Uh oh, somebody in Germany in a position to influence others in the Green movement has started thinking for himself, shrugging off suggestions from a climate scientist that “its all in his head”.
Pierre Gosselin reports about a story by lefty journalist Harald Martenstein of Die Zeit:
“I was ready to open my home to the Schröders as soon as they would no longer be able to take the 60°C heat in the shade. But instead it got colder and colder. At Uckermark in the wintertime it was -20°C for weeks.”
Martenstein also noticed that Britain had endured its coldest winter in 30 years, Florida got covered by icicles, and the cold seemed to be spreading everywhere. So he pleaded that people should emit more CO2 – so that he could stay warm.
His plea, however, prompted an invitation from a “scientist at a very nice climate institute“:
He showed me tables and graphs that clearly depicted it was getting warmer. He believed that I was just a victim of my own subjective imagination. Memory can fool you. One thinks that during childhood it was warm from May to September, but in reality its was warm only 3 days, and it is those 3 days that one remembers intensively. The tables from climate scientists, on the other hand, do not lie.”
Martenstein then recounts the past winter and how it seemed to him as being the longest and hardest he could remember, but telling himself that it was probably just his warped subjectivity acting up again. He writes:
But suddenly I read in the paper that a number of climate scientists had changed their minds. Now they were saying it is not going to get warmer, but colder, at least in Europe. Whatever happened to the tables I now ask myself.”
This kind of science would never fly in biology or physics, Martenstein writes. ”But with climate science it seems they are allowed to get away with everything.”
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Mother Of German Green Weeklies, Die Zeit, Shocks Readers…Now Casts Doubt On Global Warming!
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Luther Wu says:
April 19, 2013 at 8:58 am
Rating points are the cobblestones on the road to hell.
The most significant difference I have noticed when they have been implemented on other sites is a general reduction in the number of comments. It appears to me that, when rating systems are introduced, people tend to use them instead of commenting. This might be considered by some to be a good thing but I’d prefer it not be there. I’d rather read people’s thoughts than learn that “five people rated this comment as good.”
Regarding the OP: Announcements of the imminent death of AGW are frequent and have been so for a number of years now. Sadly, I believe they are premature. It took decades to undermine the Scientific Method to the extent it has been in Climatology. It will take almost as long to rebuild.
jc says:
April 19, 2013 at 9:14 am
“If this publication, and this writer, really are at the heart of Orthodoxy and its promotion in Germany, this really is The End.”
Nah.. See, they can fire the guy. Der Spiegel for instance just fired its editors. Not for angering the green gods but for failure of improving the bottom line.
But most predominantly, there’s a sticker on every second gadget or machine in Germany telling you how ecologically friendly it is. The trains I use carry such messages. I can opt to pay a little more for my train tickets and get transported by 100% renewable energy (wonder how they do that. Didn’t notice the second set of wires and motors.)
Germans are very stubborn once they have chosen their political religion; even when CO2AGW is long forgotten they will still pay the 20 bn EUR extra for wind and solar electricity a year without even thinking about it – at the same time blaming price increases on greedy capitalist energy companies.
Really I’m not kidding. Cognitive dissonance is a national sport.
Eyes opening, Martenstein cannot yet bring himself to say that he is now skeptical {or even sceptical 😉 } He is disappointed, but in what? His real estate choice? In Nature? Or in the people he believed?
The very beginning of the P. Gosselin’s piece is bloody enlightening:
Cultists in need of deprogramming. ….. In charge of the asylum.
Greenpeace, WWF playing the part of Jim Jones offering the world a VAT of Cool-Aid flavored poisonous tyranny.
AGW unravels faster as a result of colder than average winters in some places?
That’s what counts as good science at WUWT?
This stuff only discredits your site. More.
The Monster (@SumErgoMonstro) says:
April 19, 2013 at 8:22 am
“We have always been at war with Eurasia.”
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No, it’s oceania……………………
TheInquirer:
Thankyou for your post at April 19, 2013 at 9:43 am.
More of the same, please. I enjoy seeing a warmunist being hurt by reality.
Perhaps, as with Martenstein, if reality hurts you enough then you will start to question your cult.
Richard
The good news is that I’m developing some nice back muscles shoveling all the April snow in Denver.
tgmccoy says: “But wait! Here is a well know American politician who blames the Boston Bombings on- Ready.-Wait.-Climate.-Change.
http://politicker.com/2013/04/governor-cuomo-says-boston-bombing-part-of-new-normal/ ”
No, he just described both using the same phrase, “the new normal.” No connection. But Cuomo is part of the new stupid.
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Now I’m really confused. Hansen said burning coal would release CO2 which would make Earth like Venus in awhile. He called coal trains “Coal Trains of Death”. Then he explained the lack of warming from the increase in CO2 by blaming it on the burning of coal. (Soot or something.)
Now we need to accelerate the rate of rise in CO2 levels even greater to prevent us from freezing because the rise in CO2 levels was causing us to warm which, of course, explains all the cold spells?
So, is burning coal for power good or bad?
A few years ago I got excited about global warming because I live in Canada. We bought some hybrid grape vines and planted them with great expectations.
They died.
Reblogged this on Climate Ponderings.
@Gunga Din, Re: Hansen “Death Trains”
So, is burning coal for power good or bad?
I don’t know if Hansen would agree that burning coal is good in the short-run, but he would most certainly agree that burning coal is doubleplusungood for the future.
@jorge: But Cuomo is part of the new stupid.
Doubleplusfunny.
“I’m not a climate skeptic, I’m just disappointed.” His disappointment is certainly understandable. The CAGW cult/quasi-religion had a lot going for it for its adherents. I mean, what’s not to like about “saving the planet”? And those nasty, evil, oil-funded d—ers aka us, made perfect foils, and easy to hate, because obviously, all we cared about was money.
Their disappointment will turn to rage in due time. It’s a process.
“Around the world, the whole global warming scare is imploding and it’s happening at an increasing pace. We skeptics played a supporting role in that, but it is the economics of hard times, rather than us bit players, that is actually killing it off.”
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/the-difficult-kind/
Pointman
@TheInquirer says:
April 19, 2013 at 9:43 am
Someone might interpret your comment as your inability here to distinguish between science and perceptions of science or fact and public opinion. And that this was just a mistake in this case.
But it is not a mistake at all! Science is public opinion and commentary to you! You don’t know the difference!
So “good science” is what you want people to think! And this is BAD science isn’t it?
What constitutes mental process for those like you is fearsome. How do you function?
You must be congratulated on your name. The Inquirer.
A lifetime spent on a daily – hourly – basis beseeching: What? What? Whats going on?
WHATS GOING ON? HELP ME!
@Pointman exactly my sentiments.
The internet never forgets, unless we let these same people censor it.
Tilo Reber says: “The good news is that I’m developing some nice back muscles shoveling all the April snow in Denver.”
Heck, Tilo, it snowed in June when I lived there ~1974. Get used to it. Hum “I’m Dreaming of a White Cinco de Mayo” while you work.
@ur momisugly DirkH says:
April 19, 2013 at 9:38 am
They might fire him, but he can’t have come from nowhere. I don’t now how he is seen or what the general mindset is in Germany so obviously I defer to your knowledge. But if all the people he mixes with, and he wants to feel a commonality with, think what he has said is a dire offense, would he write such a thing?
As to stickers and exhortations to comply I suspect they are everywhere – they are maybe the closest Greens have ever to any process that involves physical reality that actually works.
I get the impression – here and in other comments – that you are determined to not let yourself be beguiled by false hope, only to be disappointed. Is it possible that, in not believing change is occurring until you see direct evidence of a tangible nature in front of your own two eyes, that you have become a prisoner in your own way – as heretic with no expectations of the mad being sane – of AGW? Understandable if so!
jc says: “You must be congratulated on your name. The Inquirer.”
More like THINquirer, jc, since the amount of genuine enquiring he/she does is microscopic compared to the holes in AGW “science.”
Unless he was referring to January 2012 when there were indeed “icicles“. 🙂
TheInquirer says: “AGW unravels faster as a result of colder than average winters in some places?
That’s what counts as good science at WUWT”
It’s linked to the NOAA 2008 statement that 15 or more years of non-warming would cause a “discrepancy” in the models. The run of very cold winters in the N hemisphere give people more confidence in the claims that the 15-year benchmark has been reached.
The comment where he says “Where are the tables?” is really the most pathetic part of all. They need to ask themselves if this excuse for science has any basis for checking accuracy. And is this seen by politicos and journalists as just a form of teenager debate with no social or budgetary cost trade-offs involved and no validation! There is one other realm where this goes on routinely and it takes place in courtrooms with win-the-day tactics by lawyers spinning tales with only perception and short-term decision making involved.
Where I live, in eastern Nebraska, just south of Omaha, we just had a pretty intense low pass over us, and that low hit the upper Mississippi Valley pretty hard with snow and cold. But I can recall worse. We had a two day blizzard in the third week of April in (if I recall correctly) 1987. When I lived in western South Dakota, we lived through what became known as “The Mothers Day Blizzard.” In fact, the latest I can recall it snowing in western South Dakota is June 7.
I have never believed the AGW hypothesis. That a certain number of “scientists” chose to believe it says something about the psychology of that group. That politicians climbed aboard that bandwagon simply says that, as always, most politicians are opportunists. As for the true believers, well they are just ignorant and gullible. They probably have never seen Mother Nature in a real tantrum.
@jorge says:
April 19, 2013 at 11:13 am
With holes that big, this personage has reason to fear stumbling into them and vanishing.
It’s been four years since Climategate when I was introduced to the pseudoscience behind the AGW hypothesis. I’ll believe that the pseudoscience is well and truly dead when all the funding for those engaging in non-empirical research-by-computer-model is gone.