It's the Sun stupid – The minor significance of CO2

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Guest post by Dr. Norman Page

1 The IPCC’s Core Problem

The IPCC  – Al Gore based  Anthropogenic Global Warming scare has driven global  Governments’ Climate and Energy Policies since the turn of the century. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted on uneconomic renewable energy  and CO2 emission control schemes based on the notions  that it is both necessary and possible to control global temperatures by reducing CO2 emissions. All this vast investment is based on the simple idea that as stated in the IPCC AR4 report:

“we conclude that the global mean equilibrium warming for doubling CO2, or ‘equilibrium climate sensitivity’, is likely to lie in the range 2°C to 4.5°C, with a most likely value of about 3°C. Equilibrium climate sensitivity is very likely larger than 1.5°C.”

These values  can only be reached by adopting two completely unfounded and indeed illogical assumptions and procedures:

1. CO2 is simply assumed to be the main climate forcing .This is clearly illogical  because at all time scales CO2 changes follow temperature changes.

2.  Positive feedback  from the other GHGs – notably water vapour and methane is then added on to the effects of CO2 and attributed to it. Obviously, in nature,  the increase in  CO2 and  Humidity  are  both caused by rising temperatures. It is also impossible to have a net positive feedback because systems with total positive feed back are not stable and simply run away to disaster. We wouldn’t be here to tell the tale if it were true.

From its inception the IPCCs remit was to measure Anthropogenic  Climate Change and indeed Climate Change was defined as Anthropogenic until the 2011 SREX report when the definition was changed.The climate science community simply designed their models to satisfy the political  requirements of their funding agencies. – Publications, academic positions,peer approval , institutional advancement and grants were unlikely to be forthcoming unless appropriate forecasts of catastrophic warming were dutifully produced. The climate models have egregious structural errors and ,what is worse, in their estimates of  uncertainty the IPCC reports for Policymakers simply ignored this structural uncertainty and gave policy makers and the general public a totally false impression of the likely accuracy  of their temperature forecasts.It is this aspect of the AGW meme which is especially unconscionable.

The inadequacy, not to say inanity, of the climate models can be seen by simple inspection of the following Figure 2-20  from the AR4 WG1 report.

Figure 1 from IPCC AR4

The only natural forcing is TSI and everything else is anthropogenic. For example under natural should come such things as eg Milankovitch Orbital Cycles,Lunar related tidal effects on ocean currents,Earths geomagnetic field strength and all the Solar Activity data time series – eg Solar  Magnetic Sield strength, TSI ,SSNs ,GCRs ,( effect on aerosols,clouds and albedo) CHs, MCEs, EUV variations, and associated ozone variations and Forbush events. Unless the range and causes of natural variation are known within reasonably narrow limits it is simply not possible to calculate the effect of anthropogenic CO2 on climate.

The results of this gross error of scientific judgement is seen in the growing discrepancy between global temperature trends and the model projections. The  NOAA  SSTs show that with CO2 up 8% there has been no net warming since 1997, that ,the warming trend peaked in 2003 and that there has been a cooling trend since that time.

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/annual.ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat

The gap between projections and observations  is seen  below

Fig 2 ( From Prof. Jan-Erik Solheim (Oslo) )

2, The Real Climate Drivers.

Earths climate is the result of resonances between various quasicyclic processes of varying wavelengths. The long wave Milankovich eccentricity,obliquity and precessional cycles are modulated by solar “activity” cycles with millennial centennial and decadal time scales .These in turn interact with lunar cycles and endogenous earth changes in Geomagnetic Field strength ,volcanic activity and at really long time scales plate tectonic movements of the land masses.The combination of all these drivers is mediated through the great oceanic current and atmospheric pressure systems to produce the earths climate and weather.

To help forecast decadal  and annual changes we can look at eg the ENSO  PDO, AMO NAO indices and based on past patterns make reasonable forecasts for varying future periods. Currently the PDO suggests we may expect 20 – 30 years of cooling in the immediate future.Similarly for multidecadal, centennial and millennial predictions we need to know where we are relative to the appropriate solar cycles.The best proxies for solar “activity”are currently ,the Ap index, and the GCR produced neutron count. The solar indices are particularly important  for their past history these can be retrieved from the 10 Be data.

In a previous post on   http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com  on  1/22/13 – Global Cooling – Timing and Amount(NH) I have made suggestions of possible future cooling based on a repetition of the solar millennial cycle. Here I point out for the modellers the value of using the Ap index as a proxy measure of solar activity. Compare the Northern Hemisphere HADSST3 Temperature anomaly since 1910 with the AP index since 1900 . Because of the thermal inertia and slow change in the enthalpy of the oceans there is a 10 – 12 year delay between the driver proxy  and the temperature.

Fig 3 – From Hadley Center

Fig 4  From  http://www.leif.org/research/Ap-1844-now.png

There are some good correlations .The 1900 and 1965 Ap lows correspond to the NH  temperature minima at 1910 and 1975 respectively . The 1992 Ap peak ( Solar Cycle 22)  corresponds to the 2003 temperature high and trend roll over- and as shown in the previous post referred to above might well represent  the roll over of the millennial solar cycle which brought the Medieval and Roman warming peaks. The NH is used because it is more sensitive to forcing changes and its greater variability makes correlation more obvious.

As a simple conceptual model the Ap index can be thought of as simple proxy for hours of sunshine especially when mentally integrated over a 10 -12 year period.  See Wang et al

http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/9581/2012/acp-12-9581-2012.pdf

As far as the future is concerned the Solar Cycle  23/24 Ap minimum in end 2009 is as low as the 1900 minimum and would suggest both a secular change in solar activity in about 2006 and a coming temperature minimum at about 2019/20. This change is also documented for TSI by  Adbussamatov  2012 http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/apr/article/view/14754

Fig 5.

As a final example for this post  the following figure from Steinhilber et al http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/03/30/1118965109.full.pdf

shows the close correlation of successive Little Ice Age Minima with cosmic Ray intensity.

                                                                                                    Fig 6

CONCLUSION :    

It is now clear that the Ap/GCR/10Be data are the best proxy measures of the Earth’s temperature driver over millennial centennial and decadal time scales. The best way of forecasting the future is to predict future solar cycles at these wavelengths keeping in mind the Earth’s magnetic field strength and obliquity trends over longer time periods.

3. The Response of the Modellers, IPCC and Political Alarmists.

The modelling community and the IPCC have both recognized that they have a problem. For example both Hansen and Trenberth have been looking for the missing heat and generating epicycle type theories to preserve their models.Hansen thinks it might have something to do with aerosols and Trenberth first wanted to hide it down the deep ocean black hole. Death Train Hansen is a lost cause as far as objective science is concerned but Trenberth has always been a more objective and judicious scientist and has recently made excellent  progress in discovering a real negative feedback in the system. see

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outreach/proceedings/cdw31_proceedings/S6_05_Kevin_Trenberth_NCAR.ppt

He says:

This is an encouraging start and its inclusion would improve models significantly. Clearly it would reduce very substantially the currently IPCC calculated temperature sensitivity to CO2 . He now also needs to add into the models the iris effect of the GCR modulation  of the global incoming radiation flux via clouds ,possibly related natural aerosols, and resulting  albedo changes on global temperatures.When this is done the sensitivity to doubling  CO2 will be 1 degree or less similar to  separate calculations by Lindzen, Spencer and Bjornbom:

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/01/new-paper-confirms-findings-of-lindzen.html

The IPCC ‘s response to the lack of warming is seen in the SREX  2011 report. they say

“Uncertainty in the sign of projected changes in climate extremes over the coming two to three decades is relatively large because climate change signals are expected to be relatively small compared to natural climate variability”.

In other words they realized  that they could no longer scaremonger on the basis of the trend and so in that report and in the forthcoming AR5 they have chosen to concentrate on “extreme” events to promote their scaremongering anti CO2 policy agenda  while keeping unchanged their climate sensitivity calculations. The core alarmists  Hansen, Mann, McKibben and Romm and their MSM ,Celebrity and Political  acolytes including Obama are simply following the IPCC script with their ever more hysterical predictions of future extreme disasters as the current earth obstinately refuses to warm up.

The AR5 Summary for Policymakers is currently in draft form.Obviously Trenberth and his associated modellers cannot restructure the models in time to change the science section but perhaps they could at least insist that the final report makes proper allowance for the structural uncertainty in the model outcomes .

CONCLUSION:

Trenberth’s latest work implies that when it is incorporated into the climate models the entire CAGW  scare will collapse.

The only effect of increasing CO2 will be to ameliorate slightly the coming cold  temperature trend and to help world food production by its fertilizing effect on crops.

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apachewhoknows
February 22, 2013 8:54 am

Mann etal now use the slow ball, the stall, the dance on the head of any pin, get them to dance until the head of every pin is worn down or their boots have holes and their feet hurt to much to conitnue.
It is not about CO2 or the Sun.
It is about re-distribution of wealth and political power.
Your playing the wrong game.

February 22, 2013 9:00 am

Dr Norman Page says:
“5.There is some other solar caused mechanism which acts in conjuction with or amplfies the TSI changes to affect the Temperature.”
He answered that one back here:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/21/haigh-anxiety-a-psycho-comedy-of-errors/#comment-1180637

Bart
February 22, 2013 9:10 am

lsvalgaard says:
February 22, 2013 at 7:37 am
“Your ideas about our complex climate are much too naive and simplistic. As Einstein said “make it as simple as possible, but no simpler”.”
Your ideas are tunnel visioned. Sorry you did not understand the analogy.

February 22, 2013 9:49 am

Bart says:
February 22, 2013 at 9:10 am
our ideas are tunnel visioned. Sorry you did not understand the analogy.
The analogy is false as most simpleminded analogies often are.
I don’t have ‘ideas’. I do science. So you can be sorry as much as you want about your unsupported insult about ‘tunnel vision’.
But even if we integrate our best estimate of the sunspot number over [say] 50 years we find that the result for the last 50 years is equal to the integrals ending in 1958, 1872, and 1798. The climates were very different over those intervals.

Gail Combs
February 22, 2013 10:01 am

lsvalgaard says:
February 22, 2013 at 8:41 am
Gail Combs says:
February 22, 2013 at 7:55 am
So we are back to the events with unknown causes. (Heinrich events occur during some, but not all, of the periodic cold spells preceding the rapid warming events known as Dansgaard-Oeschger (D-O) events, which repeat around every 1,500 years.)
Another example of your uncritical running with old memes…..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
While your pdf was erasing all that empirical data from actual measurements done by several different scientists did it also erase the Medieval Warm Period period too just like the Hockey Stick did?

February 22, 2013 10:13 am

Gail Combs says:
February 22, 2013 at 10:01 am
While your pdf was erasing all that empirical data from actual measurements done by several different scientists did it also erase the Medieval Warm Period period too just like the Hockey Stick did?
You can do better than thus. First, you have to be specific. Which pdf? Second, Actual measurements? Which ones? Third: I have no mention of erasing the MWP. The HS throw back is unworthy of you.

Bart
February 22, 2013 10:38 am

lsvalgaard says:
February 22, 2013 at 9:49 am
Integration is a continuous process, and your timeline is arbitrary. I encourage others to look more closely and open-mindedly. Others have found a correlation.
No doubt, Leif will counter that Roger used the wrong SSN. Pfftt. If you wanted to find a correlation with whatever series you use, you would, though you might have to gain more knowledge of signals and systems than you have previously displayed.

February 22, 2013 10:44 am

Bart says:
February 22, 2013 at 10:38 am
Integration is a continuous process, and your timeline is arbitrary.
Any timeline is arbitrary.
No doubt, Leif will counter that Roger used the wrong SSN. Pfftt. If you wanted to find a correlation with whatever series you use, you would, though you might have to gain more knowledge of signals and systems than you have previously displayed.
People use the series that fit their pet theory. Signals and systems have nothing to do with the physics of the solar cycle or the climate.

February 22, 2013 11:10 am

I found these Q&A’s with Leif (from NASA on the Sun: 1/11 11:38 WUWT) to be illuminating. Bold are Leif’s answers.

Let’s talk about the elephant in the room: The Maunder Minimum and the Little Ice Age. Is it an elephant or a mouse?
it is an elephant, for sure
The Maunder might be a real event. It might be a measurement artifact as a result of poor calibration and stubborn observatory directors.
It is not an artifact.
The Little Ice Age might be a real global climate event, a regional climate event, an extreme weather event that became folklore.
The LIA is real too
the link could be anywhere in a spectrum of causal to purely coincidental.
And I put in in the latter category.

[That is a might big elephant of a coincidence.]
Leif went on to make some comments and links to projects related to recalibrating the historical Sun Spot Numbers saying that records pre-1826 were the subject of work starting in late-January 2013 meetings. So it will be interesting if the Dalton minimum (1790-1830) survives the recalibration project.

Rob Ricket
February 22, 2013 11:16 am

Dr. S., the clarification is appreciated.
Since the reconstructions deviate from empirically measured TSI and sun spot counts, the entire reconstruction must be considered unreliable. It would seem that persons heavily invested in the TSI/sunspot connection to climate change face a critical test of humility. We have already seen that Mann and his cohorts have failed badly when faced with similar circumstances.
Ether we skeptics stand for truth or we stand for nothing. What say you Dr. Page?

February 22, 2013 11:18 am

Bart says:
February 22, 2013 at 10:38 am
Others have found a correlation.
By careful sleight of hand, omitting relevant data [a standard trick]. If one repeats Roger’s exercise with the total sunspot record back to where it is reasonably well established [1749] one gets
http://www.leif.org/research/Roger-Integral-Comparison.png
The blue and pink curves are our best estimates of the sunspot number [pink] and the Group Sunspot number [blue]. The yellow is just the pink minus its long-term average [57.75].
The heavy red curve is the integral of the yellow. I have overlaid Roger’s graph and offset it a bit down to not obscure the red curve. The larger difference prior to the 1940s is caused by the Waldmeier artificial increase due to weighting of the spots. There is now agreement that this should be corrected for [as I have done]. Note, that the red curve now is close to where it was in the 1870s and 1810s [the Dalton Minimum, BTW]. So much for that ‘correlation’. Perhaps you shouldn’t comment on something you don’t know anything about…

Bart
February 22, 2013 11:20 am

lsvalgaard says:
February 22, 2013 at 10:44 am
“Any timeline is arbitrary.”
No, it is a question of how much past memory the system has, i.e., how long a timeline over which the past influences the present. It is a continuous process, not an increment. Your 50 year argument has no merit.
“Signals and systems have nothing to do with the physics of the solar cycle or the climate.”
Right, because they’re not systems, and they produce no signals. Silly me.

February 22, 2013 11:24 am

Rob Ricket says:
February 22, 2013 at 11:16 am
It would seem that persons heavily invested in the TSI/sunspot connection to climate change face a critical test of humility
Since the other solar parameters vary the same way as TSI [the variations are all due to the same cause: solar magnetism] the same test applies to all claimed correlations. Now, nothing in Science is carved in stone and new data can always change the situation. A real problem is that some people cling to old data as long as the old data conforms to their agenda and beliefs. Luckily, science is self-correcting and old folks eventually die off.

February 22, 2013 11:30 am

Bart says:
February 22, 2013 at 11:20 am
No, it is a question of how much past memory the system has, i.e., how long a timeline over which the past influences the present. It is a continuous process, not an increment. Your 50 year argument has no merit.
Wrong. As memory fades with time. The influence of the past gets weaker with time until lost in the noise. But see http://www.leif.org/research/Roger-Integral-Comparison.png
“Signals and systems have nothing to do with the physics of the solar cycle or the climate.”
Right, because they’re not systems, and they produce no signals. Silly me.

Coming to terms with your own silliness is always the first step to enlightenment. We can hope for further progress on your way to Damascus.

February 22, 2013 12:12 pm

lsvalgaard says:
February 22, 2013 at 11:24 am
“Since the other solar parameters vary the same way as TSI..”
Not plasma speed:
http://snag.gy/UtqpX.jpg
http://protonsforbreakfast.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/composite-total-solar-irradiance.gif

February 22, 2013 12:28 pm

Ulric Lyons says:
February 22, 2013 at 12:12 pm
“Since the other solar parameters vary the same way as TSI..”
Not plasma speed:

On a day-by-day basis, of course, they don’t, but the meaning of my statement is that each parameter follows the solar cycle in a characteristic way (that can vary from parameter to parameter). For the solar wind speed at Earth there is a minimum just after sunspot minimum then rising to a maximum during the declining phase of the cycle, see. slide 55 of http://www.leif.org/research/Two%20Centuries%20Space%20Weather.pdf
BTW, the solar wind speed is not the same everywhere in the Heliosphere. Over the polar caps the variation is quite different: large speed at solar minimum and low speed at solar maximum. The main point is that the variation has a characteristic variation over the solar cycle, which largely repeats in every cycle [for well-understood reasons].

Bart
February 22, 2013 12:57 pm

lsvalgaard says:
February 22, 2013 at 11:30 am
“Wrong. As memory fades with time. The influence of the past gets weaker with time until lost in the noise.”
(Sigh) Yes but, over what time? 5o years is arbitrary. The effective time constants, relative to an equilibrium condition, could be hundreds, even thousands of years.

February 22, 2013 1:04 pm

lsvalgaard said:
” The main point is that the variation has a characteristic variation over the solar cycle, which largely repeats in every cycle”
It still does not vary with TSI, neither is it anywhere near as consistent, the typical low points are highly variable from cycle to cycle. The solar cycle peaks at 1969 and 1979 see a fall in plasma speeds, unlike the next two cycles, and the drops just after minimum are *much* lower in cycles 23 and 24.

February 22, 2013 1:17 pm

Bart says:
February 22, 2013 at 12:57 pm
(Sigh) Yes but, over what time? 5o years is arbitrary.
seems close to the characteristic time of the variation of the integral, but more to the point my reproduction of Roger’s curve shows that we are now near where the integral was in the 1870s, 1810s, and that his ‘correlation’ breaks down on the full dataset.
The effective time constants, relative to an equilibrium condition, could be hundreds, even thousands of years.
Go tell that to people who find correlations on timescales of decades or years. There are time constants on many scales. You really are out of your depth here. Time to cut your losses.
Ulric Lyons says:
February 22, 2013 at 1:04 pm
It still does not vary with TSI, neither is it anywhere near as consistent, the typical low points are highly variable from cycle to cycle.
Once you have enough cycles [we have 11 now] a consistent pattern emerges as I showed you.

Reply to  lsvalgaard
February 22, 2013 4:07 pm

Lief,
What do you think about this:

ABSTRACT
Solar energy as modeled over the last three centuries contains patterns that match the full 160 year instrument record of Earth’s surface temperature. Earth’s surface temperature throughout the modern record is given by
EQ01(1)
where Sn is the increase in Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) measured as the running percentage rise in the trend at every instance in time, t, for the previous n years. The parameters are best fits with the values m134=18.33ºC/%, m46=-3.68ºC/%, b=13.57(-0.43)ºC, and τ=6 years. The value of b in parenthesis gives T(t) as a temperature anomaly. One standard deviation of the error between the equation and the HadCRUT3 data is 0.11ºC (about one ordinate interval). Values for a good approximation (σ=0.13ºC) with a single solar running trend are m134=17.50ºC/%, m46=0, b=13.55(-0.45)ºC, and τ=10 years.

Where you’d have two energy/temp delays, both oceanic in this case, one surface warming, the second delayed ocean warming due to currents cycling water into the ocean conveyor system.
Dr Glassman derived the equation from the temperature signal and TSI, I realize (I think from some of your posts) the TSI signal needed revised, and it’s possible he used the old value, and might therefore need to modify the equation, but I think there’s still a useful point that we could be dealing with a system that has multiple time delays.

February 22, 2013 1:40 pm

svalgaard said:
“Once you have enough cycles [we have 11 now] a consistent pattern emerges as I showed you.”
Typical, but far from consistent.

Bart
February 22, 2013 1:50 pm

lsvalgaard says:
February 22, 2013 at 1:17 pm
“…seems close to the characteristic time of the variation of the integral”
Do you even know what an integral is? I think I may have been wrong to assume that you did.
“Go tell that to people who find correlations on timescales of decades or years. “
You do not understand the concept of time constants in the context of perturbed systems.

Bart
February 22, 2013 1:52 pm

Over and out. Leif is often wrong, but seldom in doubt. Arguing is pointless.

February 22, 2013 2:15 pm

Bart says:
February 22, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Over and out. Leif is often wrong, but seldom in doubt. Arguing is pointless.
To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The nail you are looking at is not how the sun or the climate works. Sagan is [again] of application to your comments: “Science is a way to call the bluff of those who only pretend to knowledge” [Carl Sagan]

February 22, 2013 2:22 pm

Ulric Lyons says:
February 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Typical, but far from consistent.
It is the difference between [space] weather and [space] climate. But the solar wind speed has little if any relevance to the climate of the Earth. What might matter is the energy in the flow which minimizes at solar maximum and in the magnetic field which maximizes close to solar maximum. What would you think the solar was during the Maunder Minimum?

February 22, 2013 2:26 pm

Rob Rickett You say ” Either we skeptics stand for truth or we stand for nothing. What say you Dr. Page?” Of course – but the problem is knowing what the truth is. As an undergrad in Geology at Oxford the value of multiple working hypotheses was impressed upon me. Who in science ever knows what the truth is ? We always see through a glass darkly. In the first instance -looking at a correlation problem I have learned , after 40 years in oil exploration that you don’t have to understand the mechanisms behind a correlation ,for it to be useful. In this article I merely point out correlations between Leifs Ap data set and NH SST data. Any reader can look at the figs 3 and 4 provided and make his own judgement.Similarly I point out the correlation between the Cosmic ray intensity and the various Little Ice Age minima in Steinhilbers paper Fig 6
At this time I think the Ap index and the Neutron Count (a reflection of cosmic ray intensity) are useful proxies for “Solar Activity “as it effects earth. and are probably more useful than TSI because they vary more than TSI does. This says nothing at all about the mechanisms by which this “solar activity “affects earths climate.
Again my Forecast of cooling –
http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com/2013/01/global-cooling-timing-and-amountnh.html
is based on the simple idea that there is a millenial solar cycle which we are about to repeat – check the Christiansen Fig 5 in the above link.
Clearly everyone brings to the table their whole background of knowledge and experience when making their judgements on the ideas presented in any Article and I am pleased to see the number of comments generated here and the ,shall we say ,sometimes vigorous discussion.I always feel that one learns more from knowledgeable people who disagree with you than from those who agree.In the exploration business it was always helpful to have an abominable no man like Leif around – that doesn’t mean that he is always or even usually right but at least his observations are almost always pertinent and cannot simply be ignored.without due consideration.

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