Tail wagging the dog – IPCC to rework AR5 to be 'consistent with the SPM'

Dave Burton writes:

Anthony,

The IPCC replied promptly to my inquiry (below), and they surprised me, twice:

1. They say that the just released “final” draft of the AR5 WG1 Report isn’t really final after all, but the Summary for Policy Makers is final; and

2. They say the “underlying chapters” may be revised for consistency with the SPM.

Does that seem backwards, to you? The SPM is the political statement. The “underlying chapters” are (supposedly) the science. So they’re saying that they may still need to revise the science to make it consistent with the political statement.

OTOH, while they might have low standards for their science, they have remarkably high standards for promptness. They replied just 98 minutes after I emailed them, yet they asked me to “please accept our apology for the late response.”

Dave

 

Dear IPCC WGI TSU,

The AR5 WGI Report has now been released, and we were told that when the Report was released all of the expert reviewer comments would be released as well. But I can’t find them on the web sites. Can you please give me the link(s)?

Thank you,

David Burton

(WG1 expert reviewer, USA)

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From: IPCC WGI TSU <wg1@ipcc.unibe.ch>

Date: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:50 AM

Subject: RE: AR5 WGI Expert Reviewers’ comments

To: ncdave@xxxxxxx.xxx

Cc: IPCC WGI TSU wg1@ipcc.unibe.ch

Dear Mr. Burton,

Thank you for the interest in the Working Group I contribution to the IPCC Fifth Assessment Report.

What has been released so far is the approved Summary for Policymakers as well as the final drafts (version 7 June 2013) of the underlying chapters and the Technial Summary (downloadable free of charge from www.climatechange2013.org). These drafts are still subject to copy edit, error correction and any necessary changes for consistency with the approved SPM. We anticipate that the full report in its finalised and publication-ready form will be released electronically in January 2014. At that time, also all the review comments and responses will become part of the public record and will be posted on our web site.

Please do not hesitate to contact us again should you have further questions.

Thank you again for your interest and please accept our apology for the late response.

Best regards,

IPCC WGI TSU

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October 12, 2013 4:30 pm

@richardscourtney your comment October 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm

PS. Many thanks to those who have posted kind words about me in this thread. I did leave WUWT for a while but succumbed to pressure to return.

Add me to the list of WUWT readers grateful for your return. I find your comments very informative and interesting.

October 12, 2013 7:01 pm

The IPCC is the anti-Science!
The anti-Christ is supposed to fox the gullible into disbelieving God so as to turn humanity against itself and thereby end civilization. The anti-Science IPCC is foxing the gullible into disbelieving Nature.
The IPCC even works in an anti-science way. Scientists work to disprove theories but IPCC only accepts work that proves its theory. This is despite Nature making it patently obvious that the IPCC theory is wrong.
But perhaps I am only half right. What if the IPCC is really the anti-Christ doing the devil’s work to turn humanity against itself during Nature’s latest little ice-age?

TheLastDemocrat
October 12, 2013 7:25 pm

I love seeing intelligent, independent thinkers separate politics from science at the global arena level.Eventually, I hope, most of you will see what problems we have sown from the “West” due to our desire to control global population, country by country.
IPCC 5 has been released. Just wait until The State of the World Population Report, to be released Oct 30!
http://www.unfpa.org/public/home/news/events/pid/13859
Above, Jquip said, “A consultant looks for solutions to your problems. An ideologue looks for problems for their solutions.” The “population” cult has two solutions: birth control pills and abortion. for all, to achieve global population growth goals. Paid for by the Wealthy Of The West. Same song, different verse.
“Overpopulation” has not yet destroyed the planet, or our economy. It was supposed to have brought us down years ago, by many an estimation. Including by the year 2000, per Obama’s Science Czar…
http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/#white_house_statement
“Overpopulation” is a useful myth, propped up by lousy science, by many a projection model, and by a Western elite eager to control the planet. Same as “man-made global warming.” Same.
I hope WUWT readers eventually bridge from the global energy control topic to the global fertility control topic. It is, sadly, quite the same.

hunter
October 12, 2013 7:38 pm

In the AGW fanatic world, the facts are tailored to meet the summary.
Which shows that both the summary and the report have little to do with climate science and everything to do with marketing AGW. The sciencey stuff is for show prop and and sales efforts.
In fact we skeptics have been used to help the political hacks come up with the actual final sciencey parts. Our reaction and analysis to their report has guided the political editors on what needs to be changes and cut to fit the pre-selected outcomes.
I suggest for skeptics to take lots and lots of screen shots. The political rent seekers whose position and fortunes ride on cliamte catastrophe do not hesitate to lie cheat and fabricate to push their money train down the tracks.
AGW true believers and rent seekers are *not* going to just come out and apologize for conning the world out of billions of dollars.
They feel they should be entitled to our money to support their meetings, tenures, research grants, trips, email accounts, etc.
But we should never ever actually see anything but what they want us to see, and will emphatically curse out if we demand otherwise.
Schneider’s advice to lie and cheat to sell science is taken to heart indeed.

wayne
October 12, 2013 8:11 pm

TheLastDemocrat, your comment brought back to mind something I read a few years ago and I didn’t believe it at first but I have check the math, more than once, and it is correct:
If you view every person on Earth as weighing and average of 176 pounds (80 kg), man, woman and child, and view them all as just water of which we are mainly composed, pour that in to fill a cube… that cube would not be but about seven city blocks on a side. Kind of puts it in perspective doesn’t it? Fourteen billion of us would fill a mere one cubic mile. Now compare that to the entire planet Earth ! That thought has always stuck in my mind when the mention of the huge population comes up.
Wait… I just found a much better description thanks to Bing… it’s even visual:
http://eesmyal.com/2012/02/human-cube/

October 12, 2013 8:31 pm

wayne,
That same discussion took place here on this site a while back. It turns out that the entire human population could fit into a sphere of only one kilometer — with room left over.
That puts into perspective the population alarmists’ arm-waving over global resources. The fact is that there are plenty of resources available, and there is nothing to worry about.
Not only that, but the human population will begin declining around 2050 – 2060. At that point, demographics will assert its irrevocable push, and only those who are astute will be able to make hay out of the new paradigm.
Forewarned is forearmed. But only those who pay attention to Occams Razor, and compound interest, and human nature, will be able to profit. The rest are lemmings, and they will get their just desserts.

wayne
October 12, 2013 8:54 pm

dbstealey: Oh how true, we won’t populate forever. That comparison always makes me chuckle. They have fits over that one day us reaching 9 billion as if this world could never make it with !so! many… bs. Just more alarmism.
Don’t take this without checking it but IIRC and you then spread us (collectively) over the entire Earth’s surface land the thickness is in the micron range. But since many of those alarmist also care less for humanity guess that may be where they got the strange idea that we are really a virus to be stomped out. ;(

AntonyIndia
October 12, 2013 10:54 pm

Changes to the Underlying Scientific – Technical Assessment to ensure consistency with the approved Summary for Policymakers proposed on September 26th 2013: http://www.climatechange2013.org/images/uploads/P36Doc4_WGI-12_Changes-Underlying-Assessment.pdf

policycritic
October 12, 2013 11:52 pm

I don’t understand why the scientists who contribute to the IPCC report aren’t complaining.

lgl
October 12, 2013 11:58 pm

But is the IPCC likely, very likely, or extremely likely mostly politics?

October 13, 2013 12:28 am

policycritic:
At October 12, 2013 at 11:52 pm you say

I don’t understand why the scientists who contribute to the IPCC report aren’t complaining.

They were selected as AGW-supporters who will do the job which provides many perks; e.g. status, ‘fame’, international travel, time in 1st class hotels, etc.,
Richard

October 13, 2013 12:32 am

lgl:
At October 12, 2013 at 11:58 pm you ask

But is the IPCC likely, very likely, or extremely likely mostly politics?

No. The IPCC’s own documents say the IPCC is certainly entirely politics.
See my above post at October 12, 2013 at 10:26 am: this link jumps to it
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/10/12/tail-wagging-the-dog-ipcc-to-rework-ar5-to-be-consistent-with-the-spm/#comment-1445687
Richard

lgl
October 13, 2013 12:40 am

Richard
“the IPCC is certainly entirely politics”
I find that extremely unlikely 🙂

October 13, 2013 11:07 am

“R. de Haan says: October 12, 2013 at 2:30 pm

‘Massa cuss etts’ is the right place for that clueless parrot in a suit.
With respect to all the speakers of truth here, (e.g. Richard S Courtney, Tim Ball, __Jim, Richard Tol, and an inspirational wonderful lot of others…):
IPCC is following accepted climate science procedures; who knew that consensus means collusion and science means cyclonic delusional spin with synthetic picante hype added for flavor.
As another above asked; where’s the transparency?? Will we be able to review before, during and after records and comments?

October 13, 2013 11:44 am

Seeing the Dept. of Truth aka ‘Mini-true’ in action. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqWmUUkw56A

October 13, 2013 12:58 pm

richardscourtney says:
October 12, 2013 at 10:26 am
The subject of this thread is not news. It has been the custom and practice of the IPCC for all of its Reports to be amended to agree with the political summaries. This is documented by the IPCC and did not require emails to learn of it. Indeed, I have repeatedly explained it in WUWT threads over recent weeks.
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George Orwell could have written a great story about the inner workings of the IPCC.

October 13, 2013 1:03 pm

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7 says:
October 12, 2013 at 4:30 pm
@richardscourtney your comment October 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm
PS. Many thanks to those who have posted kind words about me in this thread. I did leave WUWT for a while but succumbed to pressure to return.
Add me to the list of WUWT readers grateful for your return. I find your comments very informative and interesting.
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I will second that thought!

bushbunny
October 13, 2013 7:18 pm

In academic circles, and those of you that have trodden the hallowed halls of disbelief, like me will testify? It is common particularly in the Arts and archaeology fields, that corrupting the data to suit the hypothesis, all too often is used. Academics have to publish, doesn’t matter if their papers are a load of make belief and manipulation, Of course in someways data is not complete, and as time goes by more scientific evidence comes to light that changes the original hypothesis. The only ones who can spot these problems are those who are experts in the same field. Back in 2003 to complete by BA majoring in archaeology and palaeoanthropology I took a 100 level unit externally ‘The Earth in Crisis?” The coordinator told us that droughts and water shortage were going to be a problem for some cities, because of solar activity. Temperatures in cities will be higher because of the Urban Heat Islands they create. Large areas of rainforest in South America being cut down and converted to agriculture shift precipitation patterns. And the affect on local and regional landscapes through damming large rivers such as the Nile and Asswan Lake Nasser. This destroyed the Delta fishing industry for thirty years, increased stagnated water areas and malaria and that snail infestation. They developed a vaccine for the latter. Pollution in cities like Bangkok. Uncontrolled surface coal fires cause not only pollution but also the Indonesian Bush fires that raged for 4 years. The prime areas were Indonesia, India and China. But CO2 was not a problem, but pollution was. This was a first year 100 level First year!
Then along came Al Gore and the IPCC. The principal was to make money out of green energy and carbon credits. So the story goes on. There is non so blind that those who can not see!