Wow, it doesn’t get much uglier than this. In my opinion, this is hate speech. Steve Zwick writes in his Forbes column:
We know who the active denialists are – not the people who buy the lies, mind you, but the people who create the lies. Let’s start keeping track of them now, and when the famines come, let’s make them pay. Let’s let their houses burn. Let’s swap their safe land for submerged islands. Let’s force them to bear the cost of rising food prices.
They broke the climate. Why should the rest of us have to pay for it?
People who doubt the magnitude of CO2/AGW driven climate change broke the climate?
I suppose then that Mr. Zwick has never driven a car, never taken an airplane trip, never heated or cooled his home, never bought products produced overseas and shipped here, never grilled at a BBQ, or never used electricity to power his computer to write his litany of hate for Forbes. No, he’s apparently not used any CO2 producing modern convenience at all, which is why he bizarrely believes he has some sort of moral high ground.
His hypocrisy is beyond description. His full essay is here.
For those who wish to complain about his hate speech against fellow Americans, see the Forbes Contact page here.
As for his points about the Yale poll trying to make us all fear the weather as some human caused machination of climate, read this.
UPDATE: Warren Meyer offers a thoughtful rebuttal in Forbes here
Smokey says:
April 19, 2012 at 3:42 pm
First Gleick, now Zwick. Can’t Forbes find a rational believer in mann-made climate catastrophe?
Smokey maybe it is the “ick” at the end of their names. A common theme so to speak. “Ick” says something don’t it.
Zwick apparently hasn’t come to grips with the tremendous benefit amospheric CO2 has on the biosphere, including the increase in grain production world-wide. Maybe he’s a closet population controller who worries there won’t be enough of earth’s riches for his greedy self. Sad, sad little man.
“Warren Meyer offers a thoughtful rebuttal”
It was an excellent rebuttal. I’m very surprised Forbes allows Zwick to post slanted articles. Free Speech aside, why publicize foolishness?
His short bio on the article says:
I edit Ecosystem Marketplace, an online news service that reports on market-based solutions to environmental problems.
Sounds like son of Enron. Follow the money.
When the auther calls ‘ overwhelming consensus’ a fact (in response to Willis Eschenbach’s comment) you know you are dealing with a real lightweight that has bought into the brainwashing entirely. There is no presentation of real facts that will penetrate this kind of stupidity.
Of course, it is meaningless to hold honest people accountable for supporting honest science and descriptions of reality. The threats Zwick makes are vacuous and could not stand, unless anarchy ruled.
But, taking Zwick’s lead, we SHOULD track the frauds and dishonest “climate scientists” for their lies and complicity in supporting a multi-trillion dollar scam. When the IPCC and AGW scam collapses, they should all be prosecuted and stripped of their credentials. That’s not an attack, it’s not being mean, it’s what we do when people are dishonest, malicious, fraudulent, and just plain stealing people’s money and damaging economies. Furthermore, they are killing people in the process. The increased cost of food due to biofuels is killing people—all warmist scientists support the junk science that supports this stupid enterprise—they are all complicit.
How much nasty horrible Gaia killing CO2 will be released into the atmosphere when they burn all our houses?
[SNIP: Language, OTT, and no valid e-mail address. You can resubmit a somewhat more restrained comment with a valid e-mail address. OK? -REP
Hate speech is putting it mildly, or “politcally correct”, if you prefer. Just replace the term “deniers” with “Jews” and see what results.This is a clear-cut incitement of pogroms.
I will take up his offer to swap my condo for a tropical island somewhere.
“Okay… Steve Zwick, lets give him the benefit of doubt, he’s probably a very honest and a very nice person, a caring man who has the best intentions for everyone around him.”
Just an Excitable Boy?
Gunga Din says, April 19, 2012 at 2:51 pm
…this SciFi story of Catastrophic Man Made Global Warming …
Definitions, please. It’s SF when both the authors and the readers/viewers know that there are no Little Green Men on Mars and no timelords doctoring the TARDIS. Then you get Asimov and Heinlein. It’s snake oil showtime when they pretend that the ETs are really bending your spoons; then you get Uri Geller and Erich von Daniken. And when the authors have to believe in the charade (or at the least pretend to believe), you get things like communism. Or AGW.
Please bear in mind that Steve Zwick is a science illiterate. He knows as much about “climate science” as I do about Egyptian Hieroglyphics. There’s a generic term now in common use for the Steve Zwicks of the world: Global Warming Morons.
Ulrich Elkmann says:
April 20, 2012 at 8:28 am
“Hate speech is putting it mildly, or “politcally correct”, if you prefer. Just replace the term “deniers” with “Jews”…”
Or Muslims, gypsies , gays, lesbians, Aussie Aborigines,…. rich white guys…
OK – scratch the last one- but youknow what I mean…
[SNIP: OK, this is a bit over-the-top and you are starting to become a thread-bomber. If you wish to make a substantive comment here at WUWT, you are welcome, but quit trying to promote your site. -REP]
“98% of all climate scientists are right. (And what are the odds of that happening)”
I see he has upped the percentage, and confined it to “Climate Scientists”…so let’s see. That’s about ten or so, or maybe twelve if you add folksy oddballs like Norgaard & Suzuki. So he’s dealing with a fraction of a person somewhere…..
…the language and typo content of this piece are brimming with shrill anger and factual error; did anyone from Forbes even proofread it? Holy Cow!
This is what crazy people do:
I place the greens smack dab in the middle of this loony crowd.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Burning_Man_aerial.jpg
This is an image of a pagan immolation of an effigy of man. Look at how many 21st century people are in attendance! Real people, in this day and age, are participating in such witchy activity, in my view, practicing for and preparing themselves to be, putting living people in the inferno….as a sacrifice to the green god.
Sounds extreme? I think the burning man green language from Steve Zwick in Forbes is extreme. And he claims to be rational?
People…. the whole AGW Al Gore pagan green religion is invested in this and they will not be satisfied until human blood is spilled in the name of their god. If you doubt that, what makes these green god people any different that the pagans of old. They have clearly walked away from reason and abandoned science for politics and mob rule.
Just read Zwick… he is trying to incite violence.
Rich A. says:
April 19, 2012 at 5:22 pm
“I guess I am too old at 65 as I was taught about CO2 in grade school… maybe I have not partied enough, but I still recall that CO2 is not evil BUT is actually required for life.
Mr. Zwick, If we get behind all of the anti-CO2 crowd (shrinking), we will ultimately kill off all living things.
Including you, and all your friends, everyone… no food – no life, very simple. ”
No RIch you have it all wrong, it’s all part the grand scheme you see. After the first couple million deaths from starvation, or the looting and rioting that will take place they will finally be able to start mass prodcuing soylent green, after we all now…… It’s People!!!!
/sarc
[SNIP: Please, no baiting. -REP]
I’ve been at Forbes for awhile, and Steve would rarely receive much traffic, because he’s basically a science illiterate and buffoon.
But now with the WUWT publicity, he has some 12 pages of comments. Steve is the equivalent of a radio “shock jock”. While his statements are outrageous, and downright scary, I think in the long run it is better to ignore him. Nothing we say will change his mind. And the more “traffic” he receives at Forbes, the better for him. I’m sure he loves all the attention he is receiving.
But the famines have already come and many have already connected the dots.
Only its Zwick and his ilk that have caused the appearance of those famines by driving up the food prices because of their blind hatred of petroleum.
@Anthony Watts
Anthony, c’mon don’t be a coward. Reporting the author is the tactics I would expect at Gambino’s Closed Mind, Skeptical Science or Desmock the Frock. I say bring it on! It’s personal now and Michael Mann and co started it. I say insult them and denigrate them. Being a denier is anti-science? Pfft. Believing in the magical 300% positive feedback is antiscience.
We have all of the ammunition we need. For crying out loud, when Hansen gave the 1988 testimony, they opened with windows and turned the a/c off. None of them have anything to say about this point.
To me it appears James Hansen is professionally responsible for some fundamental ideas that instigate the hatemongering of people like Mr. Zwick. Hansen, as head of NASA’s GISS, has promoted consistently in public the idea his critics have committed radical immoral actions (against mankind) by their open critical discourse on Hansen’s version of climate science; where Hansen’s version of climate science is consistent with the ideologically/politically motivated CAGW science that is the basis of the problematic IPCC. Hansen has implied a sanction for physical punishment on critics of his science by his explicit public statements that those critics made (by their criticism) profound and radical immoral acts against all mankind. The Zwicks of the world have used Hansen’s ideas of the profound moral guilt of CAGW climate science critics as a basis to clearly and openly advocate violence against such critics. Zwick is just being a faithful Hansen indoctrinated minion.
I suggest more discussion about whether the disturbing ideas of James Hansen (head of NASA’s GISS), which attribute profoundly radical immoral acts to his critics, are the ideas that form the fundamental basis of the violent ideas being shouted by Zwick (and those like him).
John
@James Baldwin Bull. “Is it a requirement that these people all have similar hair and beard styles…”
James, you’ve hit on something that is bigger than meets the eye. Take the geek Gleick and over-emotive Zwick. The superficial outward similarity of appearance is weird, they certainly are conformists to some sort of unkempt “eccentric leftist intellectual” standard. They make a big huff about how they strive to lead the “simple” life, just as the hippies and econuts have dreamed of for decades.
Obama’s Science Czar John Holdren, as far back as 1973, expressed the rational front for the dream of these eccentric “simple life leftists” that dominate the Chicken Little Brigade. Holdren wrote that we need to create “a low consumption economy… with an equitable distribution of wealth.” There’s something a bit sterile about this dim vision. Yet, there is in fact, though infrequently expressed, a passion behind … it all. As Stewart Brand of the Whole Earth Catalogue put it, “We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster… to bomb us into the stone age, where we might live like [American] Indians, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion.”
Eccentric bearded intellectual neurotic leftist nuts, not dedicated impartial non-partisan scientists.
They have a bizarre dream, and 83% CO2 cuts by 2050 as passed in U.S. House in 2009 was meant to bring that dream to fruition. They’ll stop at nothing, even burning our houses down, to see their dream of the simple life imposed on everyone else.
Of course, it wouldn’t be a “nice simple life” as the over-intellectual leftists freaks envision. No, wholesale cuts in economic production as dictated by the radical draconian cap & trades schemes would be a precursor to societal collapse on an apocalyptic scale. I’ll spare you the details this time. But feel free to imagine it.
Ulrich Elkmann says:
April 20, 2012 at 8:48 am
Gunga Din says, April 19, 2012 at 2:51 pm
…this SciFi story of Catastrophic Man Made Global Warming …
Definitions, please. It’s SF when both the authors and the readers/viewers know that there are no Little Green Men on Mars and no timelords doctoring the TARDIS. Then you get Asimov and Heinlein. It’s snake oil showtime when they pretend that the ETs are really bending your spoons; then you get Uri Geller and Erich von Daniken. And when the authors have to believe in the charade (or at the least pretend to believe), you get things like communism. Or AGW.
OK. You’ve expanded upon my analogy but point well taken. Looks like the last catagory you mentioned is what we’re really up against.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/04/20/tab-for-uns-rio-summit-trillions-per-year-in-taxes-transfers-and-price-hikes/?test=latestnews
PS You mean there really arn’t little green men on Mars?! Next you’ll be telling me Who isn’t really a Doctor!