Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Well, I wasn’t going to mention this paper, but it seems to be getting some play in the blogosphere. Our friend Nicola Scafetta is back again, this time with a paper called “Solar and planetary oscillation control on climate change: hind-cast, forecast and a comparison with the CMIP5 GCMs”. He’s posted it up over at Tallbloke’s Talkshop. Since I’m banned over at Tallbloke’s, I thought I’d discuss it here. The paper itself is here, take your Dramamine before jumping on board. Dr. Scafetta has posted here on WUWT several times before, each time with his latest, greatest, new improved model. Here’s how well Scafetta’s even more latester, greatester new model hindcasts, as well as what it predicts, compared with HadCRUT4:
Figure 1. Figure 16A from Scafetta 2013. This shows his harmonic model alone (black), plus his model added to the average of the CMIP5 models following three different future “Representative Concentration Pathways”, or RCPs. The RCPs give various specified future concentrations of greenhouse gases. HadCRUT4 global surface temperature (GST) is in gray.
So far, in each of his previous three posts on WUWT, Dr. Scafetta has said that the Earth’s surface temperature is ruled by a different combination of cycles depending on the post:
First Post: 20 and 60 year cycles. These were supposed to be related to some astronomical cycles which were never made clear, albeit there was much mumbling about Jupiter and Saturn.
Second Post: 9.1, 10-11, 20 and 60 year cycles. Here are the claims made for these cycles:
9.1 years : this was justified as being sort of near to a calculation of (2X+Y)/4, where X and Y are lunar precession cycles,
“10-11″ years: he never said where he got this one, or why it’s so vague.
20 years: supposedly close to an average of the sun’s barycentric velocity period.
60 years: kinda like three times the synodic period of Jupiter/Saturn. Why three times? Why not?
Third Post: 9.98, 10.9, and 11.86 year cycles. These are claimed to be
9.98 years: slightly different from a long-term average of the spring tidal period of Jupiter and Saturn.
10.9 years: may be related to a quasi 11-year solar cycle … or not.
11.86 years: Jupiter’s sidereal period.
The latest post, however, is simply unbeatable. It has no less than six different cycles, with periods of 9.1, 10.2, 21, 61, 115, and 983 years. I haven’t dared inquire too closely as to the antecedents of those choices, although I do love the “3” in the 983 year cycle. Plus there’s a mystery ingredient, of course.
Seriously, he’s adding together six different cycles. Órale, that’s a lot! Now, each of those cycles has three different parameters that totally define the cycle. These are the period (wavelength), the amplitude (size), and the phase (starting point in time) of the cycle.
This means that not only is Scafetta exercising free choice in the number of cycles that he includes (in this case six). He also has free choice over the three parameters for each cycle (period, amplitude, and phase). That gives him no less than 18 separate tunable parameters.
Just roll that around in your mouth and taste it, “eighteen tunable parameters”. Is there anything that you couldn’t hindcast given 18 different tunable parameters?
Anyhow, if I were handing out awards, I’d certainly give him the first award for having eighteen arbitrary parameters. But then, I’d have to give him another award for his mystery ingredient.
Because of all things, the mystery ingredient in Scafetta’s equation is the average hindcast (and forecast) modeled temperature of the CMIP5 climate models. Plus the mystery ingredient comes with its own amplitude parameter (0.45), along with a hidden parameter for the zero point of the average model temperatures before being multiplied by the amplitude parameter. So that makes twenty different adjustable parameters.
Now, I don’t even know what to say about this method. I’m dumbfounded. He’s starting with the average of the CMIP5 climate models, adjusted by an amplitude parameter and a zeroing parameter. Then he’s figuring the deviations from that adjusted average model result based on his separate 6-cycle, 18-parameter model. The sum of the two is his prediction. I truly lack words to describe that, it’s such an awesome logical jump I can only shake my head in awe at the daring trapeze leaps of faith …
I suppose at this point I need to quote the story again of Freeman Dyson, Enrico Fermi, “Johnny” Von Neumann, and the elephant. Here is Freeman Dyson, with the tale of tragedy:
By the spring of 1953, after heroic efforts, we had plotted theoretical graphs of meson–proton scattering.We joyfully observed that our calculated numbers agreed pretty well with Fermi’s measured numbers. So I made an appointment to meet with Fermi and show him our results. Proudly, I rode the Greyhound bus from Ithaca to Chicago with a package of our theoretical graphs to show to Fermi.
When I arrived in Fermi’s office, I handed the graphs to Fermi, but he hardly glanced at them. He invited me to sit down, and asked me in a friendly way about the health of my wife and our newborn baby son, now fifty years old. Then he delivered his verdict in a quiet, even voice.
“There are two ways of doing calculations in theoretical physics”, he said. “One way, and this is the way I prefer, is to have a clear physical picture of the process that you are calculating. The other way is to have a precise and self-consistent mathematical formalism. You have neither.”
I was slightly stunned, but ventured to ask him why he did not consider the pseudoscalar meson theory to be a self-consistent mathematical formalism. He replied, “Quantum electrodynamics is a good theory because the forces are weak, and when the formalism is ambiguous we have a clear physical picture to guide us.With the pseudoscalar meson theory there is no physical picture, and the forces are so strong that nothing converges. To reach your calculated results, you had to introduce arbitrary cut-off procedures that are not based either on solid physics or on solid mathematics.”
In desperation I asked Fermi whether he was not impressed by the agreement between our calculated numbers and his measured numbers. He replied, “How many arbitrary parameters did you use for your calculations?” I thought for a moment about our cut-off procedures and said, “Four.” He said, “I remember my friend Johnny von Neumann used to say, with four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”
With that, the conversation was over. I thanked Fermi for his time and trouble, and sadly took the next bus back to Ithaca to tell the bad news to the students.
Given that lesson from Dyson, and bearing in mind that Scafetta is using a total of 20 arbitrary parameters … are we supposed to be surprised that Nicola can make an elephant wiggle his trunk? Heck, with that many parameters, he should be able to make that sucker tap dance and spit pickle juice …
Now, you can expect that if Nicola Scafetta shows up, he will argue that somehow the 20 different parameters are not arbitrary, oh, no, they are fixed by the celestial processes. They will likely put forward the same kind of half-ast-ronomical explanation they’ve used before—that this one represents (2X+Y)/4, where X and Y are lunar precession cycles, or that another one’s 60 year cycle is kind of near three times the synodic period of Jupiter and Saturn (59.5766 years) and close is good enough, that kind of thing. Or perhaps they’ll make the argument that Fourier analysis shows peaks that are sort of near to their chosen numbers, and that’s all that’s needed.
The reality is, if you give me a period in years, I can soon come up with several astronomical cycles that can be added, subtracted, and divided to give you something very near the period you’ve given me … which proves nothing.
Scafetta has free choice of how many cycles to include, and free choice as to the length, amplitude, and phase of each those cycles. And even if he can show that the length of one of his cycles is EXACTLY equal to some astronomical constant, not just kind of near it, he still has totally free choice of phase and amplitude for that cycle. So to date, he’s the leading contender for the 2013 Johnny Von Neumann award, which is given for the most tunable parameters in any scientific study.
The other award I’d give this paper would be for Scafetta’s magical Figure 11, which I reproduce below in all its original glory.
Figure 2. Scafetta’s Figure 11 (click to enlarge) ORIGINAL CAPTION: (Left) Schematic representation of the rise and fall of several civilizations since Neolithic times that well correlates with the 14C radio- nucleotide records used for estimating solar activity (adapted from Eddy’s figures in Refs. [90, 91]). Correlated solar-climate multisecular and millennial patterns are recently confirmed [43, 44, 47]. (Right) Kepler’s Trigon diagram of the great Jupiter and Saturn conjunctions between 1583 to 1763 [89], highlighting 20 year and 60 year astronomical cycles, and a slow millennial rotation.
First off, does that graphic, Figure 11 in Scafetta’s opus, make you feel better or worse about Dr. Scafetta’s claims? Does it give you that warm fuzzy feeling about his science? And why are Kepler’s features smooched out sideways and his fingers so long? At least let me give the poor fellow back his original physiognomy.
There, that’s better. Next, you need to consider the stepwise changes he shows in “carbon 14”, and the square-wave nature of the advance and retreat of alpine glaciers at the lower left. That in itself was good, I hadn’t realized that the glaciers advanced and retreated in that regular a fashion, or that carbon 14 was unchanged for years before and after each shift in concentration. And I did appreciate that there were no units for any of the four separate graphs on the page, that counted heavily in his favor. But what I awarded him full style points for was the seamless segue from alpine glaciers to the “winter severity index” in the year 1000 … that was a breathtaking leap.
And as you might expect from a man citing Kepler, Scafetta treats scientific information like fine wine—he doesn’t want anything of recent vintage. Apparently on his planet you have to let science mellow for some decades before you bring it out to breathe … and in that regard, I direct your attention to the citation in the bottom center of his Figure 11, “Source: Geophysical Data, J. Biddy J. B. Eddy (USA) 1978″. (Thanks to Nicola for the correction, the print was too small to read.)
Where he stepped up to the big leagues, though, is in the top line in the chart. Click on the chart to enlarge it if you haven’t done so yet, so you can see all the amazing details. The “Sumeric Maximum”, the collapse of Machu Pichu, the “Greek Minimum”, the end of the Maya civilization, the “Pyramid Maximum” … talk about being “Homeric in scope”, he’s even got the “Homeric Minimum”.
Finally, he highlights the “20 year and 60 year astronomical cycles” in Kepler’s chart at the right. In fact, what he calls the “20 year” cycles shown in Kepler’s dates at the right vary from 10 to 30 years according to Kepler’s own figures shown inside the circle, and what he calls the “60 year astronomical cycles” include cycles from 50 to 70 years …
In any case, I’m posting all of this because I just thought folks might like to know of Nicola Scafetta’s latest stunning success. Using a mere six cycles and only twenty tunable parameters plus the average of a bunch of climate models, he has emulated the historical record with pretty darn good accuracy.
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And now that he has explained just exactly how to predict the climate into the future, I guess the only mystery left is what he’ll do for an encore performance. Because this most recent paper of his, this one will be very hard to top.
In all seriousness, however, let me make my position clear.
Are there cycles in the climate? Yes, there are cycles. However, they are not regular, clockwork cycles like those of Jupiter and Saturn. Instead, one cycle will appear, and will be around for a while, and then disappear to be replaced by some longer or shorter cycle. It is maddening, frustrating, but that’s the chaotic nature of the beast. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation doesn’t beat like a clock, nor does the El Nino or the Madden-Julian oscillation or any other climate phenomena.
What is the longest cycle that can be detected in a hundred year dataset? My rule of thumb is that even if I have two full cycles, my results are too uncertain to lean on. I want three cycles so I can at least get a sense about the variation. So for a hundred year dataset, any cycle over fifty years in length is a non-starter, and thirty-three years and shorter is what I will start to trust.
Can you successfully hindcast temperatures using other cycles than the ones Scafetta uses? Certainly. He has demonstrated that himself, as this is the fourth combination of arbitrarily chosen cycles that he has used. Note that in each case he has claimed the model was successful. This by no means exhausts the possible cycle combinations that can successfully emulate the historical temperature.
Does Scafetta’s accomplishment mean anything? Sure. It means that with six cycles and no less than twenty tunable parameters, you can do just about anything. Other than that, no. It is meaningless.
Could he actually test his findings? Sure, and I’ve suggested it to him. What you need to do is run the analysis again, but this time using the data from say 1910 to 1959 only. Derive your 20 fitted variables using this data alone.
Then test your 20 fitted variables against the data from 1960 to 2009, and see how the variables pan out.
Then do it the other way around. Train the model on the later data, and see how well it does on the early data. It’s not hard to do. He knows how to do it. But if he has ever done it, I have not seen anywhere that he has reported the results.
How do I know all this? Folks, I can’t tell you how many late nights I’ve spent trying to fit any number and combination of cycles to the historical climate data. I’ve used Fourier analysis and periodicity analysis and machine-learning algorithms and wavelets and stuff I’ve invented myself. Whenever I’ve thought I have something, as soon as it leaves the training data and starts on the out-of-sample data, it starts to diverge from reality. And of course, the divergence increases over time.
But that’s simply the same truth we all know about computer weather forecasting programs—out-of-sample, they don’t do all that well, and quickly become little better than a coin flip.
Finally, even if the cycles fit the data and we ignore the ridiculous number of arbitrary parameters, where is the physical mechanism connecting some (2*X+T)/4 combination of two astronomical cycles, and the climate? As Enrico Fermi pointed out, you need to have either “a clear physical picture of the process that you are calculating” or “a precise and self-consistent mathematical formalism”.
w.
PS—Please don’t write in to say that although Nicola is wrong, you have the proper combination of cycles, based on your special calculations. Also, please don’t try to explain how a cycle of 21 years is really, really similar to the Jupiter-Saturn synodic cycle of 19+ years. I’m not buying cycles of any kind, motorcycles, epicycles, solar cycles, bicycles, circadian cycles, nothing. Sorry. Save them for some other post, they won’t go bad, but please don’t post them here.


Dr. Svalgaard, may I ask why you wish to honor Dr. Eddy, if you disagree with the work which made him famous? Or am I misinformed?
Willis this is O/T but I enjoyed your blogs on BC’s carbon tax since I live there and have to put up with those nutters. Anyhow the CBC, Canadian Broadcast Corporation, our taxpayer paid news outlet on the same level as the BBC, has an item where BC government is calling the tax a success, no mention of C02 reduction, here is the link
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/07/23/bc-carbon-sustainable-prosperity-premiers.html?cmp=rss
CBC is very pro AGW and thier news reports in this format is usually open to comments but in this case comments are closed. I suspect because whenever anything they report re: AGW is getting increasing negative comments going against thier idol Suzuki.
milodonharlani says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Still, it strikes me as improbable that the Spoerer, Maunder & Dalton Minima were just coincidentally cold periods.
The Little Ice Age was probably an extended period of cold 1400-1900 [ http://www.leif.org/research/Global-Temperatures-2000-yrs.png ]. That there were solar minima during that time is not so improbable as such occur every ~100 years or so; we would expect something like 4 during the LIA just by chance which seems to be what we got. I don’t see anything improbable about that.
milodonharlani says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Dr. Svalgaard, may I ask why you wish to honor Dr. Eddy, if you disagree with the work which made him famous?
Jack Eddy was a good friend of mine and he should be honored for drawing attention to the Maunder Minimum and its possible ramifications [based on the information available to him at the time]. Posing the right question is the valuable thing to do, especially if your work inspires many other scientists to take a hard look at the question. That is why he rightfully deserves the honor [not necessarily for being correct].
Leif Svalgaard says:
July 23, 2013 at 9:52 am
This is not a new idea. It goes back to 1852 and has not gained acceptance because it has not worked and not advanced science.
Wolf’s ideas back then are very different to today. But yourself , Willis and Anthony prefer to criticize and smear from above without having ANY understanding of the underlying principles.
Willis has been offered advise and teaching from Geoff Sharp in the past which he did not take up, Svalgaard is also yet to display any knowledge of the basic principles in a challenge raised by GS years ago on his website, and Anthony has no knowledge on the topic. You guys are not in a position to judge, let alone be capable of peer review.
Meanwhile a lot of esteemed scientists are now looking seriously at the possibility of planetary influence on solar output and Earth’s climate.
Leif Svalgaard says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:12 pm
The Little Ice Age was probably an extended period of cold 1400-1900 [ http://www.leif.org/research/Global-Temperatures-2000-yrs.png ]. That there were solar minima during that time is not so improbable as such occur every ~100 years or so; we would expect something like 4 during the LIA just by chance which seems to be what we got. I don’t see anything improbable about that.
What a joke, the LIA has 4 of the deepest grand minima of the Holocene, in a row!
Leif Svalgaard says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Those minima did occur during the LIA, but based upon proxy data reconstructions, they seem to be associated with the coldest portions of that cold period, noticeably cooler than the phases in between them. Dalton I’ll grant does also coincide with some major volcanic activity, IIRC.
We may soon have the opportunity to see what a comparable minimum might mean during a warm period.
Your reply to my question on Dr. Eddy is well said. Thanks.
milodonharlani says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Those minima did occur during the LIA, but based upon proxy data reconstructions, they seem to be associated with the coldest portions of that cold period, noticeably cooler than the phases in between them.
Not really, in general. Look at the years around 1600 or right now for that matter. Now, we do expect a dip of the order of 0.05-0.1 degree at low solar activity [simply because TSI is a bit lower], so you might be picking some of those up. None of this shows that the Sun is a major driver of climate.
LBR says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
What a joke, the LIA has 4 of the deepest grand minima of the Holocene, in a row!
Successive minima are always in a row and they will necessarily occur over the 500-yr interval that is the LIA.
Clive E. BIrkland says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Willis has been offered advise and teaching from Geoff Sharp
Geoff does know enough to give advise or teaching on this subject. All he can do is spout his opinion.
In response to my comments at:
July 23, 2013 at 9:45 am
Leif Svalgaard says:
July 23, 2013 at 9:52 am. It goes back to 1852 and has not gained acceptance because it has not worked and not advanced science.”
The following response is given in the spirit of an ally and friend who does not want
to see Anthony’s reputation sullied by one poor judgement:
Leif, you are not paying attention: I used the words “new and/or alternative ideas”. The overall concept is not new but some of the recent proposals in this field have only surfaced in the last few years, and you know it. And as per usual, you counter scientific arguments with empty bluster.
I see that Anthony, Willis and Leif are running scared. That’s why they’re taking out all stops to discredit an idea that is starting to get traction in the scientific community.
Leif, you are not telling Anthony and Willis everything are you? I thought not. Otherwise, they would know about the upcoming rush of solar scientists who are about to publish solid results supporting the solar-planetary theory.
Anthony and Willis, can I suggest that you ambush Leif at your next coffee break and ask him to spill all of the beans…. otherwise you guys are going to have egg all over your collective faces.
If he denies all, ask him why some of his former buddies are driving the winds of change.
REPLY: Let me say for the record:
1. I don’t care what your opinion is on this matter.
2. I have other reasons that I’m not privvy to disclose.
3. Nobody is “running scared”. The work simply has no merit in my opinion, at one time I thought it did.
Anthony
Clive E. BIrkland says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Willis has been offered advise and teaching from Geoff Sharp in the past
Geoff does not have a grasp on elementary physics. His wrong ideas about Angular Momentum transfer shows how little he knows. This paper by Shirley exposes the depth of Geoff’s ignorance: http://www.leif,org/research/Spin-Orbit-Coupling-Shirley-JPL.png
LBR says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
What a joke, the LIA has 4 of the deepest grand minima of the Holocene, in a row!
Apart from this not being true, four consecutive minima always occur in a row.
Ian Wilson says:
July 23, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Leif, you are not paying attention: I used the words “new and/or alternative ideas”. The overall concept is not new but some of the recent proposals in this field have only surfaced in the last few years
By definition ‘recent’ have only surfaced in the ‘last few years’.
Some of the people you are talking about are some of my best friends and we are working together at scientific workshops, e.g. http://www.leif.org/Svalgaard_ISSI_Proposal_Base.pdf
Their basic argument is that they have identified a large number of peaks in the power spectrum and calculate that the chance of those peaks being there by chance is something like 0.000,000,000,01. I show in http://www.leif.org/research/Comment-Planetary-Peaks.pdf that their argument is flawed in that all the peaks they identify can be harmonics of a single peak near 1000 years, so are not independent and their probability argument falls. A single peak at 1000 years is all it takes. Study Figure 1 in my comment paper carefully.
http://www.leif.org/research/Svalgaard_ISSI_Proposal_Base.pdf of course
In response to
Willis Eschenbach says:
July 23, 2013 at 5:00 pm
So you know all about the tides, do you?
Then you should know about these papers, Willis!
Millennial Climate Variability: Is There a Tidal Connection?
WALTER MUNK, MATTHEW DZIECIUCH and STEVEN JAYNE
J O U R N A L O F C L I M A T E, 2001, VOL15, p. 370
Significant dissipation of tidal energy in the deep ocean inferred from satellite altimeter data
G. D. Egbert & R. D. Ray
NATURE, VOL 405, 15 JUNE 2000, p. 775
Moon, tides and climate
Carl Wunsch
NATURE, VOL 405, 15 JUNE 2000, p. 743
Internal Tides and Ocean Mixing
Chris Garrett
SCIENCE, VOL 301, 26 SEPTEMBER 2003 , p. 1858
Ian Wilson says:
July 23, 2013 at 9:41 pm
So you know all about the tides, do you?
“It is not what you know that gets you in trouble, but what you that ain’t”
The tides the planets raise on the Sun and the Earth are 100 to 10,000 times smaller than those the Moon raises on the Earth. Did you know that?
Anthony,
I stand by the words I posted above:
“The following response is given in the spirit of an ally and friend who does not want
to see Anthony’s reputation sullied by one poor judgement:”
It is not about who is right or who is wrong. Nor is it about what you or I believe is true. The evidence will prevail, no matter what you think about me or my opinions.
In other words it is not personal…You are about to get a lesson in humility. I just tried to
warn you as a ally.
REPLY: Understood, I have no concerns over whatever this paper is supposed to be coming up. With all the evidence I have seen thus far, I don’t perceive significant supporting evidence for planetary/barycentric style climate theory. – Anthony
“One of these days those folks will wake up to who is running that outfit. – Anthony”
Anthony,
to be fair, the false flag trick worked on Dr. Spencer and Jeff at the Airvent fell for it too. It also worked on you for a considerable period and may in part be working still. PSI worked hard to make anyone who challenged the radiative greenhouse effect hypothesis look ridiculous. You were happy to choose the “safe” path and group any who challenged the idea of a net warming effect from radiative gases as “Slayers” or PSI believers.
You are likely correct in supporting Willis’ criticisms of cyclomaina, however Willis is not always correct. Willis, as far as I know, still believes incident IR in the 15 micron band can slow the cooling rate of liquid water that is free to evaporatively cool 😉
Clive E. Birkland says:
July 23, 2013 at 6:53 am
Clive E. BIrkland says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Clive, first, your comment is very hard to reply to, since all you do is accuse Leif, Anthony, and I of being bereft of even basic knowledge.
Now, that’s OK if you provide the knowledge that we supposedly lack … but you provide nothing.
Finally, you seem to think that I deny planetary influences on the earth. Nothing of the sort. I just haven’t found any evidence for them, and believe me, I’ve looked very hard … and you certainly haven’t presented any such evidence.
So please, come back when you have knowledge to share, or evidence … because simply claiming that your opponents are idiots makes you look like … well … an idiot.
w.
Ian Wilson says:
July 23, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Actually, no, I don’t, nor did I say I knew all about the tides.
I’m more well informed about them than the average bear, because I was forced to figure them out in order to run a slipway on a remote coral atoll. And I researched them extensively for my articles on Tuvalu.
Finally, of course, I’ve studied their effects all my life because I’ve been a sailor and a commercial fisherman, and you’d better know about them if you do that.
But “know all about them”? No, that’s some other guy you’re thinking about, not me.
w.
Please, would someone UN-ADJUST the HadCrud record before they use it !!!
Willis Eschenbach says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Finally, you seem to think that I deny planetary influences on the earth. Nothing of the sort. I just haven’t found any evidence for them, and believe me, I’ve looked very hard … and you certainly haven’t presented any such evidence.
You have not looked hard and have no grasp of the principles…quoting you looked at Theo’s stuff is not good enough. Some advise would be to go to Geoff’s site and take him up on his offer to educate. Then you might be in a better position to claim some knowledge, otherwise you are just making a fool of yourself.
Leif Svalgaard says:
July 23, 2013 at 9:19 pm
LBR says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:45 pm
What a joke, the LIA has 4 of the deepest grand minima of the Holocene, in a row!
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Apart from this not being true, four consecutive minima always occur in a row.
If you are going to respond can you at least be factual, I don’t know what solar record you are using, but you have it wrong. I was referring to the depth which of course is the main concern, and there has not been another period like the LIA for at least 5000 years looking at the Steinhilber or Solanki record.
Steinhilber, isn’t he the esteemed scientist that backs planetary influence, along with others like Abreu, McCraken, Beer etc?????
Clive E. Birkland says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:57 pm
You have not looked hard and have no grasp of the principles
I shall confess that I also have no grasp of the principles behind astrology, homeopathy, Scientology, Electric Universe, and other assorted pseudo-scientific babble, but I do have a firm grasp on physics and that is what counts [and what Geoff – and you – lack].
One mark of the sorry ‘science’ behind planetary musings is that the various proponents can’t even agree on what the whole thing is. E.g. I have repeatedly asked Scafetta if his correlations and peaks and mechanism match those of Abreu et al. or any of the other peddlers, for that matter. As expected: no reply.
LBR says:
July 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm
and there has not been another period like the LIA for at least 5000 years looking at the Steinhilber or Solanki record.
But here have been lots of other dips in solar activity for the last 10,000 years, e.g. Figure 9 of http://www.leif.org/research/swsc130003p.pdf
Steinhilber, isn’t he the esteemed scientist that backs planetary influence
Steinhilber is no longer active in the field.
Clive E. Birkland says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:57 pm
How on earth would you know how hard I looked? That’s just hubristic posturing, you weren’t there when I was looking, you have no clue what I’ve done.
w.