130 mph biocoal steam engines – another high speed rail boondoggle?

My grandfather made steam engines, my father made a scale steam locomotive for taking children on rides in the park and at the fair. Some of my happiest memories as a child were of sitting behind my father in the coal tender, chugging down the tracks, so any picture of a steam engine brings back fond memories.

[ UPDATE: I hadn’t realized it from the photo above until later, but the 4-6-4 “Hudson” locomotive above is the one my dad modeled for the 1/8th scale train of my youth, except his had the feedwater tank over the front like this one. Our family had to sell the train due to financial hardship after his death to somebody in Lebanon Ohio (probably the saddest day of my life). I’ve since lost track of it and would give anything to get it back, but I fear it has been scrapped. I hadn’t thought about this in a long time but the image provoked some long repressed memories. On the plus side, I’ve located a Lionel model Hudson 4-6-4 Steam Locomotive 665 with 736W Tender on Ebay, and exact match to the engine and tender my dad constructed, which I hope to buy so that I can show it to my children, and pass on the story with something to show them, along with the family photographs. I never thought this topic would come up on my blog, but here it is, serendipitously hitting me with emotion. – Anthony ]

When I saw this, all I could think of is how silly this idea is. All the greens seem fascinated with high speed rail due to Euro-envy, and in California they are ramming it down our throat at an anticipated huge loss, even worse than Solyndra. With a forecast price tag in the tens of billions and growing, it is just nuts given the economic climate right now, not to mention we don’t have people clamoring to climb aboard.

In retrospect however, anything that would put a steam locomotive back on the tracks is music to my ears, even if they ran it on used McDonald’s french fry oil like some of those hippie buses we see here in California.

Here’s the strange part, they are converting an oil burning locomotive to run “biocoal”, and somehow they magically think the production process and the burning of it won’t produce any net CO2, saying the process is “carbon neutral”.  I think they’ve left out some parts, like the energy needed to produce and transport the biocoal fuel in the first place. Excerpts from the MSNBC story

A steam train built in 1937 is getting a makeover that will turn it into a “higher-speed” locomotive that runs on biocoal, a coal-like fuel made with woody plant material.

When finished, the train will be able chug along existing tracks at speeds up to 130 miles per hour without contributing to the greenhouse gas pollution blamed for global warming.

“Computer simulations already show that the locomotive is about as powerful as two modern passenger diesel locomotives,” Davidson Ward, president of the Coalition for Sustainable Rail, told me Thursday.

“But it will burn carbon neutral fuel.”

The biocoal is based on a so-called torrefaction process pioneered at the University of Minnesota in Duluth. To make it, woody material — in this case trees — are heated in the absence of oxygen. The resulting flaky matter is then rammed together under high pressure to create coal-like bricks.

The charcoal briquettes aka “biocoal”

Biocoal has the same energy density as regular coal, but is cleaner burning, and since trees (the fuel source) sequester carbon as they grow, the system is considered carbon neutral, according to Ward.

Today, most higher-speed passenger trains are diesel-electric locomotives, which generate their peak horsepower at low speeds — about 25 miles per hour. Steam locomotives, by contrast, get their peak horsepower at higher speeds — about 40 miles per hour.

“Initial computer simulations suggest that the CSR’s modern steam engine will significantly out-accelerate a modern diesel-electric locomotive to 110 mph,” according to the coalition’s website.

I got a big chuckle out of this part though:

If all goes according to plan, they might build a new steam locomotive from scratch, which will have some modern looks.

For example, “no cowcatcher,” Ward said. “You don’t need a cowcatcher today unless you are a ‘Back to the Future’ fan.”

Just wait until they plow into some green gawker driving a Prius, you know it is going to happen.

From the “Coalition for Sustainable Rail” website:

Once its modernization is complete, CSR 3463 will have little in common with the smoke-belching steam engine it once was. Featuring a gas-producer combustion system, improved steam circuit, modernized boiler, low-maintenance running gear and steam-powered electric generator (to power the passenger train), CSR anticipates 3463 will be able to pull a passenger train with electric-like performance for less than the cost of diesel-electric locomotives. In order to further prove the viability of biocoal and modern steam technology, CSR plans to test the locomotive in excess of 130 miles per hour, out-performing any existing diesel-electric on the market and breaking the world steam speed record. In light of this achievement, CSR has named this endeavor: “Project 130.”

Historical 3463 Tech Specs

train-techspecs bLocomotive 3463, acquired by CSR through the generosity of its former owner, the Great Overland Station of Topeka, Kansas, is the largest locomotive of its type left in the world and features the largest wheels of any engine in North America. CSR will completely rebuild and modernize the locomotive, doubling its thermal efficiency, converting it to burn biocoal and more. When done, locomotive 3463 will share only the most fundamental resemblance to the engine it once was.

The table below outlines characteristics of locomotive 3463 as built in 1937 by the Baldwin Locomotive Works:

Category Statistics 
General Classification 4-6-4
Service Passenger
Fuel Oil
Tractive Force, lbs. 49,300
Weight in Working Order, lbs. 412,380
Length, Overall, ft.-in. 102-6.75
Length, Wheelbase, locomotive and tender 88-8
Boiler (Nickel Steel):
   Diameter, in. 88
   Working Pressure, lbs. (Designed)  300 (310)
Firebox (Standard Firebox Steel, Grade B):
   Length, in. 132
   Width, in. 108
   Grate Area, sq. ft. 99
   Thermic Syphons  2 (95 ft2)
 Engine
   Cylinder Bore, in.  23.5
   Cylinder Stroke, in.  29.5
 Driving-wheel Tread Diameter, in.  84
 Capacity of Tender
   Water, gallons  20,000
   Oil, gallons 7,000
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polistra
June 1, 2012 2:45 am

Steam isn’t obsolete! A couple years ago in one of those wonderful British Barbecue Winters when children had forgotten about snow, the Barbecue Sauce got so deep that none of the electric commuter lines could run. A diehard steam advocate who was running a sort of tourist line ended up carrying a lot of non-tourists to their destinations.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/8428097.stm
Mark Allatt, head of the company that is making these new steam locos, had a beautiful Gotcha:
“If any of the train operators want to modernise their services by using steam trains, I would be happy to give them a quote.”

June 1, 2012 2:56 am

The world record for a steam loco is 126mph by Mallard in the UK. It was/is a 4-6-2 loco operated by LNER, as was, and took the record in 1938. It is now in the York railway museum and still does the occasional trip on the main line. It was specially designed to be as aerodynamic as possible with a design speed of 100mph. Mallard can be described as beautiful. Not a word I would use for the one pictured above.

boodledug
June 1, 2012 2:57 am

I may be wrong but isn’t this super new fuel just barbecue briquettes?
Is there a 130mph Barbie in the guinness book of records ?
Hope there will be plenty of cold beer as well

Mike McMillan
June 1, 2012 2:57 am

Patrick says: May 31, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Number 4468 Mallard is a London and North Eastern Railway Class A4 4-6-2 Pacific steam locomotive built at Doncaster, England in 1938. Recorded a sustained speed of 126mph.

Casting aside track limitations, the major limitation on speed is the drive cylinders. The Mallard’s didn’t survive after the run, and it had to limp back home. Unless they’ve come up with some way of converting steam to motion other than a reciprocating steam piston, they won’t be seeing 130 mph until sometime after we’ve perfected fusion.
As an aside, the only weight limitation on steam locomotives is how much they can get started. Drive cylinders on opposite sides are offset so at least one is in a position to push, even if the other is at top dead center. Once a steam engine gets moving, it’s a real hauling machine.

Kelvin Vaughan
June 1, 2012 3:04 am
June 1, 2012 3:24 am

This whole idea is extremely silly. I am betting that these people have never been involved in railway engineering.

Tim B
June 1, 2012 3:40 am

I guess they discounted the Duke and OSU study already. Isn’t anybody worried about the liquid “sequestered water” being turned into a greenhouse gas vapor cloud of positive feedback climate death? Doesn’t anyone realize how hot the planet would get if we evaporated all the oceans into steam? And they must have a Hockey Stick graph of when these newfangled supertrains will replace diesel for the investors.

Bob
June 1, 2012 3:47 am

Since wood is planted, grown, harvested and replanted, it is a renewable resource. Nothing big about torrefied wood. There seems to be a number of companies doing this. I really question the carbon neutrality claims. Also, how do they get this beast to comply with the Boiler MACT? Quite a scam these folks have going.

Grey Lensman
June 1, 2012 3:49 am

Tornado was actually built in 2009 and is a an A1 pacific locomotive.

I had the privilege to ride the footplate of Mallard from Stevenage to Hitchin and to do the Talisman from Hitchin to Newcastle pulled by that famous beast.
Why do watermelons have to e so deceptive, charcoal is just that, not biocoal.

Paul Coppin
June 1, 2012 3:58 am

Skiphil says:
May 31, 2012 at 10:27 pm
example: I’ve spent a great deal of time in this area, seen this train on its route many times and ridden it a few times:
http://hebervalleyrr.org/excursions/scenic-excursions/provo-canyon-limited/#
They have a steam engine, which is beloved by tourists for its historical flavor, but they ALMOST ALWAYS are running the train with diesel engines despite the lack of “authentic” old historic flavor.
I assume that’s because the costs and operating efficiencies of using the diesel engines are much better, because otherwise they would love to let tourists enjoy the experience of being pulled by an authentic steam engine.”

The attaching of a deisel pusher is usually a safety requirement where the steam loco is running over open current service lines. Its to make sure they can get the steam train off the tracks should there be a mechanical breakdown. On a closed line its not needed.

Paul Coppin
June 1, 2012 4:02 am

“Biocoal” pellets are already available in most Lowes and bigger grocery stores. Check the seasonal aisle for “charcoal briquets”….

wayne Job
June 1, 2012 4:02 am

Useful idiots or would that be useless pipe dream idiots. If the developments in cold fusion happen, steam rail and cars may indeed be useful, but the efficiency burning carbon based fuels is way stupid.

AB
June 1, 2012 4:15 am

I confess to being a complete steam nut. My fondest steam memory is of travel through central China 26 years ago. Steam can still be improved upon and there are folk dedicated to this end. The carbon neutral story here is a leg pull as many of you rightly point out.
Take a look at what they are doing in the UK.
http://www.a1steam.com/
http://www.lms-patriot.org.uk/index.html
http://5at.co.uk/index.php/home.html

Kaboom
June 1, 2012 4:18 am

Obviously these people should be required to build a CO2 separator into their contraption to achieve full CO2 neutrality. Should only be about as big as the engine …

Skiphil
June 1, 2012 4:18 am

why don’t we go back to the good ol’ days of making charcoal from wood so that blast furnaces can be fueled in such a modern, efficient (sic) way? This is how it used to be done more than a century ago:
http://www.nps.gov/hofu/historyculture/charcoal.htm

Owen in Ga
June 1, 2012 4:24 am

So if the trees fell long ago and were transformed to coal, it is bad to burn them, but if the tree is standing and photosynthesizing, it is fine to chop it down and burn it. Somehow I am missing the logic of this. Is it just me, or does it seem that their process loses new sequestration while releasing all the carbon that was previously sequestered. Of course there was the study that showed that “new” forests take up more CO2 then “old”. I wonder if that was an attempt to grease the skids for something like this. Now I don’t buy the CO2 is bad meme so maybe it is alright, but you would think they would at least attempt to keep their INTERNAL logic consistent. Of course when ones whole world view is based on a lie, it is hard to keep things consistent.

cirby
June 1, 2012 4:25 am

It will be fun to see how they’re going to manage wheel hop on that machine.
If the wheel balance isn’t just so, you start getting a bouncing effect at speed, due to the reciprocating power output and the counterbalances built into the wheels.
The Royal Hudson had a design top speed of just over 90 MPH. The fastest one ever built topped out at 103 mph. I’ll be very interested to see how they get another 25% out of that design…

Bruce Cobb
June 1, 2012 4:25 am

In honor of all of the other fantasies they have about this proposed charcoal briquettes-powered train, I suggest they number the platform from which it will be boarded 9 3/4.

mwhite
June 1, 2012 4:29 am

“Unless they’ve come up with some way of converting steam to motion other than a reciprocating steam piston, they won’t be seeing 130 mph until sometime after we’ve perfected fusion.”
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/turbine/
The steam turbine doesn’t require pistons. It may have had problems but that was many moons ago, perhaps a modern design would work well.

Cal Smith
June 1, 2012 4:32 am

I don’t think anyone has addressed the lack of customers wanting to ride it in California. I have the solution to that problem. Change the route from Sacramento to LA to Fresno to Austin TX. There will be no lack of people buying tickets – at least for the outbound leg.

Paul Mackey
June 1, 2012 4:32 am

I am going to take away from this the fact that trees are “woody material”. You learn something every day.
I haven’t stopped laughing at that bit yet……

CodeTech
June 1, 2012 4:50 am

Eyal Porat says:
May 31, 2012 at 10:43 pm
I have found the TRUE perptum mobile!
All you need is just drop the friction part from your calculations…
They have done the same, only they droped:
– cutting of trees
– heating them
– high pressure press
– transporting them
if you leave these tiny parts – then it is 100% carbon neutral.

You forgot: BURNING them!
I actually laughed at this… someone actually believes that since wood sequesters carbon, therefore processing, transporting it, and burning it is carbon neutral? I can’t even imagine what is wrong with these people. I do know that if my kid was thinking this way, I’d be taking her to specialists.

June 1, 2012 4:57 am

A gold-plated pipe drem. I recall a story of another US locomotive which was completely restored for a tour as part of the 1976 bicentennial. A freight locomotive as I recall and a real monster. Anyway, after spending gobs of money in a total restoration they found the weight of the engine and tender alone was greater than most of the trackbed they planned to tour could safely handle. So it basically stayed in the yard.
Steam, together with iron and coal carried civizilation into the industrial era. People should respect the role steam played in enabling our current technological well-being. But we have much more efficient thermodynamic engines today for transportation systems and we should leave steam to the history buffs, tourists and museums.

beng
June 1, 2012 5:00 am

I’m a steam-engine fan too. There’s an operating ~1920 Baldwin 2-8-0 that takes tours up the steep grade from Cumberland to Frostburg, MD:
http://www.railsnw.com/Tours/western_maryland_scenic_railroad/western_maryland_scenic_railroad-tour002.htm
You can store your bicycle on it on the way up, then ride along w/it going back downhill.
I agree this is a simple case of Euro-envy (socialists/marxists love Euro-stuff). High speed rail is only practical in the most crowded urban corridors in the US. Too bad. I’m impressed w/the French HS-rail train, tho. It has magnetic-induction braking in the wheels!

Hoser
June 1, 2012 5:00 am

Unless they issued some form of green politically-motivated waiver, CARB would not allow steam locos to run in CA, not without a filter system to capture PM10 and PM2.5. The CARB regs have forced many otherwise perfectly good diesel truck engines to be replaced with . Even farm equipment has a limit in the allowed amount of use per year. Nuts.
http://killcarb.org/
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/offroad/loco/loco.htm
http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/diesel/diesel-health.htm
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/30/the-epa-and-undisclosed-human-experimentation/