good at it- you just tried to give yourself the appearance of innocence while denigrating me, as you have done so many times to others in these threads. In any case, your efforts have been successful in a way, because you have managed to take attention away from thread topics and onto yourself, in hopes that some hapless reader may not see the truth of what is presented here.That’s where it all falls apart for you- too many of us are too practiced at spotting the liars and propagandists, no matter how polished and subtle they may be; people just like you. As I said before, troll- I see you for what you are- you may as well take your misdirections and your flawed logic and your innuendos and just go away. You aren’t convincing anyone here of anything.
Gail Combs says:
February 9, 2014 at 2:10 pm
The probable reason cancer tracks societal wealth is because it is a disease of the old in many cases. Also the weak babies in the USA and other first world nations live instead of dying before they are five.
The worst country is Afghanistan where 119.41 infants under one year old die per 1,000 live births. (life expectancy 50.11)
The USA is 5.90 (life expectancy 78.62),
Canada 4.78 (life expectancy 81.57)
UK & Australia 4.5. (life expectancy 80.29/81.98)
The lowest is Monaco @ur momisugly 1.81 (life expectancy 89.63)
link
That is spot on Gail. It also a reason why dementia and other diseases of the older person are more common in developed countries.
john robertson says:
February 9, 2014 at 1:56 pm
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You are correct, of course.
This coyness about Gareth Phillips blog all seems somewhat excessive since it took me all of ten seconds to locate it.
jeez:
re your post at February 9, 2014 at 2:07 pm.
Yes, that could be him. That guy is in the UK. Our character says he is not in the UK which – in the light of his earlier falsehoods – adds to the possibility that it is him.
Richard
Gareth Phillips you need to get in touch with Gareth Phillips. Why? Here are his blog posts in order.
Gareth Phillips has been a naughty carbon boy.
Gareth Phillips says:
February 9, 2014 at 1:57 pm
Brad says:
February 9, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Gareth,
Your response was very well written but evasive nonetheless. ( same as your verbal dueling with Richard, no plain answers, only deflection.) I know a lot of people who think they are very clever writers who convey nothing but their egotistical conceit. Once exposed, they are forever compromised and therefore to be dismissed.
Brad, ask me a straight question and I will give you a straight answer. Over to you.
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Gareth,
is this you? http://www.justgiving.com/GarethPhillips78
In exchange, here is my website: http://www.northwestenergyconsulting.com
If you really want to contribute and not detract from the core discussion, i more than welcome everyone. Just don’t play word games anymore.
Brad