
Note: if the name below is familiar to you it is because of this article from Monday. This will be a sticky post for a day or two, new stories will appear below this one– Anthony
Guest essay by Jonathan Abbott
Please allow me to recount the details of my personal path to CAGW scepticism. I have never previously found myself at odds with the scientific mainstream and at times it feels quite odd. Perhaps others here have similar experiences? I am curious to know how fellow-readers came to their current views. If some have gone from genuine scepticism to accepting CAGW, I would find that especially fascinating.
My own story begins at school in England in the early 80s. Between playing with Bunsen burners and iron filings, I remember being told that some scientists predicted that we would soon enter a new ice age. This sounded quite exciting but I never really thought it would happen; I was too young then to have seen any significant change in the world around me and it all seemed rather far-fetched. A nuclear war seemed far more likely. Soon enough the whole scare melted away.
I grew up into a graduate engineer with an interest in most branches of science but especially physics. I read the usual books by Sagan, Feynman and later Dawkins (whose The Ancestor’s Tale I simply can’t recommend highly enough). I also dipped into philosophy via Bertrand Russell. I like to think this reading helped build upon the basic capabilities for critical thinking my education had provided.
I suppose it was in the early 90s that I first noticed predictions of global warming and the associated dire warnings of calamities to come. Some of these emanated from the Met Office and so I knew should be treated with a pinch of salt but other sources included NASA, which I then personally still very much respected; despite the space shuttle evidently being the wrong concept poorly executed, their basic scientific expertise seemed unquestionable. In general I was looking forward to the warmer climate predicted for the UK, and assumed that the overall effects for the globe wouldn’t necessarily all be bad.
Now, being English I knew all about the vagaries of the weather, but the warnings about CAGW always seemed to be made in the most certain terms. Was it really possible to predict the climate so assuredly? The global climate must be an extremely complex system, and very chaotic. I had recently heard about financial institutions that were spending vast sums of money and picking the very best maths and programming graduates, but still were unable to predict the movements of financial markets with any confidence. Predicting changes to the climate must be at least as difficult, surely? I bet myself climate scientists weren’t being recruited with the sort of signing-on bonuses dangled by Wall Street. I also thought back to the ice age scare, which was not presented as an absolute certainty. Why the unequivocal certainty now that we would only see warming, and to dangerous levels? It all started to sound implausible.
The whole thing also seemed uncertain on the simple grounds of common sense. Could mankind really force such a fundamental change in our environment, and so quickly? I understood that ice ages could come and go with extreme rapidity, and that following the scare of my childhood, no one seriously claimed to be able to predict them. So in terms of previous natural variability, CAGW was demonstrably minor in scale. It seemed obvious that if natural variability suddenly switched to a period of cooling, there would be no CAGW no matter what the effect of mankind on the atmosphere. Even more fundamentally, how could anyone really be certain that the warming then taking place wasn’t just natural variability anyway? The reports I read assured me it wasn’t, but rarely in enough detail to allow me to decide whether I agreed with the data or not.
The other thing that really got me thinking was seeing the sort of people that would appear on television, proselyting about the coming tragedy that it would imminently become too late to prevent. Whether from charities, pressure groups or the UN, I knew I had heard their strident and political use of language, and their determination to be part of the Great Crusade to Save the World before. These were the CND campaigners, class war agitators and useful fools for communism in a new guise. I suddenly realised that after the end of the Cold War, rather than slinking off in embarrassed fashion to do something useful, they had latched onto a new cause. The suggested remedies I heard them espouse were always socialist in approach, requiring the installation of supra-national bodies, always taking a top-down approach and furiously spending other peoples’ money. They were clearly eager participants in an endless bureaucratic jamboree.
Now don’t get me wrong: a scientific theory is correct or not regardless of who supports it. But recognising the most vocal proponents of CAGW for what they were set alarm bells ringing, and made me want to investigate further. I had always been somewhat sympathetic towards Friends of the Earth but much less so towards Greenpeace, by that time obviously a front for luddite socialism and basically shamanistic in outlook. I had deep personal concerns about the environment, having seen reports of terrible industrial pollution in developing countries and the former Eastern Bloc. I had also sailed across the Atlantic twice in a small yacht, and seen for myself floating plastic debris hundreds of miles from land. (I also saw an ‘eco warrior’ yacht in Antigua, lived on by a crusading hippy and daubed with environmental slogans. It was poorly maintained and leaked far more oil into the water than any other boat present.)
So I was quite passionate about the environment, but my focus was on keeping it clean and safe for all life to live in. I wanted people to stop overfishing and manage fish stocks sensibly, I wanted agricultural land to produce the best long-term yields possible, to provide enough food without encroaching on wilderness and wild spaces. I wanted people everywhere to have clean air to breathe and water to drink. I had hoped that the CAGW crusade would somehow also lead to more urgent progress in fighting pollution, and the other environmental issues I cared about. If anything it did the reverse. Why the absolute fixation on reducing CO2 emissions, why was it taken for granted that this was the only way to proceed? Where was the public debate about the balance between prevention and mitigation? The CAGW protagonists always came up with solutions that were anti-industrial, anti-development and always, always required more public money. Where was the encouragement for inventors and entrepreneurs to discover and develop new technologies? And most of all, why oh why not spend some of the huge sums of money thrown at CO2 instead on getting effective pollution controls enacted in developing countries?
It had become quite clear to me that the BBC and similar media organisations would never even discuss whether the science underpinning CAGW was really robust. It had simply become a truism. An occasional doubting voice would be offered a sliver of airtime in the interests of supposed impartiality, but a proponent of CAGW would always be allowed the (much longer) last word. But, if NASA kept having to adjust their course calculations as the Voyager probes entered the outer reaches of the solar system (an utterly trivial problem compared to the complexities of the global climate), how could the science possibly be settled as claimed? Surely the great joy of science is in admitting ignorance, in taking a finely honed theory and sharpening it still further, or even better in realising a fundamental mistake and stepping aside onto a new path? The claimed certainty itself seemed unscientific.
Then in 2007 I saw a trailer on television for the forthcoming documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle. I watched it excitedly, for here finally were people publicly addressing the science and the data, but drawing alternative conclusions to the mainstream. There was none of the usual hand-waving and appeals to trust the experts, who magically seemed to be the only doubt-free scientists in recorded history. The backlash against the program told its own story too, being mainly outraged appeals to authority and conscience.
Having recently become a regular user of the internet, I started digging around looking for more information and so, soon after he started it, I found Warren Meyer’s excellent web site climate-skeptic.com. Oh, the joy! Here were links to data I could see and evaluate myself; here was critical dissection of reports and papers accepted elsewhere without demur. From there, I moved onto WUWT, Bishop Hill, Climate Audit and all the other sites that have become part of my daily round of the internet whenever I have access. However late to the party compared with many regulars at WUWT, I could now see fully both sides of the argument.
When the Climategate emails were released, some further scales fell from my eyes. I had hitherto assumed that most of the most prominent scientists supporting CAGW were well intentioned but wrong, akin to those opposing the theory of continental drift. I have taken part in many lengthy email exchanges concerning technically complex projects, and instantly recognised familiar methods used by those playing the political and bureaucratic game, for whom the data is infinitely malleable in order to reach a pre-determined goal. I had fought against this kind of factual distortion myself.
Now at this point, I am sure some (perhaps many?) readers are thinking, ‘Great, an inside view of how someone becomes a believer in a conspiracy theory, perhaps I’ll base a research paper on this idiot’. My response is that like most people I have at times stumbled upon the real conspiracy theory nuts lurking on the internet. But on WUWT and other CAGW-sceptic sites criticism of the position of the website founder isn’t just tolerated but often encouraged. ‘Prove us wrong! Please! It would be fascinating!’ There are many articles and views published on WUWT that I treat with suspicion, or even downright disagree with, but it is all stimulating and usually well argued. Plus, I am an experienced professional engineer and know what real science looks like, and when people are misusing it as a smokescreen. Neil Armstrong was a great man, and most certainly did land on the moon. Right or wrong, WUWT is a site that considers real scientific issues.
So I now find myself wondering where we go from here. The global climate will continue to change, as it has always done, and although I tend to expect some cooling I am pretty agnostic about it. Nature will assuredly do its own thing. The CAGW scare is in the process of burning out, but I do not expect an outright or imminent collapse. I hope to see the deliberate manipulators of data punished, but doubt very much it will ever come to that. Whatever happens next, it will undoubtedly be interesting, and stimulate much discussion and widely varying viewpoints. This is good news, because it means that we are back to doing science.
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For years the college-educated guys I worked with argued politics & current events at our lunch table. Our guiding principle was claimed facts had to be verifiable (example: % of Israeli population that is not Jewish).
Then we inadvertently stumbled into global warming. The liberals and (British) socialists in the group loved the “fact” that college professors, the UN and Prince Charles had determined we’re all going to die from CO2-induced global warming. The “verifiable evidence” was (1) the UN said so; and (2) 97% of scientists believed it.
We were all pretty stunned to discover that Mikey Mann and the boys claimed to have lost the original climate records and would not disclose computer transforms they’d used to “correct” the original data.
Based upon my Ga Tech physics education, this was just laughable. Hiding data is bad enough; compound it with obviously inaccurate modeling and a flood of non-science “scientists”, and you got yourself the very definition of FUBAR.
Sadly, at no point in time have any of my arguments (or years of no actual warming) even dented the belief of the liberals and socialists (let alone Prince Charles).
I can’t remember a time when I wasn’t sceptical. I think I must have a BS detector gene somewhere! I was very relieved to discover WUWT and JoNova and know I wasn’t alone.
I had a degree in Electronics and a degree in History. Well placed to see and judge things in the round.
In 2000 I was on a plane from the UK to the US and I read an article about dendro. ‘Hey, look at this . This is absolutely stunning. These blokes can tell something about something that happened at a time when we have no other evidence’ the missus was impressed. ‘Briliant’ she said
A few years later, 2005, I read something else about dendro. These people were not making statements about something affecting something, they were saying that x ppm co2 would lead to one hundredth of a degree temperature rise globally over y number of years.
Whaaattt ? this is lunacy. way too specific for mild evidence to make conclusions about a complex reactive system. Surely the climate community would slap this down ??
no. they embraced it
Went for a walk on my coffee break with a couple of co-workers about 5 years back. One guy piped up “What do you think of all this global warming stuff”. I said, “i don’t really know. It’s in the news almost every day, there must be something to it”. I went home later and after 2 hours surfing the net, came to the conclusion that it was political nonsense. The alarmists were loud, abrasive, shrill and very short on actual real science and other relevant information, while the sceptics, including WUWT, were steady, self assured and full of specific information and arguments. The contrast was amazing.
Reminded me of my days in politics when certain people made decisions in backrooms based on what they wanted (their agendas) and you weren’t expected to question them or bother them with alternate points of view or any inconvenient facts. Red flags everywhere.
Jonathan Abbott, thanks for telling the story of your intellectual journey.
You asked, “Perhaps others here have similar experiences? I am curious to know how fellow-readers came to their current views. If some have gone from genuine scepticism to accepting CAGW, I would find that especially fascinating.”
I find the stories of many commenters truly enlightening.
My story begins as a 13 year old when I started having thoughts toward a general principle of not trusting anything from intellectuals (were I considered scientists a subset of them) without some reasonable level of verification. So, in my late 40’s when I stumbled across the intellectuals who were making an ideology around claims of alarming AGW from burning fossil fuels, my sense of being my own intellectual protector (which was rather fully developed and tested by then) automatically kicked into gear.
It came to me over time, via the blogosphere, that there were virtually no ‘non-red’ flags in the arguments of the intellectuals claiming the truth of the ideology of alarming AGW from burning fossil fuels.
Note: by education and 40 years work experience I was (retired now) an engineer focused on a wide range of nuclear power generation aspects mostly in the Asian and European markets.
John
Al Gore.
I never even had to look at a graph, or polar bear poo. Nothing.
Al Gore is solid gold.
I was at school in the sixties, and a passionate naturalist. I was a member of Friends of the Earth within weeks of it starting and in the mid-sixties read about the threat of Global warming in the ecology magazines of the time. I believed it then, and was waiting for it to happen. I never noticed the scare about another ice age, my life was too busy, but I never lost this thought in my head about global warming. Then we had the warm summer of 1976, which I linked in my mind to global warming, so I was a natural believer.
I became convinced it was happening when I saw the hockey stick graph on the BBC, it was totally convincing evidence that CO2 was really causing the long warm summers we were having at that time in London.
I have always hated the politics surrounding the building of the EU superstate; The way I saw the EU was that it was an anti-people anti-democracy organisation, so I wrote letters to newspapers and blogged a lot on Richard North’s EUreferendum.. One day Richard North was writing about how the AGW thing was a total scam. I thought he had gone totally mad, and began to doubt the company I was keeping, perhaps my political instincts were all wrong. Another blogger posted a graph, and I traced the origin of the graph back to this blog. It took me only a few minutes to understand I had been taken for a complete fool. Ever since I have been passionately against both the politics surrounding AGW and the EU ever since, because I see the two events as symptomatic of a certain kind of anti-people thinking that is dangerous and cruel, bordering on evil at times.
I sincerely believe that every person has personal responsibility to be true to themselves, and to change their views when they are wrong. It bothers me when people continue to dig holes, and get more and more deeply embedded in a culture of deception because they cannot admit to the outside world that they misunderstood something. Ultimately dishonesty to yourself causes the pure souls of good people to turn sour, if it is not checked the soul turns evil. Being unable to be honest to the public is a disease of the mind and the only cure is straight talking and civility.
This website, and Richard North’s too, are the way forward. Without straight people the world would be doomed, that is why you people who stand up on this blog are to me the heroes that bring hope back into the world. You will triumph.
State of Fear piqued my interest. My science background is weak, I was an economics major and am stronger in statistics and data analysis. Found CAGW didn’t hold up in these areas. Career in marketing so I understand how public perception can be influenced.
Jai and Mosh can’t both be wrong, can they? Mosh tossed out a veiled appeal to authority in citing the significance of she/he who was the first to read, analyze, and understand the scientists whose words we’ve all done the same with, so my best bet at this point is he’s the nutter. Jai seems more like an AI autoresponder like many others who have posted here over the years, and manages to wedge in all the usual sound bites that drive the CAGW hysteria.
So guys – how are those models doing compared to observed? As a practical matter, how much white space must we allow between plots before going to log paper to keep them all on the same page?
The obvious conclusion is that when the CAGW movement/religion/meme dies out, something else will emerge to take its place. The replacement will need to meet some criteria though. Whatever the issue is will require deindustrialisation, more public expenditure and so on.
Read three pages of the real global warming disaster by booker.make no mistake we are losing this fight..carbon tax.wind mills on mountains in new england……..
i learned AGW must be true because ‘man had entered the forest’
—-Bambi (about a hundred years ago or some such)
Mr. Abbot, If I may:
I have been accused on the site where I argue, of linking to ‘ultra-conservative’ sites in my climate arguments- as though that actually meant anything.
I had been thinking upon that line all day today, and was planning to ask anyone who didn’t mind answering: Where do you stand, in your thinking?
For myself: I figure myself to be pretty much a centrist, having both conservative and liberal viewpoints. Perhaps the answer to such a question is too complicated to put a person in one category or another, but there it is: May I ask which way you lean? *g*
And I pose that same question to any who wishes to ask. Conversely, if this question is not appropriate to this conversation, the mods may do with it what they wish.
My first acquaintance with Greenhouse Gases was via a radio program. GHGs were to be the next big thing because they affected heat from the sun – but they did not know at the time whether things would warm or cool as a result.
Then I met models. England would be a desert in the future we were assured. The presenter, cleverly (he’d be sacked now) asked what the model said England was like now. A desert was the reply!
Eventually I decided that I really must find out about GW so I scoured the Internet. All I wanted was a description that held water. I could’t find one. There were just lots of disconnected facts. Deeper investigation revealed that nothing seemed to be known accurately, there were no “famous experiments” like the good old days of physics, none of the theories seemed to even have a formula that could be checked or used as a basis for any investigation.
Then I discovered Bishop Hill, WUWT, ClimateAudit, Donna Laframboise, Jo Nova, Tallbloke, GWPF and Climate Depot – quickly followed by The Hockey Stick Illusion and various Climategates, etc etc. No going back now.
Maybe I’m wrong here but my guess is that most commenters here started out as Warmists, I was one. After closer inspection many started asking questions and doubting the catastrophic warnings. What really divides Warmists and sceptics is climate sensitivity. The rest is hype and the weather is being largely driven by natural climate variations. It’s not only man’s co2 that might have a tiny beneficial effect on climate (& a great boost for greening) but land use changes, soot, deforestation too. Heck, even wind turbines are known to affect the micro climate.
I was born with a BS detector and educated, through school, under grad, and post grad studies, how to use it effectively. When “scientist” or “academics” “declare” anything, my BS detector immediately switches on. First place I look to is … what is the motivation ? Always MONEY and PRESTIGE.
I’m a socially liberal (I.e pro welfare state, pro nhs etc etc ) late 20s left leaning in my voting liberal who regardless of all this distrusts the authoritive voice. And for this reason something always seemed off about global warming to me, just because of the way the message was presented. I’ve read skeptic and alarmist blogs for some years now just sort of taking these non-expert bloggers at their word, all the while with these doubts. However it was not until recently I’ve been able to call myself a full skeptic. And it was as a result of a discussion on Phil plaits blog where I simply asked “am I a deniar?” And laid out what I accept I.e co2 is a greenhouse amongst other things and what I distrust I.e alarmist proprositions.
The answer of course was that yes I’m not being a responsible individual by not taking non-experts at their word and asking difficult questions about climate sensitivity, predictions not panning out and wondering why I should trust predictions for 20 YEARS time when as soon as they stopped hindcasting things started not quite working no matter what adjustments they tried. Whether too hot or too cold, it wasnt what was expected and this invalidated what they were saying in my mind.
Extra ice melt, not enough melt. Neither of these things validate any one theory. Your prediction has to at least close to being right.
Apologies for spelling/grammar this was written on a phone.
@Otter
“I have been accused on the site where I argue, of linking to ‘ultra-conservative’ sites in my climate arguments.”
The accusation of being ‘ultra-conservative’ and “right-wing” will be leveled at anybody who strays from “the path”. It is an absolute straw-man.
The left has now moved so far to the left that even those left-of-centre are now made to look like “knuckle dragging right wing conservatives”.
A mild disagreement or (God forbid) even a question about any of the “causes’ will get you branded as a “racist”, a “homophobe” or a “denier”.
There sure are a lot of engineers isn here. Me too.
Jai Mitchell is a treasure. He (I guess?) continually reinforces the reliance of the CAGW crowd on double-speak, pseudo-science, and The Big Lie.
Jai, (may I call you Jai?), the GISP ice cores have been analyzed for the ratios of isotopes of the H2O molecules in the ice. Thinking this through as you always do, you must have already realized that snow on Greenland comes from Water Vapor, which comes from the Atmosphere, so the Greenland ice cores do not only reveal the temperature history of Greenland, but of the Oceans! Ohh, oops, you had not realized that? Do you now?
“white males over the age of 35” and PROUD of that, thank you very much…
Steven Mosher says:
July 25, 2013 at 1:06 pm
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WRT the article. I dont see a single scientific argument in it. There are many scientific arguments to be a skeptic. None were presented. Finally, never trust a personal account of how someone came to believe or disbelieve.
Trust the “science” then?
I too have a CAGW story. I’m not ready to take it out of the closet.
Where to go from here?
My advice, borrowing from the Vulcans: Live long and prosper.
My dad (also an engineer) may god rest his soul, always told me it was important to persevere, and when times got tough, that this too shall come to pass.
I say, be honest and kind to your fellow man, and try not to let the jerks, liars, and thieves get the best of you. That can be frustrating at times, but a clear conscience is the best medicine for a good night sleep.
My best and thanks to you Jonathan, and Anthony, and all honest skeptics. It’s nice to know I’m not alone.
According to the science Toronto Blue Jays are World champions.
I distinctly remember the day. They anounced on the radio as I drove to work that Australia was going to tax carbon. Before that I didn’t care weather it was true or not. I accepted that it could be, but I also didn’t expect that it would matter too much.
I got to work and opend up 4 climate blogs. After reading through, I focused on three. Real Climate, Climate Audit and Watts Up. I noted the sceptical blogs did deep analysis of the data and presented all their findings exhaustively. The pro-warming blog didn’t present any data, no analysis, and was stunningly rude toward anybody who asked questions. I was instantly convinced the sceptics understood the situation far better.
My story mirrors Roger’s. As a child of the 70s and 80s, I too fully remember the global cooling and ice age talk. The not one but TWO snowfalls we received in Georgetown, SC (just north of Charleston) did little to dissuade us from thinking it was coming. Soon enough the snows stopped and the talk turned to warming. I admit I was nearly pulled fully on board after Katrina. Then I discovered on some website the logarithmic warming decline of increasing CO2 concentration, did some quick back-of-the-envelope math and said “we’ve actually warmed a good bit more than we should have for only 100ppm of CO2. There has to be something else.” The True Believers(tm) cited “positive feedback of water vapor”. I said “Horses#!t”, mainly because they had ZERO data to back that up. And so my journey began…