From the National Weather Service:
“An early-season winter storm is expected to develop across eastern North Dakota into northern Minnesota beginning Wednesday night, as colder air filters into the region. Rain developing during the day on Wednesday will mix with or change to snow by Thursday morning, with the possibility for six inches or more of accumulation by Thursday morning.
SHORT RANGE FORECAST DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER COLLEGE PARK MD
339 PM EDT WED OCT 03 2012
VALID 00Z THU OCT 04 2012 - 00Z SAT OCT 06 2012
...HEAVY PRECIPITATION POSSIBLE OVER PARTS OF THE UPPER
MISSISSIPPI VALLEY......TEMPERATURES WILL BE NEAR 25 DEGREES BELOW AVERAGE
FOR PARTS OF THE NORTHERN HIGH PLAINS AND 10 TO 15 DEGREES BELOW
AVERAGE FOR THE NORTHERN PLAINS SOUTHWARD TO PARTS OF THE SOUTHERN
HIGH PLAINS..."
http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/discussions/hpcdiscussions.php?disc=pmdspd
Of course if this were a heat wave ready to pounce, the media and the alarmosphere would immediately call it “dirty weather” and related to “global warming”.
I wonder if the Weather Channel will name this event?
h/t to Gordon Fulks
Oh noes!!! It’s Karbon-Kaused Klimate Kaos!!!
25 degrees F below normal? Holy Toasty Toe Socks, Batman! Time to break out the Pook Toque!
This is going to bring a rapid end to a wonderful summer, the kind we will reminisce about with our grandchildren.
I thought October was the usual time that Montana and the Dakotas start seeing some snow? Is this really early?
Sure they’d label an October heat wave as “due to global warming”… but five will get you twenty that they blame THIS on global warming anyway.
Would this be Athena: The Greek goddess of wisdom, courage, inspirations, justice, mathematics and all things wonderful?
“Of course if this were a heat wave ready to pounce, the media and the alarmosphere would immediately call it “dirty weather” and related to “global warming”.”
Oh no!! NOAA better get busy “re-adjusting” past temperatures DOWN so that they can declare 2012 the warmest year ev-ah…
Never fear, those cold temperatures will be one more effect of global warming before the Weather Channel is thru with it.. You know, those “extreme weather conditions” that result from global warming (Oops! “Climate change.” )
Let us make our sacrifices and burnt offerings of heating oil to Athena, first storm of the season.
I bet they name the first snow storm: Anthropogenic
I bet they name the first storm: Anthropogenic
Colder air coming down the polar vortex. My but UV changes sure kick CO2 butt…
I think folks all worked up about “back radiation” are about to get a lesson in the importance of the stratospheric changes and wind / convection / evaporation / precipitation.
I guess the “missing heat” isn’t hiding in the Great Plains.
I think the Weather Channel should name Albert after the Nobel Prize winning scientist Al Gore who taught us all “global warming means global cooling”, a truly profound piece of oxymoronic wisdom.
Perhaps a new unit of measure should be introduced as well; the Gore scale. Winter storms could have a Gore scale for intensity; 1-Gore for cold and cloudy, 10-Gore for snow flurries, 100-Gore for an inch accumulation and so on. What was an average blizzard before could now be 1,000,000 Gore storm. Think of the alarmist exaggeration potential of such a scale.
Yes. It’s global weirding allright. And worse than we thought……
/sarc
If so, mobilize homeless shelters, farmers to ready their cattle for a harsh winter.
Perhaps just a taste of things to come. The AO will determine who experiences the power of the jet stream this year.
http://tinyurl.com/2dg9u22/?q=node/270
And it starts..
earlier than I thought.
Good luck guys way up north !!! Methinks you will need it.
It’s the Gore effect. Announce his dirty little secret and hell will freeze over. It never fails.
Somebody please clip that crazed poodle.
UK facing shortages of vegetables, fruit and wheat due to the poor weather this summer. Not much sign of global warming there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2212516/The-vanishing-fruit-veg-Warning-shortages-price-rises-British-crops-hit-bad-weather.html
Reblogged this on Is it 2012 in Nevada County Yet? and commented:
This is just weather, but an early start to winter that could get real long for those in the mid-west.
E.M.Smith says:
October 3, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Colder air coming down the polar vortex. My but UV changes sure kick CO2 butt…
You know, x-ray went down, ultraviolet does not get reflected by snow, I’m wondering if ultraviolet radiation is a specific result of X-ray. Interesting.
That’s an excellent idea. In fact algor is a Latin word for coldness or the cold. Winter storms could be measured in algors!
That kind of weather is the reason I left North Dakota for Arizona, yes snow can come that early to the north. I have driven on snow and ice as earlier as late September. It is hard to hunt ducks in the snow when you have camo on and the ground is white. Yet the size of this weather system is huge and it is early. Last winter was a warm one it will be interesting to see how this winter turns out, I just hope when I have to go back up there this winter it will not be too cold.
It proves my theory correct, again! When is less ice on Arctic ocean -> water absorbs EXTRA coldness (because of no ice as insulator from the unlimited coldness in the air) with double strength – that double coldness goes south and intercepts the moisture; south double the amount of snow = not enough moisture left in the air, to replenish the ice on Arctic… chain-reaction has started. Last N/W the effect was in central Europe – I hope this year will be in north America and northern Europe – where most of the Warmist are. Vandalizing Arctic’s ice by ice crusher ships -> then ruff water BRAKES 1000 time larger area, in hope that: less ice to reflect sunlight = hopefully global warming, to get them out of trouble – they don’t listen to me that: a] water reflects more sunlight, than ice (mirror effect) b] for 5-6 months, there is NO sunlight to reflect.. BUT white ice is as polystyrene, full of air, as the best insulator. – minus ice, Warmist will get double whammy::: http://globalwarmingdenier.wordpress.com/midi-ice-age-can-be-avoided/
Snowing here in the Great White North – central Alberta, Canada. Life is good, the snow makes everything bright and white. Tuning up the skis!! Now we just need the moderate El Nino to turn back to a La Nina for ski season!!!
MRF has a much stronger storm following this one a week later…
But is it enough to get the Minnesotans For Global Warming all fired up again?
We are having typical drought conditions in NE Oregon. Hot, clear skies, and dry during the day, freezing cold, dry clear skies at night. I got up this morning to a wind-carried-dust covered car (and overturned garbage can right next to it). After I started up the car, I thought I could just push the button and wash n wipe that fine palouse soil off my front windshield. The wiper fluid immediately froze on the windshield.
CO2 that greenies!!!!
Tried to use a few more commas, than, you know, normal, in that second sentence. It’s like a contest now.
Apologies to Foreigner:
“Dirty White Weather”
Hey Al G. if you’re feelin’ down
I know what’s good for you all day
Are you worried what your friends see?
Will it ruin your reputation lovin’ me?
‘Cause I’m dirty white weather
Yeah dirty white weather
Dirty white weather………
Stefan says
“water absorbs EXTRA coldness ”
odd way of putting it.(I know what you are getting at though)
I think a better way is to say it looses more heat. 😉
with a single “o” of course !!!
hit my middle finger on a nail yesterday, and its made my typing EVEN WORSE than usual !!!!
I give up!
Here in Colorado Springs, it was 83 deg today. The cold front blasted through here at 7 PM. Looking at the radar, it’s almost to the New Mexico border already. Sometimes the cold fronts get hung up going over the Palmer Divide, but not this one. My wife, who is Korean, has been drying peppers on the deck the past few days. But that has come to an end. I intend to blow out the sprinkler system tomorrow, because it’s supposed to go down into the 20s the next couple days. I HATE the cold.
Whether can be interesting, when the guilt trip is removed.
—
From:
http://thesaurus.com/browse/whether
Notes:
a wether is a neutered ram; weather is climactic and atmospheric conditions; while whether simply means ‘if’ or ‘either’
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Never knew about the ram thing, but weather/whether seem to have a commonality.
Pamela Gray says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:24 pm
“We are having typical drought conditions in NE Oregon.”
The northeastern Pacific has a REX Block (A blocking pattern where there is an upper level High Pressure located directly north of a closed Low pattern.):
Somewhat like this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/NGM_700_MB.PNG
This is hanging on until mid-week – next week – maybe longer. On the image (not the current system) you can follow the wind flow northward over the Pacific Ocean and then around into the continental interior. The flow then exits central Canada into the US’s upper central states.
The current situation shows up well here:
http://www.intelliweather.com/
Pick the Pacific Satellite thumbnail, and then click on the symbol at the top for “Animate this image.” [If a loop can be saved and linked to, that would be nice. Otherwise, look now.]
speaking of whether to use wether, whether or weather.. look at this load of carp !!
Mostly WRONG !!!!
no wonder the world believes in things like AGW if this is the education that is found on the web !!!
Sorry, very OT !!
http://sentence.yourdictionary.com/wether
“TEMPERATURES WILL BE NEAR 25 DEGREES BELOW AVERAGE FOR PARTS OF THE NORTHERN HIGH PLAINS”
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So, where is Gore’s speaking engagement? Minnesota or North Dakota? Looks like Fargo.
Somewhere out there it will be 26 degrees above average. Or maybe 25.05 degrees (just enough) above average. You know, kinda balance everything out only leaning toward increasing temperature
No matter what happens they will find global warming. Whatever it takes. They know signal’s hiding in there somewhere.
cn
Ben U. says:
October 3, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Mariss says: […] Perhaps a new unit of measure should be introduced as well; the Gore scale. Winter storms could have a Gore scale for intensity
That’s an excellent idea. In fact algor is a Latin word for coldness or the cold. Winter storms could be measured in algors!
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From Wilipedia:
Algor mortis (Latin: algor—coldness; mortis—of death) is the reduction in body temperature following death.
So he wants to kill the economy to return the globe to ambient temperature?
If his parents had only named him “Bob”!
Pamela Gray says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:24 pm
We are having typical drought conditions in NE Oregon. Hot, clear skies, and dry during the day, freezing cold, dry clear skies at night. I got up this morning to a wind-carried-dust covered car (and overturned garbage can right next to it). After I started up the car, I thought I could just push the button and wash n wipe that fine palouse soil off my front windshield. The wiper fluid immediately froze on the windshield.
CO2 that greenies!!!!
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Try adding some ethonal to your wiper fluid. In some circles that’s touted as the cure for global warming.
Here on the west side of the Denver area, we went from 80+ the last couple of days to 40, within 3 hours. Brrrr! I am NOT ready for winter!
I hope we stay above freezing tonight so that I have time to bring my plants in and cover the tomatoes!
MIght be worth re-reading this comment by Dr. Brown. It seems prescient.
During the dust bowl 1930’s they said this same kind of stuff happened. Snow on knee high corn in October and mold on corn that produced. A lot of southern Illinois corn is very moldy, from what I have examined. Maybe the rain from Isaac’s romp through caused the mold.
Yeah, I’m leaving sub-toasty Iraq to go baq to sub-seasonal Qalgary. This suqs. Aqumulation indeed.
Thanks for that!
I can hear Elmer and the band at MFGW tuning up already.
Harvested green tomatoes AGAIN! 🙁
Wayne Delbeke says:
October 3, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Snowing here in the Great White North – central Alberta, Canada. Life is good, the snow makes everything bright and white. Tuning up the skis!! Now we just need the moderate El Nino to turn back to a La Nina for ski season!!!
Sorry to disappoint you Wayne, but the El Nino seems to be a little more like a La Nina if you look at http://weather.unisys.com/archive/sst/sst_anom-120930.gif you will see that the El Nino central hot SSTs are actually totally absent and instead there are cold waters welling up from Peru out across the Pacific. I think that the normal Nino 3.4 figures have been affected by the huge pool of cold water that has been in the East Pacific for more than a year now. Perhaps this is what a cold PDO looks like with satellites?
Looks like Yellowstone will close early if the snow arrives.
I drove through a snow storm in Dillon and Butte Montana on Sept. 28, 2007.
I hope they got their crops all in.
Mariss says:
October 3, 2012 at 6:54 pm
“I think the Weather Channel should name Albert after the Nobel Prize winning scientist Al Gore…”
The greatest accomplishment of the current generation of CAGW climate scientists was to elevate Al Gore to be a Nobel laureate. He even got HALF of the Nobel prize money – the IPCC had the split the other half! Ha ha ha ha…
I bet it is rotten snow with lots of undetectable, well hidden heat inside.
Wunderground is projecting that Wichita, KS will break the 1952 record low for this Friday of 31 degrees. No complaints, I’m ready for some cool global warming.
Gary Hladik says:
October 3, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Oh noes!!! It’s Karbon-Kaused Klimate Kaos!!!
Love this. Reminds me of the newspaper headline in Miracle on 34th Street.
Kris Kringle Krazy? Kourt Kase Koming! ‘Kalamity’ Kry Kiddies
In fact I once posted a parody of part of the Miracle on 34th Street here. It had to do with AGW.
“You mean it’s like, If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again?” “Yes”. “I thought so.”
“I believe, I believe, it’s silly but I believe”
“I was wrong when I told you that Susie. You must believe in global warming and keep on doing it. You must have faith in it.”
“Faith is believing when common sense tells you not to.”
This was standard operating procedure for late September and early October when I was growing up in southwestern Montana in the 1960s. There are some days when I wonder if I should have sold my snowmobile when the series of droughts began in the mountain west in the late 1970s.
Phil says:
October 3, 2012 at 10:30 pm
MIght be worth re-reading this comment by Dr. Brown. It seems prescient.
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Thanks for the reminder and the link to Dr. Browns comment.
There has been so much presented here on WUWT over the past years that should be revisited from time to time. WUWT is like an encyclopedia on climaterelated issues it would be nice to compile the better posts and comments into an actual “encyclopedia” for a future resource for historical and academic reference when this sad era of academic and political scamming is finally closed out, hopefully to never be repeated again in future generations.
I don’t know what to call such an “encyclopedia” as there have been so many who have spent an enormous effort to bring the real truth to light. History has been made and should be compiled into some form of official documentation that would in fact be as great in volume as an encyclopedia.
http://bemidji.org/pages/ChamberWebcams/
Let’s see what this posts as.
I like the Paul Bunyan statute with the snow on it!
Max
I wonder if the Weather Channel will name this event?
“Algore #238?” The “Great Debate” Storm? “EarlyOctSnowBlow”? “CanadaStopIt #33547”?
I can see snow in the Big Horn Mountains right now in Big Horn county Montana.
The cold front hit the northern Texas Panhandle at 0415 Central Daylight Time. We were in the upper 80s yesterday and should not get past 65 today, with peak winds of 45 miles an hour. A second round is due on Friday to drop temps even farther. Typical autumn weather.
No, the Weather Channel is not naming it although they were talking about it. They said it does not meet the criteria for affecting enough people in a large enough area. I guess the named ones will be the ones that primarily hit large cities or dense populations. I guess ma and pa on the farm or living in the woods of northern Minnesota don’t count. They hastened to reassure anyone who happened to be watching that there are actual meteorological standards a storm has to reach for naming too.
But it sound to me like the name gimmick is mainly that – a gimmick to make people in places like Chicago feel important when they get snowed on.
My bad . . . it was Sept 29.
Look at bottom of page:
http://truckingblog.wordpress.com/category/winter-driving/
Phil says I didn’t see that comment when it first appeared. (I’m a slow reader with a quick brain, very frustrating.)
Nice to see that rgb has finally seen that what Ian W, E.M.Smith, a few others and I have been saying for years about enthalpy has validity.
DaveE.
They need to move the Presidential debate there.
wayne says:
October 3, 2012 at 8:02 pm
But is it enough to get the Minnesotans For Global Warming all fired up again?
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That would be just about all of us come February.
If it’s still there 10/18/2012, shout. I suspect it will melt!
Just great – I’m off for 10 days of conferences in Minneapolis next week.