It's the Sun stupid – The minor significance of CO2

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Guest post by Dr. Norman Page

1 The IPCC’s Core Problem

The IPCC  – Al Gore based  Anthropogenic Global Warming scare has driven global  Governments’ Climate and Energy Policies since the turn of the century. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted on uneconomic renewable energy  and CO2 emission control schemes based on the notions  that it is both necessary and possible to control global temperatures by reducing CO2 emissions. All this vast investment is based on the simple idea that as stated in the IPCC AR4 report:

“we conclude that the global mean equilibrium warming for doubling CO2, or ‘equilibrium climate sensitivity’, is likely to lie in the range 2°C to 4.5°C, with a most likely value of about 3°C. Equilibrium climate sensitivity is very likely larger than 1.5°C.”

These values  can only be reached by adopting two completely unfounded and indeed illogical assumptions and procedures:

1. CO2 is simply assumed to be the main climate forcing .This is clearly illogical  because at all time scales CO2 changes follow temperature changes.

2.  Positive feedback  from the other GHGs – notably water vapour and methane is then added on to the effects of CO2 and attributed to it. Obviously, in nature,  the increase in  CO2 and  Humidity  are  both caused by rising temperatures. It is also impossible to have a net positive feedback because systems with total positive feed back are not stable and simply run away to disaster. We wouldn’t be here to tell the tale if it were true.

From its inception the IPCCs remit was to measure Anthropogenic  Climate Change and indeed Climate Change was defined as Anthropogenic until the 2011 SREX report when the definition was changed.The climate science community simply designed their models to satisfy the political  requirements of their funding agencies. – Publications, academic positions,peer approval , institutional advancement and grants were unlikely to be forthcoming unless appropriate forecasts of catastrophic warming were dutifully produced. The climate models have egregious structural errors and ,what is worse, in their estimates of  uncertainty the IPCC reports for Policymakers simply ignored this structural uncertainty and gave policy makers and the general public a totally false impression of the likely accuracy  of their temperature forecasts.It is this aspect of the AGW meme which is especially unconscionable.

The inadequacy, not to say inanity, of the climate models can be seen by simple inspection of the following Figure 2-20  from the AR4 WG1 report.

Figure 1 from IPCC AR4

The only natural forcing is TSI and everything else is anthropogenic. For example under natural should come such things as eg Milankovitch Orbital Cycles,Lunar related tidal effects on ocean currents,Earths geomagnetic field strength and all the Solar Activity data time series – eg Solar  Magnetic Sield strength, TSI ,SSNs ,GCRs ,( effect on aerosols,clouds and albedo) CHs, MCEs, EUV variations, and associated ozone variations and Forbush events. Unless the range and causes of natural variation are known within reasonably narrow limits it is simply not possible to calculate the effect of anthropogenic CO2 on climate.

The results of this gross error of scientific judgement is seen in the growing discrepancy between global temperature trends and the model projections. The  NOAA  SSTs show that with CO2 up 8% there has been no net warming since 1997, that ,the warming trend peaked in 2003 and that there has been a cooling trend since that time.

ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/annual.ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat

The gap between projections and observations  is seen  below

Fig 2 ( From Prof. Jan-Erik Solheim (Oslo) )

2, The Real Climate Drivers.

Earths climate is the result of resonances between various quasicyclic processes of varying wavelengths. The long wave Milankovich eccentricity,obliquity and precessional cycles are modulated by solar “activity” cycles with millennial centennial and decadal time scales .These in turn interact with lunar cycles and endogenous earth changes in Geomagnetic Field strength ,volcanic activity and at really long time scales plate tectonic movements of the land masses.The combination of all these drivers is mediated through the great oceanic current and atmospheric pressure systems to produce the earths climate and weather.

To help forecast decadal  and annual changes we can look at eg the ENSO  PDO, AMO NAO indices and based on past patterns make reasonable forecasts for varying future periods. Currently the PDO suggests we may expect 20 – 30 years of cooling in the immediate future.Similarly for multidecadal, centennial and millennial predictions we need to know where we are relative to the appropriate solar cycles.The best proxies for solar “activity”are currently ,the Ap index, and the GCR produced neutron count. The solar indices are particularly important  for their past history these can be retrieved from the 10 Be data.

In a previous post on   http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com  on  1/22/13 – Global Cooling – Timing and Amount(NH) I have made suggestions of possible future cooling based on a repetition of the solar millennial cycle. Here I point out for the modellers the value of using the Ap index as a proxy measure of solar activity. Compare the Northern Hemisphere HADSST3 Temperature anomaly since 1910 with the AP index since 1900 . Because of the thermal inertia and slow change in the enthalpy of the oceans there is a 10 – 12 year delay between the driver proxy  and the temperature.

Fig 3 – From Hadley Center

Fig 4  From  http://www.leif.org/research/Ap-1844-now.png

There are some good correlations .The 1900 and 1965 Ap lows correspond to the NH  temperature minima at 1910 and 1975 respectively . The 1992 Ap peak ( Solar Cycle 22)  corresponds to the 2003 temperature high and trend roll over- and as shown in the previous post referred to above might well represent  the roll over of the millennial solar cycle which brought the Medieval and Roman warming peaks. The NH is used because it is more sensitive to forcing changes and its greater variability makes correlation more obvious.

As a simple conceptual model the Ap index can be thought of as simple proxy for hours of sunshine especially when mentally integrated over a 10 -12 year period.  See Wang et al

http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/9581/2012/acp-12-9581-2012.pdf

As far as the future is concerned the Solar Cycle  23/24 Ap minimum in end 2009 is as low as the 1900 minimum and would suggest both a secular change in solar activity in about 2006 and a coming temperature minimum at about 2019/20. This change is also documented for TSI by  Adbussamatov  2012 http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/apr/article/view/14754

Fig 5.

As a final example for this post  the following figure from Steinhilber et al http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/03/30/1118965109.full.pdf

shows the close correlation of successive Little Ice Age Minima with cosmic Ray intensity.

                                                                                                    Fig 6

CONCLUSION :    

It is now clear that the Ap/GCR/10Be data are the best proxy measures of the Earth’s temperature driver over millennial centennial and decadal time scales. The best way of forecasting the future is to predict future solar cycles at these wavelengths keeping in mind the Earth’s magnetic field strength and obliquity trends over longer time periods.

3. The Response of the Modellers, IPCC and Political Alarmists.

The modelling community and the IPCC have both recognized that they have a problem. For example both Hansen and Trenberth have been looking for the missing heat and generating epicycle type theories to preserve their models.Hansen thinks it might have something to do with aerosols and Trenberth first wanted to hide it down the deep ocean black hole. Death Train Hansen is a lost cause as far as objective science is concerned but Trenberth has always been a more objective and judicious scientist and has recently made excellent  progress in discovering a real negative feedback in the system. see

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outreach/proceedings/cdw31_proceedings/S6_05_Kevin_Trenberth_NCAR.ppt

He says:

This is an encouraging start and its inclusion would improve models significantly. Clearly it would reduce very substantially the currently IPCC calculated temperature sensitivity to CO2 . He now also needs to add into the models the iris effect of the GCR modulation  of the global incoming radiation flux via clouds ,possibly related natural aerosols, and resulting  albedo changes on global temperatures.When this is done the sensitivity to doubling  CO2 will be 1 degree or less similar to  separate calculations by Lindzen, Spencer and Bjornbom:

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/01/new-paper-confirms-findings-of-lindzen.html

The IPCC ‘s response to the lack of warming is seen in the SREX  2011 report. they say

“Uncertainty in the sign of projected changes in climate extremes over the coming two to three decades is relatively large because climate change signals are expected to be relatively small compared to natural climate variability”.

In other words they realized  that they could no longer scaremonger on the basis of the trend and so in that report and in the forthcoming AR5 they have chosen to concentrate on “extreme” events to promote their scaremongering anti CO2 policy agenda  while keeping unchanged their climate sensitivity calculations. The core alarmists  Hansen, Mann, McKibben and Romm and their MSM ,Celebrity and Political  acolytes including Obama are simply following the IPCC script with their ever more hysterical predictions of future extreme disasters as the current earth obstinately refuses to warm up.

The AR5 Summary for Policymakers is currently in draft form.Obviously Trenberth and his associated modellers cannot restructure the models in time to change the science section but perhaps they could at least insist that the final report makes proper allowance for the structural uncertainty in the model outcomes .

CONCLUSION:

Trenberth’s latest work implies that when it is incorporated into the climate models the entire CAGW  scare will collapse.

The only effect of increasing CO2 will be to ameliorate slightly the coming cold  temperature trend and to help world food production by its fertilizing effect on crops.

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February 20, 2013 2:53 pm

vukcevic says:
February 20, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I quoted only the accurate bit., for the rest :
nonsense. E.g. that the variability of 25% of the variability. Your learning problem still dominates.

manicbeancounter
February 20, 2013 3:06 pm

There is another issue with Figure 2-20 from the AR4 WG1 report, apart from the near absence of the natural factors. The range of uncertainty is contrived.
Adding up mid-points of the positive forcings (CO2, CH4 etc.) gives 3.17 Wm-2. Summing the low values gives 2.64 Wm-2 and high values gives 3.90 Wm-2.
(3.90-2.64)*100/3.17 = 40%.
Adding up mid-points of the negative forcings (Aerosols) gives -1.45 Wm-2. Summing the low values gives -3.25 Wm-2 and high values gives -0.35 Wm-2.
(-3.25+0.35)*100/-1.45 = 200%.
Try moving any figure by 0.01 and the percentages do not round so nicely. Check for yourselves.
http://manicbeancounter.com/2012/06/03/forcings-hansen-et-al-2000-v-unipcc-2007/

RERT
February 20, 2013 3:07 pm

The alarm bell in this piece is ‘There are some good correlations’. You can’t do that by eye: there needs to be a neutral process to identify if your theory works. I don’t care if I’m talking dirty, you need a MODEL which is built from data in one period, correctly hindcasts the history of a subsequent period, and then, and only then, can we start to worry about what it says about the future. Not doing that is the whole problem with CAGW…

February 20, 2013 3:23 pm

lsvalgaard says: February 20, 2013 at 2:53 pm
……
If it helps:
Amplitude of geomagnetic 22 year cycle shown in the graph
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/AGT.htm
is about 25% of the total geomagnetic change on one century scale, as it is very clearly shown in here
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/GMF-SSN.htm (top graph)
Conclusion: it is not too small, and it is not ‘few days’.
You are either wrong or misinformed.

James Griffin
February 20, 2013 3:29 pm

To celebrate this article The World Match Play Golf Championship in the Arizona desert was suspended due to snow earlier today.
Nature has a sense of humour!

February 20, 2013 3:42 pm

manicbeancounter says:
February 20, 2013 at 3:06 pm
The range of uncertainty is contrived. Adding up mid-points of the positive forcings (CO2, CH4 etc.) gives 3.17 Wm-2. Summing the low values gives 2.64 Wm-2 and high values gives 3.90 Wm-2. (3.90-2.64)*100/3.17 = 40%.
That is not how uncertainties should be calculated. See e.g. here: http://spiff.rit.edu/classes/phys273/uncert/uncert.html#fraction

MattN
February 20, 2013 4:13 pm

I watched ‘Little Ice Age, Big Chill’ again a week or so ago. They claim a .5% decrease in TSI is all it too to kick off the LIA. If we’re ~1365 now, .5% lower is only 1358.
Having said that, we really need to see some definitive cooling, not just non-warming, relatively soon or we are not going to look very smart….

February 20, 2013 4:17 pm

lsvalgaard [February 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm] says:
Climate is driven by a combination of many processes. Some drivers [in decreasing order of significance] are;
(0) non-linear combinations of the following:
(1) the Sun [its output has increased 30% over the history of the Earth, and will eventually fry us],
(2) plate tectonics [enabling ice sheets to form if land is near the poles, or creating vast deserts in the interior of equatorial mega-continents],
(3) Jupiter [through its influence on the orbit of the Earth – Milankovitch cycles],
(4) greenhouse gases [massive volcanic emissions, e.g. the Deccan Traps],
(5) biosphere [changing albedo of the surface],
(6) ocean circulation,
(7) solar activity [causing a 0.1 degree solar cycle variation], and last [and probably least]
(8) human activity [land use and CO2 emissions].
Where are we headed?
(1) we’ll fry in several hundred millions years,
(3) glaciation in 50,000 years,
(6) don’t know,
(7) decrease of perhaps 0.1 degrees,
(8) probably negligible, but it would be beneficial if I’m wrong on this [warm is better than cold]. The biggest unknown is
(0) how all these changes will interact non-linearly.

( please pardon the reformatting, but that reply was particularly substantive and deserves clarity, clearly both you and Mosher must use the same software 🙂
Since we are talking about “climate” and not the distant future end-game of the solar system, I would think that (#2) and (#3) belong right at the top. Indeed they work together with infinite possible permutations, so many that their positions and resultant conditions can never exactly repeat. That goes pretty much the same for (#3) taken by itself. Milankovitch and quasi-Milankovitch orbital parameters, specifically axial tilt variation, Earth orbit eccentricity (elliptical vs circular), seasonal precession combinations all look repetitious and predictable, but just as you mention Jupiter, it’s effect (and others like the moon) result from infinite possible permutations of their locations (i.e., each snapshot we take of current orbital locations has never actually occurred before, each day is completely new and unique).
If we are going to be wasting massive computer power on anything it should be on this very subject, plotting everything we know about all the orbits and sub-details of all heavenly bodies (axial tilt, etc), both backward and forward in time. Similar effort should be expended with computer plotting of continental movement (and related sub-details like mantle, crust, core, etc) forward and backward in time. These two categories, (#2) and (#3) and how they interact is where all the real action is (well probably 99% of it anyway), not in CO2 concentration and other childish distractions. We knew this 50 years ago before pop-Science reared its ugly head.
One possible addition to the first list is impact events, though I doubt we can say exactly where it belongs. But the 65 MYA event certainly altered climate for some time.
On the 2nd list, I’m with you except for the certainty of stating “glaciation in 50,000 years”, which is way too definitive to say the least. Maybe “glaciation in no later than 50,000 years”, but not something with that degree of certainty. Since the cause of Younger Dryas is still lying out there under a great big question mark, this particular subject should carry a great big red flag. Furthermore, stating it as certain in 50,000 years only serves to supply the AGW kooks with a talking point, that “we’re warming way ahead of schedule” or something like that. We know only a fraction of what we need to know before we can make these statements.

Simon
February 20, 2013 4:22 pm

One problem with your theory, solar variation has only been around 0.1–0.2% for the last 2000 years.

February 20, 2013 4:28 pm

vukcevic says:
February 20, 2013 at 3:23 pm
If it helps…
It does not help. There is no such variation and the sun doesn’t have any either.

February 20, 2013 4:35 pm

Figure 2 should tell it all and stop it all. But it hasn’t. Actually, Tamino et al claim that the observations match Scenario B.
I must be missing something about how lines compare.
Weird, or what?

davidgmills
February 20, 2013 4:59 pm

Any idea when we are going to hear from Kirkby, et al at CERN. I thought they were coming out with a second paper about a year after the first. What gives?

davidgmills
February 20, 2013 5:03 pm

I’m ready for a WWF match between Svalgaard and Svensmark. Anthony, can you get us a ring?

February 20, 2013 5:33 pm

“Once again we get a thread in which every opinion is wrong except those of Dr. Leif Svalgaard, who insists that…um…well, actually I’m not sure what he insists, other than than everyone else is always wrong. Say, Dr. Svalgaard, could you point us to a document you wrote that tells us what you think is driving the climate and where it is headed from here?”
Not to put a harsh edge on it, but the comment above is often how proponents of catastrophic man-made global warming treat skeptics. I don’t think it helps. Dr. Svalgaard takes a good bit of time answering questions on this blog and we are all more knowledgeable for it, even when we disagree.
As an engineer who works with quite a few young people I often find myself saying, “I don’t necessarily know the right answer, but I know the one you just gave me is wrong.” I say this so often eyes immediately start rolling and they walk away frustrated, but most of the time they come back with the right answer.
Just because a person understands an answer to be incomplete or wrong, doesn’t mean they have to know the right one.

actuatort
February 20, 2013 5:48 pm

If, as I understand it, the planet has a several million year history of around 100k year glacial periods interrupted by 15-20k warm interglacial periods, and we are now 15k or so into the current interglacial, why will glaciation not begin to occur sooner than 50k? According to Wiki the Holocene begins with the current interglacial. What happened other than the advent of human dominance of the planet that signaled the end of the Pleistocene? When I look at the list that Leif provided and where he ranked human activity it would seem that some of us humans are arrogant enough to say we’re in charge here and the laws of physics that rule the universe don’t matter.

Jim G
February 20, 2013 5:54 pm

Leif,
I note that volcanism and extraterrestrial originating impacts are not specificaly listed in your factors of potential importance to climate. No effects in your opinion or just didn’t make the cut on degree of importance in your list? Either could, of course, affect others that are on your list. Otherwise, good list and in particular the point that we do not yet know their complex relationships at this time.

Bart
February 20, 2013 6:47 pm

Rud Istvan says:
February 20, 2013 at 11:12 am
“Positive feedbacks (first derivative equivalent) only necessarily create an unstable system if the second derivative equivalent is positive semi-definite.”
There is always an overarching negative feedback from radiation which, being proportional to temperature to the 4th power, is very powerful. But, that is insufficient on its own to ensure that the system is locally stable. And, positive internal feedbacks tend to make systems more variable, potentially even erratic. Pace the current memes floating around in the compliant media, there is no compelling evidence that weather patterns are becoming substantially more variable. Quite the contrary, we appear to be living in a fairly quiescent era.
Let’s take a look at some data and construct a toy model with history which, like the modern Earth, is generally well-behaved. This plot shows that CO2 obeys a relationship of the form
d/dt(CO2) = k*Ta
where CO2 is the delta-concentration, Ta is temperature anomaly relative to a particular baseline, and k is a coupling constant greater than zero. Let us suppose that
d/dt(Ta) = -a*Ta + b*CO2
where a is the radiation sensitivity and b, according to the IPCC and the basic GHE, is positive. However, it is elementary to show that, if b is greater than zero, then Ta is not locally stable. Unless the parameters change very rapidly with operating condition, the region of instability will be fairly large. Consider it unlikely that they would. It follows that the overall sensitivity of surface temperature to CO2 on this toy planet goes beyond the basic GHE, and is net zero or even negative.
How much does this toy planet resemble the Earth, in all its complexity? I believe reasonably closely to draw likely conclusions.

February 20, 2013 7:00 pm

Jim G says:
February 20, 2013 at 5:54 pm
I note that volcanism and extraterrestrial originating impacts are not specificaly listed in your factors of potential importance to climate.
Volcanism is in point (4). Impacts can ruin the day, of course, but are rather unpredictable, so I did not include them as something we can model.

February 20, 2013 7:05 pm

actuatort says:
February 20, 2013 at 5:48 pm
why will glaciation not begin to occur sooner than 50k?
Work by Berger and Loutre suggests that the current warm climate may last another 50,000 years: Berger A, Loutre MF (2002). “Climate: An exceptionally long interglacial ahead?”. Science 297 (5585): 1287–8. doi:10.1126/science.1076120. PMID 12193773. The reason is a minimum in the eccentricity of Earth’s orbit around the Sun.

Larry Brasfield
February 20, 2013 7:10 pm

While I agree with most of the points made and the article’s reasoning, I think it would be less subject to being used as an example of non-AGW-alarmist ignorance if the assertion “systems with total positive feed back are not stable” were to be quantified. It is systems with positive feedback where the loop gain exceeds 1 that are unstable. Positive loop gain below that value has the effect of increasing gain with respect to specific inputs, but does not produce instability.

Bart
February 20, 2013 7:59 pm

Larry Brasfield says:
February 20, 2013 at 7:10 pm
That is the small gain theorem, and it assumes the plant is open loop stable, i.e., that there is a dominant negative feedback stabilizing the system – a loop gain of unity determines the dividing line between dominant and subordinate. So, if the phrase “total positive feedback” is interpreted as “dominant positive feedback”, he would be correct.
The question is, if you have a positive feedback, what is the dominating negative feedback which stabilizes it? As I showed with an example above above, there may not be a known mechanism available which easily can.
The other GHGs, principally H2O, are thought to have the same relationship to temperature as CO2: as temperature rises, H2O in the atmosphere increases. If increasing H2O also increases the temperature, you have a very powerful positive feedback cycle going on. But, this is not possible based on the stable history, so there is clearly a flaw in the thinking. The assumption that the local sensitivity of temperature to these GHGs is positive appears to be very problematic.
Back on the discussion Willis Eschenbach’s “steel shell” analogy to the GHE, I showed that, because increasing the thickness of the shell increases the radiating area to space and decreases the radiating area to the ground, it generally decreases the surface temperature from what it would be with a thinner shell. I suspect there is something like that going on which actually prevents the local sensitivity of temperature to increasing GHGs from being overall positive. That still allows a global GHE which warms the surface above what it would be without the GHGs, but it has a natural limit, beyond which one gets diminishing, and even negative, returns.

Jim G
February 20, 2013 8:26 pm

Leif,
I read your post twice but did not see the volcanism in there but that aside, I suspect that volcanism and impacts, due to their irregular and unpredictable nature, may be two of the causes for climate to be not only nonlinear but actually perhaps chaotic in nature causing predictability of even the best of “models”, of which we have none at present, to be poor at best. Only the Milankovitch cycles seem to be somewhat “regular” on the grossest basis and longer term time scales. In any event, homo sapiens sapiens has little or nothing causal to do with any of it.

February 20, 2013 8:33 pm

Jim G says:
February 20, 2013 at 8:26 pm
I read your post twice but did not see the volcanism in there
“(4) greenhouse gases [massive volcanic emissions, e.g. the Deccan Traps]”
It is in bold now. Next time it will be with CAPITAL letters 🙂
Only the Milankovitch cycles seem to be somewhat “regular”
The future behavior of the Sun is the best known of all [stellar evolution is highly successful because we have literally billions of examplars to compare the theory with]. But as you say, at this point in time we can’t do anything about it.

johnnythelowery
February 20, 2013 8:34 pm

Leif: A quick digression back to the Meteorite hit. I feel we were lucky that the Meteorite approached off center and so travelled horizontally, or slightly less than, extending the time it was in the atmosphere where molecules could whither it down. Had it hit perpendicularly, it may have made it to ground relatively with less whithering. Had it hit the ocean in such a scenario, super cavitation might play a role perhaps, until it hit the ocean floor even (maybe?). The size of the resulting Toon Army needs to be determined, if there is a role of supercavitation in such a vertical descent into the ocean, and what can be done in the event a inbound perpendicular collision is imminent, known, and forcasted.

February 20, 2013 8:39 pm

johnnythelowery says:
February 20, 2013 at 8:34 pm
a vertical descent into the ocean, and what can be done in the event a inbound perpendicular collision is imminent, known, and forcasted.
Head for higher ground …

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