Guest post by Dr. Norman Page
1 The IPCC’s Core Problem
The IPCC – Al Gore based Anthropogenic Global Warming scare has driven global Governments’ Climate and Energy Policies since the turn of the century. Hundreds of billions of dollars have been wasted on uneconomic renewable energy and CO2 emission control schemes based on the notions that it is both necessary and possible to control global temperatures by reducing CO2 emissions. All this vast investment is based on the simple idea that as stated in the IPCC AR4 report:
“we conclude that the global mean equilibrium warming for doubling CO2, or ‘equilibrium climate sensitivity’, is likely to lie in the range 2°C to 4.5°C, with a most likely value of about 3°C. Equilibrium climate sensitivity is very likely larger than 1.5°C.”
These values can only be reached by adopting two completely unfounded and indeed illogical assumptions and procedures:
1. CO2 is simply assumed to be the main climate forcing .This is clearly illogical because at all time scales CO2 changes follow temperature changes.
2. Positive feedback from the other GHGs – notably water vapour and methane is then added on to the effects of CO2 and attributed to it. Obviously, in nature, the increase in CO2 and Humidity are both caused by rising temperatures. It is also impossible to have a net positive feedback because systems with total positive feed back are not stable and simply run away to disaster. We wouldn’t be here to tell the tale if it were true.
From its inception the IPCCs remit was to measure Anthropogenic Climate Change and indeed Climate Change was defined as Anthropogenic until the 2011 SREX report when the definition was changed.The climate science community simply designed their models to satisfy the political requirements of their funding agencies. – Publications, academic positions,peer approval , institutional advancement and grants were unlikely to be forthcoming unless appropriate forecasts of catastrophic warming were dutifully produced. The climate models have egregious structural errors and ,what is worse, in their estimates of uncertainty the IPCC reports for Policymakers simply ignored this structural uncertainty and gave policy makers and the general public a totally false impression of the likely accuracy of their temperature forecasts.It is this aspect of the AGW meme which is especially unconscionable.
The inadequacy, not to say inanity, of the climate models can be seen by simple inspection of the following Figure 2-20 from the AR4 WG1 report.
Figure 1 from IPCC AR4
The only natural forcing is TSI and everything else is anthropogenic. For example under natural should come such things as eg Milankovitch Orbital Cycles,Lunar related tidal effects on ocean currents,Earths geomagnetic field strength and all the Solar Activity data time series – eg Solar Magnetic Sield strength, TSI ,SSNs ,GCRs ,( effect on aerosols,clouds and albedo) CHs, MCEs, EUV variations, and associated ozone variations and Forbush events. Unless the range and causes of natural variation are known within reasonably narrow limits it is simply not possible to calculate the effect of anthropogenic CO2 on climate.
The results of this gross error of scientific judgement is seen in the growing discrepancy between global temperature trends and the model projections. The NOAA SSTs show that with CO2 up 8% there has been no net warming since 1997, that ,the warming trend peaked in 2003 and that there has been a cooling trend since that time.
ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/annual.ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat
The gap between projections and observations is seen below
Fig 2 ( From Prof. Jan-Erik Solheim (Oslo) )
2, The Real Climate Drivers.
Earths climate is the result of resonances between various quasicyclic processes of varying wavelengths. The long wave Milankovich eccentricity,obliquity and precessional cycles are modulated by solar “activity” cycles with millennial centennial and decadal time scales .These in turn interact with lunar cycles and endogenous earth changes in Geomagnetic Field strength ,volcanic activity and at really long time scales plate tectonic movements of the land masses.The combination of all these drivers is mediated through the great oceanic current and atmospheric pressure systems to produce the earths climate and weather.
To help forecast decadal and annual changes we can look at eg the ENSO PDO, AMO NAO indices and based on past patterns make reasonable forecasts for varying future periods. Currently the PDO suggests we may expect 20 – 30 years of cooling in the immediate future.Similarly for multidecadal, centennial and millennial predictions we need to know where we are relative to the appropriate solar cycles.The best proxies for solar “activity”are currently ,the Ap index, and the GCR produced neutron count. The solar indices are particularly important for their past history these can be retrieved from the 10 Be data.
In a previous post on http://climatesense-norpag.blogspot.com on 1/22/13 – Global Cooling – Timing and Amount(NH) I have made suggestions of possible future cooling based on a repetition of the solar millennial cycle. Here I point out for the modellers the value of using the Ap index as a proxy measure of solar activity. Compare the Northern Hemisphere HADSST3 Temperature anomaly since 1910 with the AP index since 1900 . Because of the thermal inertia and slow change in the enthalpy of the oceans there is a 10 – 12 year delay between the driver proxy and the temperature.
Fig 3 – From Hadley Center
Fig 4 From http://www.leif.org/research/Ap-1844-now.png
There are some good correlations .The 1900 and 1965 Ap lows correspond to the NH temperature minima at 1910 and 1975 respectively . The 1992 Ap peak ( Solar Cycle 22) corresponds to the 2003 temperature high and trend roll over- and as shown in the previous post referred to above might well represent the roll over of the millennial solar cycle which brought the Medieval and Roman warming peaks. The NH is used because it is more sensitive to forcing changes and its greater variability makes correlation more obvious.
As a simple conceptual model the Ap index can be thought of as simple proxy for hours of sunshine especially when mentally integrated over a 10 -12 year period. See Wang et al
http://www.atmos-chem-phys.net/12/9581/2012/acp-12-9581-2012.pdf
As far as the future is concerned the Solar Cycle 23/24 Ap minimum in end 2009 is as low as the 1900 minimum and would suggest both a secular change in solar activity in about 2006 and a coming temperature minimum at about 2019/20. This change is also documented for TSI by Adbussamatov 2012 http://www.ccsenet.org/journal/index.php/apr/article/view/14754
Fig 5.
As a final example for this post the following figure from Steinhilber et al http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/03/30/1118965109.full.pdf
shows the close correlation of successive Little Ice Age Minima with cosmic Ray intensity.
CONCLUSION :
It is now clear that the Ap/GCR/10Be data are the best proxy measures of the Earth’s temperature driver over millennial centennial and decadal time scales. The best way of forecasting the future is to predict future solar cycles at these wavelengths keeping in mind the Earth’s magnetic field strength and obliquity trends over longer time periods.
3. The Response of the Modellers, IPCC and Political Alarmists.
The modelling community and the IPCC have both recognized that they have a problem. For example both Hansen and Trenberth have been looking for the missing heat and generating epicycle type theories to preserve their models.Hansen thinks it might have something to do with aerosols and Trenberth first wanted to hide it down the deep ocean black hole. Death Train Hansen is a lost cause as far as objective science is concerned but Trenberth has always been a more objective and judicious scientist and has recently made excellent progress in discovering a real negative feedback in the system. see
He says:
This is an encouraging start and its inclusion would improve models significantly. Clearly it would reduce very substantially the currently IPCC calculated temperature sensitivity to CO2 . He now also needs to add into the models the iris effect of the GCR modulation of the global incoming radiation flux via clouds ,possibly related natural aerosols, and resulting albedo changes on global temperatures.When this is done the sensitivity to doubling CO2 will be 1 degree or less similar to separate calculations by Lindzen, Spencer and Bjornbom:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/01/new-paper-confirms-findings-of-lindzen.html
The IPCC ‘s response to the lack of warming is seen in the SREX 2011 report. they say
“Uncertainty in the sign of projected changes in climate extremes over the coming two to three decades is relatively large because climate change signals are expected to be relatively small compared to natural climate variability”.
In other words they realized that they could no longer scaremonger on the basis of the trend and so in that report and in the forthcoming AR5 they have chosen to concentrate on “extreme” events to promote their scaremongering anti CO2 policy agenda while keeping unchanged their climate sensitivity calculations. The core alarmists Hansen, Mann, McKibben and Romm and their MSM ,Celebrity and Political acolytes including Obama are simply following the IPCC script with their ever more hysterical predictions of future extreme disasters as the current earth obstinately refuses to warm up.
The AR5 Summary for Policymakers is currently in draft form.Obviously Trenberth and his associated modellers cannot restructure the models in time to change the science section but perhaps they could at least insist that the final report makes proper allowance for the structural uncertainty in the model outcomes .
CONCLUSION:
Trenberth’s latest work implies that when it is incorporated into the climate models the entire CAGW scare will collapse.
The only effect of increasing CO2 will be to ameliorate slightly the coming cold temperature trend and to help world food production by its fertilizing effect on crops.
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lsvalgaard says:
February 20, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Good! I kind of enjoy bumping against your “No,” Do notice the smiley face at the end of my post above.
Oops! Pardon my sloppiness. The comma should be a period.
Hi Henry
Few places around the equator show some warming but there are also some that do show cooling (Central Africa and S. America) but the huge majority of the Equatorial area is neutral, as you can clearly see here:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/2012-lt-anomaly_thumb.png
Helpfully pedantic. Pretty funny. The typo patrol at this blog has to be the fastest on the internet. It’s tiresome, but they are just trying to protect the site’s reputation from the jerks who’d use anything to destroy WUWT.
It’s beyond me how the models blaming co2 alone for warming ever were taken seriously in the first place. What kind of scientific community wouldn’t laugh at a model that excluded the sun? A dishonest one.
Dr. Page, what has been the radiative forcing of climate from Milankovitch Orbital Cycles from 1750 to 2005? Has it been significant in any way?
RockyRoad says:
February 20, 2013 at 12:34 pm
before you’re willing to concede that CO2 is not even close to being the controlling factor, Leif?
I would think that the word ‘concede’ implies that you assume that I think CO2 is the controlling factor, so who is assuming here?
And you are wrong about assuming that I think CO2 is not a factor AT ALL. Of course it has some effect, just like the Sun has, but neither are significant on the time scales of interest [from years to centuries]. The word ‘story’ means the assumptions of the effect or lack thereof of CO2. You may have noticed that the is such a debate going on. That is the ‘story’.
Once again we get a thread in which every opinion is wrong except those of Dr. Leif Svalgaard, who insists that…um…well, actually I’m not sure what he insists, other than than everyone else is always wrong. Say, Dr. Svalgaard, could you point us to a document you wrote that tells us what you think is driving the climate and where it is headed from here? Thanks in advance!
James Ard says:
February 20, 2013 at 12:52 pm
What kind of scientific community wouldn’t laugh at a model that excluded the sun? A dishonest one.
Climate models do include the solar input, e.g. http://lasp.colorado.edu/sorce/news/2011ScienceMeeting/docs/abstracts/6b_Cahalan_Contr.pdf
lsvalgaard says: “Science is a way to call the bluff of those who only pretend to knowledge” [Carl Sagan]
Nice quote. Thanks.
Paraphrased: Data is a way to call the bluff of those who only pretend to knowledge through climate models.
Leif I note with some satisfaction that you didn’t disagree with the 20th century Ap – lagged temperature correlations. I agree that the 19 th century Ap- temp correlations are to say the least not obvious. However I dont know where you assembled the Ap data from .Is there some difference between the 19th and 20th century Ap data base? Take a look at the Dye3 and NGrip ice core 10Be flux data for the 19th century. Eyeballing it it would seem a better fit to the NH temperature data but doesnt look much like your Ap numbers.
http://www.eawag.ch/forschung/surf/publikationen/2009/2009_berggren.pdf
See Fig1
As far as the lag is concerned check. Usoskin et al Fig3 at http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2005ESASP.560…19U
Regards Norman
Oh, considering my post above at 12:18pm, one other thing I should mention. I say CO2 may have a meager effect, or NO effect. And with the evidence as it is (temperature changes causes changes in CO2 levels, with no evidence of CO2 causing temperature changes), the warmists now maintain that CO2 is both a cause and an effect of temperature change. So, if CO2 were to have anything more than a meager effect, there would be a runaway greenhouse effect, no question. As temps rose, more CO2 would come out the oceans, causing temps to rise, causing more CO2, etc. Temps would rise until the oceans boiled. But in the past CO2 was as high as 7100ppm, and there was no runaway greenhouse effect. It seems logical that the only possibilities is that CO2 has a meager (inconsequential) or no effect.
Jim Braiden says:
February 20, 2013 at 12:45 pm
My apologies- this is pretty much off topic but I wonder if anyone could tell me what might the effect be on the temperature record since 1995 if the El Nino spike of 1998 was removed?
Yes- having an argument and need some help 🙂
That is something like being asked if you still beat your wife. To be fair, you cannot just remove the El Nino spike without also removing the La Nina that appeared either just before it or just after it. The four slope lines below illustrate my point.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1995/plot/rss/from:1995/trend/plot/rss/from:1999/trend/plot/rss/from:1997/trend/plot/rss/from:2000.2/trend
Sceptical The Milankovitch wavelengths are tens of thousands of years – there would be negligible change since 1750.
Matt Skaggs says:
February 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm
could you point us to a document you wrote that tells us what you think is driving the climate and where it is headed from here?
Climate is driven by a combination of many processes. Some drivers [in decreasing order of significance] are; (0) non-linear combinations of the following: (1) the Sun [its output has increased 30% over the history of the Earth, and will eventually fry us], (2) plate tectonics [enabling ice sheets to form if land is near the poles, or creating vast deserts in the interior of equatorial mega-continents], (3) Jupiter [through its influence on the orbit of the Earth – Milankovitch cycles], (4) greenhouse gases [massive volcanic emissions, e.g. the Deccan Traps], (5) biosphere [changing albedo of the surface], (6) ocean circulation, (7) solar activity [causing a 0.1 degree solar cycle variation], and last [and probably least] (8) human activity [land use and CO2 emissions].
Where are we headed? (1) we’ll fry in several hundred millions years, (3) glaciation in 50,000 years, (6) don’t know, (7) decrease of perhaps 0.1 degrees, (8) probably negligible, but it would be beneficial if I’m wrong on this [warm is better than cold]. The biggest unknown is (0) how all these changes will interact non-linearly.
lsvalgaard says:
February 20, 2013 at 11:22 am
……
I will agree with your comment to the extent that I have now added it to the web-page.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/AGT.htm
with the attribution.
Jim Braiden says: “My apologies- this is pretty much off topic but I wonder if anyone could tell me what might the effect be on the temperature record since 1995 if the El Nino spike of 1998 was removed? Yes- having an argument and need some help :)”
We’ll look at sea surface temperature anomalies because land surface air temperatures simply mimic and exaggerate the short- and long-term variations in sea surface temperatures.
For the East Pacific Ocean (90S-90N, 180-80W), which covers about 33% of the surface of the global oceans, the 1997/98 El Nino does nothing more than add a spike to the sea surface temperature anomalies. Since the sea surface temperatures for the East Pacific haven’t warmed in 31 years, removing the 1997/98 El Nino would not cause much of a change:
http://i47.tinypic.com/24v7khg.jpg
On the other hand, for the Atlantic, Indian and West Pacific Oceans (90S-90N, 80W-180), the massive volume of warm water released by the 1997/98 El Niño caused an upward shift in the sea surface temperature anomalies of about 0.19 deg C:
http://i49.tinypic.com/29le06e.jpg
As you can see in that graph, the same things (upward shifts in response to the massive volumes of warm water released by El Niños) happened, to a lesser extent, in response to the 1986/87/88 and 2009/10 El Niño events. Therefore, without the 1986/87/88, 1997/98 and 2009/10 El Niño events, the sea surface temperatures for the Atlantic, Indian and West Pacific oceans would show no warming:
http://oi47.tinypic.com/jzw3np.jpg
The graphs are from my essay “The Manmade Global Warming Challenge” (pdf 42MB):
http://bobtisdale.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/the-manmade-global-warming-challenge.pdf
Anthony, sorry about that. Didn’t know the below:
Dr Norman Page says:
February 20, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Leif I note with some satisfaction that you didn’t disagree with the 20th century Ap – lagged temperature correlations.
Do I need to point out every little flaw? For example the decrease in the 1960s, that followed the strongest solar cycle we know off [in the 1950s]…
I dont know where you assembled the Ap data from .Is there some difference between the 19th and 20th century Ap data base?
The basic data is from http://www.leif.org/research/2007JA012437.pdf updated with newer data back to 1844 and expressed in terms of Ap which is what more people are used to work with. See also http://www.leif.org/research/2009JA015069.pdf The bottom line is that the 19th century is not significantly less active than the 20th.
Take a look at the Dye3 and NGrip ice core 10Be flux data for the 19th century. Eyeballing it it would seem a better fit to the NH temperature data but doesnt look much like your Ap numbers.
Note that the NGrip data shows a strong solar modulation of galactic cosmic rays, e.g. slide 31 of http://www.leif.org/research/SSN/Svalgaard14.pdf telling us that solar activity has not come to a halt during the Maunder Minimum. Also the 10Be data are themselves depending on climate, e.g. a quote from the Berggren paper you referred to: “Combined snow pit 10Be measurements and local weather data covering almost a year at Law Dome, Antarctica, indicate that ~30% of short term 10Be variability is related to meteorological factors [Pedro et al., 2006]. The Law Dome site is, like Greenland, dominated by wet deposition.” and “We observe that although recent 10Be flux in NGRIP is low, there is no indication of unusually high recent solar activity in relation to other parts of the investigated period.”
The geomagnetic data are directly measured at the surface and must always take precedence over a much more indirect proxy. If there are any difference, the problem is with the indirect proxies. There is a glaring problem with the cosmic ray data in the 1890s which is unresolved, but which is being investigated at an ongoing Workshop: see e.g. Figure 2 ofhttp://www.leif.org/research/Svalgaard_ISSI_Proposal_Base.pdf and the discussion of Figures 14 and 15 in http://www.leif.org/research/2009JA015069.pdf
vukcevic says:
February 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm
I will agree with your comment to the extent that I have now added it to the web-page.
Whether you agree with facts is not relevant. Your added comment is misleading in the extreme as you omitted to mention that those variations are short-lived [days] and have nothing to do with the main field and its secular variation. You could show some honesty by including my comment in full.
” – eg Solar Magnetic Sield strength, TSI ,SSNs ,GCRs ,” near the bottom of the 1st section should be Magnetic Field strength.
Can’t we just start calling it “Man-Made Global Cooling” now?
I thank the Creator for solar cycle 24 minimum every day. Certain people just have to learn their lesson the hard way.
There is a glaring problem with the cosmic ray data in the 1890s which is unresolved, but which is being investigated at an ongoing Workshop: see e.g. Figure 2 of http://www.leif.org/research/Svalgaard_ISSI_Proposal_Base.pdf
“Rud Istvan says:
February 20, 2013 at 11:12 am
Being right for the wrong reasons is not the same as being right. Positive feedbacks (first derivative equivalent) only create an unstable system if the second derivative equivalent is positive. If it is negative, the system damps to a new higher equilibrium.”
Question on this. It makes sense for a feedback like water vapor by itself but does it still apply when the positive feedbacks are supposedly coming from so many sources? (water vapor, CO2, methane, clouds, albedo. etc).
Once you ignore the facts (truth) and throw logic out the door to protect your theory you have entered dangerous territory. It is only a matter of time before the castle collapses. Sadly and tragically, billions of dollars later!
lsvalgaard says: February 20, 2013 at 1:55 pm
……….
I quoted only the accurate bit., for the rest :
1. Earth’s magnetic variability is not too small, it amounts to about 25% of the total variability on the century scale.
2.Variability shown in the graph
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/AGT.htm
is as short/long term as much is the sunspot magnetic cycle is a short/long term variability.
If you look at the above graph (green line) you can observe that Earth’s field is increasing intensity for about 11 years, then falling for further 11 years (in relation to the 22 year average), making it about 22 year cycle in total, following the trend of the sunspot cycle.
You say “few days”, by any measure few days can not equate 22 years, hence you must be either wrong or misinformed.