
By Robert G. Brown, Duke University (elevated from a WUWT comment)
I spent what little of last night that I semi-slept in a learning-dream state chewing over Caballero’s book and radiative transfer, and came to two insights. First, the baseline black-body model (that leads to T_b = 255K) is physically terrible, as a baseline. It treats the planet in question as a nonrotating superconductor of heat with no heat capacity. The reason it is terrible is that it is absolutely incorrect to ascribe 33K as even an estimate for the “greenhouse warming” relative to this baseline, as it is a completely nonphysical baseline; the 33K relative to it is both meaningless and mixes both heating and cooling effects that have absolutely nothing to do with the greenhouse effect. More on that later.
I also understand the greenhouse effect itself much better. I may write this up in my own words, since I don’t like some of Caballero’s notation and think that the presentation can be simplified and made more illustrative. I’m also thinking of using it to make a “build-a-model” kit, sort of like the “build-a-bear” stores in the malls.
Start with a nonrotating superconducting sphere, zero albedo, unit emissivity, perfect blackbody radiation from each point on the sphere. What’s the mean temperature?
Now make the non-rotating sphere perfectly non-conducting, so that every part of the surface has to be in radiative balance. What’s the average temperature now? This is a better model for the moon than the former, surely, although still not good enough. Let’s improve it.
Now make the surface have some thermalized heat capacity — make it heat superconducting, but only in the vertical direction and presume a mass shell of some thickness that has some reasonable specific heat. This changes nothing from the previous result, until we make the sphere rotate. Oooo, yet another average (surface) temperature, this time the spherical average of a distribution that depends on latitude, with the highest temperatures dayside near the equator sometime after “noon” (lagged because now it takes time to raise the temperature of each block as the insolation exceeds blackbody loss, and time for it to cool as the blackbody loss exceeds radiation, and the surface is never at a constant temperature anywhere but at the poles (no axial tilt, of course). This is probably a very decent model for the moon, once one adds back in an albedo (effectively scaling down the fraction of the incoming power that has to be thermally balanced).
One can for each of these changes actually compute the exact parametric temperature distribution as a function of spherical angle and radius, and (by integrating) compute the change in e.g. the average temperature from the superconducting perfect black body assumption. Going from superconducting planet to local detailed balance but otherwise perfectly insulating planet (nonrotating) simply drops the nightside temperature for exactly 1/2 the sphere to your choice of 3K or (easier to idealize) 0K after a very long time. This is bounded from below, independent of solar irradiance or albedo (or for that matter, emissivity). The dayside temperature, on the other hand, has a polar distribution with a pole facing the sun, and varies nonlinearly with irradiance, albedo, and (if you choose to vary it) emissivity.
That pesky T^4 makes everything complicated! I hesitate to even try to assign the sign of the change in average temperature going from the first model to the second! Every time I think that I have a good heuristic argument for saying that it should be lower, a little voice tells me — T^4 — better do the damn integral because the temperature at the separator has to go smoothly to zero from the dayside and there’s a lot of low-irradiance (and hence low temperature) area out there where the sun is at five o’clock, even for zero albedo and unit emissivity! The only easy part is to obtain the spherical average we can just take the dayside average and divide by two…
I’m not even happy with the sign for the rotating sphere, as this depends on the interplay between the time required to heat the thermal ballast given the difference between insolation and outgoing radiation and the rate of rotation. Rotate at infinite speed and you are back at the superconducting sphere. Rotate at zero speed and you’re at the static nonconducting sphere. Rotate in between and — damn — now by varying only the magnitude of the thermal ballast (which determines the thermalization time) you can arrange for even a rapidly rotating sphere to behave like the static nonconducting sphere and a slowly rotating sphere to behave like a superconducting sphere (zero heat capacity and very large heat capacity, respectively). Worse, you’ve changed the geometry of the axial poles (presumed to lie untilted w.r.t. the ecliptic still). Where before the entire day-night terminator was smoothly approaching T = 0 from the day side, now this is true only at the poles! The integral of the polar area (for a given polar angle d\theta) is much smaller than the integral of the equatorial angle, and on top of that one now has a smeared out set of steady state temperatures that are all functions of azimuthal angle \phi and polar angle \theta, one that changes nonlinearly as you crank any of: Insolation, albedo, emissivity, \omega (angular velocity of rotation) and heat capacity of the surface.
And we haven’t even got an atmosphere yet. Or water. But at least up to this point, one can solve for the temperature distribution T(\theta,\phi,\alpha,S,\epsilon,c) exactly, I think.
Furthermore, one can actually model something like water pretty well in this way. In fact, if we imagine covering the planet not with air but with a layer of water with a blackbody on the bottom and a thin layer of perfectly transparent saran wrap on top to prevent pesky old evaporation, the water becomes a contribution to the thermal ballast. It takes a lot longer to raise or lower the temperature of a layer of water a meter deep (given an imbalance between incoming radiation) than it does to raise or lower the temperature of maybe the top centimeter or two of rock or dirt or sand. A lot longer.
Once one has a good feel for this, one could decorate the model with oceans and land bodies (but still prohibit lateral energy transfer and assume immediate vertical equilibration). One could let the water have the right albedo and freeze when it hits the right temperature. Then things get tough.
You have to add an atmosphere. Damn. You also have to let the ocean itself convect, and have density, and variable depth. And all of this on a rotating sphere where things (air masses) moving up deflect antispinward (relative to the surface), things moving down deflect spinward, things moving north deflect spinward (they’re going to fast) in the northern hemisphere, things moving south deflect antispinward, as a function of angle and speed and rotational velocity. Friggin’ coriolis force, deflects naval artillery and so on. And now we’re going to differentially heat the damn thing so that turbulence occurs everywhere on all available length scales, where we don’t even have some simple symmetry to the differential heating any more because we might as well have let a five year old throw paint at the sphere to mark out where the land masses are versus the oceans, and or better yet given him some Tonka trucks and let him play in the spherical sandbox until he had a nice irregular surface and then filled the surface with water until it was 70% submerged or something.
Ow, my aching head. And note well — we still haven’t turned on a Greenhouse Effect! And I now have nothing like a heuristic for radiant emission cooling even in the ideal case, because it is quite literally distilled, fractionated by temperature and height even without CO_2 per se present at all. Clouds. Air with a nontrivial short wavelength scattering cross-section. Energy transfer galore.
And then, before we mess with CO_2, we have to take quantum mechanics and the incident spectrum into account, and start to look at the hitherto ignored details of the ground, air, and water. The air needs a lapse rate, which will vary with humidity and albedo and ground temperature and… The molecules in the air recoil when the scatter incoming photons, and if a collision with another air molecule occurs in the right time interval they will mutually absorb some or all of the energy instead of elastically scattering it, heating the air. It can also absorb one wavelength and emit a cascade of photons at a different wavelength (depending on its spectrum).
Finally, one has to add in the GHGs, notably CO_2 (water is already there). They have the effect increasing the outgoing radiance from the (higher temperature) surface in some bands, and transferring some of it to CO_2 where it is trapped until it diffuses to the top of the CO_2 column, where it is emitted at a cooler temperature. The total power going out is thus split up, with that pesky blackbody spectrum modulated so that different frequencies have different effective temperatures, in a way that is locally modulated by — nearly everything. The lapse rate. Moisture content. Clouds. Bulk transport of heat up or down via convection. Bulk transport of heat up or down via caged radiation in parts of the spectrum. And don’t forget sideways! Everything is now circulating, wind and surface evaporation are coupled, the equilibration time for the ocean has stretched from “commensurate with the rotational period” for shallow seas to a thousand years or more so that the ocean is never at equilibrium, it is always tugging surface temperatures one way or the other with substantial thermal ballast, heat deposited not today but over the last week, month, year, decade, century, millennium.
Yessir, a damn hard problem. Anybody who calls this settled science is out of their ever-loving mind. Note well that I still haven’t included solar magnetism or any serious modulation of solar irradiance, or even the axial tilt of the earth, which once again completely changes everything, because now the timescales at the poles become annual, and the north pole and south pole are not at all alike! Consider the enormous difference in their thermal ballast and oceanic heat transport and atmospheric heat transport!
A hard problem. But perhaps I’ll try to tackle it, if I have time, at least through the first few steps outlined above. At the very least I’d like to have a better idea of the direction of some of the first few build-a-bear steps on the average temperature (while the term “average temperature” has some meaning, that is before making the system chaotic).
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Francois: Are you serious? You know there are a few books which might help you understand how the system works.
First off, how the system works is not known completely, though a great deal is known.
Second, the main questions are the rates of energy transport through the many parts of the system, and most of those rates are not known exactly. Without knowing those rates, even the notional equilibrium for a constant input can’t be computed accurately. The author has shown that there are substantial reasons for believing that the widely accepted figure is significantly inaccurate.
Robert G. Brown, that’s a good summary. I think it’s something everyone sort of “knows”, but has decided to ignore. It is worth repeating from time to time, until everyone asks “Where has it been shown that the errors in the simplified approximations are negligible.”
Robert, what I was trying to say is if you should ever need any help, let me know. I have written six different solar system simulations able to hold accuracy up to about one thousand years, not a NASA Horizon system clone, but close, and I already know many of the problems such a program would entail when you carry it into the non-linearities.
Thank you for the article! Great, we need more of these!
I wonder does the 33°K difference play any role in the assumptions of greenhouse warming for the models?
Hm, what would be the temperature on a rotating sphere covered with water – as stated in the article, before considering the atmosphere and the land, simply 4 km deep ocean everywhere.
You might want to check out the following paper, which works through a model similar to the one you describe.
Vasavada, A. R., D. A. Paige, and S. E. Wood, Near-surface temperatures on Mercury and the Moon and the stability of polar ice deposits, Icarus, 141, 179-193, 1999
Available online at:
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~shane/PTYS_395_MERCURY/reading/vasavada_etal_icarus_1999.pdf
Bernd Felsche said @ur momisugly January 12, 2012 at 10:54 am
So the trees I planted 30 years ago that reduce windspeed and evaporation from the soil, thus warming it, haven’t affected the climate on my property? It seems odd to me that I grow more grass as a result of something “entirely synthetic; an arbitrary statistical artifact, based on poor statistics”. Perhaps you meant global climate. I always have trouble imagining something to be both local and global.
Joe Soap says: “Just out of curiosity what is the geothermal input?…”
I’ve done the estimate and it’s negligible. I’ve also steam heated a cylinder of dirt 12′ deep by 3’Φ and still found the spot quite hot two weeks later. Earth is a great insulator.
Francois says: “…there are a few books which might help you understand how the system works.”
Then you must have read these books, Francois, and understood them. Please tell us in your own words what they say. Maybe Anthony will want to post what you have to say.
crosspatch says: “One question I have had is the impact of changes in solar UV…
You may be onto something. I suspect the impact is significant, despite Leif having said the density of the ionosphere (rather than the stratosphere, as you suggest) is too low to have an effect. But you can’t shoot a photon through the ionosphere without hitting something…
Joel Shore says: “…Holder’s Inequality, which tells us that the 4th root of the average of T^4 is greater or equal to the average of T for any distribution of temperature T. (…it turns out that the current Earth is close enough to having a uniform temperature that the difference between these two ways of computing average temperature is small.)”
True, but when doing the energy balance calculations, any error in Tavg must later be taken to the 4th power, which makes it large once more. Remember, we’re looking at a very few W/m² of putative imbalance in all this global warming nonsense.
David L. says: “…“average temperature”? The number, as has been mentioned on this site many times, is meaningless.”
Yes, as in Joel Shore’s hand waving, above. It’s the energy flows that have meaning. It’s all too easy to brush the hair-splitting nature of the GHG problem under the rug by talking temperature or, better yet, anomaly.
tl;dr version:
A black body model won’t, can’t, tell you *anything* about the temperature at the Earth’s surface.
Mike.
There was a book that described this. I believe it was “The Hitchhiker’s Guide To The Galaxy”. If I recall correctly the scale was 100cm to the meter.
“”””” Bill Illis says:
January 12, 2012 at 10:58 am
How about if one makes it a non-rotating planet first with some set heat capacity (and I’m not sure there is really a limit to how much heat a surface or gas can absorb).
How hot does it get at the equator at the spot that is directly facing the Sun “””””
Bill, the highest officially recorded in shadow atmospheric Temperature, was about 136 deg F (57.8 deg C) somewhere in North Africa. US troops in Iraq apparently often went on patrols in air Temperatures of 130 deg F. I take +60 deg C (140 deg F) to be a common dry desert surface Temperature max. and it has often been reported of black top surfaces reaching +90 deg C
At 333 K BB Temperature rather than 288 K to BB total radiant emittance is 1.787 times higher than Trenberth’s 390 W/m^2.
More importantly, the emission spectrum peak wavelength shifts to a shorter wavelength, further removed from the CO2 15 micron band, reducing the CO2 effect and the peak spectral emittance at that shorter wavelength is 2.067 times what it is at 28 K since that goes as T^5, not T^4.
George
PS when that highest record Temperature occurred, it was of course Winter midnight in Antarctica and at Vostok Station; and the lowest Temperature that has been recorded there was below -128 deg F -88.9 deg C. Anecdotal reports of lower Temperature further up the hill are of course not official numbers. I take -90 deg C (-130 deg F) to be the low limit, and note that whole range could occur simultaneously, and therefore there would be an infinity of places on the earth that can have ANY Temperature within those extreme limits, and all at the same time. So much for hundredths of a degree changes being relevent.
All of the above ignore one more highly relevant factor. Climate scientists, alarmists and skeptics alike, usually assume that all the temperature at the surface is due to incoming solar irradiance (except for very trivial lunar and stellar, etc. inputs).
The majority of the heat at the Earth’s surface is due to its radioactive core, especially U-238. Since the half-life of uranium is about 4.5 billion years, that is a factor in changes since the Hadean, or even Cambrian ages, but is effectively a constant for the duration of human existence on the planet.
It is a constant that should be included in estimates and calculations.
Tim Folkerts: These are all “settled” in terms of the general affect on global temperatures. Of course, the details and exact extent are not “settled” (or we could perfectly predict weather and climate).
Dr. Brown’s point is that the details and “exact extent” are not known accurately. Thus you affirm his main point, and affirm my point above that everyone already knows it. It bears repeating: even something relatively simple like the mean temperature of the earth without atmospheric GHGs can not be computed accurately from the known science.
Why not a game. Gore’s got a game, let’s make a game. As Robert was saying, a tinker-toy put together GCM astronomic body climate simulator for any planet/moon system. Why not. Let’s out do him. A physics law tutorial of kids and parents alike. It seems to have some merit.
If you could simulates all known bodies as Ned laid out in his paper, with the same parameters and functions, that actually performs very close to what is seen and measured on all bodies, I would trust that hugely over the current GCMs being used to solely point at CO2. I think most citizens of this world would too.
It would have been nice to see a mention of enthalpy. Atmospheric temperature is meaningless as a way of quantifying heat content without knowing the enthalpy of the atmosphere at that point and that is largely dependent on the water content of the atmosphere and the state the water is in ice, liquid or vapor. It then goes without saying that ‘average’ atmospheric temperatures are completely meaningless as an input into energy content.
The main problem is that with a chaotic system of chaotic sub-systems any ‘simplification’ or assumptions of linear behavior lead to results that are rapidly divergent from the ‘real world’. Even mesoscale modeling of the atmosphere 10 km around a point with best feasible start parameters from normal observations plus LIDAR and RADAR etc., is only feasible out to around 30 minutes with any accuracy. Yet the standard mathematician’s approach is to simplify, as demonstrated by many suggestions on this thread. The assumption that those mathematical simplifications have little effect or only a known effect that can be calculated out afterward, is almost certainly false and impossible to validate.
Dr. Brown, as someone else said, I envy your students.
All that you have said is true. However, let me suggest that there are some things we can conclude despite the difficulties.
First, we have a pretty good handle on how much energy hits the earth system after albedo. It’s on the order of 240 W/m2. I often model the simplified, theoretically perfect situation as an airless spherical blackbody in space heated from the inside by unspecified nuclear reactions, with 240W/m2 emitted everywhere on the surface of the sphere. This has an equivalent blackbody temperature on the order of -18°C. Using this model avoids some of the conceptual difficulties with a rotating planet heated from the outside. I will call the Stefan-Boltzmann temperature of such a sphere the “theoretical S-B temperature” of the planet given the 240 W/m2 radiation.
Now you have done an excellent job of discussing all of the ways that an actual rotating planet with axial tilt will diverge from the theoretical number of -18°C. The important point, as you pointed out, is that in all cases, assuming total emitted radiation stays constant, any divergence from a perfectly even surface distribution of emitted radiation will lower the average temperature from the theoretical S-B temperature.
Knowing this inequality, that all temperature swings and variations only cause average cooling and never warming, will let us draw important conclusions.
Second, we have a pretty good handle on how much the earth surface is emitting. It’s on the order of 400 W/m2. It is estimated from temperatures taken on the surface as well as from satellite observations.
This plus the first fact allows us to put a minimum value on the heating which comes from the “greenhouse effect”. The earth is warmer than its theoretical S-B temperature by at least thirty degrees Celsius. As you point out, it is assuredly more than that. How much more? “Dooo theee integral”, as the wise man said … but for some purposes, it doesn’t matter how much more. That gives us the minimum amount of the greenhouse effect.
This becomes important given the recent prominence of such hypotheses as Jelbring’s and Nikolov’s. As I understand the claims of their proponents, these are said to explain that thirty degrees of warming above the theoretical S-B temperature. However, they say the thirty degrees C of warming is from some atmospheric gravitational effect which doesn’t depend on GHGs.
Now, I hold the following, based on your statements above. My claim is much more general than the specific hypotheses of Jelbring and Nikolov:
If the atmosphere is transparent (contains no GHGs), there is no way for any atmospheric gravitational effect to raise the average surface temperature of a planet above the theoretical S-B temperature.
The proof is by contradiction. Assume as above a planet heated from the inside by radiation. Give it a perfectly transparent, GHG-free atmosphere.
If any such atmospheric or gravitational or any other effect existed, and the surface temperature were raised above the theoretical S-B temperature by such an effect, the inequality noted above means that the outgoing radiation would have to increase.
But since the atmosphere is perfectly transparent, that means that the surface would be radiating more than it is absorbing. This is a perpetual motion machine, and as such a violation of conservation of energy. Q. E. D.
Professor Brown, many thanks for your contributions. I’d be interested in your comments on my proof that no possible atmospheric-based mechanism can push a planet warmer than its theoretical S-B temperature, and I know you are late for class. If you have time.
All the best,
w.
Harry Dale Huffman: In the context of public debate, the “greenhouse effect” is not about radiative equilibria with and without an atmosphere, or even with or without “greenhouse gases” in the atmosphere. It is about whether atmospheric temperature at the surface (or at any given pressure level) increases with an increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide. I am astonished that even skeptics cannot focus upon this obvious fact in the real world; everyone can’t seem to stop themselves from launching into radiative transfer theory arguments.
I agree, but addressing the main issue entails addressing a lot of other issues. The effect of additional CO2 can’t be known if the rest of the system is not known well enough.
@Wenson: It’s worse than you thought. CO2 is only 0,04% of the air!
What is the rational behind the statement: “where it is emitted at a cooler temperature”? I’m not convinced that the Stefan-Boltzmann Law applies to GHG’s any more than it does fluorescent or neon lights. It seems to me that a CO2 (or H2O) molecule can emit IR at a rate not proportion to it’s temperature as long as the temperature is above the “freezing” point of it’s vibration modes (degrees of freedom), such that temperature is merely a threshold variable to IR emissions from GHG’s.
Consider the following:
1) The temperature of a gas is a measure of the kinetic energy of translation not vibration. “Fundamentals of Modern Physics”
2) The specific heat of a gas increases proportionally to degrees of freedom availability. More energy is required to increase the temperature of a gas as degrees of freedom other than translation are “unfrozen” suggesting energy stored in non-translational modes do not effect temperature directly.
http://theory.phy.umist.ac.uk/~judith/stat_therm/node81.html
3) Even though equipartition of energy occurs within a mass of gas, the likelihood for a collision capable of imparting a translational motion from a vibration motion is the same as the likelihood for a collision capable of imparting a vibration motion from a translational motion for a given set of circumstances. Whether the atmosphere would be heated or cooled is dependant on the probability of a collision capable of transferring motion to/from translation to/from vibration encountering the opposite condition; or to put another way, the proportion of GHG to IR input. Consider the atmosphere if the Earth did not radiate IR; any collisions resulting in vibration motion could be emitted as IR, reducing the overall translational motion of the atmosphere, thus cooling it. Considering the other extreme where the Earth radiated so much IR that all available vibration modes were always immediately exited by IR input; then equipartion of energy would be “averaging” energy from vibration induced by IR input into translational movement through collisions thus heating the atmosphere. Obviously, the actual atmosphere is somewhere in between these two extremes. Whether GHG’s heat or cool the atmosphere depends on the amount of GHG’s (increases may result in less direct heating), the amount of IR input, and the availability of vibration modes. Only the availability of vibration modes is dependant upon temperature and then only as a threshold.
4) Absorption and emission of specific bands of IR by GHG’s corresponding and limited to vibration modes also suggests that IR absorption and emission by GHG’s are not black body emissions but instead exhibit this characteristic of “cold radiators”.
5) Earth’s atmosphere temperature profile does not correlate with GHG concentration appreciably warming the atmosphere.
http://regentsearth.com/Illustrated%20ESRT/Page%2014%20(Properties%20of%20Atm.)/ESRT10-Properties%20of%20Atmosphere.jpg
6) Anecdotal evidence: IR heaters and lamps do not heat the air in a room directly but heat the IR absorbing surfaces exposed to its output.
I conclude from the above that IR emissions from the atmosphere are not directly proportional to its temperature and therefore cannot be black/grey body emissions or Stefan-Boltzmann Law would be violated. Therefore, a temperature increase is not required for an increase in atmospheric IR emissions (atmospheric radiance is not proportional to temperature). How can an increase in GHG mass in the atmosphere cause an increase in GHE (back radiation) prior to any significant atmospheric temperature increase if a temperature decrease (emitting from higher, colder position) reduces the radiance of the atmosphere? Until I see some evidence to the contrary, I maintain that no temperature increase is required in order to emit an additional amount radiation from GHG’s both down and up.
Dr Brown,
Thanks for your thought provoking post. I am a big fan of (attempting) to put into words and logical arguments tough modelling problems. An excellent, though non-related text on the topic of CFD is “Computational Fluid Dynamics” by John D. Anderson, Jr and I only mention this text because Anderson illuminates the wall-to-wall Navier-Stokes equations of CFD with actual physical and logical descriptions. For me, this really brought the topic to life. You have done the same here in this post for modelling GHG and I appreciate your work.
Carrick – thanks for the link; I’ve printed out the paper and will study it. As usual, you rock.
Francois says:
January 12, 2012 at 8:30 am
“Are you serious? You know there are a few books which might help you understand how the system works.”
Francois, I’m a mechanical engineer only interested in climate change since Climategate 1.o but since then have read over 800 pages (on last count) of scientific papers and one text book on climate change, and (14) more books on the topic – not necessarily highly technical books. I come away finding that mankind has far more impact on humanity than we on this dead orb circling a massive star while embedded in a complex solar-system. If you can suggest “a few books” that would not be beyond the understanding of a graduate-level mechanical engineer I am sincerely interested in knowing the titles. BTW, of those books I read, the textbook was the most unsatisfying.
Dear Mr. Eschenbach,
Please allow me to combine the things you said with a comment of Neo, to ask you a question:
You said:
First, we have a pretty good handle on how much energy hits the earth system after albedo. It’s on the order of 240 W/m2. This has an equivalent blackbody temperature on the order of -18°C.
Second, we have a pretty good handle on how much the earth surface is emitting. It’s on the order of 400 W/m2. This plus the first fact allows us to put a minimum value on the heating which comes from the “greenhouse effect”.
The earth is warmer than its theoretical S-B temperature by at least thirty degrees Celsius.
Neo says:
January 12, 2012 at 10:37 am
The Earth radiates it’s own heat generated at the core.
My question is:
How much of that 30 degrees could earth have produced by itself?
I’m looking forward to your response. Thanks in advance!
Kind regards,
Scarface
Lady Life Grows says: “The majority of the heat at the Earth’s surface is due to its radioactive core …”
All estimates I have seen suggest that the geothermal heat flow is less than 1 W/m^2 (compared to 100’s of W/m^2 for the sun). People are welcome to find their own estimates, but I am 99.999% sure they will find that geothermal contributions are very far from being “the majority”.
Dont forget the earths magnetic field!
“I maintain that no temperature increase is required in order to emit an additional amount radiation from GHG’s both down and up.”
Would it follow that acceleration of energy flow by radiation upward to space would offset deceleration of energy flow by radiation downward to the surface for a zero net effect ?
Michel de Rougemont says:
January 12, 2012 at 9:34 am
At Earth orbital distance from the Sun the total incoming energy provided by the Sun is 1366 / 4 = 341.5 W m-2 .
(solar constant divided by 4 to take day/night and spherical shape into account).
Without an atmosphere, reflection and absorption of the solar irradiance would only take place at the Earth surface, composed by ice, rocks and sand. With an assumed albedo of 0.4 (reflecting power of a surface) the earth surface would absorb 341.5*(1-0.4) = 204.9 W m-2 and re-emit this energy to the outer space.
According to the Stefan- Boltzmann law, the mean temperature at the earth surface would establish itself at:
T= (E / ε σ)^¼ = (204.9/(1 x 5.6710-8))^ ¼ = 245.2 K (-28°C)
Michel, how does it look like with a water planet with 12 hours of 1366/2 = 683 W m-2 and 12 hours night?
Water emisivity and albedo are known. Ignore any atmosphere, clouds, evaporation but waters heat capacity, keeping also in mind that light is warming into depth.
“But since the atmosphere is perfectly transparent, that means that the surface would be radiating more than it is absorbing. This is a perpetual motion machine, and as such a violation of conservation of energy. Q. E. D.”
No atmosphere is transparent to conduction.
Conduction being a slower process than radiation an increase in the amount of conduction relative to radiation is what causes the equilibrium temperature to rise.
A planet with no atmosphere receives radiation in and sends it back out again virtually instantly.
The more mass in the atmosphere the more conduction takes place, the slower is the rate of energy loss to space and the higher the equilibrium temperature must rise.
Gravitationally induced pressure at the surface increases density of the gas at the surface by reducing volume so as to make conduction occur sooner/faster than if the gas were less dense which increases the greenhouse effect of the atmosphere.
That is the true greenhouse effect and it is nothing to do with radiative characteristics of individual gas molecules.
It is a matter of mass and gravitationally induced pressure reducing outward radiation in favour of an increase in conducted energy accumulating in the atmosphere.
Temperature swings are cyclical at least daily and yearly (if not decadal, etc.). Daylight temps are higher and night temps are cooler. This daily cycle is superimposed on a yearly cycle where the temperature is coldest in the winter and warmest in the summer. Yet all this cyclic temperature behavior is boiled down to an average. All the information is in the cycle, not in the average.
It’s analogous to an AC voltage: a sine wave or “alternating current” that swings from -170V to 170V. You can measure Peak, (170V), peak to peak (340V) or RMS (120V) voltage. What don’t they measure? The average voltage. What is the average? Zero volts. Which climate scientist would stick their finger in a wall socket when told the average voltage was zero?