The Skeptics Case

Who Are You Going To Believe – The Government Climate Scientists or The Data?

By Dr David M.W. Evans (republished here with permission, PDF link below)

We check the main predictions of the climate models against the best and latest data. Fortunately the climate models got all their major predictions wrong. Why? Every serious skeptical scientist has been consistently saying essentially the same thing for over 20 years, yet most people have never heard the message – here it is, put simply enough for any lay reader willing to pay attention.

What the Government Climate Scientists Say

Figure 1: The climate models. If the CO2 level doubles (as it is on course to do by about 2070 to 2100), the climate models estimate the temperature increase due to that extra CO2 will be about 1.1°C × 3 = 3.3°C.i

The direct effect of CO2 is well-established physics, based on laboratory results, and known for over a century.ii

Feedbacks are due to the ways the Earth reacts to the direct warming effect of the CO2. The threefold amplification by feedbacks is based on the assumption, or guess, made around 1980, that more warming due to CO2 will cause more evaporation from the oceans and that this extra water vapor will in turn lead to even more heat trapping because water vapor is the main greenhouse gas. And extra heat will cause even more evaporation, and so on. This amplification is built into all the climate models.iii The amount of amplification is estimated by assuming that nearly all the industrial-age warming is due to our CO2.

The government climate scientists and the media often tell us about the direct effect of the CO2, but rarely admit that two thirds of their projected temperature increases are due to amplification by feedbacks.

What the Skeptics Say 

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Figure 2: The skeptic’s view. If the CO2 level doubles, skeptics estimates that the temperature increase due to that extra CO2 will be about 1.1°C × 0.5 ≈ 0.6°C.iv

The serious skeptical scientists have always agreed with the government climate scientists about the direct effect of CO2. The argument is entirely about the feedbacks.

The feedbacks dampen or reduce the direct effect of the extra CO2, cutting it roughly in half.v The main feedbacks involve evaporation, water vapor, and clouds. In particular, water vapor condenses into clouds, so extra water vapor due to the direct warming effect of extra CO2 will cause extra clouds, which reflect sunlight back out to space and cool the earth, thereby reducing the overall warming.

There are literally thousands of feedbacks, each of which either reinforces or opposes the direct warming effect of the extra CO2. Almost every long-lived system is governed by net feedback that dampens its response to a perturbation. If a system instead reacts to a perturbation by amplifying it, the system is likely to reach a tipping point and become unstable (like the electronic squeal that erupts when a microphone gets too close to its speakers). The earth’s climate is long-lived and stable— it has never gone into runaway greenhouse, unlike Venus — which strongly suggests that the feedbacks dampen temperature perturbations such as that from extra CO2.

What the Data Says

The climate models have been essentially the same for 30 years now, maintaining roughly the same sensitivity to extra CO2even while they got more detailed with more computer power.

  • How well have the climate models predicted the temperature?
  • Does the data better support the climate models or the skeptic’s view?

Air Temperatures

One of the earliest and most important predictions was presented to the US Congress in 1988 by Dr James Hansen, the “father of global warming”:

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Figure 3: Hansen’s predictionsvi to the US Congress in 1988, compared to the subsequent temperatures as measured by NASA satellitesvii.

Hansen’s climate model clearly exaggerated future temperature rises.

In particular, his climate model predicted that if human CO2 emissions were cut back drastically starting in 1988, such that by year 2000 the CO2 level was not rising at all, we would get his scenario C. But in reality the temperature did not even rise this much, even though our CO2 emissions strongly increased – which suggests that the climate models greatly overestimate the effect of CO2 emissions.

A more considered prediction by the climate models was made in 1990 in the IPCC’s First Assessment Report:viii

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Figure 4: Predictions of the IPCC’s First Assessment Report in 1990, compared to the subsequent temperatures as measured by NASA satellites.

It’s 20 years now, and the average rate of increase in reality is below the lowest trend in the range predicted by the IPCC.

Ocean Temperatures

The oceans hold the vast bulk of the heat in the climate system. We’ve only been measuring ocean temperature properly since mid-2003, when the Argo system became operational.ix,x In Argo, a buoy duck dives down to a depth of 2,000 meters, measures temperatures as it very slowly ascends, then radios the results back to headquarters via satellite. Over three thousand Argo buoys constantly patrol all the oceans of the world.

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Figure 5: Climate model predictionsxi of ocean temperature, versus the measurements by Argoxii. The unit of the vertical axis is 1022 Joules (about 0.01°C).

The ocean temperature has been basically flat since we started measuring it properly, and not warming as quickly as the climate models predict.

Atmospheric Hotspot

The climate models predict a particular pattern of atmospheric warming during periods of global warming; the most prominent change they predict is a warming in the tropics about 10 km up, the “hotspot”.

The hotspot is the sign of the amplification in their theory (see Figure 1). The theory says the hotspot is caused by extra evaporation, and by extra water vapor pushing the warmer wetter lower troposphere up into volume previously occupied by cool dry air. The presence of a hotspot would indicate amplification is occurring, and vice versa.

We have been measuring atmospheric temperatures with weather balloons since the 1960s. Millions of weather balloons have built up a good picture of atmospheric temperatures over the last few decades, including the warming period from the late 70’s to the late 90’s. This important and pivotal data was not released publicly by the climate establishment until 2006, and then in an obscure place.xiii Here it is:

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Figure 6: On the left is the data collected by millions of weather balloons.xiv On the right is what the climate models say was happening.xv The theory (as per the climate models) is incompatible with the observations. In both diagrams the horizontal axis shows latitude, and the right vertical axis shows height in kilometers.

In reality there was no hotspot, not even a small one. So in reality there is no amplification – the amplification shown in Figure 1 does not exist.xvi

Outgoing Radiation

The climate models predict that when the surface of the earth warms, less heat is radiated from the earth into space (on a weekly or monthly time scale). This is because, according to the theory, the warmer surface causes more evaporation and thus there is more heat-trapping water vapor. This is the heat-trapping mechanism that is responsible for the assumed amplification in Figure 1.

Satellites have been measuring the radiation emitted from the earth for the last two decades. A major study has linked the changes in temperature on the earth’s surface with the changes in the outgoing radiation. Here are the results:

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Figure 7: Outgoing radiation from earth (vertical axis) against sea surface temperature (horizontal), as measured by the ERBE satellites (upper left graph) and as “predicted” by 11 climate models (the other graphs).xvii Notice that the slope of the graphs for the climate models are opposite to the slope of the graph for the observed data.

This shows that in reality the earth gives off more heat when its surface is warmer. This is the opposite of what the climate models predict. This shows that the climate models trap heat too aggressively, and that their assumed amplification shown in Figure 1 does not exist.

Conclusions

All the data here is impeccably sourced—satellites, Argo, and weather balloons.xviii

The air and ocean temperature data shows that the climate models overestimate temperature rises. The climate establishment suggest that cooling due to undetected aerosols might be responsible for the failure of the models to date, but this excuse is wearing thin—it continues not to warm as much as they said it would, or in the way they said it would. On the other hand, the rise in air temperature has been greater than the skeptics say could be due to CO2. The skeptic’s excuse is that the rise is mainly due to other forces – and they point out that the world has been in a fairly steady warming trend of 0.5°C per century since 1680 (with alternating ~30 year periods of warming and mild cooling) where as the vast bulk of all human CO2 emissions have been after 1945.

We’ve checked all the main predictions of the climate models against the best data:

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The climate models get them all wrong. The missing hotspot and outgoing radiation data both, independently, prove that the amplification in the climate models is not present. Without the amplification, the climate model temperature predictions would be cut by at least two thirds, which would explain why they overestimated the recent air and ocean temperature increases.

Therefore:

  1. The climate models are fundamentally flawed. Their assumed threefold amplification by feedbacks does not in fact exist.
  2. The climate models overestimate temperature rises due to CO2 by at least a factor of three.

The skeptical view is compatible with the data.

Some Political Points

The data presented here is impeccably sourced, very relevant, publicly available, and from our best instruments. Yet it never appears in the mainstream media – have you ever seen anything like any of the figures here in the mainstream media? That alone tells you that the “debate” is about politics and power, and not about science or truth.

This is an unusual political issue, because there is a right and a wrong answer and everyone will know which it is eventually. People are going ahead and emitting CO2 anyway, so we are doing the experiment: either the world heats up by several degrees by 2050, or it doesn’t.

Notice that the skeptics agree with the government climate scientists about the direct effect of CO2; they just disagree just about the feedbacks. The climate debate is all about the feedbacks; everything else is merely a sideshow. Yet hardly anyone knows that. The government climate scientists and the mainstream media have framed the debate in terms of the direct effect of CO2 and sideshows such as arctic ice, bad weather, or psychology. They almost never mention the feedbacks. Why is that? Who has the power to make that happen?

About the Author

Dr David M.W. Evans consulted full-time for the Australian Greenhouse Office (now the Department of Climate Change) from 1999 to 2005, and part-time 2008 to 2010, modeling Australia’s carbon in plants, debris, mulch, soils, and forestry and agricultural products. Evans is a mathematician and engineer, with six university degrees including a PhD from Stanford University in electrical engineering. The area of human endeavor with the most experience and sophistication in dealing with feedbacks and analyzing complex systems is electrical engineering, and the most crucial and disputed aspects of understanding the climate system are the feedbacks. The evidence supporting the idea that CO2 emissions were the main cause of global warming reversed itself from 1998 to 2006, causing Evans to move from being a warmist to a skeptic.

Inquiries to david.evans@sciencespeak.com.

Republished on www.wattsupwiththat.com

This document is also available as a PDF file here: TheSkepticsCase

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References

i More generally, if the CO2 level is x (in parts per million) then the climate models estimate the temperature increase due to the extra CO2 over the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm as 4.33 ln(x / 280). For example, this model attributes a temperature rise of 4.33 ln(392/280) = 1.46°C to the increase from pre-industrial to the current CO2 level of 392 ppm.

ii The direct effect of CO2 is the same for each doubling of the CO2 level (that is, logarithmic). Calculations of the increased surface temperature due to of a doubling of the CO2 level vary from 1.0°C to 1.2°C. In this document we use the midpoint value 1.1°C; which value you use does not affect the arguments made here.

iii The IPCC, in their last Assessment Report in 2007, project a temperature increase for a doubling of CO2 (called the climate sensitivity) in the range 2.0°C to 4.5°C. The central point of their model estimates is 3.3°C, which is 3.0 times the direct CO2 effect of 1.1°C, so we simply say their amplification is threefold. To be more precise, each climate model has a slightly different effective amplification, but they are generally around 3.0.

iv More generally, if the CO2 level is x (in parts per million) then skeptics estimate the temperature increase due to the extra CO2 over the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm as 0.72 ln(x / 280). For example, skeptics attribute a temperature rise of 0.72 ln(392/280) = 0.24°C to the increase from pre-industrial to the current CO2 level of 392 ppm.

v The effect of feedbacks is hard to pin down with empirical evidence because there are more forces affecting the temperature than just changes in CO2 level, but seems to be multiplication by something between 0.25 and 0.9. We have used 0.5 here for simplicity.

vi Hansen’s predictions were made in Hansen et al, Journal of Geophysical Research, Vol 93 No D8 (20 Aug 1988) Fig 3a Page 9347: pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/1988/1988_Hansen_etal.pdf. In the graph here, Hansen’s three scenarios are graphed to start from the same point in mid-1987 – we are only interested in changes (anomalies).

vii The earth’s temperature shown here is as measured by the NASA satellites that have been measuring the earth’s temperature since 1979, managed at the University of Alabama Hunstville (UAH). Satellites measure the temperature 24/7 over broad swathes of land and ocean, across the whole world except the poles. While satellites had some initial calibration problems, those have long since been fully fixed to everyone’s satisfaction. Satellites are mankind’s most reliable, extensive, and unbiased method for measuring the earth’s air temperature temperatures since 1979. This is an impeccable source of data, and you can download the data yourself from vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt (save it as .txt file then open it in Microsoft Excel; the numbers in the “Globe” column are the changes in MSU Global Monthly Mean Lower Troposphere Temperatures in °C).

viii IPCC First Assessment Report, 1990, page xxii (www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/far/wg_I/ipcc_far_wg_I_full_report.pdf) in the Policymakers Summary, Figure 8 and surrounding text, for the business-as-usual scenario (which is what in fact occurred, there being no significant controls or decrease in the rate of increase of emissions to date). “Under the IPCC Business-as-Usual (Scenario A) emissions of greenhouse gases, the average rate of increase of global mean temperature during the next century is estimated to be about 0.3°C per decade (with an uncertainty range of 0.2°C to 0.5°C).”

ix http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/marine/observations/gathering_data/argo.html

x Ocean temperature measurements before Argo are nearly worthless. Before Argo, ocean temperature was measured with buckets or with bathythermographs (XBTs) — which are expendable probes lowered into the water, transmitting temperature and pressure data back along a pair of thin wires. Nearly all measurements were from ships along the main commercial shipping lanes, so geographical coverage of the world’s oceans was poor—for example the huge southern oceans were not monitored. XBTs do not go as deep as Argo floats, and their data is much less precise and much less accurate (for one thing, they move too quickly through the water to come to thermal equilibrium with the water they are trying to measure).

xi The climate models project ocean heat content increasing at about 0.7 × 10^22 Joules per year. See Hansen et al, 2005: Earth’s energy imbalance: Confirmation and implications. Science, 308, 1431-1435, page 1432 (pubs.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/abstract.cgi?id=ha00110y), where the increase in ocean heat content per square meter of surface, in the upper 750m, according to typical models, is 6.0 Watt·year/m2 per year, which converts to 0.7 × 10^22 Joules per year for the entire ocean as explained at bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2011/06/14/giss-ohc-model-trends-one-question-answered-another-uncovered/.

xii The ocean heat content down to 700m as measured by Argo is now available; you can download it from ftp://ftp.nodc.noaa.gov/pub/data.nodc/woa/DATA_ANALYSIS/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/DATA/basin/3month/ohc_levitus_climdash_seasonal.csv. The numbers are the changes in average heat for the three months, in units of 10^22 Joules, seasonally adjusted. The Argo system started in mid-2003, so we started the data at 2003-6.

xiii The weather balloon data showing the atmospheric warming pattern was finally released in 2006, in the US Climate Change Science Program, 2006, part E of Figure 5.7, on page 116 (www.climatescience.gov/Library/sap/sap1-1/finalreport/sap1-1-final-chap5.pdf).

There is no other data for this period, and we cannot collect more data on atmospheric warming during global warming until global warming resumes. This is the only data there is. Btw, isn’t this an obscure place to release such important and pivotal data – you don’t suppose they are trying to hide something, do you?

xiv See previous endnote.

xv Any climate model, for example, IPCC Assessment Report 4, 2007, Chapter 9, page 675, which is also on the web at http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch9s9-2-2.html (Figure 9.1 parts c and f). There was little warming 1959 – 1977, so the commonly available 1959 – 1999 simulations work as well.

xvi So the multiplier in the second box in Figures 1 and 2 is at most 1.0.

xvii Lindzen and Choi 2009, Geophysical Research Letters Vol. 36: http://www.drroyspencer.com/Lindzen-and-Choi-GRL-2009.pdf. The paper was corrected after some criticism, coming to essentially the same result again in 2011: www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/236-Lindzen-Choi-2011.pdf.

xviii In particular, we have not quoted results from land thermometers, or from sparse sampling by buckets and XBT’s at sea. Land thermometers are notoriously susceptible to localized effects – see Is the Western Climate Establishment Corrupt? by the same author: jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/corruption/climate-corruption.pdf.

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February 26, 2012 11:53 pm

Alan
Thanks for that link but it opens questions. Heat can only flow from higher temperature to a lower temperature, basic thermodynamics. Since any part of the Earth absorbing body that points at the sun cannot by definition radiate toward the sun, the Earth averaged emitter model fails. On the other paw, when the Earth radiates toward space on the night side, the temperature differential is several hundred degrees K as the planet radiates toward the 4 degree K universal background. Thus this model that is used cannot work in the manner stated from basic thermodynamic relations.

David
February 26, 2012 11:55 pm

LazyTeenager says:
February 26, 2012 at 10:11 pm
From another source Lazy quotes “A”The climate models predict that when the surface of the earth warms, less heat is radiated from the earth into space (on a weekly or monthly time scale).
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Lazy responds…”I would not have thought so. The amount of heat emitted should match the amount of heat absorbed apart from heat that is being transiently absorbed or released from, most importantly, the oceans.
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Lazy, is “A” not refering to GHGs increasing, unbalancing an equalibrium, further warming the surface and the energy not balancing until the new equalibrium is reached.
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Lazy cont…
“As far as I am aware the satellites don’t have enough measurement accuracy to pin down the difference properly and therefore are unable to reliably distinguish transient changes.
David’s graphs look suspiciously like overly positive conclusions being drawn in the face of to much signal noise.”
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Well, the satellites along with the radioscone and the surface T used to move pretty close together so I dont think one can claim the satellites are anything but consistent.
As far as TOA measurements, if it is adequat for the warmist missing heat, it is adequat here as well. BTW concerning Joel Shore’s assertion of warming in the troposphere, yes there is some with the metric he supplies, however, using IPCC projections on the exact tropical troposphere within the IPCC, the observations are 1/2 to 1/4 of what the IPCC predicts, so yes Joel, some warming, but a failed prediction.

February 27, 2012 12:02 am

George E. Smith; says: February 26, 2012 at 7:16 pm
There is data, that I would like to point to.
The well publicised Mauna Loa CO2 data from 1957/8 to the present; perhaps the only authoritative CO2 data (OBSERVED).
I’ve looked at that plot so often, I think I could just about draw it free hand. There are two characteristics of that plot, that are incontrovertible (a) , There is an annual roughly saw tooth cycle of about 6 ppm CO2 abundance, rising over about 7 months, and falling in just 5 months.
(b) , Since 1957/8, I believe it is true to say, that the annual CO2 maximum ( and also the annual CO2 minimum) , has NEVER EVER gone down from 1957 to 2012. The trend has ALWAYS been UPWARD. I believe there is no exception to this rule.
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Hello George,
Regarding our point b):
Despite the huge quantities of manmade CO2 emissions, atmospheric CO2 did decrease year-over-year in some of the global cooling years from 1959-1974*.
My question:
Has this not happened recently because of increased humanmade CO2 emissions, or because the world has, until recently, been getting warmer?
Regards, Allan
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Annualized Mauna Loa dCO2/dt has “gone negative” a few times in the past (calculating dCO2/dt from monthly data, by taking CO2MonthX (year n+1) minus CO2MonthX (year n) to minimize the seasonal CO2 “sawtooth”.)
These 12-month periods when CO2 decreased are (Year and Month ending in):
1959-8
1963-9
1964-5
1965-1
1965-5
1965-6
1971-4
1974-6
1974-8
1974-9
Modern CO2 data collection at Mauna Loa started in ~1958.

Julian Braggins
February 27, 2012 12:48 am

Nick Stokes says:
February 26, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DirkH says: February 26, 2012 at 12:57 pm
“But wasn’t the prediction that the troposphere should heat up faster than the surface?”
Not the lower troposphere. But in any case, why not simply measure his prediction against what he was actually predicting?
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A search for “giss temperature records hansen connection” would give many reasons why Dr Evans may not have chosen GISS Surface Temps.

February 27, 2012 1:29 am

Good summary, thank you, apart from treatment of the ‘hotspot’. I follow Richard Lindzen in considering that the absence of the hotspot in the tropical upper troposphere means that there’s a problem with the data, most likely because the surface temperature is being overestimated:

For warming since 1979, there is a further problem. The dominant role of cumulus convection in the tropics requires that temperature approximately follow what is called a moist adiabatic profile. This requires that warming in the tropical upper troposphere be 2-3 times greater than at the surface. Indeed, all models do show this, but the data doesn’t and this means that something is wrong with the data. It is well known that above about 2 km altitude, the tropical temperatures are pretty homogeneous in the horizontal so that sampling is not a problem. Below two km (roughly the height of what is referred to as the trade wind inversion), there is much more horizontal variability, and, therefore, there is a profound sampling problem. Under the circumstances, it is reasonable to conclude that the problem resides in the surface data, and that the actual trend at the surface is about 60% too large.

That’s from WUWT on 17th January 2011. I realise that many sceptics, including Jo Nova in her own introduction for the outsider, have argued the way David Evans does here but I think Lindzen’s approach is the more credible. Lindzen agrees with Evans and other sceptics that climate sensitivity is low. But I think it’s important to realise that he thinks the absence of a hotspot in the data is as much a problem for us as high sensitivity advocates.

February 27, 2012 1:33 am

R Gates said;
Even though the troposphere is an excellent way to see warming in the Earth’s system over a long-term basis (many decades) because of its low thermal inertia and poor energy retention, it is not so good over shorter-periods, as natural variability will often dominate, and any longer-term signal (such as from anthropogenic CO2) can often get lost in the short-term noise.

Nonsense.
The troposphere’s low thermal inertia and poor energy retention is precisely the reason it must respond to short term changes in forcings. Assuming the Forcings Model is correct, and you argue it is, a priori.
The noise argument annoys me. Noise is unwanted signal. What is this claimed noise?
The only possible source of significant noise (if the Forcings Model is correct) is the oceans.
So where is the evidence that the oceans are accumulating heat consistent with the lack of tropospheric warming over the last decade?
Answer: The oceans aren’t accumulating heat at an increasing rate. They show the same flatlining of temperatures as the troposphere – Argo down to 2,000 meters.
Which is where the deep oceans warming nonsense comes in.
So, magically around 2000 sunlight entering the oceans rather than going up into the atmosphere and from there to space, suddenly goes in the opposite direction down into the deep oceans.
If you put that in a movie, the audience would laugh out loud its so ridiculous.
I’ll spare you a lecture on how this is typical of failing scientific theories. Read Kuhn.

Jimbo
February 27, 2012 1:53 am

The alarmists’ predictions compared to observations is quite frankly embarrassing. Below is Dr. Roy Spencer on clouds which seems to be the key to the whole debate.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/04/clouds-cool-the-climate-system%E2%80%A6but-amplify-global-warming/
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2011/09/a-primer-on-our-claim-that-clouds-cause-temperature-change/
Does anyone know what happened when Co2 levels in the atmosphere was far higher than today?

Mac
February 27, 2012 1:59 am

It is cAGW v rAGW
Catastrophic man-made climate change (cAGW) versus reduced man-made climate change or realistic climate change (rAGW).
Politically correct science versus empirical science. Tricks versus sound measurements. Fakes versus sound arguements. Ideology versus the scientific method.

February 27, 2012 2:06 am

Julian Braggins says: February 27, 2012 at 12:48 am
“A search for “giss temperature records hansen connection” would give many reasons why Dr Evans may not have chosen GISS Surface Temps.”

ferd berple says: February 26, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“I predict Hansen will continue to adjust the GISS to match his predictions.”

OK, and other variants. It’s pretty paranoid. But the answer isn’t to just go and plot a quite different quantity. That’s completely useless. There are other people, not Hansen, who calculate indices – you can compare with those. And in the process see that this alleged fiddling by Hansen does not have the effect claimed.
I’ve written a post with a Javascript gadget. It shows Hansen’s original plot, and you can superimpose on it plots of any of about eleven indices, to see how they fare. There’s currently a glitch in that the picture seems to often not show initially; there is a clear button that will make it appear.

Paul Watkinson.
February 27, 2012 2:06 am

I suggest that this paper by Dr. Evans would be a good basis for Dr. David Wojick and the Heartland Institute to develop their proposed series of lectures and seminars for schools.

February 27, 2012 2:18 am

Tom_R says: February 26, 2012 at 8:29 pm
“Thank you for your response.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but basically your answer is that Hansen’s models generated random events such as volcanic eruptions which occur at different times for the different scenarios. That seems to me to confuse the issue if the idea was to compare the effect of three different CO2-generating scenarios.”

Volcanoes are bound to cause problems in any prediction. Hansen was trying to predict the time course of GMST taking account of all assessable forcings. making a guess about them is unsatisfactory, but it’s better than assuming there won’t be any.
I think the practical reason for the difference between the treatment of these things in the A and the B/C scenarios is that he had already published the Scen A results in about 1985. I think B and C were done after further thought.
Will Nitschke says: February 26, 2012 at 8:35 pm
“I’ve heard this excuse many times before… It comes down to this, other more minor trace gases didn’t make it into the atmosphere in the proportions that Hansen speculated on, therefore he cannot be blamed for getting his prediction wrong.”

No, it’s not about the predictions – it’s an explanation of the minor discrepancies that show between scenarios before 1988. There’s no reason to expect that they have any major effect.
I’ll repeat my claim – if you assess H’s prediction against the land-only indices he was using, they look pretty good. They fall lower relative to Land/Sea, but that is in the nature of those indices. Even then, the divergence is short-term – basically since 2005.

John Marshall
February 27, 2012 2:30 am

Surface evapouration needs heat. This evapourated water, carrying the latent heat of evapouration with it, will convect to higher levels of the atmosphere cooling as it goes. when the dew point is reached at height clouds form releasing the latent heat which will leach into space causing heat loss not heat gain at the surface.
We know virtually nothing about cloud and their part in climate but are willing to make wild claims about tipping points and unstoppable temperature increases wiping out all life on earth. these claims are totally alarmist and display a total lack of knowledge about our geological past.

February 27, 2012 3:01 am

Ocean Heat Content does show an increase so long as you don’t cherry pick just the first 700 meters. Data going down deeper to Argo’s 2000 meter range shows that the heat has been accumulating despite the short timeframe for which data is being collected.
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/
I think it’s deceptive of the author to talk about Argo buoys going down to 2,000 meters, then only show a graph with data to 700 meters.

Ken Harvey
February 27, 2012 3:43 am

scottd0317 says:
February 26, 2012 at 12:03 pm
“I’m not a scientist but I am a grammarian. The word “data” is the plural of “datum.” Therefore the proper usage is “the data say” not “the data says.”
I am neither one of those. but I do manage to speak English. Data is not only the plural form of datum, it is also the singular for a body of information made up of more than a very few items of data. The real life opportunities to use the word as a plural are so very rare that giving the word plural modifiers is almost always wrong. Almost every time that you see those plural modifiers on this site following the word ‘data’ they are misguided owing to the pedantry of publishers.

Ken Harvey
February 27, 2012 3:53 am

“The serious skeptical scientists have always agreed with the government climate scientists about the direct effect of CO2. The argument is entirely about the feedbacks.”
Those of us who are unable to accept that there is any direct warming effect whatever from CO2 are thus dismissed. We may be few, but we are indeed most serious.

Ken Harvey
February 27, 2012 4:05 am

On rereading my comment above my treatment of “serious skeptical scientists” could be taken as a claim by me to be a scientist and I claim no such thing. That does not prevent me from having a considered opinion as to matters scientific and I can make the claim that my opinions are all honest. In that respect I can claim with justification that my opinions are better than some. The name Glieck springs most immediately to mind and there are plenty more..

Bomber_the_Cat
February 27, 2012 4:11 am

“The direct effect of CO2 is well-established physics, based on laboratory results, and known for over a century.”
While it is quite plausible to challenge some of the unvalidated assumptions and predictions of climate models there is, nevertheless, a basic underlying science upon which all scientists agree. It is disheartening, therefore, to see so many commentors here who ‘deny’ established science.
It is necessary to distinguish between science based on empirical observation and careful experiment from that based on computer models and conjecture. The former can only be challenged from a position of ignorance – and in these columns it is.
David Evans is perfectly correct; the argument comes down ‘feedbacks’. This is the Achilles heal of the CAGW theory.
Some people ask questions of the basic science, but I doubt whether they really want answers.
Doug Cotton says:
February 26, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Can someone link me to any empirical measurement of absorptivity by the surface of radiation in the IR bands emitted by the atmosphere?
Doug, measurements are not made for visible light and then appled to IR bands. I do not know how that would be possible. You can see measurements of emissivity (which you know equals absorptivity) here for various substances.
http://scienceofdoom.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/emissivity-vs-wavelength-various-substances2.png
You say, “it is well known that absorptivity reduces very significantly for much lower temperature radiation”. You can see from the graphs that this is the opposite of the truth – so I don’t know in what circles that is well known. Moreover, you can see that snow, which has very low absoptivity/emissivity in the visible behaves almost like a blackbody in the infrared. In fact most of the Earth’s surface approximates to a blackbody in the long wave infrared.
“You’d kinda think the IPCC would have got this part sorted out before spending all that money on the models”. Yes you would – and it looks like they did.
O H Dahlsveen says:
February 26, 2012 at 6:52 pm
” How can that so called “Backradiation” warm the surface up any further?”
If you really want to know then there are plenty of articles describing this mechanism. Here are two of the best
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/17/the-steel-greenhouse/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/02/20/visualizing-the-greenhouse-effect-a-physical-analogy/
Dennis Ray Wingo says:
February 26, 2012 at 11:53 pm
“Since any part of the Earth absorbing body that points at the sun cannot by definition radiate toward the sun”.
By definition? Rubbish! How does any part of the Earth know where it is ‘pointing’? And since the Sun only subtends a very small angle in the sky when it is present, what about all the outgoing radiation from the Earth which will miss it? – can that still go out? What absolute Claes Johnson sort of nonsense is this? What about nighttime? There are lots of stars out there, all hotter than the Earth (an infinite number?). Does the outgoing radiation know that it is going to miss them?
James Ard says:
February 26, 2012 at 3:08 pm
“I had heard we were going to get conclusive ice core samples telling us whether c02 leads or lags warming. Anyone know what has come of that?”
Yes, James. ice core samples show that CO2 lags warming by about 800 years. All scientists now agree about that – except Nobel prize winner Al Gore.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vostok-ice-core-petit.png

February 27, 2012 4:22 am

Just how ridiculous the argument put forward here by Dr David Evans can be seen by the fact that the claimed rise of ~1 degC from a doubling of CO2 alone without the feedbacks has ALLREADY occurred with just about a 30% increase in CO2 over the last century.
So the claim that a doubling will NOT cause a ~3degC rise looks dubious when a 30% rise has caused a ~1degC rise.

Bill Illis
February 27, 2012 4:47 am

If you haven’t noticed, it is interesting that pro-AGW people have a really hard time accepting the fact that temperatures are not increasing the way their theory predicts. They seem to be able to consciously ignore it and/or suggest that some other data/supposition should be used to assess temperatures instead.
Now this extends to not just the pro-AGW posters here, but to almost all of the key climate scientists in the business. The ones that are in charge of the data itself. Even more interesting.
In January 2012, the mean projections of:
– Hansen is +1.025C;
– IPCC FAR business-as-usual is +0.86C;
– IPCC TAR is +0.65C; and,
– IPCC AR4 is +0.714C.
On the same baseline, GISTemp is +0.29C in January 2012, Hadcrut3 will be under +0.200C (if it is ever released) and the lower troposphere temperatures would be about +0.100C.
So, one can ignore the actual data if one chooses but it clearly indicates that the models are very wrong about something very important.

February 27, 2012 4:53 am

izen says:
“Just how ridiculous the argument put forward here by Dr David Evans can be seen by the fact that the claimed rise of ~1 degC from a doubling of CO2 alone without the feedbacks has ALLREADY occurred with just about a 30% increase in CO2 over the last century. So the claim that a doubling will NOT cause a ~3degC rise looks dubious…”
As usual, Izen is wrong. Real world observations are falsifying the 3°C per 2xCO2 belief. So who should we believe? Planet earth? Or Izen?

John Bills
February 27, 2012 5:03 am

Stokes,
from RC itself: “how well did Hansen do?”
http://www.realclimate.org/images/hansen11.jpg

NoAstronomer
February 27, 2012 5:41 am

The government climate scientists and the mainstream media have framed the debate in terms of the direct effect of CO2 and sideshows such as arctic ice, bad weather, or psychology. They almost never mention the feedbacks. Why is that?

Why? Because each group has it’s own self-interest that it is seeking to further. Each has seized onto the promotion of CAGW as a way to do that.
The national leadership wants to reduce oil imports. Less oil consumption is one way to achieve that. Environmental groups want to protect the environment. Less of everything is their way to go. The media just love a good scary story. And curiously the oil companies want us to pay more for their oil, restricting supply helps that along.
The bottom line is that virtually no-one, least of all the scientists, has a interest in questioning the story.
Mike.

David
February 27, 2012 6:00 am

Nick Stokes says,,,,”I’ll repeat my claim – if you assess H’s prediction against the land-only indices he was using, they look pretty good. They fall lower relative to Land/Sea, but that is in the nature of those indices. Even then, the divergence is short-term – basically since 2005.”
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Nope
http://www.real-science.com/giss-november-anomaly-0-48c-emissions-scenario
And this is after his adjustments to individal stations
http://www.real-science.com/new-giss-data-set-heating-arctic
Which affect large geographic areas like this…
http://www.real-science.com/hansen-time-began-1970-worm-ZERhole-2000-ended
And then Nick wants land only, using Hansens cherry picked adjustment to past historical records, and his inadequat UHI adjustment, ignoring the land only is moving further and further from the data sets. There is a REASON Hansen’s “disaster” such as Manhatten flooding is showing ZERO signs of happening. Besides the fact that, although EVEN Hansens own data set falls WELL short, the earths average T is what matters, and it is far below his “stop all emissions” senario, and even with the minor warming shown by Nick Stoke’s, talking about exactly the IPCC portion of the tropical trophsphere suppose to dramatically warm, it has only warmed by 1/2 to 1/4 of what the IPCC models say, as shown by Ross Mckitrick.
Nope alarmists, this is a good post by Mr Evans, and it shows climate disaster prediction is an utter fail. You can pick your data set, (by mendacious scientist as shown in climate gate one and two) we can pick ours, does not matter. Even in land only we are seeing at most , a little over 1C per doubling, remembering that each additional increase in CO2 has LESS WARMING affect then the preceeding one, but the BENEFITS to plant growth CONTINUE to grow with each increase in CO2, We have DISASTER prediction fail, be it how rapidly the earths average atmospheric T is rising, or how rapidly oceans are rising, CAGW is all a BIG fail, a TRILLION dollar plus fail, an EPIC FAIL. HURRICANES, TORNADOS, SEA LEVELS, AVERAGE T RISE, DROUGHTS, FLOODS ETC, NONE OF THESE are increasingly occuring like the warmist scientific literature, advocate rag journals, and Hansen type scientist predict.
It is all a big FAT FAIL, except in one area, that is the money wasting stealing scam of the politicians they are in bed with, the are good at that, they are good at STEALING MONEY, and their economic policy is the only real DISASTER, just ask Germany, no ask all of Europe, ask the person on a fixed income buying gas today in the US, paying inflated prices for every item because energy is the life blood of EVERY economy, and under the Green/red pledge, “energy prices will NECESSARILY SKYROCKET”

John Wright
February 27, 2012 6:06 am

APACHEWHOKNOWS says:
February 26, 2012 at 6:58 pm
“More, O.H. Dahlsveen. More, very good.”
I’ll second that. Would also be interested in what Alan Siddons has to say on this.

February 27, 2012 6:52 am

@- Smokey
“As usual, Izen is wrong. Real world observations are falsifying the 3°C per 2xCO2 belief. So who should we believe? Planet earth? Or Izen?”
Believe the real world.
It has warmed around 1 degC for a 30% increase in CO2.
How that ‘falsifies’ a projection of 3 degC for a doubling, 100% increase in CO2 I am not sure, perhaps you could explain….

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