From the Washington Times, idiocy only bureaucrats could muster:
“Since man first rubbed a pair of sticks together to make a fire, we’ve gathered around a campfire to cook food, enjoy good company and bask in the warmth of the glowing embers. Now the green spoilsports in Southern California want to take that all way, sending beach ring fire pits the way of the caveman.The South Coast Air Quality Management District will decide this summer whether to order the removal of 850 bonfire pits from Los Angeles and Orange county beaches on the pretense that fire is bad for the environment. To support its position, the agency concocted a study concluding that an evening beach fire creates as much particulate matter pollution as a diesel truck driving 564 miles
Man’s taming of fire enabled him to cook his food, bring light to the darkness, make stronger tools and survive the harshest of winters. It’s the one discovery upon which all civilizations are built. The assault on bonfires, fireplaces and stoves undermines one of the cornerstones of society. It’s what happens when government gets big enough to snuff out man’s greatest achievement.”
EDITORIAL: California to ban fire – Washington Times
OMG, as much as one diesel truck driving 564 miles.
Lessee, its about 700 miles from the California-Oregon border on Interstate 5 to the beach in Orange County.
Why not simply turn back one Orange County bound diesel truck a day at the California border agricultural inspection station to achieve that goal?
Oh, wait, that would be stupid.
More here: http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_23274978/wood-fire-pits-could-pose-health-problems-beach
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Reminds me of one local council (Frankston?) in Melbourne that wanted to ban the digging of holes at their beach.
I could imagine the howls of disgust if a 3 year old gets dragged to the juve-cube.
Frankston council also started a ban on smoking in all public areas. I made a point of parking my arse outside the council office and lighting up while I read the paper. They were too gutless to arrest me, let alone have anyone come out and give me a finger-wagging.
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Just in case some ideologue like Lewandowsky comes along later and claims that nobody batted an eyelid – most readers would just roll their eyes, but for the record:
As a long-term reader of WUWT (at least 7 years) Anthony Watts has never made, or even implied, a racist comment.
If any such comments were posted, they were quickly deleted under the site’s editorial policy.
Please crawl back under your rock.
“I made a point of parking my arse outside the council office and lighting up while I read the paper.”
LOL, Mr. Koenders, way — to — go! {[8/]-[]–<
Heh, heh, they probably thought you were a private detective and each imagined you were there about his or her particular transgression. [sound of nervous whistling – "whoo, hoo, hoo, hoooo, hmmm — I'll just pretend I don't see him and….. go out the back entrance!"]
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Ya know, I never got hooked on nicotine (whew!), but I am COMPLETELY in support of liberty. If a smoker isn't essentially forcing others to join them (in an enclosed public space), that is their CHOICE to light up. Now, in the Socialist State of Washington, people can't even smoke in PRIVATELY OWNED restaurants or bars! Only on Indian-owned land — hence, the casinos are popular esp. with smokers.
Dear moderator, thanks for the work you are putting to have this blog work well
You said
[Addendum to US/UK readers: The 3 English technical terms “solder weld braze” all translate into the single Spanish word “soldar” (in all of its various verb and noun forms). Likely the same for their Greek translation: “συγκόλλησης συγκόλληση συγκόλλησης” but the mods cannot read Greek. Mod. ]
We do have a word for it in Greek, I had not been using a dictionary and my little gray cells are not up to what they were 🙂 . It is “ηλεκτροσυγκολληση” . “Braze” is a new word for me. Will be useful for scrabble.
Mod(s): good that you deleted OT comment by “andor” on immigration but you should also delete immigration comment by “milodonharlani”.
Janice Moore:
I agree with right to smoke provided it does not cause objectively measurable significant harm to others.
There is a problem with jerks who throw their cigarette butss on the ground where they may start grass fires.
In View Royal BC they even started fires in bark mulch in the fancy median of a rebuilt street.
My observations suggest that those jerks behave dangerously to others in many ways, including speeding through playground zones.
There are good reasons for banning beach fires. Here in SF, large groups of partygoers gather, start fires, drink excessively into the late hours, and there are crimes like assault and rape. The fires are odiferous and nasty, and affect large areas of the neighborhood next to the beach. The carbon grains of the fires disperse on the beach, and turn what was beautiful white sands into dirty black. The next day, the beaches are strewn with paper, junk, and bottles from these slobs. Seabirds and the environment are impacted by this behavior. Sea gulls are found with plastic rings around their necks, waves are littered with debris which is consumed by seals, and plovers are being driven to extinction. The fire debris is also bad – sometimes it is covered with sand, and later strollers burnt when they walk across these concealed pits. There have been several cases of babies being burnt when parents let them crawl about over what they think is a safe environment. In short, there are excellent reasons for banning beach fires…
I believe in freedom. But, I’m starting to think anybody who wants to move to my state from California should have to prove he or she wasn’t voting democrat back in California. Sicknesses like that of Californians need to be contained.
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Thank you for communicating that O Mod. [:)]
That’s good.
Insanity. The particulate number is completely contrived.
564 miles, assuming 4 mpg, is 141 gallons of diesel. That would produce soot perhaps 200 times that of a standard 3′ campfire.