Al Gore on Obama’s failed debate performance – ‘it was the altitude’, not the attitude

I would not have believed this if I wasn’t able to see it myself. This bloviation even tops Gore’s “Earth’s interior is millions of degrees” comment on live TV. Watch this video segment from Gore’s Current TV: 

So how does he explain Romney’s performance? High altitude training?

And to think this man almost became president and is the most globally recognized spokesman for global warming.

h/t to Chuck Johnson

 

 

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158 thoughts on “Al Gore on Obama’s failed debate performance – ‘it was the altitude’, not the attitude

  1. Altitude?

    This is not the first speech and visit to “The Mile High” by the current POTUS.
    Do I recall correctly that aircraft cabins are pressurized to about 2 miles, 10K feet?

  2. Some people going to 10,000 ft do experience <a href=https://www.google.com/search?q=altitude+sickness&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a"altitude sickness", and some get winded at 6,000 ft over sea level.
    While it could have some effect, I think actual track record, a much different preparation, expectations, and no teleprompter, made the biggest differences.

  3. we have our fair share of idiot politicians in the UK. innumerate, the lot of them. they understand nothing but emote a lot. it’s about time we had some scientists stand for parliament.

  4. Did the altitude impact Obama’s performance during his acceptance speech at the 2008 DNC…in Denver?

  5. Does Gore lose his brain whenever he flies in his corporate jet(s)?

    (Normal cabin altitude ~8,000ft)

  6. As much time as Pres Obama has spent cruising around on AirForce 1 lately I would think he would be well conditioned for 5,000 ft altitude.

  7. I’m so glad he was picked as “the most globally recognized spokesman for global warming”.
    Couldn’t have asked for someone more ignorant of actual science.

  8. Doug Huffman says:
    October 4, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Do I recall correctly that aircraft cabins are pressurized to about 2 miles, 10K feet?

    On trips I’ve brought my Thommen altimeter, I’ve generally seen 5,000 to 8,000 feet. Some older planes, e.g. 737, seem to have a pressure differential control so that changes in flight altitude show up in cabin pressure as a smaller altitude shift.

    Fly into Denver and your ears don’t pop.

  9. “it’s about time we had some scientists stand for parliament.”
    Not climate scientists I hope! Maybe some engineers like Burt Rutan.

  10. It wasn’t the Denver altitude, but the cabin pressure in Air Force One during the flight from Las Vegas that reduced Great Leader’s mental capacity. Seriously, equivalent cabin pressure is nominally over 5,000ft in a 747 at cruise altitude,, so should this imply that the POTUS should make no decisions on national or foreign policy for.. what… 3 hours after landing? 4? …

    2 hours just wasn’t enough….

  11. Perhaps the intellectual altitude of the debate was too high for Obama? Seems that was the reason for his lack of intellectual performance.

    No real news there, we have already had 4 years of observation evidence showing his limitations.

    Remember the line from that old Clint Eastwood movie: “a man has got to know his limitations”.

    Time for a change. N’est ce pas?

    John

  12. I’m a Brit and I’ve been to Denver three times direct from London. Don’t remember any breathing or neurological problems when I arrived. The only thing was that the air was very dry and I needed a lot of lip salve by day 3.

    I love Gore…he is the sceptic’s best recruiting sergeant :-)

  13. Is anyone here really surprised? Remember, Gore not only invented the internet, he was the first to declare that smokers were responsible for global warming!

    Heh, his next production will be titled, “An Inconvenient Mouth.”

    :>
    MJM

  14. And what altitude was Romney at, pray tell?
    According to Gore, we need to ground Air Force One because we cannot trust the President to conduct White House business at an altitude > 5000′ or air pressure < 12.1 PSI.

  15. How can anyone possibly be that stupid? The altitude didn’t change the facts of Obama’s support for “picking losers” – he was in DC at the time. What’s his excuse in that regard?

  16. Al Gore is the failed divinity student cum failed Vice President who supposedly was asked by Mother Earth to be the Supreme Gaia Priest . . . sounds like a character from a Mounty Python skit . . .

    John

  17. And now…a word from eminent climate alarmist scientist and Al Gore advisor, Dr. James Hansen, director of the premier center for climate alarmism science, NASA GISS:

    Climate scientists are losing the public debate on global warming

    Dr Hansen, who served as an adviser to Al Gore on his controversial documentary The Inconvenient Truth, said: “There is remarkable inconsistency between the scientific story and public story.”

    “The science has become stronger and stronger over the past five years while the public perception is has gone in completely the other direction. That is not an accident.”

    “There is a very concerted effort by people who would prefer to see business to continue as usual. They have been winning the public debate with the help of tremendous resources. Who knows how the East Anglia email fiasco came about?”

    BTW – “tremendous resources”? He must be referring to WUWT!

  18. How can anyone possibly be that stupid? It certainly didn’t change the facts about his support for “picking losers” – he was in DC when he did that. What’s his excuse in that regard?

  19. What a plonker! Only proves the axiom that you can’t defend the indefensible.

    Obummer seems a nice enough.bloke, but you need someone able to think for himself and make the right decisions if he is to be a good president. I think it’s time for a change of leadership in the US.

  20. Lar1 (@LarBren1) says:
    October 4, 2012 at 8:54 am

    Maybe you should donate your president to one of the ‘low countries’. Is the Netherlands low enough?

    Only if we are allowed to drop him in a unused shaft of a abandoned coalmine.

  21. old pilots words: “If you want to change your altitude, you have to chance your attitude.” About 20 years ago and old fighter pilot run an organisation to help kids back in society. Thats words was printed on his info-flyers….

  22. Bearing in mind the US is the leader of the Western World from this side of the pond both Presidential candidates appear to be of a very poor calibre.
    tonyb

  23. If a small increase in a trace atmospheric gas can cause the oceans to boil, why can’t rarified air cause a president to freeze.

  24. Let’s face it, we’ve basically been led by a tele-prompter for four years as “President”. Without memorized speeches or a tele-prompter, he’s a bit clueless if you get him out of his memorized context. I’d more like to know exactly who IS behind the tele-prompter and written speeches that wasn’t present at the debate last night, or even who is deeper behind the speech writers.

    Watch for some method appearing off-screen in the last two debates that Obama can read and be queued from the podium and Mitt Romney had better mention it if present. Maybe his answers are queued by his ‘Black’Berry, is that why his head was always stuck down looking at the podium?

  25. I hope that O”Bumble’s Team switches to using AlGore instead of John “Vietnam” Kerry for debate prep. Hilarity will ensue. It’s hard to believe that his podium was THAT much higher. Maybe it was the CO2 concentration his side of the stage?

  26. A long time ago, I was a sky diver. The drop zone I frequented would occasionaly be visited by military types. One was a doctor. He told me that smokers (president Obama is a smoker) generally feel the effects of altitude at higher altitudes than non smokers (that is they adjust to oxygen deficiency better). I’ve heard that before (in mine rescue) and since (can’t remember where). There is an abstract here:

    http://thorax.bmj.com/content/early/2012/06/13/thoraxjnl-2011-200623.abstract

    that seems to confirm this. So based on a smokers ability to adjust to high altitude faster than a non smoker, I’d have to say that Romney can claim that disadvantage. Note to Dr. Gore. Confirm your facts first. Please note. I understand that smoking greatly increases the probability of developing lung cancer and a number of other illnesses (just in case Dr. Lew is reading and looking for conspiracy nuts).

  27. Who knew that windbags are effected by the P-V-T limitations of the Ideal Gas Law ? ? ?

    Solution: Move the next debate to Death Valley at -282 ft MSL….or the Dead Sea at -1388 ft MSL…or get the POTUS a Hyperbaric debate chamber….or….

  28. Al Gore overlooks the fact that Obama had frequent altitude training when flying in Air Force One to Las Vegas, to Beyoncé and Jay-Z, to Hoover dam, just the past few weeks. Maybe he did that to prepare for the debate in high altitude Denver.

    So, while his theory sounds interesting, I would counter it by saying – maybe Obama had too much altitude training and suffered neurological damage before he arrived in Denver already. Which would of course be another reason not to vote for him. Neurologically damaged presidents probably don’t work all that well.

  29. Romney was there earlier, and perhaps he got some tips from John Elway who endorsed him.
    This is not a totally ridiculous claim, as sports teams do have trouble playing in Denver.

  30. Bob Mount says:
    October 4, 2012 at 8:42 am

    Al Gore, the man who gave up the Presidency in order to take the easy, lucrative post of Speaker of the House.

    Ah, Bob? Al was Vice President. As such his job was to chair the senate. He was never Speaker of the House.

  31. Of course, with a few more years of global warming and rising waters, Denver will be at sea level. /sarc

  32. Hmm… too bad we can’t arrange an outdoor debate in Death Valley in mid-August. There were some entire weeks this year where the daily high seemed to love being over 120!

    – MJM, “If you can’t take the heat, get out of the debate!”

  33. DJ says October 4, 2012 at 9:00 am

    It wasn’t the Denver altitude, but the cabin pressure in Air Force One during the flight from Las Vegas that reduced Great Leader’s mental capacity. Seriously, equivalent cabin pressure is nominally over 5,000ft in a 747 at cruise altitude,, so should this imply that the POTUS should make no decisions on national or foreign policy for.. what… 3 hours after landing? 4? …

    2 hours just wasn’t enough….

    Note to David Axelrod (O’s main event scheduler, political ‘handler’ and ‘fixer’ as well as campaign apologist) or Valerie Jarrett (O’s close-by ideological mentor and protected by her own special secret service detail): Have a hyperbaric chamber (HBOT)booked and standing by next time …

    Perhaps even have one ‘ready to go’ after receiving that 3 AM phone call next time too.

    .

  34. When you consider that Romney handed Obama a beauty of a line regarding the status of the economy when Obama took office, and Obama did not take advantage of it, perhaps he doesn’t really want a second term. He could lose and hand the country back to the Republican Party in nearly the same shape it was in when he was elected. Not as much involvement in Iraq – at least officially, bin Laden no longer on the wanted list, a few more jobs, but otherwise very much the same. There are signs of of improvement though. Here in California I’m seeing ads for classes in “flipping houses” in the real estate market. They pretty much disappeared after 2008.

  35. Does Gore lose his brain whenever he flies in his corporate jet(s)?

    Can’t lose what you never had.

    I’m beginning to think that the Dem veeps are chosen to make people think twice before impeaching the president. First Gore and now Biden.

  36. Another excuse. Tired of lame ass excuses. No more excuses. No more whining. Time to get on with it.

  37. Lar1 (@LarBren1) says: October 4, 2012 at 8:54 am
    “Maybe you should donate your president to one of the ‘low countries’. Is the Netherlands low enough?”

    Please don’t, we already have enough problems with local european socialism over here.

    And we would like to keep our AAA-rating…

    Romney is welcome though!

  38. pat says:
    October 4, 2012 at 9:45 am

    Al Gore has his head in the clouds.
    ________________________________________________

    Wrong general direction.

  39. The hypothesis about altitude might be more plausible if
    (a) one could exclude other factors e.g Romney was just better prepared and put up a better performance. Time spent in Denver would suggest he Romney was better prepared.
    (b) Altitude has been shown to have significant impacts of performance at 5,000 feet for healthy middle-aged men. I thought it was much higher that the impacts were significant.
    (b) There were aspects of Obama’s performance that identified the impacts of altitude sickness. Maybe a dizziness, or seeming unusually out of breath.

    Like with much of global warming hypotheses, not enough thought has gone taking into account more plausible hypotheses, or looking at magnitude or the uniqueness of confirming signals.

  40. tonyb says:
    October 4, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Bearing in mind the US is the leader of the Western World from this side of the pond both Presidential candidates appear to be of a very poor calibre.
    tonyb

    I’d rather have a third rate fireman than an arsonist any day.

  41. cui bono says

    Of course, with a few more years of global warming and rising waters, Denver will be at sea level

    I have always thought it a matter of great mirth that the Sea Level Research Group is based at the University of Colorado in Boulder. It is hard to imagine a site further from the sea nor higher up. For me, it beautifully symbolises the complete disconnect of the ‘scientists’ from their subject of study.

  42. Democrats nearly gerrymandered him in as President.

    Yeah. Think about him… getting a massage….with that crazy brain…. and a finger on the big red button.

    The USA dodged a bullet when he lost the election. There is a God.

  43. tonyb on October 4, 2012 at 9:32 am says;

    Bearing in mind the US is the leader of the Western World from this side of the pond both Presidential candidates appear to be of a very poor calibre.

    tonyb

    – – – – – –

    tonyb,

    Ahh shucks tonyb, us bumbling Yanks sure are woefully sorry about not having presidential candidates that are living up to your expectations what world leaders should be. : )

    Now, if you will excuse me, I must get back to bumbling on in my efforts at aiding & abetting the firing of Obama.

    John

  44. All his life Obama has had everything handed to him. He has never had to work for anything. He was a screw-off in school. He rarely voted for or against anything in the Senate; he voted “Present”most often — when he was actually present.

    Obama has spent the past four years golfing, taking Air Force One on constant vacations as the economy continued to tank. He avoids most daily intelligence briefings as the mideast boils. His main political tactic is to endlessly demonize and blame every group and person that doesn’t fawn over him.

    For 0bama’s whole political existence he has been surrounded by sycophants — servile flatterers — including the entire mainstream media, and those that his policies kept unemployed, and that he has bought off with trinkets like cell phones and EBT cards. For someone susceptible to flattery that is a dangerous brew, because it is easy to believe the flatterers. Obama is the Messiah; The Won.

    Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Obama came across as incompetent, a defeated wretch facing someone who has all the good qualities that Obama lacks. Even some in the MSM are now wondering: What were we thinking?!

  45. 4timesayear says:
    October 4, 2012 at 9:24 am

    Al Gore, a few fries short of a Happy Meal.

    From the looks of his waistline, he needs to stay away from those Happy Meals.

  46. Obama has been campaigning a lot in Colorado recently. I believe he was there last week. He has spent quite a bit of time in 5,000 feet or higher altitude recently. Heck, Las Vegas is at 2,000 feet.

  47. We have a control test available. When did Obama arrive in 2008 when he gave his acceptance speech at Mile High Stadium? Was he there for all four days, or was he campaigning?

  48. Al Gore versus the much funnier Bush/calendars filled with daily “Bushism’s”. I guess the comedy was a fair trade, at least until the 2008 meltdown from all that big banking de-reg resulting from right wing philosophy’s followed by those huge punishment-free, multi-trillion dollar bailouts to prevent a depression. Didn’t/don’t think much of Gore, but looked more like a tie to me. Maybe a similar kind of “doesn’t matter,still screwed” tie next election. Sarc off.

  49. I live in Santa Fe @ 7,000 feet above sea level. In the summer tourist season we would gt a number of altitude sickness cases. You can administer O2 and there even drugs, but the easiest method was to send them down to Albuquerque (which is actully higher than Denver), Like magic their symptoms disappeared in short order.

  50. tonyb says:
    October 4, 2012 at 9:32 am

    Bearing in mind the US is the leader of the Western World from this side of the pond both Presidential candidates appear to be of a very poor calibre.
    tonyb
    —————————————————————–

    tonyb’s vista is the bottom side of the pond.. so… what if anything can see actually see?

  51. I don’t know why Denver is promoted to make individuals think that 5000 ft is high altitude… try the 7000 ft of Flagstaff, AZ. Just traveling from Phoenix to Flagstaff in a vehicle is enough to give you a headache.

  52. Gore is coming to Gibraltar this month on the 21st – at an undisclosed cost.

    Some great quotes from the article:

    Al Gore “will not be present or available for any press interviews at any time.”

    …confirmed that press photographers, TV cameramen and sound recorders “will be asked to leave the hall after 5 minutes of Mr Gore’s speech.”

    …also ruled out the possibility of Mr Gore debating with a qualified international speaker in order to provide public opinion in Gibraltar with both sides of the environmental debate.

  53. Of course, it was the Altitude combined with global warming – we all know that hotter air is less dense, so each Obama gulp (uh, uh…) inhaled fewer air molecules.
    But wait – a cold front was barreling through at the time, and during the debate the temperature was falling 10 degrees per hour and the pressure was rising 5 millibars per hour. I guess that explains Obama’s dramatic improvement as time went by, concluding with his creative and profound closing statement?

  54. There were numerous excuses made for Obama’s poor performance from various members of the media. However, Gore felt obligated to present an opinion based on sound science.

  55. Obama’s poor debate performance should be expected since he is the 21st century version of the incompetent President Jimmy Carter. They are incompetent peas in the same limited intellectual pod those two . . . .

    John

  56. Al missed his chance. Instead blaming Obama’s poor showing on a lack of O2, he should have blamed it on an overdose of CO2.

  57. MarkW says:
    October 4, 2012 at 11:18 am

    “From the looks of his waistline, he needs to stay away from those Happy Meals.”

    He should get in contact with FLOTUS.

  58. Well, an interpretation from left field…I thought Obama looked like he was sick of the job and was longing to get out, onto the lucrative speaking/book writing trail that he can do so well. The presidency itself is just too damned hard and has been going on for too long. Mitt really wants it, hence he’s all bright-eyed and bushy tailed. Looked competent too. Altitude fiddlesticks…if it were 10k ft I might begin to believe it. As for Gore…lord he’s embarrassing.

  59. Winter Hawk says:
    October 4, 2012 at 11:41 am
    There were numerous excuses made for Obama’s poor performance from various members of the media. However, Gore felt obligated to present an opinion based on sound science.

    ======================================================================
    “There were numerous excuses made for Obama’s poor performance from various members of the media. However, Gore felt obligated to present an excuse based on what sounds like science to him.
    (Is that better?)

  60. I suspect that this altitude theory will be found wanting – but very soon we will learn that the president was distracted by a critical national security issue of such import that its exact nature cannot be revealed any time soon. Hence, criticism is unpatriotic.

  61. D Böehm says:
    October 4, 2012 at 11:18 am

    DB,
    I award you ‘both ears and the tail’!
    You are picador and toreador, to the political bull run into this arena!
    Ole’!
    MtK

  62. Whilst Al’s comments are amusing, I was more interested in his co-presenters’ comments and agreement with him.

    Al: “when you go to 5,000 feet…….”
    Male voice: “Exactly”
    ‘Exactly what? Before Al has made his point about height, there is agreement with whatever that point is.

    Al: “…and you only have a few hours to adjust…”
    Female voice: “That’s interesting”
    What does she find interesting? That Al is making a fool of himself or that she finds this a valid theory for O’s performance, again before hearing what Al’s point is.

    This is a meeting of the “I Love Al’ fan club with loyal sycophants sitting at his feet and believing that he can do no wrong.

  63. Jimmy Haigh says:
    October 4, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Gore. As thick as two short planks.

    That reminds me: I thought I saw a reference to Al Gore on a loaf of bread the other day. Turns out it was just Thick Cut.

  64. OMG. A local radio station caller pointed out that the military didnt want to deploy the Tuskegee Airmen to high altitude escort missions because they thought Black’s couldn’t handle the altitude. Was this what prompted AlGore’s comment?

  65. I think Obama’s drained. Just doesn’t have the fire in his belly any longer. Can’t say that I blame him. The guy’s aged ten years since 2008;

  66. Tony B, please I’m no fan of US pols but no one in a country where 3 parties united to pass that excremental Climate Change Act should be casting too many stones…. And let’s not even get started on the EU etc.

  67. Well Gore simply didn’t bother to read the Florida Stae recount laws, and thought it was ok to only recount a handful of votes, that already indicated they didn’t want to vote for anybody for president; or maybe a few more who wanted to vote for two or more different candidates. All the courts said was that there were some six million votes cast, and if you wanted a recount, you had to recount them all, not just a hand selected few.

    But Gore wouldn’t have been such a bad choice; Just look at what we are stuck with now; and with the voters indicating a wish to commit national suicide following a Rev Jim Jones pied piper.

  68. Who would have thought that a chad could represent one of the best examples of the butterfly effect.

  69. There is one spot in the debate where I thing Romney slipped and missed an opportunity for a good zinger.

    When Obama said “And I worked with Democrats and Republicans to cut a trillion dollars out of our discretionary domestic budget. That’s the largest cut in the discretionary domestic budget since Dwight Eisenhower”.

    Romney should have hit Obama with the fact that there hasnt been a budget for the entire time he has been in office. Even durring the first two years when the Dems had a majority in both houses the couldn’t pass a budget.

  70. We all need to learn to survive on less oxygen.

    Surely you know that the massive increase in C02 is *crowding out* oxygen in our atmosphere? Within a few years there will only be a couple of molecules of O2 left, huddling together for warmth. :-)

  71. Gee, do you think Obama looking tired, irritable, arguably looking hung over, could have had something to do with the three days of “debate prep” in Las Vegas?

    After all, it was so strenuous he had to take a break, and visited Hoover Dam. Which he gazed at in amazement. And wondered what great things would be named after him. Hoover has a dam. Reagan has an airport. What shall be named in honor of President Obama?

  72. pat says:
    October 4, 2012 at 9:45 am
    Al Gore has his head in the clouds.

    No, someplace darker and smellier.

  73. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
    October 4, 2012 at 3:32 pm
    Hoover has a dam. Reagan has an airport. What shall be named in honor of President Obama?

    Kadaka,
    His ‘hope’ is that his lasting legacy will be ‘Obamacare’. But, if Romney/Ryan are elected, they have pledged to ‘change’ that in short order.
    MtK

  74. Oh DEAR! The POTUS doesn’t function well at altitude?

    Well since in an emergency, we toss him onto Airforce One and he is supposed to be making clear headed decisions about things like “Nuke Them Or Not?”, and since airplanes run at an effective altitude well above that of Denver, clearly the POTUS is “not fit” to handle it. AlGore, an expert, has so testified.

    There is only one clear path here, using the Precautionary Principle, we must have Biden take over from Obama, and all further debates to be Biden vs Romney.

    Obama must step down due to his medical condition…

    Don’t know if that needs a /sarcoff>; or not… depends on “Facts not in evidence”…

  75. kadaka (KD Knoebel) says:
    October 4, 2012 at 3:32 pm
    Gee, do you think Obama looking tired, irritable, arguably looking hung over, could have had something to do with the three days of “debate prep” in Las Vegas?

    After all, it was so strenuous he had to take a break, and visited Hoover Dam. Which he gazed at in amazement. And wondered what great things would be named after him. Hoover has a dam. Reagan has an airport. What shall be named in honor of President Obama?

    Well, someday they’re going to open the high level radioactive waste storage facility. Putting away toxic stuff for nearly forever, nothing inside it is good for you…yeah, that sounds about right.

  76. Lar1 (@LarBren1) says:
    October 4, 2012 at 8:54 am
    –> Maybe you should donate your president to one of the ‘low countries’. Is the
    –> Netherlands low enough?

    How about Atlantis?

  77. Simply amazing. The Gorebull,who invented the internet,and is the leading climate “scientist” in the world,doesn’t know the difference between “altitude” and “elevation”?? I am shocked,I tells ya,shocked!

  78. Gunga Din says:
    October 4, 2012 at 12:20 pm
    Winter Hawk says:
    October 4, 2012 at 11:41 am
    There were numerous excuses made for Obama’s poor performance from various members of the media. However, Gore felt obligated to present an opinion based on sound science.

    ======================================================================
    “There were numerous excuses made for Obama’s poor performance from various members of the media. However, Gore felt obligated to present an excuse based on what sounds like science to him.
    (Is that better?)

    If the sarcasm was not obvious, yes.

  79. I think he just needed a cigarette. Looked a bit angry.

    As for Gore, it’s great to know that in America even a bumbling idiot can become a multi millionaire.

  80. You’re all wet. Many of us who were born and lived most of our lives at sea level can be quite altitude-sensitive. As a young man of 40, and an executive in a large, Denver-based Fortune 500 corporation, I would make sure that any important meetings that I had at HQ were on Mondays. Then, I would fly out to Denver on Friday or Saturday in order to go hiking on the weekend and acclimatize for the Monday morning meeting, before flying back East. I was certain to have headaches on Saturday or Sunday.

  81. Doug Huffman says, October 4, 2012 at 8:42 am:
    > Altitude?
    > is is not the first speech and visit to “The Mile High” by the current POTUS.
    > I recall correctly that aircraft cabins are pressurized to about 2 miles,
    > 10K feet?

    They’re pressurized to equiv. of 8,000 feet.

  82. BBFB,

    Denver’s altitude is by far the lamest possible excuse. If 0bama can’t handle what many thousands of travelers handle every day, why should he be trusted with his finger on the nuclear trigger?

    Face it, the true 0bama was exposed last night: bumbling without his teleprompter, lazy, incompetent, uninterested in policy, and just wishing the debate was over. Altitude had nothing to do with it. You saw the real deal in the debate.

    • Let’s stay calm and logical. I didn’t say it WAS the cause of his admittedly lame performance; I just said it is believable, and I know from personal experience that it is possible. As I wrote.

      You have no idea if Obama is lazy or uninterested in policy==a rather far-fetched notion to impose on a politician–maybe even less idea about that than Gore does about altitude’s effect on Presidential debaters. I do have an idea that Romney was playing pretty fast and loose with the truth, but like many doubletalkers, it is hard even for someone who is not overtired, to catch the misstatements on the fly. I believe that some catch-up is already under way.

  83. By the way, I hold no brief for Al Gore, who is all wet in his own way. I met him once, many years before the climate debate, and I thought he was a bit weird even then.

  84. They’re blaming the moderator, they’re blaming his anniversary, they’re blaming the altitude. A man that cannot cope with these circumstances and still lead is not qualified to be president.

    We will see Mitt Romney putting his hand on the Bible and taking the Presidential oath.

  85. BBFB says:

    “I do have an idea that Romney was playing pretty fast and loose with the truth…”

    Facts, please. Innuendo doesn’t cut it here.

    • Well, for starters, there’s this from ThinkProgress.org

      Pundits from both sides of the aisle have lauded Mitt Romney’s strong debate performance, praising his preparedness and ability to challenge President Obama’s policies and accomplishments. But Romney only accomplished this goal by repeatedly misleading viewers. He spoke for 38 minutes of the 90 minute debate and told at least 27 myths:
      1) “[G]et us energy independent, North American energy independent. That creates about 4 million jobs”. Romney’s plan for “energy independence” actually relies heavily on a study that assumes the U.S. continues with fuel efficiency standards set by the Obama administration. For instance, he uses Citigroup research based off the assumption that “‘the United States will continue with strict fuel economy standards that will lower its oil demand.” Since he promises to undo the Obama administration’s new fuel efficiency standards, he would cut oil consumption savings of 2 million barrels per day by 2025.
      2) “I don’t have a $5 trillion tax cut. I don’t have a tax cut of a scale that you’re talking about.” A Tax Policy Center analysis of Romney’s proposal for a 20 percent across-the-board tax cut in all federal income tax rates, eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax, eliminating the estate tax and other tax reductions, would reduce federal revenue $480 billion in 2015. This amounts to $5 trillion over the decade.
      3) “My view is that we ought to provide tax relief to people in the middle class. But I’m not going to reduce the share of taxes paid by high-income people.” If Romney hopes to provide tax relief to the middle class, then his $5 trillion tax cut would add to the deficit. There are not enough deductions in the tax code that primarily benefit rich people to make his math work.
      4) “My — my number-one principal is, there will be no tax cut that adds to the deficit. I want to underline that: no tax cut that adds to the deficit.” As the Tax Policy Center concluded, Romney’s plan can’t both exempt middle class families from tax cuts and remain revenue neutral. “He’s promised all these things and he can’t do them all. In order for him to cover the cost of his tax cut without adding to the deficit, he’d have to find a way to raise taxes on middle income people or people making less than $200,000 a year,” the Center found.
      5) “I will not under any circumstances raise taxes on middle-income families. I will lower taxes on middle-income families. Now, you cite a study. There are six other studies that looked at the study you describe and say it’s completely wrong.” The studies Romney cites actually further prove that Romney would, in fact, have to raise taxes on the middle class if he were to keep his promise not to lose revenue with his tax rate reduction.
      6) “I saw a study that came out today that said you’re going to raise taxes by $3,000 to $4,000 on middle-income families.” Romney is pointing to this study from the American Enterprise Institute. It actually found that rather than raise taxes to pay down the debt, the Obama administration’s policies — those contained directly in his budget — would reduce the share of taxes that go toward servicing the debt by $1,289.89 per taxpayer in the $100,000 to $200,000 range.

      7) “And the reason is because small business pays that individual rate; 54 percent of America’s workers work in businesses that are taxed not at the corporate tax rate, but at the individual tax rate….97 percent of the businesses are not — not taxed at the 35 percent tax rate, they’re taxed at a lower rate. But those businesses that are in the last 3 percent of businesses happen to employ half — half of all the people who work in small business.” Far less than half of the people affected by the expiration of the upper income tax cuts get any of their income at all from a small businesses. And those people could very well be receiving speaking fees or book royalties, which qualify as “small business income” but don’t have a direct impact on job creation. It’s actually hard to find a small business who think that they will be hurt if the marginal tax rate on income earned above $250,000 per year is increased.
      8) “Mr. President, all of the increase in natural gas and oil has happened on private land, not on government land. On government land, your administration has cut the number of permits and licenses in half.” Oil production from federal lands is higher, not lower: Production from federal lands is up slightly in 2011 when compared to 2007. And the oil and gas industry is sitting on 7,000 approved permits to drill, that it hasn’t begun exploring or developing.
      9) “The president’s put it in place as much public debt — almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined.” This is not even close to being true. When Obama took office, the national debt stood at $10.626 trillion. Now the national debt is over $16 trillion. That $5.374 trillion increase is nowhere near as much debt as all the other presidents combined.
      10) “That’s why the National Federation of Independent Businesses said your plan will kill 700,000 jobs. I don’t want to kill jobs in this environment.” That study, produced by a right-wing advocacy organization, doesn’t analyze what Obama has actually proposed.
      11) “What we do have right now is a setting where I’d like to bring money from overseas back to this country.” Romney’s plan to shift the country to a territorial tax system would allow corporations to do business and make profits overseas without ever being taxed on it in the United States. This encourages American companies to invest abroad and could cost the country up to 800,000 jobs.
      12) “I would like to take the Medicaid dollars that go to states and say to a state, you’re going to get what you got last year, plus inflation, plus 1 percent, and then you’re going to manage your care for your poor in the way you think best.” Sending federal Medicaid funding to the states in the form of a block grant woud significantly reduce federal spending for Medicaid because the grant would not keep up with projected health care costs. A CBO estimate of a very similar proposal from Paul Ryan found that federal spending would be “35 percent lower in 2022 and 49 percent lower in 2030 than current projected federal spending” and as a result “states would face significant challenges in achieving sufficient cost savings through efficiencies to mitigate the loss of federal funding.” “To maintain current service levels in the Medicaid program, states would probably need to consider additional changes, such as reducing their spending on other programs or raising additional revenues,” the CBO found.
      13) “I want to take that $716 billion you’ve cut and put it back into Medicare…. But the idea of cutting $716 billion from Medicare to be able to balance the additional cost of Obamacare is, in my opinion, a mistake. There’s that number again. Romney is claiming that Obamacare siphons off $716 billion from Medicare, to the detriment of beneficiaries. In actuality, that money is saved primarily through reducing over-payments to insurance companies under Medicare Advantage, not payments to beneficiaries. Paul Ryan’s budget plan keeps those same cuts, but directs them toward tax cuts for the rich and deficit reduction.
      14) “What I support is no change for current retirees and near-retirees to Medicare.” Here is how Romney’s Medicare plan will affect current seniors: 1) by repealing Obamacare, the 16 million seniors receiving preventive benefits without deductibles or co-pays and are saving $3.9 billion on prescription drugs will see a cost increase, 2) “premium support” will increase premiums for existing beneficiaries as private insurers lure healthier seniors out of the traditional Medicare program, 3) Romney/Ryan would also lower Medicaid spending significantly beginning next year, shifting federal spending to states and beneficiaries, and increasing costs for the 9 million Medicare recipients who are dependent on Medicaid.
      15) “Number two is for people coming along that are young, what I do to make sure that we can keep Medicare in place for them is to allow them either to choose the current Medicare program or a private plan. Their choice. They get to choose — and they’ll have at least two plans that will be entirely at no cost to them.” The Medicare program changes for everyone, even people who choose to remain in the traditional fee-for-service. Rather than relying on a guaranteed benefit, all beneficiaries will receive a premium support credit of $7,500 on average in 2023 to purchase coverage in traditional Medicare or private insurance. But that amount will only grow at a rate of GDP plus 1.5 percentage points and will not keep up with health care costs. So while the federal government will spend less on the program, seniors will pay more in premiums.
      16) “And, by the way the idea came not even from Paul Ryan or — or Senator Wyden, who’s the co-author of the bill with — with Paul Ryan in the Senate, but also it came from Bill — Bill Clinton’s chief of staff.” Romney has rejected the Ryan/Wyden approach — which does not cap the growth of the “premium support” subsidy. Bill Clinton and his commission also voted down these changes to the Medicare program.
      17) “Well, I would repeal and replace it. We’re not going to get rid of all regulation. You have to have regulation. And there are some parts of Dodd-Frank that make all the sense in the world.” Romney has previously called for full repeal of Dodd-Frank, a law whose specific purpose is to regulate banks. MF Global’s use of customer funds to pay for its own trading losses is just one bit of proof that the financial industry isn’t responsible enough to protect consumers without regulation.
      18) “But I wouldn’t designate five banks as too big to fail and give them a blank check. That’s one of the unintended consequences of Dodd-Frank… We need to get rid of that provision because it’s killing regional and small banks. They’re getting hurt.” The law merely says that the biggest, systemically risky banks need to abide by more stringent regulations. If those banks fail, they will be unwound by a new process in the Dodd-Frank law that protects taxpayers from having to pony up for a bailout.
      19) “And, unfortunately, when — when — when you look at Obamacare, the Congressional Budget Office has said it will cost $2,500 a year more than traditional insurance. So it’s adding to cost.” Obamacare will actually provide millions of families with tax credits to make health care more affordable.
      20) “[I]t puts in place an unelected board that’s going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have. I don’t like that idea.” The Board, or IPAB is tasked with making binding recommendations to Congress for lowering health care spending, should Medicare costs exceed a target growth rate. Congress can accept the savings proposal or implement its own ideas through a super majority. The panel’s plan will modify payments to providers but it cannot “include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums…increase Medicare beneficiary cost-sharing (including deductibles, coinsurance, and co- payments), or otherwise restrict benefits or modify eligibility criteria” (Section 3403 of the ACA). Relying on health care experts rather than politicians to control health care costs has previously attracted bipartisan support and even Ryan himself proposed two IPAB-like structures in a 2009 health plan.
      21) “Right now, the CBO says up to 20 million people will lose their insurance as Obamacare goes into effect next year. And likewise, a study by McKinsey and Company of American businesses said 30 percent of them are anticipating dropping people from coverage.” The Affordable Care Act would actually expand health care coverage to 30 million Americans, despite Romney fear mongering. According to CBO director Douglas Elmendorf, 3 million or less people would leave employer-sponsored health insurance coverage as a result of the law.
      22) “I like the way we did it [health care] in Massachusetts…What were some differences? We didn’t raise taxes.” Romney raised fees, but he can claim that he didn’t increase taxes because the federal government funded almost half of his reforms.
      23) “It’s why Republicans said, do not do this, and the Republicans had — had the plan. They put a plan out. They put out a plan, a bipartisan plan. It was swept aside.” The Affordable Care Act incorporates many Republican ideas including the individual mandate, state-based health care exchanges, high-risk insurance pools, and modified provisions that allow insurers to sell policies in multiple states. Republicans never offered a united bipartisan alternative.
      24) “Preexisting conditions are covered under my plan.” Only people who are continuously insured would not be discriminated against because they suffer from pre-existing conditions. This protection would not be extended to people who are currently uninsured.
      25) “In one year, you provided $90 billion in breaks to the green energy world. Now, I like green energy as well, but that’s about 50 years’ worth of what oil and gas receives.” The $90 billion was given out over several years and included loans, loan guarantees and grants through the American Recovery Act. $23 billion of the $90 billion “went toward “clean coal,” energy-efficiency upgrades, updating the electricity grid and environmental clean-up, largely for old nuclear weapons sites.”
      26) “I think about half of [the green firms Obama invested in], of the ones have been invested in have gone out of business. A number of them happened to be owned by people who were contributors to your campaigns.” As of late last year, only “three out of the 26 recipients of 1705 loan guarantees have filed for bankruptcy, with losses estimated at just over $600 million.”
      27) “If the president’s reelected you’ll see dramatic cuts to our military.” Romney is referring to the sequester, which his running mate Paul Ryan supported. Obama opposes the military cuts and has asked Congress to formulate a balanced approach that would avoid the trigger.
      UPDATE
      Romney has now admitted that number 26 was not true.

  86. No, No. It was not altitude OR attitude that failed Obama.
    It was Obama’s aptitude that failed him!
    Not smart enough to debate without a teleprompter.

  87. Evidently he doesn’t remember that the 2008 DNC was in Denver – didn’t seem to effect Obama then.
    Al Gore has a hard time speaking without making a fool of himself

    • And the word “acclimatizatin” appears not to have an effect on you. Ironic, given the theme of this blog.

  88. BBFB,

    Not one of your cut ‘n’ pasted talking points from ‘Think Progress’ qualifies as a “lie”. It is all psychological projection; Obama cannot open his mouth without lies spewing forth like water from a high pressure fire hose. In fact, your boy is a dainty little flower who can’t handle an important debate. He flunked, and the whole world saw it.

    We saw the real 0bama last night: an incompetent screw-off who has other interests beside the good of the country. His apologists blame his failed performance on Denver. The real reason is that 0bama has been handed everything for the past 15 years, and the MSM covers for him. But when the chips were down, he failed. You are deluded if you believe otherwise.

  89. Even far-Left CNN’s polling shows: “67% win for Romney, 25% for Obama.”

    0bama was exposed last night as the inept, lazy, incompetent place-holder that he has been for the past four years. And there is another debate coming up. 0bama must be terrified.

    From the highly regarded Powerline blog:

    Mitt Romney was in control from the beginning. He was the alpha male, while Barack Obama was weak, hesitant, stuttering, often apologetic. The visuals were great for Romney and awful for Obama. Obama looked small, tired, defeated after four years of failure, out of ammo.

    America deserves better than this feminine ‘community organizer’.

  90. But it bothers me that in 2006, his last year as governor, Romney spent all or part of 212 days out of state, laying the foundation for his anticipated presidential campaign. His job approval numbers had slipped to as low as 34% approve, 65% disapprove. He was at 66% approve and 33% disapprove a few months into his term.

    Some of that was obviously due to his opposition to gay marriage and civil unions. He also raised a lot of government fees. Balanced budget was a law in Massachusetts, so he took a lot of austerity measures. But much that wasn’t being done elsewhere in the country after the 2000 recession. Job growth in Massachusetts rose at a rate of 1.5 percent (compared to the national average of 5.3 percent), placing Massachusetts 47th of the 50 states in new job creation over the course of Romney’s term.

    That he did extraordinary accomplishments… where’s the beef?

  91. When you need someone to make excuses for you, you want someone who can make credible excuses and Al Gore did not fill that role for Obama. And he certainly didn’t help himself either. There are plenty of Obama supporters who could have done a better job explaining his debate performance, or at least obfuscating it. But instead in one bumbling interview Gore both drew attention to Obama’s poor debate performance and then provided an obviously made up on the spot excuse for it.

    Obama staff to Al Gore: please don’t do us any more favors.

  92. Barefoot boy from Brooklyn says:
    October 4, 2012 at 7:54 pm
    “Well, for starters, there’s this from ThinkProgress.org”

    Didn’t read it all. Maybe you could summarize it in your own words.
    Just wanted to say:
    ThinkProgress Is Malware.

  93. From Barefoot boy from Brooklyn on October 4, 2012 at 7:54 pm:

    Well, for starters, there’s this from ThinkProgress.org

    Instant FAIL, attempted propaganda propagation, no further reading warranted.

  94. The following is an extract from the climate chapter of Nate Silver’s new book – regarding Al Gore’s film,

    “…sometimes [being] less cautious, portraying a polar bear clinging to life in the Arctic, or South Florida and Lower Manhattan flooding over. Films like these are not necessarily a good representation of the scientific consensus.”

    Any problem with it? Well Dana at SkS felt it needed addressing: he points out that Arctic sea ice is further declining (relevance to polar bears?) and he says that “it’s certainly true that south Florida and Manhattan could eventually become flooded as a result of sea level rise.”.

    So scare tactics based around exaggerations therefore are a good representation of the scientific consensus, right Dana?

  95. What a chilling thought that an australopithecine like Al Gore came so close to the presidency. I have to wonder when this fool will be parted from his money – and hope that it won’t be long.

    I propose that we enact a 200% ad valorem tax on all of Al Gore’s income and property plus vigorous enforcement of the regulation against improper shoelace tying on him (in his case, at a penalty of $500,000 per occurrence, one shoe is an occurrence). And do the samed for all AGW scaremongers – we an identify them from their publushed “scientific” papers. Maybe that way the taxpayers could get back some of these people’s ill-gotten gains and some of the monies squandered on chading the CO2 bogeyman.

    And maybe some of these miscreants might get the message that what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. You want to tax and regulate me to death? OK, then I’ll tax and regulate you personally to the limit.

    No, not entirely tongue in cheek.

  96. Like someone says above take the teleprompter away and all you have left is teeth and ears.

    Obama will win though, why would you replace a puppet with a muppet?

  97. Aircraft cabins are pressurized to 8000ft. at 10,000ft you need to start breathing oxygen to maintain the equivalent sea level partial pressure of oxygen. At 30,000ft 100% pure oxygen must be breathed and above that height pressure breathing must be used. This is for operating aircrew in a non pressurized aircraft. Mildly anoxic passengers tend to want to sleep which keeps them quiet.
    Obama just couldn’t handle it against Romney.

  98. michaeljmcfadden says: October 4, 2012 at 9:04 am

    Heh, his next production will be titled, “An Inconvenient Mouth.”

    Or, perhaps, “An Incontinent Mouth”

    As for Obama’s (unsurprisingly) lacklustre performance … well (with sincere apologies to Bob Dylan):

    Hey! Mr Big Excuse Man, play a song for me
    I’m so sleepy and there is no place you’re going to
    Hey! Mr Big Excuse Man, play a song for me
    In the jingle jangle morning no one’s followin’ you.
    Though I know that someone’s empire has returned into sand
    Teleprompter has been banned
    Left you blindly there to stand and fear to speaking
    Your bleariness amazes me, and Romney has you beat
    ‘Tho your fans are sure to tweet
    Their approval of your empty suit so unappealing

  99. 278. I think the number is 278 Florida voters that tipped the 2000 election. Talk about a close call.
    I’m from Florida. I’ve been to mile-high places before and I felt no difference. The average airliner has a cabin altitude of 8000′ The aircrew does a thoughtful job without trouble at this altitude.
    14000′ is mandatory O2 for passengers. 5000′ is nothing.
    Gore is so disconnected from reality that he’s not embarrassed by his ridiculous statement.

  100. Hi Barefoot boy from Brooklyn:

    Well guess what, I’m a sea-level type too. I too have been to Denver many times and never experienced “headaches” that you describe. I have been able to function effectively at scientific meetings there within 2-3 hours after landing; I would argue that the level of thought required to plan scientific satellite missions is much higher than the level of thought required by a political debate. By contrast, I did experience mild altitude sickness at Jackson Hole, WY (elevation approx. 6400 ft.)

    Face it, your boy was totally unprepared and blew it. Al Gore’s excuse-making is lame, and your attempted defense nearly as lame.

  101. Don Worley says (October 4, 2012 at 6:26 pm): “I think he just needed a cigarette. Looked a bit angry.”

    Well, nicotine withdrawal is a more plausible excuse than altitude sickness.

    kadaka (KD Knoebel) says (October 4, 2012 at 3:32 pm): “Hoover has a dam. Reagan has an airport. What shall be named in honor of President Obama?”

    A golf course?

  102. @Barefoot Boy – Yes your defence of Gore is indeed lame. I have been mountaineering for 30 years and have never heard of anyone developing symptoms of altitude sickness at only 5000ft. Not ONCE. In 30 years.

  103. Above 8,000 ft, the air pressure is responsible for slowing down the exchange of oxygen in your system, but you can acclimatize to it. But Obama didn’t seem comfortable as before, he’ll rally, that could have been a ploy. It’s all political hype. I am not American but his stance on AGW seems to be something he would rather put behind him, and Gore too!

  104. pokerguy says:
    October 4, 2012 at 1:14 pm
    I think Obama’s drained. Just doesn’t have the fire in his belly any longer. Can’t say that I blame him. The guy’s aged ten years since 2008.

    Likely he’s aged many more as just as much. Not having a job will do that to you as well.

  105. Idd, actually that is expected, non of us can imagine the pressure and work schedule country leaders have to endure. Rather them than me. I reckon Mrs Obama would be a good supporter, she looks harder than him, not in physical looks of course but personality. But one thing I can not understand is why the health scheme proposed was knocked back? I assume it was because of the cost to the country with your huge population. Maybe the GOP can somehow modify this, otherwise I doubt if anyone who isn’t covered as yet, will vote for them.

  106. Better check for early Alzheimers and its hockey stick-shaped growth pattern in the population as a result of human-caused climate change and declining ice cover at one of the poles. Perhaps consensus group think is also an earlier indicator of onset.

  107. Billy Liar says:
    October 4, 2012 at 8:50 am

    Yes, and apparently it takes months to get it back. He speaks from experience so it must be true.

  108. Clinton picked Gore for the same reason Obahma picked Biden as V.P. Insurance against assassination.

  109. I still think Obama is trying to put Gore behind him, he is trying to offer some opinion and he won’t come straight out with it. Gore misled Congress, so have the IPCC, and Gore has not got his head in the clouds, he has it in his back pocket, where he keeps his wallet. He is a big investor in green energy remember. And I hope he goes broke!

  110. Shevva says:
    October 5, 2012 at 12:19 am
    Did you watch the debate? What it showed is that the media has portrayed Romney inaccurately and what you saw slaying Obama that night was the real, fiscally capable, focused guy that America really needs right now.

  111. Al Gore is just plain mad.

    5,000′ my ass. Forget about 5,000′ or 8,000′ even.

    A domestic commercial airliner will typically cruise at 18,000 – 20,000′.

    If Obummer traveled in Airforce 1, he’d be more likely even higher, like 29,000′.

    Why does anyone even want to listen to Al Gore any more?

  112. It’s pressurized cabins, goodness Gore, military pilots don’t have that luxury, that is why they are inhaling oxygen. And why oxygen masks fall down on passengers if pressurization fails. Gore is an idiot and I am sure Obama would rather he shut up! He’s had his say in the past, and has embarrassed the US of A. Mind you he probably knows how Obama and Co think about him, and is deliberately being ‘bitchy’.

  113. I was reading an article by Monckton about how leftists don’t like to debate, in general. He mentioned Al Gore specifically.

    It linked to this other article about how Monckton proves that President Obama, whom he refers to as “Black Jesus”, almost certainly produced a fake birth certificate.

    Anyone else see Monckton’s World Net Daily Obama fake birth certificate article?

    For the record, I am not a fan of Obama — and am entirely certain he was born in Hawaii.

    P.S. My reaction to seeing the above article by Monckton was, “Ugh.” Also am not a real huge fan of WND. Your mileage may vary.

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