Oh, this is rich. via Junkscience.com, Mann claimed he was “baited” into filing a lawsuit.
Satirical cartoon from Cartoonsbyjosh.com
Michael Mann filed three briefs last week in the ongoing defamation lawsuit. In one he claims:
In view of the defendants’ initial public bravado regarding Dr. Mann, their latest attempt to avoid a trial on this matter rings hollow–and basic principles of equity and fairness should estop them from now seeking an appeal. Defendants baited Dr. Mann to file this lawsuit.
After he asked for a retraction and apology, the defendants told their readers that they would welcome a lawsuit because it would give them the opportunity to take discovery from Dr. Mann and his colleagues.
They boasted they would hire dedicated staff to sift through that discovery and make it publicly available.1 They raised hundreds of thousands of dollars from their readers to pursue this discovery. They proclaimed they would “kick” Dr. Mann’s “legal heinie” in court.
LEGAL_17107968v1_OppositiontoMotionforInterlocutoryCertification Click for the brief.
One only has to look at Dr. Mann’s Twitter account to see examples of his ‘climate baiting’ in action on a daily basis. #kochmachine #kochtopus #deniers #antiscience, etc.
Dr. Mann is conflating satire at his hockeystick driven web antics with defamation. His claim of “baiting” is nothing more than a psychological projection of his own immature actions and he seems clueless that his own super-sized monolithic ego is the reason that he’s in the position he’s in.
As Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. once quipped:
If Michael Mann did not exist, the skeptics would have to invent him.
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Robert Clemenzi says:
August 19, 2013 at 5:39 pm
“Basically, if they wanted to see his papers in discovery, then why are they trying to stop this before they have seen anything?”
The lawyers are in charge now. They are making the decisions. What is going on now is procedural.
No, because Mann’s facial hair is correctly called a Van Dyke. A Goatee doesn’t include a mustache. Amazing how many people get that wrong. “The Tethered Van Dyke” would incorrectly conjure visions of a comedic actor from the 60s and later. 😉
@hunter 11.25 pm aug 19.
I thought that due to GW Kangaroos were extinct.
Thanks hoser That is a great memory love it LOL
Robert Clemenzi says:
August 19, 2013 at 5:39 pm
“It seems everyone is missing the point – it was the defendants that asked for the dismissal, not Mann.”
I agree. Everybody comments on the whining but the whining by Mann is not issue at hand in this brief.
Yes Robert Clemenzi, I saw that from the start….many didn’t
Get lawsuit dismissed casting doubt on Mann’s work and making him look like an hysterical child. That didn’t work, dismissal denied..
Next will be proceed to trial and discovery.
So Mann is crowing now and is either bluffing or truly has nothing to hide. We shall see.
I did not know that Columbia Law School had a Center for Climate Change Law. But it should be expected. There are lawyers expecting to specialize in compliance to the legions of expected “climate change prevention and mitigation” laws and regulations, and in righteous litigation against those who recklessly endanger others by daring to release carbon dioxide and methane.
I doubt lawyers will be suing others for breathing and farting, as that shall eventually be covered by the personal climate impact fee (advance warning, fatties pay more). Although they may be arguing about the final emissions tax as burial at sea would cause the least climate damage.
On CLS’ CCCL’s Climate Law Blog, a summer intern posted this readable report of the ruling.
I like this bit at the end, bold added:
Upside-down proxies, numerous math errors, improper weightings of proxies, the “flat handle, unprecedented blade” hockey stick now discredited and not used by the IPCC…
So even if you disagree with the result of an investigation, even if later evidence surfaces, it will be ruled against you that you “knew it was a fact” that everything really was honest and true?
Baited into baiting? You got PC, DC, and perhaps the stupidest judge in the Western Hemisphere. Appeal? Hah.
There will be discovery. It just hasn’t been discovered how yet.
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Hoser at 1:24pm you sent me on a rabbit hole-ish trip down memory lane, and I thank you for it!
I predict discovery will be a colossal disappointment. Anything Mann releases will have been vetted by a half-dozen lawyers, nothing controversial will make it out.
Is that fair? No. Is that consonant with rule of law and equal protection? No. Welcome to 2013. This isn’t a republic anymore — we aren’t represented, we’re ruled. Even laws the Obama admin itself passed are being ignored when inexpedient.
The mistake here is thinking statists will play by your rules, or any rules. They will not. Rules only exist to benefit them and punish you; if they don’t have that effect then the rules do not apply.
I’m not criticizing. You didn’t have any good choices. But by entering that courtroom you’re on Leviathan’s turf now, boys. God help you.
“Defendants baited Dr. Mann to file this lawsuit.”
Now look what you made me do!
Noble Mann baits Mann.
My guess is that there are some very nervous university governors out there. Discovery could mean disaster for more than the hockey player.
Jeff Alberts says:
August 19, 2013 at 10:27 pm
I stand corrected; thanks for the education. WUWT is always teaching us stuff.
Can somebody write a brief history / summary of this law suit? Who is suing who and what it is all about.
Ken Harvey says: @ur momisugly August 20, 2013 at 8:58 am
My guess is that there are some very nervous university governors out there. Discovery could mean disaster for more than the hockey player.
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You did not follow the Zimmerman trial. The Judge can rule information like the person’s criminal record is not germane.
A friend with a foster kid went to court to prevent the kid’s father unsupervised access to the kid. The Court ruled the fact the father had been convicted of battering a sibling so bad the kid had brain damage as not germane/admissible evidence in court. The Father got unsupervised access. (Yeah it was the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts)
Chris Schoneveld says:
Robert Clemenzi says:
August 19, 2013 at 5:39 pm
“It seems everyone is missing the point – it was the defendants that asked for the dismissal, not Mann.”
I agree. Everybody comments on the whining but the whining by Mann is not issue at hand in this brief.
Mann is, in this brief, essentially admitting that he is not in control of his own actions and is subject to being “baited” into taking actions such as filing a lawsuit.
The rest is procedural legalese – the text in bold is the focus of most folk’s discussion.
My conjecture is that Mann is burning at an alarming rate through the alleged Scott Mandia managed legal fund supposedly sponsored by the Union of Concerned Scientists. Is the Union of Concerned Scientists now really concerned primarily that their money is being totally wasted by Mann?
John
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Some other thoughts on Mann in general:
‘Damaged Goods’ is what the CIA would say of duplicitous agents.
‘Debunked Goods’, well past any useful alarmist ‘Sell-By’ date, is what the IPCC finally seems to consider the value of Mann’s embrassingly inept efforts at Hockey Sticks.
‘Scandalous PSU Goods’ is the image Mann has created for himself in publicizing, through litigation, the PSU investigation committee’s crude coverup of his unprofessional activities in climategate.
‘No Good’ is what the scientific community has achieved in not adequately self-correcting in public for the current public awareness of Mann’s unprofessional research.
John
Hey, always glad to help! Hope I didn’t sound too aggressive, that’s why I added the smiley.
“A Tale of Two Climate HockeySticks” By S. Fred Singer
http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/a_tale_of_two_climate_hockeysticks.html