Earth's baseline black-body model – "a damn hard problem"

The Earth only has an absorbing area equal to a two dimensional disk, rather than the surface of a sphere.

By Robert G. Brown, Duke University (elevated from a WUWT comment)

I spent what little of last night that I semi-slept in a learning-dream state chewing over Caballero’s book and radiative transfer, and came to two insights. First, the baseline black-body model (that leads to T_b = 255K) is physically terrible, as a baseline. It treats the planet in question as a nonrotating superconductor of heat with no heat capacity. The reason it is terrible is that it is absolutely incorrect to ascribe 33K as even an estimate for the “greenhouse warming” relative to this baseline, as it is a completely nonphysical baseline; the 33K relative to it is both meaningless and mixes both heating and cooling effects that have absolutely nothing to do with the greenhouse effect. More on that later.

I also understand the greenhouse effect itself much better. I may write this up in my own words, since I don’t like some of Caballero’s notation and think that the presentation can be simplified and made more illustrative. I’m also thinking of using it to make a “build-a-model” kit, sort of like the “build-a-bear” stores in the malls.

Start with a nonrotating superconducting sphere, zero albedo, unit emissivity, perfect blackbody radiation from each point on the sphere. What’s the mean temperature?

Now make the non-rotating sphere perfectly non-conducting, so that every part of the surface has to be in radiative balance. What’s the average temperature now? This is a better model for the moon than the former, surely, although still not good enough. Let’s improve it.

Now make the surface have some thermalized heat capacity — make it heat superconducting, but only in the vertical direction and presume a mass shell of some thickness that has some reasonable specific heat. This changes nothing from the previous result, until we make the sphere rotate. Oooo, yet another average (surface) temperature, this time the spherical average of a distribution that depends on latitude, with the highest temperatures dayside near the equator sometime after “noon” (lagged because now it takes time to raise the temperature of each block as the insolation exceeds blackbody loss, and time for it to cool as the blackbody loss exceeds radiation, and the surface is never at a constant temperature anywhere but at the poles (no axial tilt, of course). This is probably a very decent model for the moon, once one adds back in an albedo (effectively scaling down the fraction of the incoming power that has to be thermally balanced).

One can for each of these changes actually compute the exact parametric temperature distribution as a function of spherical angle and radius, and (by integrating) compute the change in e.g. the average temperature from the superconducting perfect black body assumption. Going from superconducting planet to local detailed balance but otherwise perfectly insulating planet (nonrotating) simply drops the nightside temperature for exactly 1/2 the sphere to your choice of 3K or (easier to idealize) 0K after a very long time. This is bounded from below, independent of solar irradiance or albedo (or for that matter, emissivity). The dayside temperature, on the other hand, has a polar distribution with a pole facing the sun, and varies nonlinearly with irradiance, albedo, and (if you choose to vary it) emissivity.

That pesky T^4 makes everything complicated! I hesitate to even try to assign the sign of the change in average temperature going from the first model to the second! Every time I think that I have a good heuristic argument for saying that it should be lower, a little voice tells me — T^4 — better do the damn integral because the temperature at the separator has to go smoothly to zero from the dayside and there’s a lot of low-irradiance (and hence low temperature) area out there where the sun is at five o’clock, even for zero albedo and unit emissivity! The only easy part is to obtain the spherical average we can just take the dayside average and divide by two…

I’m not even happy with the sign for the rotating sphere, as this depends on the interplay between the time required to heat the thermal ballast given the difference between insolation and outgoing radiation and the rate of rotation. Rotate at infinite speed and you are back at the superconducting sphere. Rotate at zero speed and you’re at the static nonconducting sphere. Rotate in between and — damn — now by varying only the magnitude of the thermal ballast (which determines the thermalization time) you can arrange for even a rapidly rotating sphere to behave like the static nonconducting sphere and a slowly rotating sphere to behave like a superconducting sphere (zero heat capacity and very large heat capacity, respectively). Worse, you’ve changed the geometry of the axial poles (presumed to lie untilted w.r.t. the ecliptic still). Where before the entire day-night terminator was smoothly approaching T = 0 from the day side, now this is true only at the poles! The integral of the polar area (for a given polar angle d\theta) is much smaller than the integral of the equatorial angle, and on top of that one now has a smeared out set of steady state temperatures that are all functions of azimuthal angle \phi and polar angle \theta, one that changes nonlinearly as you crank any of: Insolation, albedo, emissivity, \omega (angular velocity of rotation) and heat capacity of the surface.

And we haven’t even got an atmosphere yet. Or water. But at least up to this point, one can solve for the temperature distribution T(\theta,\phi,\alpha,S,\epsilon,c) exactly, I think.

Furthermore, one can actually model something like water pretty well in this way. In fact, if we imagine covering the planet not with air but with a layer of water with a blackbody on the bottom and a thin layer of perfectly transparent saran wrap on top to prevent pesky old evaporation, the water becomes a contribution to the thermal ballast. It takes a lot longer to raise or lower the temperature of a layer of water a meter deep (given an imbalance between incoming radiation) than it does to raise or lower the temperature of maybe the top centimeter or two of rock or dirt or sand. A lot longer.

Once one has a good feel for this, one could decorate the model with oceans and land bodies (but still prohibit lateral energy transfer and assume immediate vertical equilibration). One could let the water have the right albedo and freeze when it hits the right temperature. Then things get tough.

You have to add an atmosphere. Damn. You also have to let the ocean itself convect, and have density, and variable depth. And all of this on a rotating sphere where things (air masses) moving up deflect antispinward (relative to the surface), things moving down deflect spinward, things moving north deflect spinward (they’re going to fast) in the northern hemisphere, things moving south deflect antispinward, as a function of angle and speed and rotational velocity. Friggin’ coriolis force, deflects naval artillery and so on. And now we’re going to differentially heat the damn thing so that turbulence occurs everywhere on all available length scales, where we don’t even have some simple symmetry to the differential heating any more because we might as well have let a five year old throw paint at the sphere to mark out where the land masses are versus the oceans, and or better yet given him some Tonka trucks and let him play in the spherical sandbox until he had a nice irregular surface and then filled the surface with water until it was 70% submerged or something.

Ow, my aching head. And note well — we still haven’t turned on a Greenhouse Effect! And I now have nothing like a heuristic for radiant emission cooling even in the ideal case, because it is quite literally distilled, fractionated by temperature and height even without CO_2 per se present at all. Clouds. Air with a nontrivial short wavelength scattering cross-section. Energy transfer galore.

And then, before we mess with CO_2, we have to take quantum mechanics and the incident spectrum into account, and start to look at the hitherto ignored details of the ground, air, and water. The air needs a lapse rate, which will vary with humidity and albedo and ground temperature and… The molecules in the air recoil when the scatter incoming photons, and if a collision with another air molecule occurs in the right time interval they will mutually absorb some or all of the energy instead of elastically scattering it, heating the air. It can also absorb one wavelength and emit a cascade of photons at a different wavelength (depending on its spectrum).

Finally, one has to add in the GHGs, notably CO_2 (water is already there). They have the effect increasing the outgoing radiance from the (higher temperature) surface in some bands, and transferring some of it to CO_2 where it is trapped until it diffuses to the top of the CO_2 column, where it is emitted at a cooler temperature. The total power going out is thus split up, with that pesky blackbody spectrum modulated so that different frequencies have different effective temperatures, in a way that is locally modulated by — nearly everything. The lapse rate. Moisture content. Clouds. Bulk transport of heat up or down via convection. Bulk transport of heat up or down via caged radiation in parts of the spectrum. And don’t forget sideways! Everything is now circulating, wind and surface evaporation are coupled, the equilibration time for the ocean has stretched from “commensurate with the rotational period” for shallow seas to a thousand years or more so that the ocean is never at equilibrium, it is always tugging surface temperatures one way or the other with substantial thermal ballast, heat deposited not today but over the last week, month, year, decade, century, millennium.

Yessir, a damn hard problem. Anybody who calls this settled science is out of their ever-loving mind. Note well that I still haven’t included solar magnetism or any serious modulation of solar irradiance, or even the axial tilt of the earth, which once again completely changes everything, because now the timescales at the poles become annual, and the north pole and south pole are not at all alike! Consider the enormous difference in their thermal ballast and oceanic heat transport and atmospheric heat transport!

A hard problem. But perhaps I’ll try to tackle it, if I have time, at least through the first few steps outlined above. At the very least I’d like to have a better idea of the direction of some of the first few build-a-bear steps on the average temperature (while the term “average temperature” has some meaning, that is before making the system chaotic).

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wayne
January 20, 2012 7:34 am

“I’m still learning atmospheric science myself, …”
Me too Robert. Had to top and write my agreement with that statement. I have already been wrong multiple times learning this climate science, but, that is how we learn, isn’t it. ☺

January 20, 2012 7:55 am

(Arrgh, stupid interface… continued from the previous patch)
… air at (say) 10C (the previous day’s high temperature) and the ground at (say) 0C, locked there by the latent heat of fusion on windless days? The ground quickly cools below the temperature of the air, creating an instant inversion that should turn convection nearly off. The air itself is a poor greenhouse emitter, is it not? It should cool much more slowly than the ground, Yet the ground and the car cool at about the same rate as the air around them (with the car cooling much faster than the ground), at least at the levels where my thermometer can reach, where by “cools faster” I mean “changes temperature” faster, not “loses more heat”. The ground almost certainly loses a lot more heat than the car or the surrounding air in the same amount of time. Maybe that’s the explanation — the air loses heat much more slowly, but it has much less heat to lose and in the end it pretty much keeps up.
The nearby lakes are even worse. They hardly change their temperature at all as the sun sets, and don’t warm much during the day either. They have a surface temperature that is almost never the same as either the nearby ground surface or the air. Then there is the effect of clouds and haze. On a cloudy day this time of year we often observe no variation of temperature anywhere near the ground. We’ll have a whole day — sometimes a couple in a row — where my thermometer reads e.g. 8C within a degree. Daytime, nighttime, doesn’t matter. 8C. Or 12C. Or 2C. Other days, as night falls it gets colder, when the sun rises, it gets warmer, with the clouds in place.
Mostly, our local temperature depends a lot more on the direction of the prevailing wind of the day than it does on overt radiation or cooling. When the wind and weather come up from the south, carrying Gulf moisture (or not), it tends to be warm. When we get an arctic high pressure center that blows down from the Northwest, it gets cold. When we get just the right combination of the two — moisture (which is usually warming) and cold air, we get snow. It would never snow on its own I don’t think, in NC the way it snows on its own in upstate New York or Maine or Michigan, but if we borrow some cold air from somewhere else we can make it. As long as you don’t live near the coast — the warm Gulf Stream just offshore makes ice and snow pretty rare indeed (even at points at exactly the same latitude) just a couple of hundred kilometers away. Although I have, in the last five years, sat on Ocracoke on Easter in April — Ocracoke is an outer banks island that sticks way out and is surrounded by water on both sides — being bombarded by ice and snow pellets instead of enjoying the more “usual” mild and temperate climate one expects by late April in NC. Hell, last frost in Durham is usually April 1, although I’ve seen May in the last twelve years (it killed all of my azaleas that year).
It’s this last part, the transport of heat laterally by the atmosphere (and the oceans) that I’m still working on. If I built a radiative climate model for Durham based on the assumption that Durham is in some sort of local radiative balance, the resulting temperatures would look nothing at all like the actual temperatures, with or without a greenhouse effect. Not even on average. A lot of the heat we lose from our patch of ground to radiation wasn’t absorbed here, it has moved up here from somewhere else. We are radiating more heat than one would expect on the basis of local equilibrium — the “ideal” heat associated with time of year, insolation, GHE and so on — plus all the heat that was actually absorbed somewhere semi-tropical and moved here.
Here my brain explodes — I can’t figure it out. I want to say that moving heat from the tropics to here is net cooling as far as the Earth is concerned. We’ve moved a packet of heat from a hot location to a colder location, doing work on it, and releasing it to space faster than it would have been released if it had stayed home. Everything in my intuition says that by providing an additional pathway to the 3K “reservoir” of outer space that is driven by free energy changes, the system cools faster, not more slowly. And yet the simple blackbody model considers lateral heat transport to be net warming.
My intuition — which could be wrong, mind you — tells me that it should almost be a physical principle. In a self-organizing open thermally driven system, spontaneously emergent structures should always increase the rate of energy transfer between the hot reservoir and the cold reservoir. Convective rolls are a case in point — they occur because they speed up the cooling of the hot side and decrease the average temperature of the fluid compared to a stratified conduction-only arrangement of the fluid in layers. If you have a pot of water with a fixed input of energy at the top surface and a fixed (equal) output of energy at the bottom surface, you will build up a certain temperature at the top and the bottom that suffice to drive the heat input conductively through the water to where it is removed. You will (or should) end up with a linear temperature profile, warm on top to cool at the bottom.
Put the same amount of heat in at the bottom and remove it at the top, and the problem becomes a lot more complicated. Convective rolls amost instantly appear, and carry water from the bottom (where it is warmed) directly to the top where it is cooled. The conduction rate that (along with the heat capacity of the water and rate of heat input at the surfaces) determined the final temperature gradient and hence average temperature in the first case is almost irrelevant now — only small packets of water are warmed only a little bit, and then they are zipped straight up to the top and the heat is removed. It feels like the average water temperature in this latter case should be much colder, just like my house is colder (for the same heat input) in steady state when I have walls with convection interrupting glass wool in them rather than just an air cavity large enough to support convection. The glass doesn’t really modulate the conductivity — it blocks convection.
So what I feel like I’m lacking in my mental model so far is a convective cooling effect for the Earth, one where more convection equals faster cooling and hence lower temperatures. Here is where the GHE is counterintuitive — it predicts net warming from the more uniform temperature distribution that (all things otherwise equal) should result from convection. But I don’t see that. It doesn’t really matter how the outer wall of my house cools — turning on convection should make the house itself lose heat faster than it would for the same amount of heat input from my furnace.
The only complicating factor in this is the T^4, which has to interact with r^2 d\Omega and the emission spectrum to determine outgoing flux. The house does have complicated walls. But my intuition suggests that this doesn’t matter — from the time of Prigogene on, we have understood that self-organized structures, structures that reduce the entropy of the system, almost invariably do so at the expense of increasing the entropy of their surrounding environment. The more structured the Earth’s atmosphere as the result of convection, nonlinear flow, and so on, the faster it loses heat to and thereby increases the entropy of the Universe proper.
Hurricanes are a perfect, if rather temporally local, example. Hurricanes are net cooling events, I think, from a climatological perspective. They take a hell of a lot of oceanic heat that would have taken a long time to cool out of the ocean radiatively in a stratified no-lateral-transport model and quickly transport it over a very large area where it is ultimately removed from the Earth far faster. It doesn’t materially affect the temperatures of the places where it carries the heat for very long, because it pushes them well above their equilibrium temperatures where the local rate of cooling will be much faster than it would have been out in the stratified ocean. Even in terms of the GHE, they blast oceanic heat up throgh most of the GHGs to where it can be lost quickly.
If things like convection, especially long term convective oscillations that move heat long distances both laterally and vertically, have a differential cooling effect, that is a strong negative feedback in the climate system. It also suggests that the climate will be very sensitive to even small changes in those oscillations. El Nino, for example, might blast heat around, locally warming the air and “climate” in lots of places, but still have a net cooling effect in the long run compared to what would happen if the heat gathered in the La Nina years just continued to build up. An increase in the violence of the swings might well be the visible signature of negative feedback in action, the system spontaneously adapting to lose heat faster and hence cool overall compared to the rate it would have lost heat otherwise.
I think that dynamical heat transport, in other words, is very likely as important as the GHE in both establishing and modulating the baseline equilibrium heat flow from the Sun “through” the Earth and out to space in ways that effect both the local distribution of surface temperature and overall “average” temperature of the surface from somewhere inside the crust out to the edge of the atmosphere.
Hard problem.
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Joe
Reply to  Robert Brown
January 20, 2012 10:26 am

Robert,
The comments to your post just will not stop, which I think is great. I feel that your explanation of dynamic heat transport is correct with two small exceptions:
1) By radiation alone, the ground should not cool faster than the air even with differences of radiation efficiency for the simple reason that they are both at roughly the same temperature but the ground has 1000 times the heat capacity per unit volume than the air. Throw in convection and winds and you have a different story.
2) You feel that dynamic heat transport is at least as important as radiation effects in dissipating surface heat. I disagree just a little bit. I think it dominates! If you look back 550 million years or even longer, you see periods where the sun is 15% weaker, carbon dioxide concentration is 20 times higher, and the surface temperature is a lot colder or a lot hotter than today totally out of sync with each other. Something else sets the thermostat.

January 20, 2012 8:02 am

Robert Brown:
I appreciate the time you took with your response. Being just a retired lawyer, I appreciate why you would consider it futile to dispel ignorance of the magnitude that must afflict one such as me.
However, it has happened more than once that a seemingly naive question from me caused a Ph.D physicist to abandon a theory in which he had theretofore been sure enough to base a new enterprise on. In this case my naive question is whether your certainty about what the assumptions are for the above-invoked thermodynamics laws’ derivation is so great that you can be confident that their applicability extends to the issue I raised, namely, whether the theoretical lapse rate for the air column at equilibrium is actually zero rather than just small.
Velasco et al. derived their molecular-kinetic-energy-vs.-altitude e relationship—which, as I understand it, says the equilibrium temperature lapse rate is small rather than zero–from state densities dictated by the Hamiltonian equations. (I hasten to add at this point that I’m just parroting buzzwords; I found their derivations’ calculus challenging, and I have yet to master why theoretical mechanics dictates equal probabilities for equal state densities as so defined.) At least to this layman, that sounds like a more-fundamental approach than simply invoking a result, like “equilibrium is isothermal,” without showing that the assumptions on which such a result is based apply to the situation in which you intend to use it–and without showing that the result is actually intended to be exact rather than, as I understand Velasco et al. to contend, approximate, .
I’m a layman rather than a physics professor, so I fully expect that you are able to demonstrate where my misapprehension lies. I just think you have yet to do it.

January 20, 2012 11:53 am

“Robert Brown says:
Here my brain explodes — Everything in my intuition says that by providing an additional pathway to the 3K “reservoir” of outer space that is driven by free energy changes, the system cools faster, not more slowly. And yet the simple blackbody model considers lateral heat transport to be net warming.
My intuition — which could be wrong, mind you — tells me that it should almost be a physical principle. In a self-organizing open thermally driven system, spontaneously emergent structures should always increase the rate of energy transfer between the hot reservoir and the cold reservoir.”
Robert, some info on self-organisation out of chaos can be found from the Maximum Entropy Principle (MEP).
Papers about MEP in our climate system:
The
second law of thermodynamics and the global climate system: a review of the Maximum
Entropy Principle

Nonequilibrium
thermodynamics and maximum entropy production in the Earth system

Entropy
Production by Earth System Processes

Robert Clemenzi
January 20, 2012 11:55 am

Joe says:
January 20, 2012 at 10:26 am

1) By radiation alone, the ground should not cool faster than the air

This happens every night in the current real atmosphere. The surface cools very fast. Heat then flows from the much warmer atmosphere toward the surface, causing a temperature inversion. Just look at a few lapse rate plots. The thickness of the inversion layer is directly related to the IR opacity of the atmosphere. Adding more greenhouse gases will not “trap more heat” but instead makes the inversion layer thinner which, in turn, will make the surface colder.
At any rate, by looking at the data, it is obvious that the ground cools much faster than the atmosphere even though it has a greater heat capacity.

Myrrh
January 20, 2012 4:36 pm

Joel Shore says:
January 20, 2012 at 3:44 am
Myrrh says:
I’ll ask you again. What is the mechanism that makes the net come out as flow from hotter to colder?
Until you have that you have no way of stopping an ice cube warming your hotter house.
Myrrh: I’ve already explained to you a few months ago the modern understanding of the Second Law in terms of the statistics of large numbers of particles and how that leads from microscopic reversibility to macroscopic irreversibility. (Robert Brown has also explained it in one of the threads here.) This understanding is one of the triumphs of physics in the last century or so. You however refused to believe it .To deny all of modern physics that you don’t like is your prerogative but I am not going to waste my time with you.
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Perhaps I didn’t explain myself very well, or well enough. I’ll have another go.
But that “statistically” is based only on the known law that heat flows from hotter to colder, putting in a ‘and that includes that maybe there will be one event when it doesn’t’ might sound terribly sophisticated, but doesn’t add anything, but importantly, it isn’t any proof that there is such a thing as net flow from an exchange from hotter to colder and from colder to hotter that always ends in hotter to colder. That’s just semantics.
You must include a mechanism for that to happen in the real world.
That’s a hypothesis at best. This is science we’re talking about, prove it.
Put in flow of water.
Sure, there might be some infinitesimal chance that Niagra Falls will suddenly reverse direction.. (/sark).
What is happening at each stage of water flowing downhill? Is each molecule of water at every point in an exchange to get a net ‘always flows downhill’? Nope. All the molecules are flowing downhill. If there’s a reverse at any point it is because some outside energy/work is being done on that molecule to reverse its direction.
Just because I can create a ‘statistical explanation’ that there is an exchange of direction at every point doesn’t make that explanation mean anything or be saying anything, when I have to bring in something else to explain it irrelevant to it, with water flow it’s more obvious to see that ‘statistically’ is nonsense because you have to bring in an obviously impossible scenario for it.
That’s all I’m saying. Simply creating the idea that energy flows from colder to hotter ‘because photons travel in all directions’ isn’t good enough. Or “microscopic reversibility to macroscopic irreversibility” of large numbers. You have to prove it to make that real ‘statistical’ maths meaningful.
And, take the Sun for example, the photons from the Sun aren’t travelling in all directions, they are travelling in straight lines. So, your ‘statistical photon exchange’ has the same problem as with water flowing downhill.
So, you are using an unproven law ‘the net exchange is always from hotter to colder in the exchange of photons from hotter to colder and colder to hotter’- which you can’t prove exists – to prove the statistics of molecular large number possible reversal at micro to macro proves the law, and demanding that we bow before it in awe at its cleverness. Fail.

Joel Shore
January 21, 2012 6:53 am

Myrrh: I am not going to explain modern physics to you when you have shown that any intelligent explanations to you are a complete waste of time. If someone wants to remain ignorant of modern science, there is nothing I can do to stop them.
You will continue to be a source of pure amusement here, even among most fellow AGW skeptics.

Myrrh
January 21, 2012 4:27 pm

Joel Shore says:
January 21, 2012 at 6:53 am
Myrrh: I am not going to explain modern physics to you when you have shown that any intelligent explanations to you are a complete waste of time. If someone wants to remain ignorant of modern science, there is nothing I can do to stop them.
You will continue to be a source of pure amusement here, even among most fellow AGW skeptics.

Oh right, modern science = ‘there’s no empirical objective reality, reality is whatever the individual’s subjective interpretation decides it is’
Well, I’m still stuck in old fashioned science, and if you have no proof of your subjective interpretation of the world around you it remains at best unproven, hypothesis, or junk. Until you can provide proof your claim is valid in heat transmission you’re just pissing in the wind, and you don’t need any ‘modern statistical science’ to grasp what that result will do to you..
You can rewrite the second law by putting in extra processes, but that doesn’t prove that these processes exist. If you can’t see that, if that simple real science paradigm is beyond your modern science understanding, then of course you miss the point I’m making.
What I find terribly sad here, is that so many can’t see that the world you’re describing is not the world we see around us.

Brian H
January 22, 2012 5:04 am

Just to take the radiation/temperature calcs to the extreme, if the 255K average were ½ 0K and ½ 510K hemispheres, the OR would rise by a factor of 8. Same average temp, though!

Brian H
January 22, 2012 5:43 am

Davidmhoffer says:
“That being the case, the ONLY affect that CO2 can have in terms of GHE is to become part of the mechanism that redistributes energy from the tropics to the poles. “

I think that applies a fortiori to Venus. My speculation about Venus is that, at those high temps and densities, CO2–>CO2 radiative transfer is very swift and efficient indeed, so that the day and nightside temps are almost identical, despite a very slow rotation rate.

Baa Humbug
February 5, 2012 3:41 am

Brown, Mr Eschenbach or other interested parties.
I recently came across a published paper (relevant to this topic) that made intuitive sense to me, but the technical aspects are way beyond my capabilities.
I would very much appreciate a critique from those who may be kind enough to put in the time and effort.
Scrutinizing the atmospheric greenhouse effect and its
climatic impact
Gerhard Kramm, Ralph Dlugi

Abstract:
In this paper, we scrutinize two completely different explanations of the so-called atmospheric greenhouse effect: First, the explanation of the American Meteorological Society (AMS) and the World Meteorological Organization (W?MO) quan- tifying this effect by two characteristic temperatures, secondly, the explanation of Ramanathan et al. [1] that is mainly based on an energy-flux budget for the Earth-atmosphere system. Both explanations are related to the global scale. In addition, we debate the meaning of climate, climate change, climate variability and climate variation to outline in which way the atmospheric greenhouse effect might be responsible for climate change and climate variability, respectively. In doing so, we distinguish between two different branches of climatology, namely 1) physical climatology in which the boundary conditions of the Earth-atmosphere system play the dominant role and 2) statistical climatology that is dealing with the statistical description of fortuitous weather events which had been happening in climate periods; each of them usually comprises 30 years. Based on our findings, we argue that 1) the so-called atmospheric greenhouse effect cannot be proved by the statistical description of fortuitous weather events that took place in a climate period, 2) the description by AMS and W?MO has to be discarded because of physical reasons, 3) energy-flux budgets for the Earth-atmosphere system do not provide tangible evidence that the atmospheric greenhouse effect does exist. Because of this lack of tangible evidence it is time to acknowledge that the atmospheric greenhouse effect and especially its climatic impact are based on meritless conjectures.
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=9233
This is an open access paper in pdf format 8mb
Thank you in advance

Brian H
February 5, 2012 5:35 am

Baa H.;
Wow, that’s one thorough piece of work! I notice they demolish Halpern’s critique of G&T early on:
“If it is possible to publish such a physically
inadequate comment, we have to acknowledge that the
discipline of climatology has lost its rational basis.”

Baa Humbug
February 5, 2012 7:05 am


That’s what I thought (thorough) but I can’t verify the math.
Assuming the math is correct, this paper warrants scrutiny don’t you think Brian?

Brian H
February 5, 2012 6:26 pm

Yes, one of the most important papers for a while, I’d guess.

Robert Clemenzi
February 11, 2012 10:07 pm

Brian H says:

Just to take the radiation/temperature calcs to the extreme, if the 255K average were ½ 0K and ½ 510K hemispheres, the OR would rise by a factor of 8. Same average temp, though!

Which is why you have to use T**4 for the average. In that case, the warm side would be 303K, not 2*255=510K.

Brian H
February 14, 2012 10:52 am

Robert Clemenzi says:
February 11, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Brian H says:
Just to take the radiation/temperature calcs to the extreme, if the 255K average were ½ 0K and ½ 510K hemispheres, the OR would rise by a factor of 8. Same average temp, though!
Which is why you have to use T**4 for the average. In that case, the warm side would be 303K, not 2*255=510K.

Uh, yeah. That was, I believe, my point. Averaging temps gets dumber and dumber the wider the range of temps in the sample.

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