Rio+20 meets Agenda 21

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Well, the rent-seekers, money-hungry NGOs, grifters, post-normal “scientists”, con-men, Eurotrash, Ameritrash, and the usual camp followers are gearing up again for another monumental waste of money. This time, it’s for the upcoming extravagarbonza, the new Rio+20 Climate Carnival.

Figure 1. The logo of the Rio+20 Climate Carnival, featuring someone being drowned in waves of green nonsense.

The meeting features the usual dangerous bafflegab, which conceals wholesale theft under layers of rhetoric like this:

Integrate the three pillars of sustainable development and promote the implementation of Agenda 21 and related outcomes, consistent with the principles of universality, democracy, transparency, cost-effectiveness and accountability, keeping in mind the Rio Principles, in particular common but differentiated responsibilities. SOURCE 

As is typical with this kind of mealy-mouthed official doublespeak, we need a translation to see who is getting fleeced, and how.

First, what are the “three pillars of sustainable development”? Turns out, no one knows. One source gives us this:

Figure 2. The “three pillars of sustainable development” … or not.

That all seems good, or at least as though it might possibly be vaguely meaningful … but another source gives us this:

Figure 3. The “three pillars of sustainable development” … or not.

In other words, it’s just feel-good bullpuckey, dressed up to look like something real. “Viable”? “Bearable”? Nonsense. This is post-normal “science” at its most pathetic. At the end of the day, nothing is sustainable, that’s just green-washing.

Next, they say that they want to “promote the implementation of Agenda 21″. Now, “Agenda 21” was what started all of this nonsense. It was adopted at the original Rio Conference in 1992, and is as dangerous now as it was then.

The danger is highlighted by the recent meeting of the UN Chief, Secretary-General Ban-ki Moon, with his UN aides brainstorming about Rio+20. They talk about “moving toward a fairer, greener, and more sustainable globalization”, a very frightening thought. They talk about strengthening the UN “to manage the process of globalization better,” another scary idea. I don’t want globalization of any kind, and if I did, I damn sure don’t want the UN involved in any way.

To return to Agenda 21, let me take up just one tiny portion of the Agenda. (In passing, I doubt that they could have invented a more Orwellian name for this plan to take over the world’s economy than “Agenda 21” … but I digress.) Here is Section 9.8.(d) of Agenda 21:

Cooperate in research to develop methodologies and identify threshold levels of atmospheric pollutants, as well as atmospheric levels of greenhouse gas concentrations, that would cause dangerous anthropogenic interference with the climate system and the environment as a whole, and the associated rates of change that would not allow ecosystems to adapt naturally;

There are several things of note about this part of Agenda 21. First, in 1992 we didn’t know (and still don’t know now) if GHGs can cause “dangerous anthropogenic interference” with the climate system or not. For that matter, we don’t know what “dangerous anthropogenic interference” is when it’s at home. But despite that, the goal was not to find out what the actual effect of GHGs might be.

Rather than figuring out if there was a danger, Agenda 21 instructed people to establish an imaginary level of “dangerous interference”.

The same is true about “rates of change”. We have no evidence that changes in climate can keep ecosystems from “adapt[ing] naturally”. Despite that, we are instructed to determine the levels that do just that, with no hint about what that might be or how to measure it.

Finally, you can see how early this was—GHGs were not listed as a “pollutant”. This is in stark distinction to the EPA’s ruling that CO2 is a pollutant … go figure.

Anyhow, that’s just a little bit of the garbage in Agenda 21. It has already caused huge problems, including the formation of the IPCC and the assumption of GHGs as the main (if not only) driver of global climate change when there is no clear evidence (even today) if that is actually the case—that’s what the debate is about.

To leave Agenda 21 and return to the first bit of translation, they say they want to rip people off “consistent with the principles of universality, democracy, transparency, cost-effectiveness and accountability”. What this means depends on the tide, the phase of the moon, and the desires of the person invoking it. Basically, it means whatever they want it to mean, unless it happens to favor development, business, or human beings, in which case it means the opposite.

Next, they pledge allegiance to the “Rio Principles“. The “Rio Principles” were an unprincipled declaration of how they planned to achieve their global redistribution of wealth. Among the un-principles are the “Precautionary Principle“, along with the usual feel-good clauses and paragraphs about how they planned to spend the money.

Finally, in a wonderful understatement, they back the idea of “common but differentiated responsibilities.” This is UN-speak at its finest. The “differentiated responsibilities” part means “the poorest in the rich countries have the responsibility of providing the money to pay to the richest in the poor countries, whose responsibility is to spend it on Mercedes sedans for Government Ministers.” Seriously. That’s what “common but differentiated responsibilities” means, except the part about the Mercedes, I added that because it’s the inevitable outcome.

So yes, no surprise, they have learned absolutely nothing in the last 20 years. How could they, when 20 years ago they claimed they already understood it all? They are doubling down on their stupidity, planning to restructure the global economy and have the industrialized world pay the whole tab. I mean, somebody has to line the pockets of the NGOs and the third-world despots, and who better than … you?

I’m not sure how we can fight this, but fight it we must. I see they are planning to use “social media” to try to whip up the faithful, so we can expect lots of that, fluff on Facebook and the like. In any case, Rio+20 is the usual, and still very dangerous, conflux of the useful idiots, greedy activists, pimps, prostitutes, and pseudo-scientists who have caused so much damage in the past.

Head them off at the pass, harass their flanks, destroy their supply-wagons, cut them off from their water supply, I don’t know what … but this madness has to stop. You cannot redistribute your way to wealth, and as Margaret Thatcher is rumored to have remarked, “The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.”

A word to the wise … it’s your money that they are planning to run out of, in the process of propping up some of the planet’s most despotic regimes in the name of “combatting climate change” …

Regards to all, keep fighting the good fight,

w.

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Severian

Thatcher also said something interesting that’s applicable to all this, in response to a statement from someone allegedly concerned about income inequality, or gap. The left doesn’t care if the poor get poorer as long as the rich get less rich. Another excellent observation.
The more I see the more I realize that Orwell was A raging optimist.

The future we don’t want, indeed.
Very well written, Willis.
RTF

Alex

Eurotrash? Please clean up your rants a bit next time, nobody likes the un or the eu except those who get their money from them but there is no need to call people eurotrash.
[Reply: Corrected to add “Ameritrash”. It refers to a totalitarian subset, not to the entire population of either the EU or the U.S. ~dbs, mod.]

It is interesting how the tidal wave engulfing the person has a green leaf for a crest.
RTF

MC

Let’s not “Sugar Coat” Willis. No need to go soft on these idiots.
Seriously, somebody needs to find a way for you to get on TV. I believe you could do more over the course of a few weeks invited on several networks to deflate what the greens are doing than anyone I know.
Here’s to hoping that happens!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Agenda 21 is the Governments + UN, multilaterals + NGOs version of Kyoto Protocol (mainly governments), more climate rent-seeking and robbery.

John A

I question very much whether in this age of austerity, anyone will be paying any notice (let alone any money) to this wonderland of financial largesse dispensed by the wise and highly qualified to us mere mortals.
In the absence of any actual climate crisis, any manufactured crisis involving low levels of Toxin X and trace amounts of Contaminant Y will produce an Outline for Action Z involving more taxes misappropriated from real needs of poor people to alleviate the anxieties of the middle-classes will do.

Run! It’s a veritable tsunami of stupid.
RTF

John West

Willis Eschenbach for President!
Whether you “want globalization of any kind” or not is irrelevant; it’s an unstoppable force (you will be assimilated). The challenge is to inspire a reverence for individual rights and freedoms globally instead of those ideals being crushed here and universally around the world under the weight of “collective rights” at the expense of the individual.

the word “eurotrash” is 100% right. Most of the Greenery has central European origins, form the late 80’s and early 90’s. The original Rio show was EU organized, along EU ideology, and an EU masterplan. Where “EU” of course is a euphemism for Central EU. If you look at the organizational chart of most Green NGO’s you will find Central Europe control (even though some names are English… all you have to do is look at their CV’s)
There has been initial early support form the US and the UK for Rio-1993, but each for transient political reasons.

Johnnythelowery

Hot on the heels of Gleick’s Flake-Gate comes the RIo +20. The carnival of the cretins continues. I’m worried about a scarcity of pop-corn! Good stuff. Keep an eye on the proceedings.

Curiousgeorge
Curiousgeorge

Read what Lisa Jackson (US EPA head) said about it :
Partial Excerpt
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Rio +2.0 in Palo Alto: EPA Chief Lisa Jackson Discusses Initiatives that Expand US Environmental Business Markets, Create Jobs and Build Healthier Cities
Release Date: 02/03/2012
Contact Information: Mary Simm, simms.mary@epa.gov
Thank you all so much for joining us here today. It is a pleasure to have the opportunity to help kick off this important conference. The people in this room – and the people we work with who are involved in this effort – come from many different countries, many different professions, and many different perspectives. But we are all united by our desire to improve the world we live in – and not only the world we live in, but the world our children and grandchildren will live in as well. That is what brings us together.
The challenge ahead of us is unlike anything we have faced before – as individual nations or as one planet. For the first time in human history, we are beginning to see that everyday activities – the things we buy, the way we keep the lights on, the ways we travel –have an impact on the health of our entire planet. For the first time in human history, more people are living in cities and urban areas than are living in rural areas. And over the next 30 years, most of the anticipated population growth is expected to happen in our cities. And for the first time in human history, we have in our sights the possibility of fostering a truly global middle class, with billions of people enjoying a quality of life and opportunity their parents and grandparents never knew.
As a result of all this, the years ahead will stretch the limits of our energy, our water and our food supplies. We will require not just new power and water sources, but also the infrastructure to deliver reliable energy and clean water to billions more people. We will need affordable housing and adequate transportation for people and products, as well as systems to address concentrated urban waste and pollution in the air and water. And last but certainly not least, it will be essential to generate economic opportunities that ensure widespread global prosperity.
http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/082D936CAD94347185257999005E8F9D

pat

These “sustainable living” advocates are just useless. Idiots with pretensions of knowledge. What they really want is your plastic bags (an especially loathsome thing to these idiots) and for your life to be as uncomfortable as possible while theirs mysteriously betters at public expense. Fortunately every city and town in America seems infested with some grifters, always husband and wife, that show up at every city council meeting browbeating the politicians into agena compliance.

Pillars? you call them pillars? They look like ellipses to me. I’ll drop a note to Josh, we need a Mad magazine Poiuyt (hey, I remember how to spell it!), otherwise known as the tree pronged blivet. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blivet
[Ellipses provided: . .. … …. ….. …… Robt]

In 1976, as a young man of 24, I attended the World Symposium on Humanity in Vancouver, BC. The keynote speaker was none other than respected futurist Buckminster Fuller. In his address he said he had walked around the symposium for 3 days, listening to people say something to the effect “we have to tear the system down man,” (something I continue to hear 32 years later from well meaning leftists/warmists/globalists everywhere). He sadly shook his head and instructed the audience (and I paraphrase), “The key is not to tear the top down, but, to reach down and pull the bottom up.” In other words, pull everyone out of poverty, despair, filth, homelessness, hunger, thirst, and elevate their standard of living. If you want to help the world, become successful and make a difference. You could have heard a pin drop in the auditorium. He had just smacked a lot of the attendees in the back of their consciousness. I started the applause.
Bucky’s simple “revelation”, above all other points in speeches I have heard over the course of my lifetime, has stuck with me, and I quote it often.
Now, listening to the self-indulgent Agenda 21-ists who have moved into my community, and who come up, nearly daily, with their hair-brained, feel-good, “sustainable” schemes, based primarily on their pessimistic, cup is empty outlook on life, and, who would hypocritically forestall development in the 3rd world to offset their own carbon based lifestyles, while ignoring the plight of those less fortunate than themselves, I think of Bucky and shake my own head. Fortunately it appears the tide (at least here) has just turned the corner in the direction of common sense.
What’s that old saying…oh right…”If you’re not a socialist by the time you’re 18 you have no heart. If you’re still a socialist by the time you’re 30 you have no brain.” Let’s hope the collective world we live in is effectively 29 at the moment and getting smarter.

DirkH

Curiousgeorge says:
February 26, 2012 at 7:58 am
“Watch to see which US politicians show up at this. Then vote accordingly. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/02/24/obama-administration-sees-rio-20-summit-in-june-as-festival-global-greenness/
from the article:
“It would not require a negotiated resolution on behalf of the U.N. community. “ It could be, say, a beverage company that promises to cut water usage over the next ten years.”
Some Russian, Polish and Finnish beverage companies already do that to my knowledge. They use biofuel as a substitute. Their products have an energy content equivalent to about 28% to 56% of the energy content of gasoline.

MangoChutney

Club of Rome / Agenda 21 / UN‏
See what you can dig up willis

mkelly

The three pillars they really meant are your land, your money, your freedom. The only way out is to remove ourselves from the UN.
There is a good write up of Agenda 21at Jun science site.

TG McCoy (Douglas DC)

EPA’s Jackson is trying to kill any industry in Clingerland and give it to the Chinese..

Kitefreak

I’ve enjoyed Willis’ writing on WUWT many times and admire his skill as a writer. In this piece he has touched on what I consider to be the issue that people need to focus on. The issue that people could focus on if they weren’t stupefied by watching sh*te on TV, reading sh*te in newspapers and believing that globalisation is good and the “trickle down” effect is real.
The politicians say: “We need to compete in a global economy”. How many times have we heard that? I would have thought that a country as large as the USA would be able to do quite well on its own – it’s a big place, internal market and all that.
The ultimate aim of globalisation is to create a global ruling elite who control the laws and money of the world, while the rest of humanity is reduced to serf/slave status.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6057734.stm (from 2006)
It’s a race to the bottom for the non-elite 21st century global populace; forget about the middle class – there won’t be one, you’ll have to live like they live in China or India, but those countries won’t be known as such by then – they’ll just be “regions”.
Willis is bang on the money with this post, IMHO.
The UN, like a deadly octopus with its IPCC, Environment Program, WHO, UNHCR, Blue Helmets, etc. tentacles, needs to be stopped. Something that was (if we believe the fable) meant to ensure world peace has turned into a monster. Actually if you research where the UN came from you’ll find MONEY behind it.
I do urge people to research the genesis of the UN and who was behind that; it’s an interesting history, at least. Also, research UN troops and the roasting of children – seriously, just websearch those terms – it’s shocking.
Defund the UN. Retain sovereignty. Say no to the UN, World Bank, IMF, EU. We can all still be friends, without a new world order.

3x2

Head them off at the pass, harass their flanks, destroy their supply-wagons, cut them off from their water supply, I don’t know what … but this madness has to stop.
Perhaps assembling lists by country of anyone enjoying the carnival at taxpayer expense. Chiefly politicians and civil servants. I’m sure they would be delighted to publicly justify whatever schemes they had signed us all up to upon their return.
(Judging from the first carnival, mandatory drug testing is probably a good idea too)

Greg, from Spokane

MC says:
February 26, 2012 at 7:33 am
Let’s not “Sugar Coat” Willis. No need to go soft on these idiots.
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Yeah, that’s Willis… Always beating around the bush. Ya never know what he really thinks. (wink)

DJ

You need only to go to 8.13 and read from there to see why this whole thing is so dangerous.
Whose laws? By what measure?
“8.13. Laws and regulations suited to country-specific conditions are among the most important instruments for transforming environment and development policies into action, not only through “command and control” methods, but also as a normative framework for economic planning and market instruments. Yet, although the volume of legal texts in this field is steadily increasing, much of the law-making in many countries seems to be ad hoc and piecemeal, or has not been endowed with the necessary institutional machinery and authority for enforcement and timely adjustment.”
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_08.shtml

3x2

pat says:
February 26, 2012 at 8:12 am
These “sustainable living” advocates are just useless. Idiots with pretensions of knowledge. […]

Far from it. I imagine much the same was said about the “pompous clowns” parading the streets of Bavarian cities once upon a time.
Should the UN ever acquire a funding source independent of national governments (oh..I don’t know .. carbon taxes) then you will quickly discover how much of a joke they really are.
Take a close look at Agenda 21 and associated material and then take a look at what is going on in your local area (councils, schools …). Trust me, they are anything but “useless. Idiots with pretensions of knowledge”.
[Formatting fixed: w.]

Johnnythelowery

I still think the Warmists are not that stupid (surely), I still think it’s dressed up Govt policy response to peak oil. In the Daily Telegraph regarding the ‘effect of rising oil prices will dwarf the Greek problem’ comes this. It seems peak oil and Wamist Agenda is a match made in heave and virtually indistinguishable.
‘…..While there’s lots of hype about tar sands and shale fuels, these new technologies often expend more energy than they create, while causing horrendous environmental and water-supply problems. Conventionally-produced crude will remain absolutely critical, and demand for it will spiral, until mankind bans the internal combustion engine, outlaws ammonium-based fertilisers, dismantles the global pharmaceutical industry and learns to live without plastic. I can’t see that happening anytime soon…

Johnnythelowery

‘………In 2001, the world consumed 76.6m barrels of oil a day. Last year, just a decade on, global oil use was a hefty 89.1m barrels daily, 16pc higher. In 2011, the world economy was sluggish, with global GDP growth of 3.8pc, down from 5.2pc the year before. Yet world oil use still rose almost 1pc in 2011, with crude averaging $111 a barrel, more than 40pc up on 2010…’

jack morrow

Lisa Jackson EPA chief
“A truly global middle class”. This middle class is not what we are familiar with, but a mindless class totally dependant on the government for it’s existence. A truly scary world.
These liberals always seem to come up with some “feel-good” plans that more often than not are poorly conceived and usually go awry. I feel helpless just watching what is happening.

As always – a well-written article from Willis Eschenbach.
Now then, climate scientist Tim Ball and journalist Alan Caruba have been sounding similar warnings for a long time i.e. the goings on in “The Club of Rome” etcetera.
Eurotrash? – I prefer to call them the “International Social Democrats” (try shortening that one in a European language, say German), who have just replaced both the Greek and the Italian prime ministers with their own men. – Scientists have been used before to speak up in favor of impossibilities i.e. the Übermench

Robert of Ottawa

Please Willis, don’t include prostitutes with that gang of thieves; they are much better than that.

The radicals are out in force, chipping and hacking away at our freedom. A main goal is to cut energy use dramatically, and thus transform society toward the leftist Eden. But they’ll start with whatever they can get, they’ll squeeze and squeeze, as dim headache inducing mercury laden lightbulbs were mandated, and now the EU has mandated cuts in vacuum power across Europe. This sucks, or it doesn’t, actually. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/7996383/Europe-to-cut-power-of-vacuum-cleaners-to-save-energy.html

Going to Rio. They aren’t so concerned about taking jet planes there, polluting the environment, when they could just sit at home and have a webinar on their computers saving the ‘carbon footprint’ from the travel.
Also, Copacabana, and Ipanema, i.e., the 5 miles of beaches in Rio with girl wearing next to nothing on them, has nothing, absolutely nothing, with the choice of venue. /sarc/
It’s ALL about saving the planet.
Can anyone else see through that besides me?

Under the umbrella of UN Agenda 21, immessurable damage has been caused to the poor of the world. Untold billions have been sucked out of economies and lined the pockets of the few. This will continue for some time but like the Euro, it is doomed to fail because it is unworkable. Look what the Euro has done to Europe in only ten years. The same fate will befall Agenda 21 for the same basic reasons. History will record this folly as some sort of mass demagoguery or even a virus.The 50 year plague was formented in Agenda 21 and rapidly spread thoughout Europe.
Only when some of those afflicted began to loose their self control, did the virus sart to loose it’s virulance but it took many years. One of the first scientists to succumb was a hydrologist called Peter Gleick.
Keep up the good work Willis, it is much appreciated by very very many.

SAMURAI

Willis– Agenda 21 is simply Robin Hood in reverse on acid on a global scale.
If you think about it, the Robin Hood of lore took money from the local government and returned it back to the citizens of the realm… Funny how the original story’s moral has been perverted to mean wealth redistribution.
Anyway, Agenda 21 was originally planned to be financed by carbon trading with Wall Street making $ billions and the UN/central governments receiving trillions to redistribute to 3rd World dictators to, as you said, buy Mercedes and better weapons to “keep the peace” (aka keep their piece).
The elimination of personal property is also an essential tenet of Agenda 21 with the state taking ownership of all wealth and basically deciding ye ol’ “from each, according to his abilities, and to each, according to his needs”.
Pretty scary stuff when looking at what happened to the last superpower that tried pulling that off…
Anyway, you’re right. AGENDA 21 is the most nefarious global scheme ever attempted. The problem is that when you try to explain to people the particulars of Agenda 21, they think you should be fitted with a straight jacket and have your tinfoil hat surgically removed…
It’s like a Catch 22. It’s so crazy, it couldn’t be true and if you take Agenda 21 seriously, you’re crazy…
That’s why Agenda 21 should be renamed Agenda 22.
Anyway, the best way to defeat Agenda 21 is to expose CAGW theory for the fraud that it is, thereby removing equally absurd carbon trading system that is essential to finance it.

John Greenfraud

Agenda 21 is a real and current threat to our national sovereignty. The UN and American progressives believe they can implement this without firing a shot. Then again, thinking through the consequences of their actions has never been their strong-suit, like the climate models, it’s just not that easy.

Jack DuBrul

Does anyone else have the feeling we’ll be hearing from FIOA just before Rio+20?

Quite simply, the United Nations has proven itself to be fundamentally useless, and in the thrall of a numeretical majority of its 192 or so rag-tag members. It needs to be shut down now, together with the failed European Union.

Wade

Willis, lets call this what this really is: Global communism with the UN and its minions as leaders. I don’t these people think they are communists, but their ideas certainly are. Redistribution of wealth is communism. The UN wants to force “sustainability”, and the only way to do that is to control business and industry. That also is communism. To control the people, those who support AGW want to suppress dissenting views, either overtly or covertly. Communism requires control of ideas too. The only thing missing is to remove religion and a global currency. I would be willing to bet the UN is working on both of those.

extravagarbonza
extravagant
garbage
ponzi
bonanza
very good willis.

Willis Eschenbach

Alex says:
February 26, 2012 at 7:26 am

Eurotrash? Please clean up your rants a bit next time, nobody likes the un or the eu except those who get their money from them but there is no need to call people eurotrash.

They’re just the European version of Ameritrash. Rather than remove the former, I’ve added the latter to the head post for balance.
w.

Willis Eschenbach

DirkH says:
February 26, 2012 at 8:16 am

… “It would not require a negotiated resolution on behalf of the U.N. community. “ It could be, say, a beverage company that promises to cut water usage over the next ten years.”

Some Russian, Polish and Finnish beverage companies already do that to my knowledge. They use biofuel as a substitute. Their products have an energy content equivalent to about 28% to 56% of the energy content of gasoline.

I’m not following this. How do you use biofuel to cut water usage? You have a citation for this?
w.

Willis Eschenbach

Robert of Ottawa says:
February 26, 2012 at 9:25 am

Please Willis, don’t include prostitutes with that gang of thieves; they are much better than that.

You are 100% correct, they are likely the only ones on the whole list who, when you give them money, actually give you something of value in return.
w.

“Some Russian, Polish and Finnish beverage companies already do that to my knowledge. They use biofuel as a substitute. Their products have an energy content equivalent to about 28% to 56% of the energy content of gasoline.
Willis asks
I’m not following this. How do you use biofuel to cut water usage? You have a citation for this?
Jim Says
I interpreted this as alcohol content.
Keep up the fine work Willis.

Kitefreak

Regarding the UN, as George Carlin said: “it’s a club – and you ain’t in it”.

Olen

Wholesale theft is putting it mildly; one definition of universality is unbound.
Their principles (universality, democracy, transparency, cost-effectiveness and accountability, keeping in mind the Rio Principles, in particular common but differentiated responsibilities)
are intended to dominate sovereign nations.
Definition of the Principle of Common but Differentiated Responsibilities in part.
Differential responsibility therefore aims to promote substantive equality between developing and developed States within a regime, rather than mere formal equality.
A particularly important aspect of the principle is international assistance, including financial aid and technology transfer.
And that is unbound theft of not only finance and technology but freedom.

View from the Solent

Willis Eschenbach says:
February 26, 2012 at 10:13 am
DirkH says:
February 26, 2012 at 8:16 am
… “It would not require a negotiated resolution on behalf of the U.N. community. “ It could be, say, a beverage company that promises to cut water usage over the next ten years.”
Some Russian, Polish and Finnish beverage companies already do that to my knowledge. They use biofuel as a substitute. Their products have an energy content equivalent to about 28% to 56% of the energy content of gasoline.
I’m not following this. How do you use biofuel to cut water usage? You have a citation for this?
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Replace water with yeast metabolites. In vodka, aquvavit, schnapps, …. 😉

Willis Eschenbach

Jimash says:
February 26, 2012 at 10:23 am (Edit)

“Some Russian, Polish and Finnish beverage companies already do that to my knowledge. They use biofuel as a substitute. Their products have an energy content equivalent to about 28% to 56% of the energy content of gasoline.

Willis asks

I’m not following this. How do you use biofuel to cut water usage? You have a citation for this?

Jim Says
I interpreted this as alcohol content.
Keep up the fine work Willis.

Makes sense for me, replace the water with ethanol, I missed the humor entirely. Very good, I obviously need another cuppa …
w.

Jimmy Haigh

Well said. I’m with you Willis. We shouldn’t let these fraudsters/scammers etc off with anything. I’m all for going for the jugular.

gman

I live in Vancouver the land of the brainwashed and if I bring this subject up the arm waving becomes so violent you could loose an eye.So I will refer them to this site http://green-agenda.com/ or tell them to google Agenda 21 map.

Jimmy Haigh

By the way, I wonder how much they spent on the logo…