Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
Well, I wasn’t going to mention this paper, but it seems to be getting some play in the blogosphere. Our friend Nicola Scafetta is back again, this time with a paper called “Solar and planetary oscillation control on climate change: hind-cast, forecast and a comparison with the CMIP5 GCMs”. He’s posted it up over at Tallbloke’s Talkshop. Since I’m banned over at Tallbloke’s, I thought I’d discuss it here. The paper itself is here, take your Dramamine before jumping on board. Dr. Scafetta has posted here on WUWT several times before, each time with his latest, greatest, new improved model. Here’s how well Scafetta’s even more latester, greatester new model hindcasts, as well as what it predicts, compared with HadCRUT4:
Figure 1. Figure 16A from Scafetta 2013. This shows his harmonic model alone (black), plus his model added to the average of the CMIP5 models following three different future “Representative Concentration Pathways”, or RCPs. The RCPs give various specified future concentrations of greenhouse gases. HadCRUT4 global surface temperature (GST) is in gray.
So far, in each of his previous three posts on WUWT, Dr. Scafetta has said that the Earth’s surface temperature is ruled by a different combination of cycles depending on the post:
First Post: 20 and 60 year cycles. These were supposed to be related to some astronomical cycles which were never made clear, albeit there was much mumbling about Jupiter and Saturn.
Second Post: 9.1, 10-11, 20 and 60 year cycles. Here are the claims made for these cycles:
9.1 years : this was justified as being sort of near to a calculation of (2X+Y)/4, where X and Y are lunar precession cycles,
“10-11″ years: he never said where he got this one, or why it’s so vague.
20 years: supposedly close to an average of the sun’s barycentric velocity period.
60 years: kinda like three times the synodic period of Jupiter/Saturn. Why three times? Why not?
Third Post: 9.98, 10.9, and 11.86 year cycles. These are claimed to be
9.98 years: slightly different from a long-term average of the spring tidal period of Jupiter and Saturn.
10.9 years: may be related to a quasi 11-year solar cycle … or not.
11.86 years: Jupiter’s sidereal period.
The latest post, however, is simply unbeatable. It has no less than six different cycles, with periods of 9.1, 10.2, 21, 61, 115, and 983 years. I haven’t dared inquire too closely as to the antecedents of those choices, although I do love the “3” in the 983 year cycle. Plus there’s a mystery ingredient, of course.
Seriously, he’s adding together six different cycles. Órale, that’s a lot! Now, each of those cycles has three different parameters that totally define the cycle. These are the period (wavelength), the amplitude (size), and the phase (starting point in time) of the cycle.
This means that not only is Scafetta exercising free choice in the number of cycles that he includes (in this case six). He also has free choice over the three parameters for each cycle (period, amplitude, and phase). That gives him no less than 18 separate tunable parameters.
Just roll that around in your mouth and taste it, “eighteen tunable parameters”. Is there anything that you couldn’t hindcast given 18 different tunable parameters?
Anyhow, if I were handing out awards, I’d certainly give him the first award for having eighteen arbitrary parameters. But then, I’d have to give him another award for his mystery ingredient.
Because of all things, the mystery ingredient in Scafetta’s equation is the average hindcast (and forecast) modeled temperature of the CMIP5 climate models. Plus the mystery ingredient comes with its own amplitude parameter (0.45), along with a hidden parameter for the zero point of the average model temperatures before being multiplied by the amplitude parameter. So that makes twenty different adjustable parameters.
Now, I don’t even know what to say about this method. I’m dumbfounded. He’s starting with the average of the CMIP5 climate models, adjusted by an amplitude parameter and a zeroing parameter. Then he’s figuring the deviations from that adjusted average model result based on his separate 6-cycle, 18-parameter model. The sum of the two is his prediction. I truly lack words to describe that, it’s such an awesome logical jump I can only shake my head in awe at the daring trapeze leaps of faith …
I suppose at this point I need to quote the story again of Freeman Dyson, Enrico Fermi, “Johnny” Von Neumann, and the elephant. Here is Freeman Dyson, with the tale of tragedy:
By the spring of 1953, after heroic efforts, we had plotted theoretical graphs of meson–proton scattering.We joyfully observed that our calculated numbers agreed pretty well with Fermi’s measured numbers. So I made an appointment to meet with Fermi and show him our results. Proudly, I rode the Greyhound bus from Ithaca to Chicago with a package of our theoretical graphs to show to Fermi.
When I arrived in Fermi’s office, I handed the graphs to Fermi, but he hardly glanced at them. He invited me to sit down, and asked me in a friendly way about the health of my wife and our newborn baby son, now fifty years old. Then he delivered his verdict in a quiet, even voice.
“There are two ways of doing calculations in theoretical physics”, he said. “One way, and this is the way I prefer, is to have a clear physical picture of the process that you are calculating. The other way is to have a precise and self-consistent mathematical formalism. You have neither.”
I was slightly stunned, but ventured to ask him why he did not consider the pseudoscalar meson theory to be a self-consistent mathematical formalism. He replied, “Quantum electrodynamics is a good theory because the forces are weak, and when the formalism is ambiguous we have a clear physical picture to guide us.With the pseudoscalar meson theory there is no physical picture, and the forces are so strong that nothing converges. To reach your calculated results, you had to introduce arbitrary cut-off procedures that are not based either on solid physics or on solid mathematics.”
In desperation I asked Fermi whether he was not impressed by the agreement between our calculated numbers and his measured numbers. He replied, “How many arbitrary parameters did you use for your calculations?” I thought for a moment about our cut-off procedures and said, “Four.” He said, “I remember my friend Johnny von Neumann used to say, with four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”
With that, the conversation was over. I thanked Fermi for his time and trouble, and sadly took the next bus back to Ithaca to tell the bad news to the students.
Given that lesson from Dyson, and bearing in mind that Scafetta is using a total of 20 arbitrary parameters … are we supposed to be surprised that Nicola can make an elephant wiggle his trunk? Heck, with that many parameters, he should be able to make that sucker tap dance and spit pickle juice …
Now, you can expect that if Nicola Scafetta shows up, he will argue that somehow the 20 different parameters are not arbitrary, oh, no, they are fixed by the celestial processes. They will likely put forward the same kind of half-ast-ronomical explanation they’ve used before—that this one represents (2X+Y)/4, where X and Y are lunar precession cycles, or that another one’s 60 year cycle is kind of near three times the synodic period of Jupiter and Saturn (59.5766 years) and close is good enough, that kind of thing. Or perhaps they’ll make the argument that Fourier analysis shows peaks that are sort of near to their chosen numbers, and that’s all that’s needed.
The reality is, if you give me a period in years, I can soon come up with several astronomical cycles that can be added, subtracted, and divided to give you something very near the period you’ve given me … which proves nothing.
Scafetta has free choice of how many cycles to include, and free choice as to the length, amplitude, and phase of each those cycles. And even if he can show that the length of one of his cycles is EXACTLY equal to some astronomical constant, not just kind of near it, he still has totally free choice of phase and amplitude for that cycle. So to date, he’s the leading contender for the 2013 Johnny Von Neumann award, which is given for the most tunable parameters in any scientific study.
The other award I’d give this paper would be for Scafetta’s magical Figure 11, which I reproduce below in all its original glory.
Figure 2. Scafetta’s Figure 11 (click to enlarge) ORIGINAL CAPTION: (Left) Schematic representation of the rise and fall of several civilizations since Neolithic times that well correlates with the 14C radio- nucleotide records used for estimating solar activity (adapted from Eddy’s figures in Refs. [90, 91]). Correlated solar-climate multisecular and millennial patterns are recently confirmed [43, 44, 47]. (Right) Kepler’s Trigon diagram of the great Jupiter and Saturn conjunctions between 1583 to 1763 [89], highlighting 20 year and 60 year astronomical cycles, and a slow millennial rotation.
First off, does that graphic, Figure 11 in Scafetta’s opus, make you feel better or worse about Dr. Scafetta’s claims? Does it give you that warm fuzzy feeling about his science? And why are Kepler’s features smooched out sideways and his fingers so long? At least let me give the poor fellow back his original physiognomy.
There, that’s better. Next, you need to consider the stepwise changes he shows in “carbon 14”, and the square-wave nature of the advance and retreat of alpine glaciers at the lower left. That in itself was good, I hadn’t realized that the glaciers advanced and retreated in that regular a fashion, or that carbon 14 was unchanged for years before and after each shift in concentration. And I did appreciate that there were no units for any of the four separate graphs on the page, that counted heavily in his favor. But what I awarded him full style points for was the seamless segue from alpine glaciers to the “winter severity index” in the year 1000 … that was a breathtaking leap.
And as you might expect from a man citing Kepler, Scafetta treats scientific information like fine wine—he doesn’t want anything of recent vintage. Apparently on his planet you have to let science mellow for some decades before you bring it out to breathe … and in that regard, I direct your attention to the citation in the bottom center of his Figure 11, “Source: Geophysical Data, J. Biddy J. B. Eddy (USA) 1978″. (Thanks to Nicola for the correction, the print was too small to read.)
Where he stepped up to the big leagues, though, is in the top line in the chart. Click on the chart to enlarge it if you haven’t done so yet, so you can see all the amazing details. The “Sumeric Maximum”, the collapse of Machu Pichu, the “Greek Minimum”, the end of the Maya civilization, the “Pyramid Maximum” … talk about being “Homeric in scope”, he’s even got the “Homeric Minimum”.
Finally, he highlights the “20 year and 60 year astronomical cycles” in Kepler’s chart at the right. In fact, what he calls the “20 year” cycles shown in Kepler’s dates at the right vary from 10 to 30 years according to Kepler’s own figures shown inside the circle, and what he calls the “60 year astronomical cycles” include cycles from 50 to 70 years …
In any case, I’m posting all of this because I just thought folks might like to know of Nicola Scafetta’s latest stunning success. Using a mere six cycles and only twenty tunable parameters plus the average of a bunch of climate models, he has emulated the historical record with pretty darn good accuracy.
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And now that he has explained just exactly how to predict the climate into the future, I guess the only mystery left is what he’ll do for an encore performance. Because this most recent paper of his, this one will be very hard to top.
In all seriousness, however, let me make my position clear.
Are there cycles in the climate? Yes, there are cycles. However, they are not regular, clockwork cycles like those of Jupiter and Saturn. Instead, one cycle will appear, and will be around for a while, and then disappear to be replaced by some longer or shorter cycle. It is maddening, frustrating, but that’s the chaotic nature of the beast. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation doesn’t beat like a clock, nor does the El Nino or the Madden-Julian oscillation or any other climate phenomena.
What is the longest cycle that can be detected in a hundred year dataset? My rule of thumb is that even if I have two full cycles, my results are too uncertain to lean on. I want three cycles so I can at least get a sense about the variation. So for a hundred year dataset, any cycle over fifty years in length is a non-starter, and thirty-three years and shorter is what I will start to trust.
Can you successfully hindcast temperatures using other cycles than the ones Scafetta uses? Certainly. He has demonstrated that himself, as this is the fourth combination of arbitrarily chosen cycles that he has used. Note that in each case he has claimed the model was successful. This by no means exhausts the possible cycle combinations that can successfully emulate the historical temperature.
Does Scafetta’s accomplishment mean anything? Sure. It means that with six cycles and no less than twenty tunable parameters, you can do just about anything. Other than that, no. It is meaningless.
Could he actually test his findings? Sure, and I’ve suggested it to him. What you need to do is run the analysis again, but this time using the data from say 1910 to 1959 only. Derive your 20 fitted variables using this data alone.
Then test your 20 fitted variables against the data from 1960 to 2009, and see how the variables pan out.
Then do it the other way around. Train the model on the later data, and see how well it does on the early data. It’s not hard to do. He knows how to do it. But if he has ever done it, I have not seen anywhere that he has reported the results.
How do I know all this? Folks, I can’t tell you how many late nights I’ve spent trying to fit any number and combination of cycles to the historical climate data. I’ve used Fourier analysis and periodicity analysis and machine-learning algorithms and wavelets and stuff I’ve invented myself. Whenever I’ve thought I have something, as soon as it leaves the training data and starts on the out-of-sample data, it starts to diverge from reality. And of course, the divergence increases over time.
But that’s simply the same truth we all know about computer weather forecasting programs—out-of-sample, they don’t do all that well, and quickly become little better than a coin flip.
Finally, even if the cycles fit the data and we ignore the ridiculous number of arbitrary parameters, where is the physical mechanism connecting some (2*X+T)/4 combination of two astronomical cycles, and the climate? As Enrico Fermi pointed out, you need to have either “a clear physical picture of the process that you are calculating” or “a precise and self-consistent mathematical formalism”.
w.
PS—Please don’t write in to say that although Nicola is wrong, you have the proper combination of cycles, based on your special calculations. Also, please don’t try to explain how a cycle of 21 years is really, really similar to the Jupiter-Saturn synodic cycle of 19+ years. I’m not buying cycles of any kind, motorcycles, epicycles, solar cycles, bicycles, circadian cycles, nothing. Sorry. Save them for some other post, they won’t go bad, but please don’t post them here.
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LdB says:
July 23, 2013 at 9:28 am
There is a much more scientific way that we express what Willis is saying and we say it over and over again “Correlation does not imply causation”.
The problem with this saying is that some correlations do not imply causation, but are recognized as physical laws.
There is a strong correlation between the square root of the half axis of a moving planet and the cubic root of the rotating time of the planet, as J. Kepler has found out, in his third law. but there is no causation implied, no force, no acting.
If the definition of causation is: “ in classical (Newtonian) mechanics a cause may be represented by a force acting on a body, and an effect by the acceleration.” , the movement of planets is then without any mechanical causation.
It is the same with moving electrons, they need no force to oscillate.
Same with the angular momentum in the solar system. There is no force acting as a cause.There is only a timeless exchange of angular momentum, without any following acting.
But the main nonsense is that it is of no worth to stale was in not. Science is to recognize coherence, what ever it is.
Time is not a force. Time is not an observable in physics. That means a causality as process of following (in time) is nonsense..
V.
bryguyh says:
July 23, 2013 at 6:45 am
Thank you, sir. That’s exactly what started me on my entire investigation into the climate. I wanted to understand, not the changes in the temperature that were occupying everyone else, but what to me was the remarkable stability of the temperature at all timescales. The short answer I found was that emergent phenomena control the climate, spring up when it’s hot to prevent overheating, and keep the temperature stable.
But I digress …
w.
Steven Mosher says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:09 am
Thanks, Steven. Interesting thought, and one I hadn’t considered. My high school chemistry teacher made us always write out in full and cancel out all dimensions in our equations … a very valuable lesson that’s easy for me to forget.
w.
Steven Mosher says:
July 23, 2013 at 8:18 am
I agree completely. I couldn’t get him to answer simple questions, much less provide what he should provide.
I had the same concern about even bringing it up here, Steven. I hate giving it any more publicity. But after I read positive reviews of it on the web, by people who should know better, I realized that I couldn’t just ignore it.
Actually, I suspect that the three of us don’t disagree as much as it sometimes seems. And we definitely agree on the necessity for showing your work, how you actually derived your results. Without that, it’s just handwaving.
w.
LdB says:
July 23, 2013 at 9:31 am
@Willis
“Christopher, you know that I’m a very big fan of yours. However, in this case you are supporting pseudoscience.”
You are absolutely correct Willis he is and it doesn’t seem to have dawned on him along with many of the others comments.
The problem with Willis argument is that ‘pseudescience’ is not to be demonstrated (as truth) in terms of science and philosophy. Nobody can show pseudoscience because it has no existence. You only can argue with valid counter arguments, in that you have to argue why arguments are invalid.
V.
milodonharlani says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:06 am
Many thanks for that interesting link, great slothful one. (Which is not an insult, but a compliment on his screen name.) I rather suspected that the correlation hadn’t held up.
w
Willis Eschenbach says:
”As you are the first person to mention Milankovitch cycles in this thread, I have no idea what you are referring to. If it was something I said, please quote my words.
Gladly:
“I’m not buying cycles of any kind, motorcycles, epicycles, solar cycles, bicycles, circadian cycles, nothing.”
So, being a Southerner (smart@ss), I just had to come up with a “cycle” that pretty much everybody agrees does affect climate. FWIW I don’t disagree with what you’re saying and yes the work is being misrepresented in its scope but on the other hand looking for cycles is not necessarily a bad thing. He might stumble upon something that ends up making sense to someone that then puts the mechanism to the cycle. If the approach were turned around and presented as something along the line of ‘these periodicities are discernible within the climate record let’s try to figure out why’ would you be more accepting, assuming simple questions were answered of course? From my own line of work it was the investigation into the periodicity of chemical characteristics that lead to (obviously) the periodic table and ultimately our understanding of quantum physics.
This site accuses WUWT & Willis of committing pseudo-science:
http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/247-the-relentless-pseudo-science-of-wuwt.html
IMO, the scientific method requires making testable, falsifiable predictions. The issue with the Scafetta paper seems to be whether this method requires the predictor to understand the science behind the prediction. As per Volker Doorman above, Kepler fit an elliptical curve to Tycho’s observations of Mars, showing the assumption of perfectly circular orbits made by both the geocentrists & Copernicus to be false. Yet Kepler didn’t know the mechanism behind these data.
Scafetta’s repeated attempts at curve-fitting might well, IMO, serve a useful scientific purpose, if it leads to identifying candidate physical phenomena with cycles matching whatever he comes up with. More concerning to me is his apparent reluctance to share data, if that’s the right word for his calculations, numbers & assumptions. Worse than worthless psuedo-science? Maybe. Access to underlying figures would help decide.
REPLY: Guess what? We don’t care. They aren’t worth responding to. One of these days those folks will wake up to who is running that outfit. – Anthony
Brilliant post! Thank you!
Volker Doormann says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:40 am
Re: Pseudoscience.
This site accuses Willis of practicing relentless “pseudoscience”, along with WUWT:
http://principia-scientific.org/supportnews/latest-news/247-the-relentless-pseudo-science-of-wuwt.html
I concur that Kepler’s elliptical curve-fitting to Tycho’s observations of Mars is apt to the discussion of Scafetta’s paper, but would add that his not sharing code is unscientific, if not pseudoscientific.
Does a curve-matcher necessarily have to understand the science behind his number-crunching? Or does making falsifiable predictions based upon it suffice? A good match could possibly lead to identifying candidate explanatory physical phenomena. Or not. The exercise may not be pseudoscientific, assuming that appellation is anything more meaningful than a nasty name.
In the late 1980s and early 1990s a debate was going on essentially between the Eastern world, mainly the Soviets and China, who were advocating the cyclical view and the Western world, particularly the US and Britain who were pushing chaos theory.
The Soviets have long studied cycles as they relate to economies, particularly food production. The most famous is the Kondratieff, which is a favourite with many who play the stock market.
http://www.kondratieffwavecycle.com/kondratieff-wave/
The Western world promoted the Chaos theory that there were no cycles or patterns.
The difference between the two philosophies was incorrectly judged to be a political difference and part of the Cold War. In fact, it was the same discussion raised by Willis’ analysis of Scafetta’s work.
I used to tease the weather forecasters saying they better hope chaos theory was correct so they had an excuse for their inaccurate forecasts. Of course, the difference defines one of the most misunderstood issues, especially by the public, namely between weather and climate. Anthony has many articles about the misuse or deliberate abuse of the difference, such as this one.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/13/climate-science-and-nuclear-weapons-research-another-conflation-of-weather-and-climate/
There are cycles. The problem is we don’t know how many or the underlying causes. It also appears there is chaos, as in the non-linear nature of the weather. I recall how the issue was complicated when Landscheidt introduced cyclical influences beyond the close solar system. Other factors that appeared included variation in Length of Day (LOD) or the orbit of our solar system around the Milky Way among many others.
I discussed the cycle versus chaos issue with Hubert Lamb and determined that his reason for setting up the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was again proving critical to any potential understanding and resolution. In his autobiography he explains
“…it was clear that the first and greatest need was to establish the facts of the past record of the natural climate in times before any side effects of human activities could well be important.”
In our discussion he agreed this was also essential to the cycles/chaos determination.
Of course, we have less data now than when we discussed this in the early 1980s. What data we have has been adjusted or deleted to the point where most of it is of little value. The distraction was primarily due to a change in the role of the CRU under the Directorship of Wigley and latterly Jones. Again as Lamb notes in his autobiography,
“My immediate successor, Professor Tom Wigley, was chiefly interested in the prospects of world climates being changed as result of human activities, primarily through the burning up of wood, coal, oil and gas reserves…” “After only a few years almost all the work on historical reconstruction of past climate and weather situations, which first made the Unit well known, was abandoned.”
A good illustration of the failures of the IPCC to recognize cycles is the lack of inclusion of Milankovitch.
All this is further support of my argument that the CRU, the IPCC and the politicizing of climate science has set us back 30 years. Let’s push for more and better data before we even take sides in the debate. The trouble is the abuse and use of climate science for a political agenda and the failed projections of the IPCC are reducing the willingness to fund such crucial research.
Willis Eschenbach says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:41 am
milodonharlani says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:06 am
You’re welcome. It’s still possible that in a world closer to a state of nature, sunspots might correlate causitively (if that’s a word) with grain prices. But that appears not to be the case for the contemporary US.
Mylodon, as you know, is a genus of ground sloth from Patagonia, discovered by Darwin & instrumental to his developing theory. The prolific comparative anatomist & paleontologist Harlan found a fossil jaw of Paramylodon in North America a few years later.
Tim Ball says:
July 23, 2013 at 11:02 am
Hear, hear!
I chime in when you put your foot in it, so I need to chime in when you hit the nail directly on the head. You hit the nail directly, forcefully, and completely on the head on this one.
You may enjoy a couple of comics: http://xkcd.com/687/ and http://xkcd.com/1047/ come to mind.
An E Cat-powered three-wheeler might be less bulky and easier to maintain.
While I’m not a fan of Scafetta’s usual cyclomania, I did think his recent paper on sea-levels was interesting. Specifically I liked his use of “Multi-Scale Rate Analysis” plots. I adapted this method to compare HadCRUT4 and sea-level, with results that I found interesting:
https://sites.google.com/site/climateadj/multiscale-trend-analysis—hadcrut4
I agree with Willis that the multi-decadal cycles don’t have fixed characteristics, though it is interesting that the current slow down appears to be right on time. Mind you, appearances can be deceiving.
Willis Eschenbach says:
July 23, 2013 at 10:19 am
But that’s not what I see, Willis. On a geological time scale, the past several million years has seen regular cold periods where the temperature declines by 8-10 degrees C, bouncing around as it goes, then after about 100,000 years quickly rises by ~10-12 degrees where it stays for several thousand years before falling off the temperature cliff again.
This contains a temperature graph of the past 420,000 years:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/17/global-warming-climate-change/
I see pronounced periodicity as Ice Ages repeat intersperced with Interglacials, but I don’t see temperature stability (implying a narrow temperature range) “at all timescales”.
Please advise.
In support of and further comments to:
Volker Doormann says:
It’s a shame to read such pseudo science nonsense critique from Willis Eschenbach in this blog. None of his arguments are valid scientific arguments. All fallacies or junk or still wrong.
July 23, 2013 at 8:13 am
William:
P.S. I find other Willis Eschenbach’s articles to be very interesting and informative. I enjoy and find appropriate Willis’ injection from time to time of a little wit into his articles to keep things interesting and to help illustrate points. Thanks and best wishes Willis. William.
William:
The labeling of the fact that there is correlation of planetary orbital changes and solar magnetic cycle changes as ‘astrology’ seems to me to be a bit over the top. There is no logic analysis used to justify using the word ‘astrology’ or to compare planetary orbital influence on the sun with Ptolemy’s earth centered solar model. That seems to me to be very close to name calling which makes any discussion very difficult. i.e. It is implied that we do not have time for that silly idea and in fact we might use our influence and power to crush that silly idea.
Comment:
If anyone who is interested in an astrophysical example of over the top idea killing I would highly recommend Halton Arp’s ‘Seeing Red’ Redshifts, Cosmology, and Academic Science. Curiously the physics of what explains Halton Arp’s set of unexplained anomalies is directly related to how the sun can cause abrupt geomagnetic field changes. Progress on solving what physically causes Arp’s anomalies was delayed for 30 years as Arp was not allowed telescope time and his papers were blocked as discussion and research of the anomalies was a waste of time. 30 years later there are now sets of astronomical connected anomalies (quasar observations, spiral galaxy formation and evolution, large cluster evolution, anomalous hot intergalactic gas, the phenomena that required the creation of both dark matter and dark energy and so on. Only cosmologists are allowed to change to the laws of physics to keep their theory alive.) that are related to Arp’s anomalies.
We all agree there is a physical explanation for ever thing that has and will happen. There are no magic wands. We all agree there are theories that are not correct. We all agree there can be correlation due to chance or there may be one parameter controlling both phenomenon and hence there is correlation but no causal relationship between the two phenomenons. A new incorrect theory (the dragon slayer theory seems to me to be an example of an incorrect theory that is not helpful) is almost as disruptive to advancement as an old completely accepted theory that is incorrect, as the new incorrect theory is used as an examine to automatically label every new or previously rejected theory as cranky, not worthy of even scientific logical discussion. The key issue is logical scientific discussion, give the new or old theory a chance, if there is some possibility it could have legs.
The fact that there are sets of anomalies concerning the glacial/interglacial cycle and abrupt climate changes indicates that there are one or more fundamental assumptions that are incorrect. There is an entire set of peculiar unexplained correlates. Events that should be random are not random.
Something is causing the Bond climate events that occur at a variable interval between events of 850 years, 1350 years, and 1850 years. Roughly every 8,000 to 10,000 years there are super strong Bond events that are called Heinrich events. Something is causing the glacial/interglacial cycle. Something is cause the quasi periodic variance of the solar magnetic cycle.
@Tim Ball The trouble is the abuse and use of climate science for a political agenda and the failed projections of the IPCC are reducing the willingness to fund such crucial research.
I agree. I have noticed the same disastrous trend in conservation biology where the crucial research is not being funded and any changes in wildlife are brushed off as the effects of global warming even in regions where maximum temperatures have declined.
Anthony, may you please add my response here and after Willis article?
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First of all, let us start saying that interested readers need to read my paper if they want to know what I say instead of reading Willis’ rants. On my web-site free copies can be downloaded. The paper under analysis is here
http://people.duke.edu/~ns2002/pdf/Scafetta_EE_2013.pdf
However, other papers were published and there may be a need to read them all to know the details, including the references.
About Willis’s article I see that my paper is not making to sleep somebody, which is a good sign.
But people need to sleep well to write properly.
If not the probability of saying non-senses increases greatly.
It appears that Willis had a nightmare.
Let us start from the easiest thing that demonstrates that Willis have lost some hours of sleep and/or panicking.
1) Willies criticized my Figure 11 and the trigon graph by Kepler by stating
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And as you might expect from a man citing Kepler, Scafetta treats scientific information like fine wine—he doesn’t want anything of recent vintage. Apparently on his planet you have to let science mellow for some decades before you bring it out to breathe … and in that regard, I direct your attention to the citation in the bottom center of his Figure 11, “Source: Geophysical Data, J. Biddy (USA) 1978″.
Finally, he highlights the “20 year and 60 year astronomical cycles” in Kepler’s chart at the right. In fact, what he calls the “20 year” cycles shown in Kepler’s dates at the right vary from 10 to 30 years according to Kepler’s own figures shown inside the circle, and what he calls the “60 year astronomical cycles” include cycles from 50 to 70 years.
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I have numerous problems with Willis citing my paper. First of all Willis deceives the reader by forgetting that those references such as Kepler model, which was a climatic model, wos referenced in a section dedicated to the ancient understanding of climate change. I reference also Ptolemy and Medieval writers, but Willis did not note it.
Second I never talk about a guy called “J. Biddy.”
Who is J. Biddy, Willis? A subject of your nightmare?
As any reader can easily see by reading my paper I am referencing to “J. A. Eddy” not “J. Biddy”
Willies probably does not know it, but J. Eddy is likely one of the greatest solar physicist of the last 50 years. Here is his profile in Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._Eddy
Now, let us talk about Kepler trigon.
There Willies see cycles varying between 10 and 30 year and between 50 and 70 year, instead of 20 and 60 years.
However, on that graph these are the reported dates (written by the hand of Kepler)
first trigon) 1583, 1603, 1623,
second trigon) 1643, 1663, 1683,
third trigon) 1703, 1723, 1743,
fourth incomplete trigon) 1763,
which are the conjunction dates of Jupiter and Saturn.
Where Willis saw in the Kepler’s diagram cycles varying between 10 and 30, and between 50 and 70 I do not know.
Given the above it is evident that Willis did not read my paper and is simply trying to mislead the readers of Anthony’s blog. It would be nice to know if Anthony agrees with Willis on these points.
2) Given the above is not surprising that Willis does not understand the logic of the cycles I am taking about which requires a careful reading of my paper, and some knowledge in physics.
About the “Congenital Cyclomania Redux” for using just 6 harmonics spanning between the decadal to the millennial scales Willis does not know that the logic implemented in my model is essentially equivalent to the harmonic constituent astronomical model used to predict the ocean tides on the Earth where up to 40 (very close) harmonics are used. My 6 harmonic model is a baby in comparison.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_tides#Tidal_constituents
I am sure that Willis does not believe in the harmonic constituent astronomical tidal model either which happens to be the most accurate and advanced geophysical model. The only model that actually works in long range predictions.
In addition, Willis accusation that I am using 3 free parameters (amplitude, phase and frequency) for each cycle is false. The cycles parameters are both deduced by the analysis of the data and by a cross-comparison with the astronomical cycles that suggest both the frequency and the phase. In the present paper I made the choice of using oscillations with at most very small adjustments for statistical optimization because many more cycles may be present generating beats.
Look at Figure 7 and 8, and 13. But you need also to read the references of my other papers to understand the physical origin of the cycles.
For example, Willis has not yet understood that the 61-year cycle used in the analysis comes from the beat between the Jupiter-Spring tide (9.93 year) and the Jupiter tide (11.86 year) as explained in my paper.
The only true free parameters are the amplitude of the cycle that need to be calibrated against the temperature data.
The cycle at 10-11 are essentially the solar cycle that is made of a 10, 11 year cycle modulated by the 12 year cycle of Jupiter. I talk about this in another paper, for example.
Scafetta N., 2012. Multi-scale harmonic model for solar and climate cyclical variation throughout the Holocene based on Jupiter-Saturn tidal frequencies plus the 11-year solar dynamo cycle. Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics 80, 296-311.
The physical meaning of the oscillations I am using is clearly explained in the paper and in its references.
Many other things are omitted by Willis such as that I do tests calibrating my model in 1850-1950 and reconstruct the climatic oscillations from 1950 to 2012, for example. The solar model I propose hindcast major climatic pattern during the last 10,000 years. See for example Figure 13 and also other references. Etc.
So, the interested readers are invited to read my paper.
I thank the numerous readers above that have noted that Willis comments were erroneous and that one of Willis’ problem is personal arrogance, another is ignorance. I still hope that Anthony realizes it.
The issue of climate change is complex. It is evident that my model performs much better than the IPCC models and has been tested on hidcasting capabilities.
It is evident that Willis does not have a better theory of climate change.
Nature will eventually confirm or rebut my theory. Up to now Nature seems to follow it quite well.
I do not claim that the model is complete yet, other cycles are present (in the case of the tides 40 close cycles have been found). The research continues with other peer reviewed papers on science journals.
As it happens, somebody will be convinced sooner and somebody will be convinced at the end, such as Willis.
I agree with many of your points however the tone and ridicule, are all wrong. Feuding is harmful and some attitudes require adjustment. Let’s try to aim a little higher. GK
Willis writes: …. Whenever I’ve thought I have something, as soon as it leaves the training data and starts on the out-of-sample data, it starts to diverge from reality. And of course, the divergence increases over time.
I believe that about sums the problem. It is precisely the same behaviour of model vs reality that led Edward Lorenz to develop the mathematical notion now known as the strange attractors. His account of the frustration and irritation that linear modeling of meteorological phenomena provided is well worth reading.
Nicola Scafetta says:
July 23, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Nature will eventually confirm or rebut my theory. Up to now Nature seems to follow it quite well.
So you claim. But without quantitative assessment. Now, science happens when scientists can build on the work by others. There are many ‘planetary’ claims out there. A new one is that by Abreu et al. Does your claim agree with theirs?
Willis,
Why so much venom. You are better than this.
Willis
“What he has done is a kind of manual Fourier reconstruction of the climate signal. But as Fourier showed, any arbitrary signal can be decomposed into a set of sine waves. And that’s all Scafetta has done, decomposed some signal into sine waves. Are you impressed by that kind of pseudoscience? Because I’m not.”
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Perhaps that’s a bit strong. Fourier analysis can produce pretty good results under the right circumstances. For example the ancient Ptolemaic astronomy with its crystal spheres, cycles, and epicycles was also a sort of manual Fourier analysis. And while the physical model couldn’t easily have been more wrong, if you used it for navigation and tried to go from Alexandria to Piraeus, you stood an excellent chance of ending up somewhere near Piraeus rather than at Carthage, Gibraltar or Aleppo. Fourier can be OK — IF THE SITUATION IS IN FACT DOMINATED BY UNDERLYING CYCLIC PHENOMENA.
Fourier has serious practical limitations:
1. It will always give you an answer. Very likely a large family of answers.
2. It will probably give you a very good fit to your data, but that does not — as you point out — prove much. If it didn’t fit, you’d tune it until it did fit (remind you of GCMs?)
3. As a practical matter, there is no way to tell which (if any) family members best fit the future.