Watching the debate tonight, I kept listening for some hint of the discussion of the “climate crisis”.
Why? Because the League of Conservation Voters put out a broad petition campaign to influence moderator Jim Lehrer:
But it didn’t work, not a single mention was made of, as they put it, “…the greatest challenge of our generation — climate change.”
The closest it got was when when Romney talked about the need for energy for a strong economy:
“I LIKE COAL.”
He also talked about making the XL pipeline a reality. But the real zinger was when he talked about Obama’s choices on backing green energy companies like Solyndra:
“You put $90 billion – like 50 years worth of breaks to Solyndra … I have a friend who said, ‘you don’t just the pick the winners and losers – you pick the losers,’”Romney said.
As Sheldon Cooper would say. Bazinga !
Obama looked like he needed to sit down. Somebody should have brought him a chair.
Blade (and others):
Torgeir Hansson [October 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm] says:
“The Democrats are the tax and spend party, the Republicans are the borrow and spend party. This is clearly borne out by the facts since the Ronald Reagan Administration. If you want responsible financial policies, vote Democrat. Period. Hint: Clinton.”
The point you are clumsily trying to make just couldn’t be further from the truth.
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Torgeir’s piece reads like it is supposed to be a quote. It probably was meant to say:
“[Who said] The Democrats are the tax and spend party, the Republicans are the borrow and spend party. This is clearly borne out by the facts since the Ronald Reagan Administration. If you want responsible financial policies, vote Democrat. Period. Hint: Clinton.”
Election, is an auction on gods about to be stolen in the comming years. The thief is well known but beyond accountability.
Do anyone trust any of these guys ? Their promises is for the voters to pay, un-fortunately people who don’t vote get the bill anyway.
Socialists is more likely to steal from others as they they think it’s part of their justified cause.
If government employs 47%, the other 53% in reality have the burden of feeding all the country.
Living in Sweden where government takes 67% from small businesses makes one realize what’s the real danger with democracy.
Romeny gave Obama a huge beatdown with the 91 Billion dollar Green Cronyism. *BAM*!
Romney is math illiterate and incompetent when it comes to bringing balance to the American budget !! People here pride themselves on being skeptical, being able to do complex math is required, I don’t understand how you can drop such a fundamental for Republican ideology ?? Using Romney’s free spending, tax break, uber pro-corporate spirit America will be another Greece in four years !!
It’s funny to see people defend their team. The seemingly endless nonsense of the argument that goes something like, “our guy inherited this mess” or “their guy got out right before his failed policies tanked the economy”. It’s all bull and supporting either side is supporting a totally corrupt system. Neither care about you at all. Neither care about the “country”. They care about fostering their own egos and setting themselves up for multi-million dollar speaking tours in retirement.
The plain fact is that both parties have been content to shred the Constitution while racking up huge deficits. BOTH PARTIES. Or I should say, the only two parties people seem to think exist. If you vote for either of these corrupt morasses of demagoguery yet again, and expect something different, you are demonstrating the definition of stupidity.
John Marshall says:
October 4, 2012 at 2:38 am
Q: Is there really a climate crisis?
A: No, there isn’t. However, there WILL be a climate “science” FUNDING crisis as soon as Mr. Romney becomes president. Expect the squealing to begin in earnest from our manic CAGW friends at that time…
P.S.
To our CAGW climate scientist friends – in 2013, please find a rich billionaire to fund your “research” and give us taxpayers a break (there are many like-minded billionaires out there to choose from).
tonyb says:
October 4, 2012 at 1:38 am
“This is the US National Debt Clock.
Your great country is rapidly heading towards Greek style financial status.”
Not exactly; Greece has no own currency anymore it can devalue.
I had not seen Mitt Romney talk more than a sound bite on TV so the debate was eye opening. It showed that Mitt is not the demon that the entire media (except for Fox News) make him out to be. In fact he seems extremely intelligent and visionary – kind of what you would expect of a Baker scholar from Harvard. He is rich and successful and has a tough time connecting with the poor but it is not yet a crime in America to be successful (although it might become a crime if Obama gets in again). Meanwhile the US President did not appear Presidential at all and came across as incompetent and bumbling.
@Educated Chimp:They aren’t going to talk about it because its not a matter of pressing financial importance. We have a tumorous debt weighing us down, a potential world war in the works, ….
Yes, we are deeply in debt. Under great financial pressure. At risk of war in the mid east. Energy, environmental, permitting, and other regulatory policies need to be front and center. There is ultimately only one way to reduce the debt —- make money by creating wealth through productive labor.
You cannot reduct the debt and ease financial pressures:
1) shutting down coal mines.
2) shutting down perfectly good coal fired powerplants.
3) by suffering blackouts from strained electrical grids missing reliable base generation.
4) by waiting in gas lines because the Strait of Hormuz is closed and we can get Canadian oil only be rail car.
5) by spending more time in the court room than on the factory floor.
Dear Educated Chimp
“Climate change is the last priority on a list created by the oil industry.” ?????
The oil industry has not created anything other than a supply line for our own insatiable demand for energy. You might as well blame the water industry for salt water intrusion into coastal aquifers as a result of fresh water withdrawal to satisfy our demand for massive volumes of water in our shore communities. Or blame the logging industry for the loss of our forests.
Are the players in those industries blameless? No, but are you?
Passing the buck is nothing more than blaming everyone and everything except yourself for being one of the consumers, without whom all of those bad old insutries would go out of business.
PBS gets money from Koch and the Natural Gas Alliance, and Lehrer, who is timid anyway, got the message. Global warming has become a pornographic term in the corporate media.
Nice going, Anthony and friends. You are screwing up the whole world.
REPLY: Mike, as I’ve said to you before, please seek help from a mental health professional. For readers that don’t know, Mike Roddy is one of the people responsible for stating that I have sex with farm animals when I asked for a factual correction to an article. – Anthony
lol
Bill Clinton looked good because he presided over a dot.com, tele.com bubble. It was Obama’s desire to look good seeing robust growth driven by a carbon bubble. Bubbles burst. Fortunately this one never took off much other than it did hurt coal and drilling on federal lands.
I see zero comments on this at Center for American Progress on the debate. They they miss the debate? (Factory orders drop by 5.2% factories produce less CO2 when they are idle.)
Looks to me like their petition was more a membership builder and a email list generator.
doSun Spot says:
Do you know how Romney turned the SLC Olympics around? The first thing he did was call all his corporate buddies and twisted their arms into investing in the Olympics. There was a lot of skepticism at first, but Romney just kept at it–he “sold” these resources on the idea, and it took off.
We’ve been “sold” on the idea of a failed America for four years under Obama. Some say he’s inept; I believe he’s got a plan to reduce the US to a 3rd world country. But either way, he can’t paint a bright future because he’s a known quantity (no more Hope and Change) and that makes him vulnerable and defeatable.
Your take on the future is to leave this election in the hands of a bumbling, uber Left idealogue. If you want the US to fail, stay there. My take on the future is one of positive expansion, led by a man who has done it before.
(If you want to see a perfect example of an unbalanced budget, that would be Obama’s: His budget proposal last time got zero votes–not even one Democrat would support it. THAT’s what you’re referring to, I’m sure.)
Continue putting your head up your team’s rear.
“Without question, we simply could not host Games in Salt Lake if it were not for the enormous spending and services of the federal government,” – Mitt Romney
According to Romney at the time, former President George W. Bush specifically included Olympic items in the budget he submitted to Congress.
2002 Olympics received $342 million in direct federal funding and an additional $1.1 billion in indirect financing from Washington because of Romney’s “leadership” and “fiscal conservatism”.
Seriously people. Wake up.
REPLY: Gosh, we financed the Olympics, how terrible. Next time we’ll tell the Olympic commission that if they want the Olympics in the USA, they need to pay for the whole thing. Meanwhile the deficit soars to soar to unprecedented heights. Maybe Obama can’t see it due to hypoxia setting in. – Anthony
Mike, you and your friends are FAILING to save the world. How can you live with this personal failure? Pounding on the Koch Brothers is a good start, but you need to get even MORE hysterical if you really want to persuade people. Run some bigger computer simpulations, on bigger supercomputers, and then draw a bigger graph and make sure it points up and to the right!
And be sure to wear one of those Guy Fawlkes masks, too. That always helps any argument.
Blade says:
October 3, 2012 at 11:31 pm
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Good points and a good reminder that tax bills and spending bills have to originate in the House of Representatives. The President can propose a budget but it has to be introduced by a congressman in the House. Why? Because, as originally written in the Constitution, the House was to represent the people of the nation, the ones who would be paying the bills. (I might be wrong on this but I think originally only taxpayers could vote.)
The Senate was to represent not so much the people of the states but the governments of the states. That’s why treaties need to approved by the Senate and not the House. The state governments would need to abide by them. It was originally up to the state how it’s senators were selected. Now it’s a popular vote and now we have unfunded mandates.
@ur momisugly Torgeir Hansson,
Bill Clinton did not truly support financial restraint. It was forced on him by a Republican controlled Congress. Although I will admit, the Republicans completely forgot about fiscal responsibility / restraint when they had control of both Congress and the White House under GW Bush.
If you really want fiscal discipline vote for divided government. Gridlock is the best defense against the growth of government.
tonyb says:
Your great country is rapidly heading towards Greek style financial status. You do not have money to spend on expensive Green measures that can never work. Your debt at 650,000Us$ per family has the potential to wreck the world economy in the next decade.
And nobody cares.
Who is going to do anything about it?
Nobody
Who is going to say to the US public that the country and private indviduals have to stop spending borrowed money if they want to maintain the status of a great nation.
I think a guy named Ron tried.
Will Obama do this?
No.
Will Romney have the guts to do it?
No
Will the US public accept the necessary measures?
Certainly not.
Was this talked about in the debate last night?
No.
Therein lies the problem.
The absence of the climate topic in the presidential debate is not a retreat by the US from the alarming climate science position created by activist leadership of the IPCC.
As long as scientific societies, academies, government science institutes and bureaucracies presume, as they currently do, that the science of the IPCC ARs is authoritative they will support the implementations of climate mitigation actions based on the IPCC ARs.
Skeptic focus and vigilance is needed now more than before.
John
To: Barack Obama
Subject: WARN Notice
Mr. Obama, due to the abject failure of your tenure as President of the United States, we are pleased to notify you that your services will no longer be required after 12/31/2012.
Kindly prepare yourself and your staff accordingly.
Sincerely,
The Management
TonyG
Thanks for your excellent reply to my comment. With the US debt clock ticking so fast I fear time is running out for your Govt to do something of their own free will before the markets step in.
Tonyb
tonyb says:
TonyG
Thanks for your excellent reply to my comment. With the US debt clock ticking so fast I fear time is running out for your Govt to do something of their own free will before the markets step in.
Tonyb
The problem is, I fear the will does not exist in this country to do anything about it. The people don’t seem interested – in fact, like Greece and Spain, they seem more interested in not only keeping but increasing spending. The borrowing part doesn’t seem to matter. And the politicians certainly have no will to do anything.
I have come to the conclusion that I am likely to see the end of the United States in my life. I only hope it happens soon enough that I still have the strength to try to rebuild something so my kids can live in a decent place.
“If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace” – Thomas Paine
REPLY: Gosh, we financed the Olympics, how terrible. Next time we’ll tell the Olympic commission that if they want the Olympics in the USA… – Anthony
I don’t know what is the public’s at large attitude towards Olympics in the USA, but Olympics did do a miracle for London, not so much for the economy, but for the ‘feel good’ factor if there is such a thing.
London August 2011: riots, looting, high street shops on fires, murders … fear for the family and property …
London August 2012: Olympics, crowds of friendly people cheering their sporting heroes, flag waving, garden parties etc. My family and I attended number of events and didn’t witness a single incident of street mugging, violence or disorder of any kind.
I don’t know what Olympics did or didn’t do for other host cities, but for London it was an event which returned hope and optimism for the city’s future…not measurable in the monetary terms.
REPLY: Gosh, we financed the Olympics, how terrible. Next time we’ll tell the Olympic commission that if they want the Olympics in the USA, they need to pay for the whole thing. Meanwhile the deficit soars to soar to unprecedented heights. Maybe Obama can’t see it due to hypoxia setting in. – Anthony
You totally missed the point. Some nitwit above was claiming that Romney turned around the SLC Olympics because he forced his corporate buddies to pony up their own money. I was exposing a falsehood that was being put forth in an effort to paint Romney as some sort of Libertarian knight in shining armor. He’s not. He’s just like every other politician. Claims to want to reduce government while he is simultaneously belly up to the bar feeding from its trough. I love the Olympics regardless of how very little economic sense it makes and how corrupt its management is.