
By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley
In the closing minutes of the final plenary of the U.N.’s Doha climate summit, when no one else had anything further to add, I spent a few seconds telling the delegates something that the bad scientists and the malicious media have done their level best to conceal. There has been no global warming for 16 years.
In the real world, this surely welcome news would have been greeted with cheers of relief and delight. Since the beginning of 1997, despite the wailing and gnashing of dentures among the classe politique, despite the regulations, the taxations, the carbon trades, the windmills, the interminable, earnestly flatulent U.N. conferences, the CO2 concentration that they had declared to be Public Enemy No. 1 has not stabilized. It has grown by one-twelfth.
Yet this startling growth has not produced so much as a twentieth of a Celsius degree of global warming. Any warming below the measurement uncertainty of 0.05 Cº in the global-temperature datasets is statistically indistinguishable from zero.
The much-vaunted “consensus” of the much-touted “ensembles” of the much-heralded “models” has been proven wrong. The much-feted “modelers” had written in 2008 that their much-cited “simulations” ruled out, to 95% confidence, intervals of 15 years or more without global warming. To them, 16 years without warming were as near impossible as makes no difference.
Yet those impossible years happened. However, you would never have known that surely not uninteresting piece of good news from reading the newspapers or watching ABC, BBC, CBC, NBC, et hoc genus omne. The media are not in the business of giving the facts or telling the truth any more.
Precisely because journalists no longer bother to provide the inconvenient truth to their audiences, and because they are no longer willing even to provide the people with the straightforward facts without which democracy itself cannot function, the depressingly ill-informed and scientifically-illiterate delegates in Doha can be forgiven for not having known that global warming stopped a long while back.
That is why they should have been excited and delighted when they heard the news – nearly all of them for the very first time.
But this was the alternative reality that is the corrupt, self-serving U.N. Howls, hoots and hollers of dismay and fury greeted my short, polite announcement. This absurdly inappropriate reaction raises a fascinating question.
How are we to dig a rat-hole wide enough to allow the useful idiots and true-believers to escape as each passing year makes it more and more obvious that their fatuous credo has all the plausibility of the now somewhat discredited notion that the world was to be snuffed out at this year’s winter solstice?
Every student of the arts of diplomacy in the civil-service and staff colleges of the U.K. hears much about the rat-hole problem. How does one let the other side off some hook on which they have imprudently impaled themselves, while minimizing their loss of face?
A cornered rat will fight savagely, even against overwhelming odds, because it has no alternative. Give the rat a way out and it will instinctively take it.
The first step in digging a diplomatic rat-hole is to show that one understands how one’s opponents came to make their mistake. One might make a point of agreeing with their premise – in the present instance, the long-proven fact that adding a greenhouse gas to an atmosphere such as ours can be expected, ceteris paribus, to cause some warming.
Then one tries to find justifications for their standpoint. There are five good reasons why the global warming that they – and we – might have expected has not occurred for 16 years: natural variability in general; the appreciable decline in solar activity since the Grand Maximum that peaked in 1960; the current 30-year cooling phase of the ocean oscillations, which began late in 2001 with the transition from the warming phase that had begun in 1976; the recent double-dip la Niña; and the frequency with which supra-decadal periods without warming have occurred in the instrumental record since 1850.
The next trick is to help them, sympathetically, to focus the blame for their error on as few of their number as possible. Here, the target is obvious. The models are to blame for the mess the true-believers are in.
We must help them to understand why the models got it so very wrong. This will not be easy, because nearly all of our opponents have no science or math at all.
We can start our deconstruction of the models by pointing out that – given the five good reasons why global warming might not occur for 15 years or more at a time – the modelers’ ruling out periods of 15 years or more without warming shows they have given insufficient weight to the influence of natural variability. We can poke gentle fun at their description of CO2 as “ the tuning-knob of the climate”, and help them to put things into perspective by reminding them that Man has so far altered only 1/10,000 of the atmosphere, and may alter 1/3000 of it by 2100.
We cannot altogether avoid the math. But we can put it all in plain English, and we can use logic, which is more accessible to the layman than climatological physics. Here goes.
The fundamental equation of climate sensitivity says temperature change is the product of a forcing and a climate-sensitivity parameter.
The modellers’ definition of forcing is illogical; their assumptions about the value of the climate-sensitivity parameter are not Popper-falsifiable; and their claims of reliability for their long-term predictions are empirically disproven and theoretically insupportable. Let us explain.
The IPCC defines a forcing as the net down-minus-up flux of radiation at the tropopause, holding surface temperature fixed. Yet forcings change that temperature. A proposition and its converse cannot simultaneously be true. That is the fundamental postulate of logic, and the models’ definition of forcing manifestly offends against it.
No surprise, then, that since 1995 the IPCC has had to cut its estimate of the CO2 forcing by 15%. The “consensus” disagrees with itself. Note in passing that the CO2 forcing function is logarithmic: each further molecule causes less warming than those before it. Diminishing returns apply.
We can remind our opponents that direct warming is little more than 1 Cº per doubling of CO2 concentration, well within natural variability. It is not a crisis. We can explain that the modelers have imaginatively introduced amplifying or “positive” temperature feedbacks, which, they hope, will triple the direct warming from CO2.
Yet this dubious hypothesis, not being Popper-falsifiable, is not logic and, therefore, not science. If a hypothesis cannot be checked by any empirical or theoretical method, it is not – stricto sensu – a hypothesis at all. It is of no interest to science.
Not one of the imagined feedbacks is empirically measurable or theoretically determinable to a sufficient precision by any method. As an expert reviewer for the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report, I have described its strongly net-positive feedback interval as guesswork – and that, in logic and therefore in science, is exactly what it is.
There is a powerful theoretical reason for suspecting that the modellers’ guess that feedbacks triple direct warming is erroneous. The climatic closed-loop feedback gain implicit in the IPCC’s climate-sensitivity estimate of 3.3[2.0, 4.5] Cº per CO2 doubling falls on the interval 0.62[0.42, 0.74], though you will find no mention of the crucial concept of loop gain either in the IPCC’s documents or – as far as I can discover – in any of the few papers that discuss the mathematics of temperature feedbacks in the climate object.
Process engineers building electronic circuits, who invented feedback mathematics, tell us any loop gain much above zero is too near the singularity – at a loop gain of 1 – in the feedback-amplification equation. At a gain as high as is implicit in the models’ climate-sensitivity estimates, the geological record would show violent oscillations between extremes of warming and cooling.
Yet for 64 million years the Earth’s surface temperature has fluctuated by only 3%, or 8 Cº, either side of the long-run mean. These fluctuations can give us an ice-planet at one moment and a hothouse Earth the next, but they are altogether too small to be consistent with a feedback loop gain anywhere near as close to the singularity as official estimates imply, for homeostatic conditions prevail.
The atmosphere’s lower bound, the ocean, is a vast heat-sink 1100 times denser than the air. Since 3000 bathythermographs were deployed in 2006 no significant ocean warming has been found.
The upper bound of the atmosphere is outer space, to which any excess heat radiates harmlessly away.
Homeostasis, then, is what we should expect, and it is what we get. Accordingly, the climatic loop gain – far from being as impossibly high as the IPCC’s central estimate of 0.62 – cannot much exceed zero, so the warming at CO2 doubling will scarcely exceed 1 Cº.
It is also worth explaining to our opponents the fundamental reason why models cannot do what the modelers claim for them. The overriding difficulty in attempting to model the climate is that it behaves as a chaotic object. We can never know the values of its millions of defining parameters at any chosen moment to a sufficient precision to permit reliable projection of the bifurcations, or Sandy-like departures from an apparently steady state, that are inherent in all objects that behave chaotically. Therefore, reliable, very-long-term prediction of future climate states is known a priori to be unavailable by any method.
The modelers have tried to overcome this constraint by saying that the models are all we have, so we must make the best of them. But it is self-evidently illogical to use models when reliable, very-long-term weather forecasting is not available by any method.
This fundamental limitation on the reliability of long-term predictions by the models – known as the Lorenz constraint, after the father of computerized or “numerical” weather forecasting, whose 1963 paper Deterministic Non-Periodic Flow founded chaos theory by examining the behavior of a five-variable mini-model of the climate constructed as a heuristic – tells us something more, and very important, about the climate.
Bifurcations (or, in our opponents’ intellectual baby-talk, “tipping-points”) in the evolution of the climate object over time are not a whit more likely to occur in a rapidly-warming climate than in a climate which – like our own – is not warming at all.
Sandy and Bopha, and the hot summer in the U.S., could not have been caused by global warming, for the blindingly obvious reason that for 16 years there has not been any.
However, there are many variables in the climate object other than CO2 concentration and surface temperature. Even the tiniest perturbation in any one of these millions of parameters is enough, in an object that behaves chaotically, to induce a bifurcation.
Nothing in the mathematics of chaos leads one to conclude that “tipping-points” are any more likely to occur in response to a large change in the value of one of the parameters (such as surface temperature) that describe an object than in response to an infinitesimal change.
The clincher, in most diplomatic discussions, is money. Once we have led our opponents to understand that there is simply no reason to place any credence whatsoever in the exaggerations that are now painfully self-evident in the models, we can turn their attention to climate economics.
Pretend, ad argumentum, that the IPCC’s central estimate of 2.8 Cº warming by 2100 is true, and that Stern was right to say that the GDP cost of failing to prevent 3 Cº warming this century will be around 1.5% of GDP. Then, at the minimum 5% market inter-temporal discount rate, the cost of trying to abate this decade’s predicted warming of 0.15 Cº by topical, typical CO2-mitigation measures as cost-ineffective as, say, Australia’s carbon tax would be 48 times greater than the cost of later adaptation. At a zero discount rate, the cost of action will exceed the cost arising from inaction 36 times over.
How so? Australia emits just 1.2% of Man’s CO2, of which Ms. Gillard aims to cut 5% this decade. So Australia’s scheme, even if it worked, would cutting just 0.06% of global emissions by 2020. In turn, that would cut CO2 concentration from a predicted 410 μatm to 409.988 μatm. It is this infinitesimal change in CO2 concentration, characteristic of all measures intended – however piously – to mitigate future warming that is the chief reason why there is no economic case for spending any money at all on mitigation today.
The tiny drop in CO2 concentration would cut predicted temperature by 0.00006 Cº. This pathetic result would be achieved at a cost of $130 billion, which works out at $2 quadrillion/Cº. Abating the 0.15 Cº warming predicted for this decade would thus cost $317 trillion, or $45,000/head worldwide, or 59% of global GDP.
Mitigation measures inexpensive enough to be affordable will be ineffective: measures expensive enough to be effective will be unaffordable. Since the premium exceeds the cost of the risk, don’t insure. That is a precautionary principle worthy of the name.
When the child born in Bethlehem ~2012 years ago grew up, He told His audience the parable of the prodigal son, who had squandered his inheritance but was nevertheless welcomed by his father with a fatted calf when he returned and said he was sorry.
However vicious and cruel the true-believers in the global-warming fantasy have been to those few of us who have dared publicly to question their credo that has now been so thoroughly discredited by events, we should make sure that the rat-hole we dig for their escape from their lavish folly is as commodious as possible.
If all else fails, we can pray for them as He prayed looking down from the Cross on the world He had created.
Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
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icarus62 says:
December 25, 2012 at 9:41 am
“With the current global energy imbalance of 0.6W/m², we would have to reduce CO₂ to 345ppm just to halt global warming where it is now. ”
Don’t you think that the climate behaves a little bit too complicated for a stage one thinker?
Michael Mann etal,
First know thyself, each of you and the whole of your rat invested borg.
Yours ever true from one of the ones you will know will be unforgiving of your sins.
From where I operated near the front lines, rats had little hope once we had their location on the grid.
Knowing ones like me are a minority and you are free from our judgement, still yet you should fear us.
Let it go before it is to late for you to do so.
DirkH says:
December 25, 2012 at 8:09 am
The Maunder Minimum (starting in about 1645 and continuing to about 1715) and the Nile River
http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/climatehistory.pdf
Here is information on what the Nile did, from a more exhaustive source of information:
A Chronological Listing of Early Weather Events, 6th Edition
By James A. Marusek
http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/weather.pdf
DirkH: 0.6W/m² is a big planetary energy imbalance. It’s the equivalent of around 430,000 Hiroshima nuclear explosions every single day. It would boil the oceans dry in around 33,000 years, which is the blink of an eye in geological terms. Clearly there cannot have been anything like that magnitude of imbalance for any substantial length of time in the entire history of the planet. I’m not suggesting it’s going to last for thousands of years but it does illustrate just how strong our warming influence on the planet is.
In my home, the province of Alberta in Canada, we are officially rat free. I think it’s the only place in human habitation except Antarctica, which is rat free.
We didn’t get to be this way by giving the rats an ‘out’ when they were discovered, but by systematically and mercilessly eradicating them via our “Rat Patrol”.
Apart from taxes, that is…
This is one of the most entertaining comment threads I’ve seen on WattsUpWithThat. Well done, everyone. A few more follow-ups to commenters, in the approximate order of their occurrence:
Chris Riley introduces the time-inconsistency problem: if we let the rats out through the rat-hole, there will be adverse consequences because the rats have been let out rather than destroyed, and because future rats may learn from today’s rats that dishonesty is not punished as it should be. Well, it’s Christmas, so I’m trying to be nice to the rats.
Mr. Riley says science will come to great harm if the perps are allowed to escape down the rat-hole with their reputations intact. Hey, a rat that uses a rat-hole is still a rat, and everyone will know that. It’s Christmas. See it from their point of view. No global warming for 16 years. Sea level hardly changing. Ice not melting as ordered. No 50 million climate refugees by 2010. The rats’ cousins in the media are doing a fine job of concealing these facts for now, but the truth is emerging, slowly, inexorably, and – for the rats – painfully. Digging them a nice, well-ventilated rat-hole is the last we can do to put them out of their misery.
Clay Marley reminds us that there are many innocents who believe what they read in the newspapers, and the headlines still shriek “World To End Shock!”, rather than the unexciting truth “Climate Continuing Changeable (Yawn)”. He says, “The science may be dead but the ideology isn’t.” It’s Christmas. Have faith. In time, what is plain to a few will be plain to all. Much time, effort, and taxpayers’ money will have been damagingly squandered in the meantime. But it’s Christmas. Be merry. Be hopeful. The end of the nonsense is in sight.
My noble friend Rodney Leach says we should “express understanding with them for the 25 years’ warming in the run up to 1998, which naturally misled them into believeing that a quarter of a century’s correlation with the model projections was proof that the models were accurate predictors of the future.” That would be very kind of us: for the rate of warming from 1976-1998 was equivalent to just 1.7 Celsius degrees per century: no faster than the warming rate from 1860-1880 and from 1910-1940. What it showed was that there was none of the acceleration in the warming rate that the models had so confidently but erroneously predicted. Still, it’s Christmas, so this one may be worth a try.
“Tmlutas”, who writes for a “collective” (oof!) of analysts analyzing the skeptics’ strategy, says, “The emotions thrown up by this issue actually challenge the underlying business model of the firm.” (Hurrah!) And he asks, “Can a few hundred analysts from all over the globe and from disparate fields apply the ‘wisdom of the crowd’ to your thesis? Are there public policy issues too hot for this model to work?”
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. It’s Christmas. My rule is to try to do the kind and gentle thing first, and only to take off the velvet glove when the iron fist needs to swing into action. It is fascinating how often and how spectacularly this works.
An example. During the Falklands conflict, British troops were trying to dislodge superior Argentinian forces from a strategically-crucial redoubt at Goose Green. H. Jones, the gung-ho, lead-from-the-front British commander on the spot, made the same mistake Wellington had made at Talavera: he led several unsuccessful uphill charges against enemy forces that had the advantage not only of height but also of ability to see into dead ground between them and the Brits. Jones and many of his men were killed.
His no. 2 found himself unexpectedly in command and decided to pray. (Did I say it was Christmas?) The answer came to him at once and he told his sparky to patch him through to the Argentinian commander.
“Now, look here, old boy,” he said in his most authoritative, cut-glass, public-school-and-Sandhurst drawl, “We both know how this is going to end. So what I’m going to suggest is this. You all lay down your arms like good chaps and come out with your hands up, and I’ll see to it that you get properly fed and watered, your wounded treated, and safe passage back to Argentina on the first boat. How about that?”
“Si, señor!” And, to everyone’s astonishment, 1500 Argentinians found they had surrendered to 200 Brits.
Another example. During the British miners’ strike of 1982-3, their Communist leader, Arthur Scargill, detailed several hundred miners to go to London and demonstrate in Parliament Square.
I was working for Margaret Thatcher at 10 Downing Street at the time. Oliver Letwin, now the Minister for Government Policy, came rushing in to the office he and I shared and said, “It’s so unEnglish! The miners are rioting in Parliament Square!”
“Nonsense,” I said, “They do that every Friday night when the pubs tip out. They mean no harm at all.”
“B-but they’re coming this way! They’re already at the end of the street! What shall we do?”
“I’ll go and talk to them,” I said, and reached for my bowler hat, as one does.
“You’re not going to wear that stupid Charlie Chaplin hat, are you?”
“Of course,” I replied. And I strode confidently out through the big black door into Downing Street. Well, I hoped I looked confident, anyway. At the end of the street, held back by two nervous bobbies and pressing hard against the flimsy barriers, were several dozen noisy miners. Letwin peeped out of the window above to watch the lynching.
As soon as the miners saw a bowler-hatted figure shambling out of No. 10, they jeered. I walked steadily towards them. Halfway there, I slowly lifted my hat to them and smiled. Instantly, the jeers turned to cheering.
As my Staff Sergeant used to say, “The one unmistakable way of making a polite gesture at a distance is to take your ‘at off. And, no, sir, I’m not going to talk about the dozens of ways of making impolite gestures at a distance.”
I went up to the crowd and spoke to one of the miners at the front in a conversational tone. The rest instantly fell silent so that they could hear what we were saying (St. John Ambulance manual of crowd control, page 1).
“You’ve come a long way to speak to the Prime Minister,” I said, “but she’s out just now. And it’s Christmastime. So what I propose is that we go across the street to the pub, I’ll buy you a beer, you can give me your message for the Prime Minister, I’ll take a note of it and it will be on her desk this evening.”
The miners filed happily across Whitehall to the pub and, three years later, when I left the Prime Minister’s service, two of them came to my farewell party in the State Apartments. It’s possible they were the first miners ever to set foot in Downing Street under a Tory government.
Bottom line: “Tmlutas” should feel free to test out this well-practised strategy on his analysts. We Brits have been using this method successfully for centuries – but then, we’re just that little bit subtler than some of us like to make ourselves look.
My own three-stage strategy for dealing with the global-warming profiteers:
1. Go on quietly, politely, telling the truth about the science and the economics.
2. Er …
3. … that’s it.
As the Lord of Life said to Pontius Pilate, Ego in hoc natus sum, et ad hoc veni in mundum, ut testimonium perhibeam veritati (Unto this was I born, for this came I into the world, that I might bear witness to the truth). Not a bad motto for us skeptics, that.
Notoriously, Pilate did not tarry for an answer. But within 100 years the truth of Christianity had spread throughout the known world.
Cheer up then, or, as the monks used to sing in Advent, Consolamini, consolamini, popule meus. All will be well. The climate profiteers, like the Romans in Judea, have the money, the power, and the glory. But we, like the Child who was born this day, have the truth.
Magna est veritas, et praevalet.
Sorry for the length of this comment. I’m holed up in isolation till tomorrow, having had norovirus. I’m not allowed near anyone till tomorrow. So you, gentle readers, have been my Christmas entertainment. Thank you, one and all.
The will to power–yes. And the “circulation of the élites” (Pareto). Leading environmentalists sense that this is their movement’s moment in the sun, and believe that it deserves to rule and displace its exhausted, non-charismatic predecessor-elites. The king rats sense that power is there for the seizing. Hence their opportunism and unprincipled behavior. They are justifying themselves in terms of raison d’état.
The UN General Assembly is a club of and for the world’s dictators. Their whole purpose is to destroy the economies of the rich countries before we can threaten their rule. It therefore makes sense for them to have joined forces with the people who have admitted wanting to destroy those economies themselves (see green-agenda.com).
I see no reason, then, to credit any of them with goodwill as Monckton does. Let’s stop helping the UN’s publicity machine, until we can elect leaders who will pull us out.
The Second Order Draft of AR5 does admit no statistically significant warming in 14 years (SOD p. 10-3, lines 50-52):
http://www.stopgreensuicide.com/Ch10_attribution_WG1AR5_SOD_Ch10_All_Final.pdf
Starting in 1998 the statistically insignificant trend is actually negative. It is logical they would pick that year, since it was the high point, but it is also surprising, since they usually pick dates to hide what is going on rather than to expose it. Maybe they picked 98 in order to stay under the 15 year period of no-warming that they admit would falsify their models.
You’ll notice that icarus, along with all the other alarmists, haven’t taken the action they so demand of the rest of us. Such as stop using all modern, fossil-fuel enabled conveniences.
Hypocrites all.
While I largely agree with the idea I disagree with the generosity involved. Ideally such a rat hole should be designed in a way that will make sure those of lesser guilt can escape but only by making sure those at the top of the scam pay the piper. That has two benefits: the most guilty get punished by those who followed them for the tangible reward of absolution of their involvement. The second, more important one, is the damage the underlying fabric of social trust among those who were involved. It is frayed and the next fraudster to come along can no longer rely that his followers won’t throw him to the sharks without second thought if they fear that the jig is up.
Lord Monckton’s comment @11:40 above is well worth reading.
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icarus62 says:
“It’s the equivalent of around 430,000 Hiroshima nuclear explosions every single day.”
How much is that in Olympic-sized swimming pools? ☺
Yes, I am ridiculing you. The planet is ridiculing you. Your entire belief system is based on scary, context-free numbers and unscientific, evidence free “What-ifs”.
Stop scaring yourself. It is unbecoming an adult, if that’s what you are. Nothing unprecedented is occurring. Everything we observe today, including global temperature, has been exceeded in the past, and to a much greater degree — and when CO2 was much lower. How do you explain that? Would you accept ‘natural climate variability’? The planet has been much warmer, and much colder, without any human input.
The planet is doing just fine. The putative effect of CO2 emissions is only an evidence free conjecture. CO2 may have a minor effect, but if so it is only a minuscule, third order forcing, and it’s effect is saturated. There will be no measureable warming due to CO2 even if it continues to rise.
No one has ever identified any global harm due to CO2 emissions. Therefore, CO2 is, by definition, “harmless”. Although CO2 causes no global harm, it is provably beneficial to the entire biosphere. More is better.
Where do you get your crazy ideas, anyway? Tell them you want a refund.
Lord M. Personal experience, the RAT that was invading our temporary trailer on a nuclear site, in the 1980’s. Had a suspicion about ONE hole, about .7″ diameter… “Impossible” most in the trailer said. Set a clever trap, and made it cover the hole upon the entrance of the rat. ALSO set up a barrier with cardboard boxes.
Rat came in, was trapped! WAS VERY AGRESSIVE. Jumped easily 2′ high, we had the barrier JUST high enough, and were able to observe without being bitten. Used a stick and cleared the hole. PLEASE NOTE RAT WAS WIGGLED THROUGH THAT HOLE WITHIN A MINUTE. (Of course, it sensed the cold/fresh air and went for it.)
SO your analogy is petty good! However, let’s not forget that rats carry the PLAUGE. Let’s also not forget that leaving GARBAGE out in the open, un-processed, and to fester/rot, and stink…brings the RATS. Could that be the very POOR work that passes for “Science” these days? The “self re-inforcing/religion/paradigm situation among the “science elites” which broaches no REAL critical examination?
I’d call this, “Piling up the garbage and letting it rot.” OUR JOB IS TO CLEAN OUT THE GARBAGE, and..I suppose, like Reme in Rattatoulie, we can give the Redundant Atrocious Terrible (climate) Scientists as way out. Who knows, with the garbage gone, they may not stink any more!
Max
I don’t want the rats to have an out. [snip] If they are allowed to escape, they will only reemerge in the future to cause even more destruction.
Then one tries to find justifications for their standpoint. There are five good reasons why the global warming that they – and we – might have expected has not occurred for 16 years: natural variability in general; the appreciable decline in solar activity since the Grand Maximum that peaked in 1960; the current 30-year cooling phase of the ocean oscillations, which began late in 2001 with the transition from the warming phase that had begun in 1976; the recent double-dip la Niña; and the frequency with which supra-decadal periods without warming have occurred in the instrumental record since 1850.
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Good summary Christopher. Now who are you drilling a rat hole for again?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=V3FnpaWQJO0&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV3FnpaWQJO0
perhaps Gilder Radner has the answer…. “Oh you meant CO2 …ohh sorry never mind”
D Böehm says:
“Where do you get your crazy ideas, anyway?”
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/global-warming-proceeding-as-fast-as-predicted-global-sea-level-rise-faster-than-predicted/question-3362387/?page=3
Notwithstanding the soft touch method herein suggested.
These Earth First, Greenpeace, trees before humans types are not rational operators who know fact from fiction as real working operators such as the miners you met.
These would take your hat, curse you for attempting to bribe them with beer and use the ACLU to take your assets for just the acts of uncovering the fraud.
Better time for this would be when energy cost has gone up 200% or so, then do the consideration of how nice to be to this uncut evil.
With a gracious and sombrero due tip of his hard hat towards
Monckton of Brenchley says:
December 25, 2012 at 11:40 am
Magna est veritas, et praevalet.
Caution:
Google translate changes the above into:
Magna est veritas to fry a lie. …
And although I very firmly want to fry their lies by righteously magnifying their exposure, I doubt this is the intention of your quote.
Instead,Google translate recommends:
Magna est veritas, et praevalebit.
Great is the truth, and gets the upper hand.
icarus62 says:
December 25, 2012 at 11:27 am
“DirkH: 0.6W/m² is a big planetary energy imbalance. It’s the equivalent of around 430,000 Hiroshima nuclear explosions every single day. ”
Now don’t wet yourself but normal insolation is equivalent to 250833333.333 Hiroshima bombs a day. There I said it. Extinguish the sun!
Christopher saysMan has so far altered only 1/10,000 of the atmosphere, and may alter 1/3000 of it by 2100.
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So a quote from “How to Lie with Statistics” is in order:
It’s all a little like the tale of a roadside merchant who was asked to explain how he could sell rabbit sandwiches so cheap. “Well,” he said, “I have to put in some horse meat too. But I mix ’em fifty-fifty: one horse, one rabbit.”
————
The important thing about CO2 is that 20% of the radiation of the earth’s waste heat into the
vacuum of space is due to CO2. Changing the amount of CO2 blocks off that exit route just slightly.
D Böehm says:
Steve Oregon,
The fact remains, they are still rats. ☺
How well I know that.
Here in Oregon we are infested with a disproportionate share of them at every level of government and academia.
They function as a Borg-like parasite, crafting countless ways to fund their wretched & obnoxious selves and impose their vermin agenda upon society.
Jeff Alberts says:
December 25, 2012 at 12:01 pm
“You’ll notice that icarus, along with all the other alarmists, haven’t taken the action they so demand of the rest of us. Such as stop using all modern, fossil-fuel enabled conveniences.”
Icarus62 pops up from time to time, he’s an ardent end-times believer. He just comes up with the silliest slogans the warmists distribute and when you argue with him he quickly switches to the next one. Normal malthusian, we destroy the planet through our ways, that kind of stuff. Like Attenborough only with less success. Will hitch a ride on the next malthusian thing once CO2AGW has bottomed out.
icarus62
Looking at your post at Sodahead:
1. Did you make the ‘graphs’ yourself?
If not, where did you get them from?
If so, what data did you use to construct them?
2. You make the following statements:
1. Global sea level rise is above the fastest rate predicted in the IPCC reports
2. Accelerating melting of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets
3. Global warming is proceeding as fast as predicted in the IPCC reports
4. Oceans have been warming faster in the last decade than in the previous two.
Can you supply the data you used to support these four statements?
All the data I can find refutes the first three statements and I cannot find any data for the last one.