EPIC weather reportng FAIL at International Business Times

I would not have believed this unless I had seen it with my own eyes. Below is the screencap. There are just no words for this level of stupid.


Source: http://www.ibtimes.com/tropical-storm-flossie-2-dead-north-carolina-after-flossie-barrels-through-us-mainland-storm-touches

(Yes the story is STILL THERE)

Meanwhile back in reality, the Baltimore Sun gets it right (as if that is hard):

The former tropical storms Dorian and Flossie are similarly facing unfavorable conditions thousands of miles apart, making it unlikely either will regenerate into tropical cyclones.

Dorian, which late last week was tracking toward the Bahamas with 60 mph winds, had a 20 percent chance of regaining tropical storm strength within the next 48 hours, National Hurricane Center forecasters said Tuesday morning. The storm’s remnants were disorganized thunderstorms a few hundred miles east and northeast of Turks and Caicos.

Flossie passed over the Hawaiian islands Monday, weakening into a tropical depression. Forecasters expect the storm to remain a depression for the next day or so, but to dissipate within three days.

The flooding in North Carolina was caused by flash flooding from a line of thunderstorms:

A series of thunderstorms moving across western North Carolina has triggered what meteorologists are calling major flash flooding. The Charlotte Observer reported that parts of Catawba and surrounding counties were under water Saturday.





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July 30, 2013 11:08 am

Clearly a little problem with geographical knowledge here…

Mark Bofill
July 30, 2013 11:18 am

Oh, picky picky! It made good copy!

July 30, 2013 11:20 am

So Much Hot Air, but it is coming from Donaldson!

July 30, 2013 11:20 am

And you thought that only CO2 had supernatural powers. Hurricanes, even weak ones, can morph into superstorms that can leap tall continents in a single bound!

Mark Bofill
July 30, 2013 11:21 am

Was the storm ‘barrelling through the US mainland’ to hit Hawaii supposed to be because of AGW? Ladies and gentlemen – another miracle, praise CO2, another miracle!

July 30, 2013 11:21 am

SOMEONE has to hold down the left side of a ‘Bell curve’ *; we now have our representative in this category.
* A Gaussian function, a specific kind of function whose graph is a bell-shaped curve.
See also: “The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life”

July 30, 2013 11:26 am

Warmists will believe anything ….

Gene Selkov
July 30, 2013 11:31 am

Let the coachman know geography. It’s not a noble thing to know.

July 30, 2013 11:34 am

No doubt they verified the facts with their meteorological expert Mo War Ming!

Ian W
July 30, 2013 11:35 am


July 30, 2013 11:40 am

The first sentence now reads Two people in North Carolina were killed over the weekend when Tropical Storm Flossie heavy rains flooded the Piedmont area, prompting officials to declare a state of emergency.
There’s still a fair amount of confusion trying to blend two stories into one (and the headline writer helps by including a tornado with Storm Touches Down In Hawaii).

July 30, 2013 11:42 am

This is really a head scratcher. Surely there’s no way that idiot really thought this was accurate in any way. It reads like The Onion; as a parody of CAGW alarmism.
Bizarre in any case.

July 30, 2013 11:44 am

A good discussion of the “Dorian saga” is here: http://sunriseswansong.wordpress.com/2013/07/29/dorians-ghost-still-haunting/

July 30, 2013 11:49 am

WOW! A storm that passed all the way across the mainland and then reformed off the pacific coast would be something! Sorry I missed it. I was snoozing.

July 30, 2013 11:54 am

Flossie got caught up in a Sharknado, and the sharks gently lowered it back down after it passed over California.

July 30, 2013 11:58 am

So these are the people writing the “it’s global warming, stupid” articles? Makes sense.

July 30, 2013 11:58 am

It’s called ‘multitasking’ – talking about several different thinkgs at once, in the same sentence. It is also called ‘political rhetoric’ or ‘dissociative schizophrenia’ in other contexts. 🙂

July 30, 2013 11:59 am

Story has gone now and the url has altered to http://www.ibtimes.com/do-not-publish-tropical-storm-flossie-2-dead-north-carolina-after-flossie-barrels-through-us-1362291
I hope they thanked you for the education.

July 30, 2013 12:01 pm

Just tried the original. Access is now denied. Shame that nothing ever dies on the net.

M Courtney
July 30, 2013 12:04 pm

Come on.
This is just a complete muck up by someone who was having a bad day.
We all have bad days sometimes.
These guys got a little geographically mixed up. No big problem.
My thoughts are with the families of the two real victims of the weather in the US.

July 30, 2013 12:09 pm

If the author has the correct socio/political opinions or belongs to a protected group one can be sure that his/her hand is being held and comforting words are being cooed, “Everybody makes mistakes, you’ll do better next time.”

July 30, 2013 12:10 pm

Is it a new thing to describe flooding as flash flooding? Surely flooding is always rapid by the nature of it? Well most of the time anyway. Is this flash business all just part of the climate change narrative?

John West
July 30, 2013 12:14 pm

We’re actually in a flood drought here in NC:
No doubt the decreasing trend in floods is due to Global Warming. (/sarc)

July 30, 2013 12:15 pm

Did Obama fire his speech writers?

DC Cowboy
July 30, 2013 12:22 pm

That baby was traveling FAST to be able to flood North Carolina on Saturday and hit Hawaii on Monday ~ 4,719 miles in 48 hours ~ 98mph. Is that a new speed record for a tropical storm?
They say ‘The Stupid, it burns’ but, in this case it burns like the interior of the earth (At Al Gore’s temperatures). 🙂

Tom in Florida
July 30, 2013 12:24 pm

Obviously Carey Vanderborg (by line) is a blonde. Carey only missed it by……. that much.

July 30, 2013 12:27 pm

With news media like these, who needs comedians?

July 30, 2013 12:37 pm

Quick question: In these turbulent times of weather pattern change, has there been any Hurricanes yet this year?

gary turner
July 30, 2013 12:45 pm

Duncan says:
July 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Is it a new thing to describe flooding as flash flooding? Surely flooding is always rapid by the nature of it?
Not at all. Most flooding occurs as an overall rise in waters as from a lengthy/heavy rain. Flash floods are commonly the result of heavy rains on the watershed causing excessive runoff to create a sudden rise in creek and river levels. Since the flooding may occur where it’s not even raining, by simply being downstream, it can be especially dangerous. Rains in hilly or mountainous terrain can cause terrible destruction in the downstream flatlands.

July 30, 2013 12:46 pm

Nobody notice that there might be Sum Ting Wong with their sources?
Ho Lee Fuk!
Bang Ding Ow on some heads to follow.

July 30, 2013 12:46 pm

Traditionally the titles/headlines were created by the EDITORS, not the reporters. (Something which makes this even funnier while also scarier.)

July 30, 2013 1:01 pm

Send them a boat load of money for mass transit and high speed rail. They deserve it for the climate damage they suffered. And that is just the warm up for the next real storm. Testing, Testing

July 30, 2013 1:02 pm

State University of New York at Plattsburgh owes somebody a refund and apology though it seems clear Carey should probably have been a deserving exception to the No Child Left Behind policy so as to not become the embarrassment he is.

July 30, 2013 1:02 pm

@ Duncan: Flash Flooding and Flooding are indeed separate phenomena and have been for a long time; it’s not a CAGW thing.
Flash flooding is typically related to exceptional heavy and possibly highly localized rainfall events; they can be very, fast, on the order of tens of minutes, as opposed to hours. Normally low or dry river beds may, for example, suddenly fill and overtop their banks, or low-lying areas may fill because the drainage system (often designed for a particular storm, such as a 10-year statistical return period and at some “one-hour” average rainfall intensity) can’t cope with the significantly greater rainfall event that only happens less frequently (again, on a statistical basis). The Trinity River in the Dallas-Ft Worth Metroplex is subject to flash flooding, as I recall, as are other areas. Flash floods may result from a particularly intense thunderstorm, but that same storm is unlikely to trigger traditional flooding, which is usually a buildup of water levels over a period of many hours or days. Note that designing for larger storms gets hugely expensive very fast.
Flash flooding in the Cincinnati area about a decade ago caused a number of deaths as car engines flooded out and occupied vehicles were swept away, or their occupants were overpowered by water flow crossing a roadway when they attempted to flee on foot. We also had in that particular set of storms, very many homes with indoor pools where there used to be basements. In one case, the water came into the house so fast that the teenager who had been sleeping there lost her life because the water rose so fast she could not get to and up the stairs (in the dark after the power failed).

July 30, 2013 1:12 pm

Why does AGW headlines remind me of this all the time?

July 30, 2013 1:18 pm

This reminds me of that classic John Belushi speech from 1978’s ‘Animal House’…
“Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?!”
“Germans?” “Forget it, he’s rolling.”
Don’t let a poor sense of geography get in the way of a big story.

Fred from Canuckistan
July 30, 2013 1:22 pm

Mann have a new job?
Or Hansen?

July 30, 2013 1:26 pm

I spent the weekend in Catawba County (Newton) this weekend. No one mentioned that very heavy rain and flooding was caused by a Pacific tropical storm. My kids would have been much more impressed that they knew were navigating roads flooded by Flossie than a mean line of thunderstorms.
At least the local weather folks got it right.
I’m not sure about NC’s flood drought, but Newton got a lot of rain over the July 4 weekend, with, I believe, minor flooding. It’s been a bit wetter this summer than in the past few.

John Blake
July 30, 2013 1:29 pm

This just in: Chelyabinsk meteor strike drops boatloads of Japanese carp directly on North Carolina weather forecasters. Commentators assert, “Global Climate Models forecast just this event, aggravated by flatulence in newsroom areas off-limits to FOI requests.”

July 30, 2013 1:35 pm

Some weird new quantum effect, I imagine.

July 30, 2013 1:49 pm

Got the planet right. Give ’em props where they are due ;o)

July 30, 2013 2:00 pm

Living in the upstate of SC, I believe this line of storms went through our area too and our boys, along with a friend, couldn’t resist playing in the flooded stream in our back yard…with significant supervision and *after* it had gone down a lot!comment image
The storm and flooding came up very quickly.

July 30, 2013 2:14 pm

Butterfly flaps it’s wings in the Amazon……the giant red spot on Jupiter gets a bit bigger..er or summat…

July 30, 2013 2:28 pm

Do we have a “picture of Dorian Grey”scale?
I didn’t know Teleportation was a reality.
Flossie sounds like she could get between my teeth.

July 30, 2013 3:20 pm
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July 30, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Anthony, as per ZootCadillac says:
July 30, 2013 at 11:59 am

Gary Hladik
July 30, 2013 3:37 pm

Carey Vanderborg’s next job will be Federal judge! 🙂

John F. Hultquist
July 30, 2013 3:50 pm

James Taranto of the WSJ uses a headline in his Best of the Web report called “Someone set us up the bomb” or something close to that. Under this are headlines or lead-ins that make no sense because the writer, perhaps, knowing what he or she wanted to say did not know how to say it. Reporters and headline writers should know that words have meanings. The person or people responsible for this nonsense should go to remedial writing school.

July 30, 2013 4:27 pm

Gone – like it never happened. Cowards didn’t even apologize. That isn’t unexpected and is a marker of a systemic problem with MSM and climate hysteria reporting. It is that kind of reporting that gets people killed or convinces them to stop listening (which can get them killed, too).

July 30, 2013 4:41 pm

Darn that Climate Chaos(TM), ANYTHING can happen now!

Chad Wozniak
July 30, 2013 4:51 pm

Gee, global warming must really have accelerated continental drift, to bring North Carolina up under Hawaii like that. /sarc

July 30, 2013 5:20 pm

Give Carey Vanderborg a break. Were all of you at your best at 8:18 on a Monday morning?
On the other hand, I doubt I could make this mistake at 2:00 AM, after a wild Friday night turns into a Saturday.
On the third hand, Carey’s mistake makes my own blunders look a little less stupid, in comparison. Therefore I am thankful for the Carey’s in the world, (except for the ones that wield political power.)

July 30, 2013 5:25 pm

This story needs to be tagged “Jump the Land Shark”.

Lew Skannen
July 30, 2013 5:30 pm

Wow. Bigger than the permanent storm that makes up the eye of Jupiter.

James at 48
July 30, 2013 5:30 pm

The US … a wild tropical place, one of the sunburnt countries where Don Juan is found … strange things happen there!

Gary Pearse
July 30, 2013 5:51 pm

Well Hawaii, Florida, the Carolinas – these are the sunny warm states aren’t they? How far apart could they be?

July 30, 2013 6:30 pm

For the geographically challenged, Hawaii is the next state west of North Carolina. They can drive there if they like. Unfortunately, I have actually met people who appear to believe that version of geography. Nothing else will surprise me.

July 30, 2013 6:55 pm

This is not a joke.
At an NCAA womens softball championship game I asked on of the players from a California team what part of California the team was from?
The response: “The top of California.”
They walk among us and vote and will possibly be the future leaders of this country.

July 30, 2013 7:36 pm

“Journalists” are people who get paid to fill media with hype to sell ad space and attract and maintain readers.
This sort of article is just a great example of why forgetting quality of hype is the key flaw in the media industry business model.

July 30, 2013 7:48 pm

My hometown of Hickory got absolutely throttled by rain/flood. I had no idea it was from a PAcific tropical storm. Learn something new every day.
I am currently living in Roanoke, VA. By the 15th of July, we had already exceeded 2012’s rain total by 6″. Wettest year I have ever seen. We may hit 50″.

July 31, 2013 12:12 am

Latest weather from Hawaii

July 31, 2013 12:21 am

Everyone except the Environment Canada loves the weather: Sunshine has now become “extreme weather”
Vancouverites have been walking on sunshine for the whole of July as the month breaks records Wednesday and becomes the sunniest and possibly the driest the city has ever been.
Vancouver has had almost 400 hours of sunlight in July, surpassing the 388-hour record set in 1985.
And if not a single drop of rain falls by 11 p.m. Wednesday, July will also become the city’s driest month ever.
“This has been the most ideal weather I’ve ever experienced. We get to walk, cycle and garden all day,” said Garry Wolfater, who moved to Vancouver 38 years ago. “I wouldn’t mind having this until November.”
Like Vancouver, Victoria is also on the brink of breaking its record for sunniest and driest month ever recorded with 422 hours of sun and a rainless July.
But while the dry, sunny spell has allowed residents to bask under the sun longer, Environment Canada meteorologist David Jones said the extreme weather has had some negative effects on the environment.

July 31, 2013 1:11 am

Incidentally does anyone knows if a hurricane has ever managed to cross the Panama Isthmus and actually been a hurricane in both the Atlantic and the Pacific?
It seems to me that this might possibly happen if the conditions were just right.

July 31, 2013 3:35 am

It’s amusing to read the comments conflating the geographical and meteorological ignorance displayed in the article with those who espouse the demonstrated and accepted facts and realities of climate change (including 98% of atmospheric scientists, who should know). In my experience, wholesale geographical and meteorological ignorance combined with a grasp of zero actual facts such as what appears in the article is the sole province of the climate change denial crowd.

Reply to  Joe Golonka
July 31, 2013 6:26 am

@joe Golonka – except the evidence before you clearly shows it is not. So either your expereince is very limited, or you are lying. Or perhaps you cannot comprehend what you just read?
Interesting. But I will not make an asinine generalization about alarmists based upon your rantings.

John West
July 31, 2013 4:54 am

@ Joe Golonka
Please provide with citation what “98% of atmospheric scientists” accept as “demonstrated and accepted facts and realities of climate change”.

July 31, 2013 5:17 am

tty says:
July 31, 2013 at 1:11 am

Incidentally does anyone knows if a hurricane has ever managed to cross the Panama Isthmus and actually been a hurricane in both the Atlantic and the Pacific?
It seems to me that this might possibly happen if the conditions were just right.

They have, generally not at Panama, which doesn’t get hit by many hurricanes. When the storm reaches the Pacfic, it’s renamed to fit into the eastern Pacific name list.
It should be an easy search to find examples or a full list of named storms.

Mickey Reno
July 31, 2013 8:40 am

Joe Golonka, WUWT certainly gets its share of commenters who exhibit a bit of Shadenfreude when the other side makes a mistake. I hope at least that you’d agree this was a pretty major mistake, even if the consequences of the mistake are trivial. A blog that doesn’t aggressively censor cannot avoid this type of behavior.
That people self-select the things they want to read, and tend to cluster with like-minded people, reading articles that intrique them is also not surprising. But I have tried to engage many times on “Real”Climate and on Greg Laden’s blog, only to have my reasonable comments and contradictions completely deleted. This is a far worse offense, IMO.
If you want to see a discrepancy in qualitative communication levels, and decision making around what constitutes “unhelpful” comments, you really should go over and read the Bore Hole comments at RealClimate. There are some brilliant observations and penetrating questions in those threads (not saying all, of course) and yet, Gavin and Eric and Mike sh**can them, because they cannot tolerate questioning of “the narrative” or “the cause.” Greg Laden and John Cook also do the same thing, and you see much less dissent in their comment threads. Over time, direct censorship eliminates some dissent, but mostly people who dissent are disenfranchised, and so correctly (IMO) conclude that those blogs are nothing more than propaganda echo chambers, not places to learn or participate.
This is why WUWT is so popular compared to RealClimate or SkepticalScience. I was checking out SkepticalScience the other day after reading some additional ClimateGate material, and they don’t have a link to a single ClimateGate e-mail, as they pretend to authoritatively dismiss all negative criticism of “Real”Climate scientits in their pertinent articles. Their tacit message, “don’t read the incriminating evidence, just accept what we tell you about it.” This sort of controlling mindset is thick in the CAGW world. It’s an infected pustule on all honest debate.
Anyway, check out the Bore Hole, and SkepticalScience’s articles on ClimateGate, to see that I’m not BS’ing you. After you read some of the censored comments (on Greg Laden’s blog, you never see them, so you’ll never know what was posted) ask yourself if you prefer free discussions, wherein you’ll always get some degree of chortling and Shadenfreude (I confess to have these myself, from time to time – and by the way, for more examples of this, check out climate related comments at ThinkProgress, DailyKos, Huffington Post, DeSmogBlog, BadAstronomy), or if you’d rather have discussions lorded over by gate-keepers like Michael Mann and Gavin Schmidt, Greg Laden and John Cook. Maybe you’ll start to prefer this forum, as opposed to one in which the operators can’t hide their inclinations as thin-skinned, totalitarian-minded control-freaks?

Mumble McGuirk
July 31, 2013 10:08 am

tty says:
July 31, 2013 at 1:11 am
Incidentally does anyone knows if a hurricane has ever managed to cross the Panama Isthmus and actually been a hurricane in both the Atlantic and the Pacific?
It seems to me that this might possibly happen if the conditions were just right.

July 31, 2013 5:30 pm
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