Congenital Cyclomania Redux

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Well, I wasn’t going to mention this paper, but it seems to be getting some play in the blogosphere. Our friend Nicola Scafetta is back again, this time with a paper called “Solar and planetary oscillation control on climate change: hind-cast, forecast and a comparison with the CMIP5 GCMs”. He’s posted it up over at Tallbloke’s Talkshop. Since I’m banned over at Tallbloke’s, I thought I’d discuss it here. The paper itself is here, take your Dramamine before jumping on board. Dr. Scafetta has posted here on WUWT several times before, each time with his latest, greatest, new improved model. Here’s how well Scafetta’s even more latester, greatester new model hindcasts, as well as what it predicts, compared with HadCRUT4:

scafetta harmonic variabilityFigure 1. Figure 16A from Scafetta 2013. This shows his harmonic model alone (black), plus his model added to the average of the CMIP5 models following three different future “Representative Concentration Pathways”, or RCPs. The RCPs give various specified future concentrations of greenhouse gases. HadCRUT4 global surface temperature (GST) is in gray.

So far, in each of his previous three posts on WUWT, Dr. Scafetta has said that the Earth’s surface temperature is ruled by a different combination of cycles depending on the post:

First Post: 20 and 60 year cycles. These were supposed to be related to some astronomical cycles which were never made clear, albeit there was much mumbling about Jupiter and Saturn.

Second Post: 9.1, 10-11, 20 and 60 year cycles. Here are the claims made for these cycles:

9.1 years : this was justified as being sort of near to a calculation of (2X+Y)/4, where X and Y are lunar precession cycles,

“10-11″ years: he never said where he got this one, or why it’s so vague.

20 years: supposedly close to an average of the sun’s barycentric velocity period.

60 years: kinda like three times the synodic period of Jupiter/Saturn. Why three times? Why not?

Third Post9.98, 10.9, and 11.86 year cycles. These are claimed to be

9.98 years: slightly different from a long-term average of the spring tidal period of Jupiter and Saturn.

10.9 years: may be related to a quasi 11-year solar cycle … or not.

11.86 years: Jupiter’s sidereal period.

The latest post, however, is simply unbeatable. It has no less than six different cycles, with periods of 9.1, 10.2, 21, 61, 115, and 983 years. I haven’t dared inquire too closely as to the antecedents of those choices, although I do love the “3” in the 983 year cycle. Plus there’s a mystery ingredient, of course.

Seriously, he’s adding together six different cycles. Órale, that’s a lot! Now, each of those cycles has three different parameters that totally define the cycle. These are the period (wavelength), the amplitude (size), and the phase (starting point in time) of the cycle.

This means that not only is Scafetta exercising free choice in the number of cycles that he includes (in this case six). He also has free choice over the three parameters for each cycle (period, amplitude, and phase). That gives him no less than 18 separate tunable parameters.

Just roll that around in your mouth and taste it, “eighteen tunable parameters”. Is there anything that you couldn’t hindcast given 18 different tunable parameters?

Anyhow, if I were handing out awards, I’d certainly give him the first award for having eighteen arbitrary parameters. But then, I’d have to give him another award for his mystery ingredient.

Because of all things, the mystery ingredient in Scafetta’s equation is the average hindcast (and forecast) modeled temperature of the CMIP5 climate models. Plus the mystery ingredient comes with its own amplitude parameter (0.45), along with a hidden parameter for the zero point of the average model temperatures before being multiplied by the amplitude parameter. So that makes twenty different adjustable parameters.

Now, I don’t even know what to say about this method. I’m dumbfounded. He’s starting with the average of the CMIP5 climate models, adjusted by an amplitude parameter and a zeroing parameter. Then he’s figuring the deviations from that adjusted average model result based on his separate 6-cycle, 18-parameter model. The sum of the two is his prediction. I truly lack words to describe that, it’s such an awesome logical jump I can only shake my head in awe at the daring trapeze leaps of faith …

I suppose at this point I need to quote the story again of Freeman Dyson, Enrico Fermi, “Johnny” Von Neumann, and the elephant. Here is Freeman Dyson, with the tale of tragedy:

By the spring of 1953, after heroic efforts, we had plotted theoretical graphs of meson–proton scattering.We joyfully observed that our calculated numbers agreed pretty well with Fermi’s measured numbers. So I made an appointment to meet with Fermi and show him our results. Proudly, I rode the Greyhound bus from Ithaca to Chicago with a package of our theoretical graphs to show to Fermi.

When I arrived in Fermi’s office, I handed the graphs to Fermi, but he hardly glanced at them. He invited me to sit down, and  asked me in a friendly way about the health of my wife and our newborn baby son, now fifty years old. Then he delivered his verdict in a quiet, even voice.

“There are two ways of doing calculations in theoretical physics”, he said. “One way, and this is the way I prefer, is to have a clear physical picture of the process that you are calculating. The other way is to have a precise and self-consistent mathematical formalism. You have neither.”

I was slightly stunned, but ventured to ask him why he did not consider the pseudoscalar meson theory to be a self-consistent mathematical formalism. He replied, “Quantum electrodynamics is a good theory because the forces are weak, and when the formalism is ambiguous we have a clear physical picture to guide us.With the pseudoscalar meson theory there is no physical picture, and the forces are so strong that nothing converges. To reach your calculated results, you had to introduce arbitrary cut-off procedures that are not based either on solid physics or on solid mathematics.”

In desperation I asked Fermi whether he was not impressed by the agreement between our calculated numbers and his measured numbers. He replied, “How many arbitrary parameters did you use for your calculations?” I thought for a moment about our cut-off procedures and said, “Four.” He said, “I remember my friend Johnny von Neumann used to say, with four parameters I can fit an elephant, and with five I can make him wiggle his trunk.”

With that, the conversation was over. I thanked Fermi for his time and trouble, and sadly took the next bus back to Ithaca to tell the bad news to the students.

Given that lesson from Dyson, and bearing in mind that Scafetta is using a total of 20 arbitrary parameters … are we supposed to be surprised that Nicola can make an elephant wiggle his trunk? Heck, with that many parameters, he should be able to make that sucker tap dance and spit pickle juice …

Now, you can expect that if Nicola Scafetta shows up, he will argue that somehow the 20 different parameters are not arbitrary, oh, no, they are fixed by the celestial processes. They will likely put forward the same kind of half-ast-ronomical explanation  they’ve used before—that this one represents (2X+Y)/4, where X and Y are lunar precession cycles, or that another one’s 60 year cycle is kind of near three times the synodic period of Jupiter and Saturn (59.5766 years) and close is good enough, that kind of thing. Or perhaps they’ll make the argument that Fourier analysis shows peaks that are sort of near to their chosen numbers, and that’s all that’s needed.

The reality is, if you give me a period in years, I can soon come up with several astronomical cycles that can be added, subtracted, and divided to give you something very near the period you’ve given me … which proves nothing.

Scafetta has free choice of how many cycles to include, and free choice as to the length, amplitude, and phase of each those cycles. And even if he can show that the length of one of his cycles is EXACTLY equal to some astronomical constant, not just kind of near it, he still has totally free choice of phase and amplitude for that cycle. So to date, he’s the leading contender for the 2013 Johnny Von Neumann award, which is given for the most tunable parameters in any scientific study.

The other award I’d give this paper would be for Scafetta’s magical Figure 11, which I reproduce below in all its original glory.

kepler trigon II

Figure 2. Scafetta’s Figure 11 (click to enlarge) ORIGINAL CAPTION: (Left) Schematic representation of the rise and fall of several civilizations since Neolithic times that well correlates with the 14C radio- nucleotide records used for estimating solar activity (adapted from Eddy’s figures in Refs. [90, 91]). Correlated solar-climate multisecular and millennial patterns are recently confirmed [43, 44, 47]. (Right) Kepler’s Trigon diagram of the great Jupiter and Saturn conjunctions between 1583 to 1763 [89], highlighting 20 year and 60 year astronomical cycles, and a slow millennial rotation. 

First off, does that graphic, Figure 11 in Scafetta’s opus, make you feel better or worse about Dr. Scafetta’s claims? Does it give you that warm fuzzy feeling about his science? And why are Kepler’s features smooched out sideways and his fingers so long? At least let me give the poor fellow back his original physiognomy.

kepler painting

There, that’s better. Next, you need to consider the stepwise changes he shows in “carbon 14”, and the square-wave nature of the advance and retreat of alpine glaciers at the lower left. That in itself was good, I hadn’t realized that the glaciers advanced and retreated in that regular a fashion, or that carbon 14 was unchanged for years before and after each shift in concentration. And I did appreciate that there were no units for any of the four separate graphs on the page, that counted heavily in his favor. But what I awarded him full style points for was the seamless segue from alpine glaciers to the “winter severity index” in the year 1000 … that was a breathtaking leap.

And as you might expect from a man citing Kepler, Scafetta treats scientific information like fine wine—he doesn’t want anything of recent vintage. Apparently on his planet you have to let science mellow for some decades before you bring it out to breathe … and in that regard, I direct your attention to the citation in the bottom center of his Figure 11, “Source: Geophysical Data, J. Biddy J. B. Eddy (USA) 1978″. (Thanks to Nicola for the correction, the print was too small to read.)

Where he stepped up to the big leagues, though, is in the top line in the chart. Click on the chart to enlarge it if you haven’t done so yet, so you can see all the amazing details. The “Sumeric Maximum”, the collapse of Machu Pichu, the “Greek Minimum”, the end of the Maya civilization, the “Pyramid Maximum” … talk about being “Homeric in scope”, he’s even got the “Homeric Minimum”.

Finally, he highlights the “20 year and 60 year astronomical cycles” in Kepler’s chart at the right. In fact, what he calls the “20 year” cycles shown in Kepler’s dates at the right vary from 10 to 30 years according to Kepler’s own figures shown inside the circle, and what he calls the “60 year astronomical cycles” include cycles from 50 to 70 years …

In any case, I’m posting all of this because I just thought folks might like to know of Nicola Scafetta’s latest stunning success. Using a mere six cycles and only twenty tunable parameters plus the average of a bunch of climate models, he has emulated the historical record with pretty darn good accuracy.

And now that he has explained just exactly how to predict the climate into the future, I guess the only mystery left is what he’ll do for an encore performance. Because this most recent paper of his, this one will be very hard to top.

In all seriousness, however, let me make my position clear.

Are there cycles in the climate? Yes, there are cycles. However, they are not regular, clockwork cycles like those of Jupiter and Saturn. Instead, one cycle will appear, and will be around for a while, and then disappear to be replaced by some longer or shorter cycle. It is maddening, frustrating, but that’s the chaotic nature of the beast. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation doesn’t beat like a clock, nor does the El Nino or the Madden-Julian oscillation or any other climate phenomena.

What is the longest cycle that can be detected in a hundred year dataset? My rule of thumb is that even if I have two full cycles, my results are too uncertain to lean on. I want three cycles so I can at least get a sense about the variation. So for a hundred year dataset, any cycle over fifty years in length is a non-starter, and thirty-three years and shorter is what I will start to trust.

Can you successfully hindcast temperatures using other cycles than the ones Scafetta uses? Certainly. He has demonstrated that himself, as this is the fourth combination of arbitrarily chosen cycles that he has used. Note that in each case he has claimed the model was successful. This by no means exhausts the possible cycle combinations that can successfully emulate the historical temperature.

Does Scafetta’s accomplishment mean anything? Sure. It means that with six cycles and no less than twenty tunable parameters, you can do just about anything. Other than that, no. It is meaningless.

Could he actually test his findings? Sure, and I’ve suggested it to him. What you need to do is run the analysis again, but this time using the data from say 1910 to 1959 only. Derive your 20 fitted variables using this data alone.

Then test your 20 fitted variables against the data from 1960 to 2009, and see how the variables pan out.

Then do it the other way around. Train the model on the later data, and see how well it does on the early data. It’s not hard to do. He knows how to do it. But if he has ever done it, I have not seen anywhere that he has reported the results.

How do I know all this? Folks, I can’t tell you how many late nights I’ve spent trying to fit any number and combination of cycles to the historical climate data. I’ve used Fourier analysis and periodicity analysis and machine-learning algorithms and wavelets and stuff I’ve invented myself. Whenever I’ve thought I have something, as soon as it leaves the training data and starts on the out-of-sample data, it starts to diverge from reality. And of course, the divergence increases over time.

But that’s simply the same truth we all know about computer weather forecasting programs—out-of-sample, they don’t do all that well, and quickly become little better than a coin flip.

Finally, even if the cycles fit the data and we ignore the ridiculous number of arbitrary parameters, where is the physical mechanism connecting some (2*X+T)/4 combination of two astronomical cycles, and the climate? As Enrico Fermi pointed out, you need to have either “a clear physical picture of the process that you are calculating” or a precise and self-consistent mathematical formalism”. 

w.

PS—Please don’t write in to say that although Nicola is wrong, you have the proper combination of cycles, based on your special calculations. Also, please don’t try to explain how a cycle of 21 years is really, really similar to the Jupiter-Saturn synodic cycle of 19+ years. I’m not buying cycles of any kind, motorcycles, epicycles, solar cycles, bicycles, circadian cycles, nothing. Sorry. Save them for some other post, they won’t go bad, but please don’t post them here.

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July 27, 2013 5:38 pm

Carla says:
July 27, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I’m saying they are saying this varies with solar cycle. So sometimes the little weak ACR belt gets bigger and stronger..
Sometimes the little weak ACR belt gets even smaller and weaker…
But, all that doesn’t matter. You continue to pollute WUWT with stuff that is not relevant to the topic at hand.

July 28, 2013 1:08 am

Yes, Your S. Sweden spectrum is correct, I will look into the Hungarian data again and compare two. I’m off to a hat shop, just in case.

July 28, 2013 4:02 am

vukcevic says:
July 27, 2013 at 2:24 pm
. . . Oh no, for a moment I thought that was Dr. Scafetta talking.
Please Sir, I want some more..data…

Please compare Aurora number vs (Solar tide index) ^4
http://www.volker-doormann.org/images/solar_tides_vs_aurora.jpg
Because the solar tide index powered by 4 (cold = zero / warm ~ 1.0) is created out of real planetary couples and its strengths are the square root function of the tide period, and springtime phases are related to global warm phases, this means that solar tides control the climate on Earth.
One specific topic point is that the astronomical tide functions of real tide couples of real neighbour planets here used, can brings light into the dark WUWT climate war. The claim of Dr. Scafetta still on time periods out of FFT like sine function analysis without real ecliptic data, but claiming planetary oscillations, is still math gymnastic, but not astronomy. The claim of Willis Eschenbach about this lack of connection is OK, but it is not up to him to discredit the work of Dr. Scafetta in hole in the name of science.
Maybe there some time is an end of this stupid mind war in the next century.
V.

July 28, 2013 4:52 am

Hungarian records are too sparse to be used as a reference (in other words useless), it is a disappointing that S. Sweden records stop in 1880s as the ‘good’ global temperature records commence.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SS-H.htm
My hat is intact for time being.

July 28, 2013 6:10 am

vukcevic says:
July 28, 2013 at 4:52 am
it is a disappointing that S. Sweden records stop in 1880s
We have good data from Denmark:
1873 17 1874 21 1875 20 1876 22 1877 14 1878 9 1879 15 1880 32 1881 27 1882 51 1883 32 1884 18 1885 14 1886 22 1887 21 1888 8 1889 13 1890 20 1891 38 1892 32 1893 36 1894 37 1895 32 1896 36 1897 29 1898 35 1899 11 1900 5 1901 9 1902 4 1903 5 1904 18 1905 10 1906 23 1907 20 1908 25 1909 22 1910 30 1911 13 1912 3 1913 1 1914 9 1915 18 1916 23 1917 62 1918 38 1919 39 1920 32 1921 23 1922 4 1923 16 1924 13 1925 33 1926 23 1927 22 1928 27 1929 24 1930 24 1931 22 1932 41 1933 27 1934 15 1935 34 1936 31 1937 74 1938 71 1939 73 1940 53 1941 58 1942 34 1943 40 1944 11 1945 39 1946 47 1947 71 1948 62 1949 45 1950 47 1951 77 1952 33 1953 37 1954 28 1955 49 1956 70 1957 129 1958 132 1959 98 1960 56 1961 30 1962 11 1963 21 1964 7 1965 8

July 28, 2013 6:23 am

Thanks
Will append it to the Swedish records. I’ve put two spectra on the same plot
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SS-H.htm
You are basically Ok but you do miss fine detail especially important around 11yr.
Apologies to Willis for taking over his thread.

July 28, 2013 7:14 am

vukcevic says:
July 28, 2013 at 6:23 am
You are basically Ok but you do miss fine detail especially important around 11yr.
You are basically OK [with the Swedish data at least], except that the ‘fine detail’ is not justified [i.e. is illusionary] because of the crudeness of the data and the short span of years. Even the Hungarian data yields to the sharp knife of FFT, showing nicely the ~11-yr and ~84 yr ‘cycles’. The exact timings can vary a bit as the cycles are not steady. http://www.leif.org/research/Ungarn-Sweden-FFT.png

Pamela Gray
July 28, 2013 7:36 am

I’m betting Scafetta could do research on the Bible code and find the word “groovy” in it. And would lay a large bet on Vukcevic finding the phrase “magnetic auroral periodicity” in Genesis.

July 28, 2013 7:58 am

Leif Svalgaard says: July 28, 2013 at 7:14 am
…………………
In first-class tradition of Tycho Brahe Danish scientists of late 19th and 20th century are known and greatly respected around the globe, for their accurate and comprehensive astronomical and planetary observations, which of course includes unquestionably the most accurate aurora data available.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/DanAur.htm
I congratulate you Sir on such fine tradition and sincerely hope that you may upheld result of their superb data.
My hat is safe, I hope you got a spare one.

July 28, 2013 8:07 am

vukcevic says:
July 28, 2013 at 7:58 am
My hat is safe
Since you maintained that the auroral record did not contain an 11-yr peak you should have eaten that old hat already.

July 28, 2013 8:28 am

Dear Sir
You gota a problem!
See SSN and Danish spectra comparison
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/DanAur.htm
Are you capable on elaborating on auroras Hale cycle strength?
– by incoming solar input ? I doubt you could
– by Earth’s reaction to the polarity? You could that would be devastating for your headgear, let’s not go further in.
Denmark Aurora observations, Denmark Straits currents.

July 28, 2013 8:35 am

vukcevic says:
July 28, 2013 at 8:28 am
See SSN and Danish spectra comparison
The auroral cycle does not match the solar cycle exactly because the high-speed streams on the declining cycle adds some aurorae. This distorts the cycle a bit and creates harmonics at 2X and 3X the basic cycle, i.e.the 22 and 33-yr peaks are just harmonics and do not have any further physical meaning. So, now eat your hat. And perhaps throttle back the tread hi-jacking a bit.

July 28, 2013 8:50 am

Leif Svalgaard says: July 28, 2013 at 8:35 am
……………..
Big thank you for the data and see you again elsewhere.

July 28, 2013 9:23 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
July 28, 2013 at 8:35 am
This distorts the cycle a bit and creates harmonics
I put that a bit too sloppily. The distortions [from a pure sine wave] create harmonics with periods at 1/2, 1/3, 1/4, … of the fundamental. If the basic cycle (11-yr) is modulated by a longer cycle (100-yr), we get a splitting of the 11-yr peaks [and its harmonics], and the harmonics of the 100-yr wave at 1/2, 1/4, 1/4, … of the long wave. Here is a synthetic example http://www.leif.org/research/Harmonics-FFT.png
So the periods longer than 11 yrs are harmonics of the 100-yr wave, not ‘Hale cycle’ peaks. If you inspect your spectrum for the SSN [which does show even-odd effects], you will see that the Hale-cycle signature is much diminished.
This concludes the hi-jacking.

Martin Lewitt
July 29, 2013 5:55 am

MiCro and Dr. Svalgaard, The Sun is not in “free fall”. In general relativity only “test particles” can be in free fall, because they lack extent. Extended bodies such as the Sun, planets and the Gravity Probe A satellite are not in free fall.

Reply to  Martin Lewitt
July 29, 2013 6:33 am

Martin Lewitt says:
July 29, 2013 at 5:55 am

MiCro and Dr. Svalgaard, The Sun is not in “free fall”. In general relativity only “test particles” can be in free fall, because they lack extent. Extended bodies such as the Sun, planets and the Gravity Probe A satellite are not in free fall.

Martin, to be honest it’s beyond my skills. But I do know that the CoG of the Solar System does move, and since we find exoplanets by measuring the wobble of their parent star, our parent star should have a wobble. Does this effect the output of the Sun, and is it delayed maybe thousands of years, I don’t know. But I do find it intriguing.

July 29, 2013 9:15 am

Martin Lewitt says:
July 29, 2013 at 5:55 am
The Sun is not in “free fall”. In general relativity only “test particles” can be in free fall, because they lack extent.
While in theory true, the Sun etc are in the weak gravitational regime and the complications from being an extended body are negligible. There are only measurable effects for strong gravitational fields such as supermassive black holes or binary neutron stars. But in the solar system it is not necessary to include complications caused by bodies being extended. The highly precise JPL ephemeris [ http://iau-comm4.jpl.nasa.gov/XSChap8.pdf ] uses the Einstein-Infeld-Huffman equations of motion that describe the dynamics of point-like masses, including General Relativity effects. They are valid in the limit where velocities of the bodies are small compared to the speed of light and where the gravitational fields affecting them are correspondingly weak. These conditions are fully satisfied in the Sun and the solar system. So your attempt to suggest that solar activity is an effect of General Relativity is way off the mark.

Martin Lewitt
Reply to  Leif Svalgaard
July 29, 2013 10:26 am

There are measurable extended body effects in our gravity probe satellites, much less more extended rotating bodies with quadrature like the Sun. For purposes of ephemeris calculations treating extended bodies as point masses works. But we don’t need strong enough effects to explain the solar cycle, but the much smaller effects to explain variation in the solar dynamo perturbed by the the orbital period of Jupiter as the primary coupled oscillators with lesser contributions from the other planets. Dynamical processes might concentrate the cumulative effects of the torques in mass currents in the outer 2% of the mass of the sun.

July 29, 2013 10:38 am

Martin Lewitt says:
July 29, 2013 at 10:26 am
But we don’t need strong enough effects to explain the solar cycle, but the much smaller effects to explain variation in the solar dynamo perturbed by the orbital period of Jupiter
The variations of the cycle are as large as the cycle itself, so not minor effects.
Dynamical processes might concentrate the cumulative effects of the torques in mass currents in the outer 2% of the mass of the sun.
Even if that were so, what is important is the variation of those effects that, as you put it, “might” exist. Jupiter is far away and the variations of its distance to the Sun are small. But I would be interested in your precise calculation of those effects, rather than just hand waving.

July 29, 2013 12:04 pm

Martin Lewitt says:
July 29, 2013 at 10:26 am
Dynamical processes might concentrate the cumulative effects of the torques in mass currents in the outer 2% of the mass of the sun.
A clever trick, giving the appearance of calculation of these ‘dynamical promises’, but the outer 2% is just the mass of the convection zone [determined by other means] which has nothing to do with General Relativity.

lgl
July 29, 2013 12:51 pm

Leif
http://www.leif.org/research/Comment-Planetary-Peaks.pdf
Syn. SSN = ABS(COS(π/10.81*t)*COS(π/1024*t))
What’s the mechanism? How is the Sun multiplying two cosines?

July 29, 2013 1:05 pm

lgl says:
July 29, 2013 at 12:51 pm
How is the Sun multiplying two cosines?
There may be a long-term modulation of solar activity [or at least of cosmic rays]. My formula creates a simple model of that variation to show how harmonics arise. Any formula that has that long-term variation [even a long string of numbers laboriously entered by hand] would do.

lgl
July 29, 2013 2:39 pm

Leif
Or maybe your formula is just numerological pseudoscience?

July 29, 2013 2:42 pm

lgl says:
July 29, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Or maybe your formula is just numerological pseudoscience?
Just like all the rest. That is the whole point. Good that you have seen the light.

Martin Lewitt
July 29, 2013 5:39 pm

Dr. Svalgaard says: “Jupiter is far away and the variations of its distance to the Sun are small.”
It isn’t the variation in Jupiter’s distance that would drive any coupling but the orbital motion of Jupiter itself, it’s mass current.
Here are the relative contributions (M/d^3) of the planets with mercury being unity:
mercury 1.0000
venus 2.2706
earth 1.0541
mars 0.0319
jupiter 2.3771
saturn 0.1140
uranus 0.0022
neptune 0.0007
And you say: “The variations of the cycle are as large as the cycle itself, so not minor effects.”
The cycle persists even through grand minima, how can you say the variation is as large as the cycle. The cycle itself is the oscillator, and would couple to Jupiter rather than Venus because the orbital period is close to the cycle period. The forces required to couple oscillators are small compared to those that are the oscillations. Consider the classic example of the synchronization of two pendulum clocks separated but standing against the same wall. The forces acting between them are orders of magnitude less than those acting within. The coupling between the Jupiter mass current and mass heterogeneity and mass currents of the solar dynamo, would be imperfect and have occasional phase collapses, whose timing might be perturbed by the other planets. Even if the coupling is through mass currents rather than magnetic, it mean that any state perturbation or buildup mechanism can’t ultimately be magnetic.
Effects as small as 4m/s concentrated in much less that 2% of the solar mass seem characteristic of the solar variation. Wilson, et al, calculated transfers of this scale.
Does a Spin–Orbit Coupling Between the Sun and the Jovian Planets Govern the Solar Cycle?
I. R. G. WilsonA,C, B. D. CarterB, and I. A. Waite
http://www.publish.csiro.au/?act=view_file&file_id=AS06018.pdf
Given suggestive correlations and longer term cycles that seem to require long term memory or build-ups of state to a collapse, lets just say, I’m skeptical, that the correlations can dismissed with an erroneous appeal to Newtonian “free fall”. The mechanism may be in the dynamics of the dynamo mass currents and magnetic fields, you may be one of the ones to elucidate them when the understanding is ripe.

July 29, 2013 5:56 pm

Martin Lewitt says:
July 29, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Here are the relative contributions (M/d^3) of the planets with mercury being unity
These are just the tidal effect computed form Newtonian theory.
The cycle persists even through grand minima, how can you say the variation is as large as the cycle.
Mea culpa, I should have said ‘as larger or larger’
The cycle itself is the oscillator
No, it is not.
Effects as small as 4m/s concentrated in much less that 2% of the solar mass seem characteristic of the solar variation. Wilson, et al, calculated transfers of this scale.
Typical velocities in the convection zone are a hundred times larger.
I’m skeptical, that the correlations can dismissed with an erroneous appeal to Newtonian “free fall”
I’m interested in a calculation of the deviation from free fall. Gravity Probe B was in free fall according to http://einstein.stanford.edu/RESOURCES/presentations/tech_reviews/bencze-AAS06_DF_control.pdf

Martin Lewitt
July 29, 2013 6:27 pm

Dr. Svalgaard, The quadrature effects of GR are also proportional to the mass and inverse to the cube of the distance. Rotation, internal heterogeneity and mass currents as well as tidal bulges are quadrature in GR.
By stating that the cycle was the oscillator, I intended that to mean the solar dynamo with its characteristic cycle or period was the oscillator. Whatever, within that dynamo that resists synchronization with the orbit of Jupiter and insists on its own characteristic period is where the state will build up and eventually collapse.
“Free fall” in the sense used in the Gravity Probe B paper, only means free of non-gravitational accelerations, so they could measure the non-free-fall extended body GR effects. They were using actual forces (helium thrusters) to isolate their gyroscopes from the accelerations due to atmospheric drag.