Guest post by Professor Robert G. Brown of Duke University.
Not all scientific research is equal, in terms of its probable impact on humanity. If one is studying poison dart frog species in tropical rain forests, getting a number wrong or arriving at an incorrect conclusion will generally have very little impact on the life of somebody living in California, India, China, or for that matter, in the tropical rain forests in question.
On the other hand, medical research has a profound impact on us all and has a long history of abuse, both deliberate and accidental. From the egregious claims of snake-oil salesmen whose very name has come to be the universal metaphor for “science” subverted to special interest to modern cases of confirmation bias and manipulation of data in e.g. drug testing, because of the potential for profit from medical science and technology it has proven to be necessary to defend the public against bad science. All medical research at this point is strongly regulated at or before the point where the rubber meets the road and actual patients might be adversely affected or killed by bad science or self-serving deliberately manipulated science.
Some of the key standards of this regulation of research include transparency and reproducibility, as well as the near-universal use of double-blind experiments to prevent the pernicious advent of confirmation bias, backed up by the threat of liability if the research process is deliberately subverted because of any sort of vested interest (including the simple desire to “be famous”, or “win tenure”, or “keep one’s grant funding”).
Engineering is a second place where doing science (in this case applied science) badly is dangerous to the public weal. If a bridge, a car, a space shuttle is designed poorly or carelessly, society ultimately pays a significant cost. In this case the needs of engineering firms and private individuals for protections of intellectual property are carefully balanced against the need to protect society. Consequently, the building of bridges, cars, and space shuttles — with or without proprietary components — is subject to oversight, inspection, and again, legal liability.
Climate research has long since passed from the realm of being a tiny discipline with a handful of researchers whose mistakes had almost no impact on humanity to being an enormous, publicly funded research machine that has a huge impact on the public weal. Whether or not you agree or disagree with the Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) hypothesis, there is no denying that it has a huge impact on people all over the world. Quite literally every human on earth is currently at risk either way relative to the conclusions of what is still a relatively small community of scientists with a remarkably homogeneous point of view.
Whether or not these scientists are honest — do or do not sincerely believe their own conclusions is not an issue (any more than it often is in the case of medical research or large scale engineering projects); what is important to the general public is that the scientists at this point have a clear interest that potentially conflicts with their own. At risk (to the scientists) is: loss of (enormous) funding; loss of prestige; loss of political power and influence. Many of them have staked their entire reputation and career on stating conclusions as near-certain scientific fact that have a multi-trillion dollar price tag to society associated with their conclusions — however objective and well-intended — turning out to be correct or incorrect.
This dwarfs the potential damage that could be done even by unscrupulous drug companies, by medical researchers seeking to make a name for themselves, by incompetent physicians and all of the other scientific activities in the general field of medicine that are so tightly regulated. It dwarfs the damage that can be done by a faulty braking system in an automobile, by whole cities of buildings that cannot (as it turns out) withstand earthquakes, by faulty O-rings in space shuttles. It dwarfs even the damage that can be done by unregulated banking systems leading to global financial collapse that lower the standard of living “suddenly” on a worldwide scale. It is larger than the combined probable damages from all of these activities put together over any reasonable time scale.
I must emphasize that from the public point of view, this risk is in some sense symmetrical. Taking global steps such as creation of an entire cap and trade financial instrumentation in order to combat CAGW is without any doubt enormously expensive and the loss in this case is certain and immediate. However, as proponents of CAGW theories are quick to point out, society is required to make some kind of wager regardless because the cost of doing nothing if their hypothesis is true may also be extreme.
However, it must be carefully noted that one is balancing a multi-trillion dollar and immediate certain cost against a future possible cost that is by no means certain. It is simply a matter of responsible governance that the cost-benefit of this risk be soberly and, above all, openly assessed. Furthermore, both regulation and liability are absolutely necessary — indeed, long overdue — in any scientific endeavor that has long since left the ivory tower of pure research and become the basis for such far-reaching policy decisions.
Unfortunately, climate research that not only has impacted, but has led the way in the public debate and scrutiny that should correctly attend the collective expenditure of vast amounts of wealth that could otherwise be put to better use has not, thus far, been conducted in an open way. Critical data and methodology have been hidden and treated as if they were proprietary by the scientific researchers involved, in spite of the fact that the data itself has rather often come from governmental organizations or is the direct product of research funded entirely by public research grants, as in most cases is the published work itself. That this has occurred, and continues to occur, is not at issue here — the evidence that this has occurred and continues to occur is conclusive and indeed, ongoing. The simple fact of the matter is that whatever the truth of the hypothesis, the methodology and data used to support it are largely hidden, hidden well enough that it is routinely true that they cannot easily be merely reproduced by a third party, let alone the conclusions be intelligently and critically challenged.
In the ivory tower it is not unreasonable or uncommon for this sort of practice to exist, at least for a time. Scientists’ only “commodity” of value at a research University or government organization is their ideas and their research work, and theft of both is far from unknown. It is perfectly reasonable for individuals to initially hide their research goals and methods from everyone but perhaps a small set of trusted collaborators until they are proven to the satisfaction of the researcher, lest some key discovery or idea be co-opted or pre-empted by a competitor.
Even in the ivory tower, such obfuscation is supposed to — and typically does — come to an end when a work is published. Publication is the final goal of the research process in the ivory tower of the University (and often in a government laboratory) and in both cases there is a careful separation between work that is done with an eye to obtaining a patent or protected intellectual property and work being done (especially work being done with public funding) for open publication with no related rights being preserved.
Once a scientist has published in the latter case, it is expected that they will make both methods and data public upon request and invite others to reproduce and either verify or criticize the methods and any results derived from them. Anything less is a corruption of the scientific process that — when it works correctly — eventually rejects error and advances the sound. This process is often imperfect — even with levelling/protecting structures such as “tenure”, there are differential rewards to scientists based on how well they keep key ideas, methods, or even data back to maintain an advantage over their competitors and it is not uncommon for only part of the story to be told in any given publication, especially early on in the development of a new idea.
Although one can therefore understand the origins of this sort of reticence and inclination to hide research methods and data or share them only with carefully selected collaborative colleagues, and although one might even still respect this right up to the point of publication in climate research, in the specific field of climate research the public stakes are too high for this practice, however common it might or might not be in the study of poison dart frogs or the physics of graphene, to be tolerated.
The conclusions of modern climate research are almost exclusively based on published results such as the (now infamous) “Hockey Stick” graphs produced by Mann, et. al. and data sets such as HadCrut3. HadCrut3 itself is currently made readily available, but only as processed results obtained by some means from streams of raw data that are not. It is, in fact, essentially impossible for a third party to take the actual data used in the current HadCrut3 snapshot published by the Met Office at the Hadley Center, feed it to the actual code used to generate the processed data, and verify even the very limited fact that the data and the code do indeed produce the same result when run on different computers, let alone that the methodology used to produce the result from the data is robust and sound.
It must once again be emphasized that public policy decisions that have been made, are being made, and will be made in the future based on the raw data and methodology used will cost every living person on earth on average several thousand dollars, at least. Again this is stated without prejudice concerning whether or not the published temperatures are, or are not sound, or whether CAGW is, or is not, a well-supported scientific hypothesis. If it is true and we do nothing, it will cost thousand of dollars per living person and many lives over decades. If it is false and we spend money like water to prevent it anyway, it will cost thousands of dollars per living person and many lives over decades; in addition, it will do incalculable cost to the credibility of “the scientist” in the minds of the public that further amplifies this monetary damage by altering the profile of government funded research and the level of trust accorded to all scientists in the public eye.
I am writing this article to call for new legislation to address this issue, legislation that creates direct oversight for climate researchers whose work directly impacts the decision making process directing this enormous but unavoidable gamble. I am writing this as a citizen that is already paying for decisions based on the “certain” conclusion of CAGW — if this conclusion is certain, then it is certainly true that it can be transparently certain, with the entire process used to arrive at it right back to the original raw data open to public and scientific scrutiny not only by those that agree with it but by those that honestly disagree with it or merely have doubts that it is true and would like to verify it for themselves.
I would suggest that this legislation be soberly and conservatively drafted so that it in no way hinders climate researchers from carrying out their research but adds the following requirements that must both precede and follow any published result that impacts the decision process.
a) All numerical code, and input data (that is, the raw input data including any that is for any reason available from one’s source but not included in the computation, along with the provenance of all the raw data) used in arriving at some conclusion must be openly published in an immediately usable form and made readily available to anyone in the world as of the date of publication in any journal, public presentation at conferences or workshops, or publication or inclusion as a reference in policy document such as IPCC reports.
This legislation shall apply to publications based on proprietary data as well as data from public sources. The immense cost of the public decisions based on such publications and the risk of corruption of the results cherrypicked or data that might have been altered in hidden ways by vested interests is too great to permit data to be used or selected from any source that cannot be checked in its entirety, including the data that is left out.
Note well that this precise measure is indeed needed. The FOIA has already proven to be inadequate to compel the release of code and data used to generate datasets such as HadCrut3 or the “Hockey Stick” or “Spaghetti Graph” curves that currently support many of the conclusions of climate researchers.
Note also that this is hardly a burdensome requirement. It is sound practice already to carefully provide provenance and good organization for one’s raw data, to provide sound backup and revision control for the computer code used to process the data that permits “snapshotting” of the code actually used to produce a result, and to archive both for any given publication in case one’s methodology is ever called into question. The only additional requirement this imposes is to set up a website and put the data and code snapshot there with a short piece of documentation accompanying it that frankly will be of as much benefit to the researchers in the long run as it is to anyone seeking to download code and data to check results. Nowadays the cost of this is so low as to be “zero” and in any event is trivially within the means of any grant funded climate research program that almost certainly is already using one or more web servers to disseminate both results and data.
b) The establishment of a board of governance for the science with the specific and narrow purview of addressing abuses of the open scientific process. The need for such a board, and the need to staff it with people who are completely disconnected from climate or environmental research or any political organization or corporate organization with any possible interest in the outcome is clearly demonstrated in the occult Climategate conversations where it is revealed that certain researchers working in the field are far more concerned with “causes” and “winning the PR war” than with the science and are willing to deliberate tamper with data and methodology to hide results that confound their desired conclusions or to directly and deliberately subvert e.g. the objectivity and independence of the journal review process to suppress competing points of view right or wrong as they might be! The only place such discussions should occur is openly, in the literature itself, in the form of critical counter-articles or published comments, not in behind the scenes efforts to discredit editors or have them fired.
Note well that implementing provision a) will make tampering with data or methods far more difficult, but not (as evidence from medical research abuses reveals) impossible, and nothing (so far) seems to have worked to maintain any semblance of fair play in the public debate — on both sides of the climate issues. Even if the only sanction used by the oversight board is public censure and the probable elimination of future funding, those are probably enough in a world where one’s scientific reputation and ability to continue work are one’s greatest treasure.
c) The establishment of personal liability for any work that is published wherein it is later shown that the researcher did knowingly and deliberately manipulate data or methods so that their arguments lead towards a predetermined end (confirmation bias, cherrypicking data) without openly indicating what was done and why in the publications. Again, there is ample precedent for such liability (and the corresponding governance and oversight) in all scientific and technical endeavors that directly impact on the public weal, in particular in medical research. There should be considerable freedom under this rule to make honest mistakes or to pursue unpopular or popular conclusions — one of the major purposes of provision a) above is that it should ensure that there should never again be a good reason for sanctioning a researcher after the fact of publication by guaranteeing transparency — but just as would be (and historically, often has been) the case when it is determined that a published medical study where the researcher or corporation sponsoring the research “fudged” the data and as a result patients died or suffered losses makes the researchers and/or sponsors legally liable for the damage, there need to be at least limited liability and public sanctions in climate research to provide a strong disincentive to academic dishonesty or the protection of interests that, in the end, are not strictly the pursuit of scientific truth.
Needless to say, no researcher can afford to pay the true liability cost of a mistake in a ten-trillion dollar public policy decision driven by their work, but actual overt dishonesty and work performed with hidden/vested interests cannot be allowed to proceed unpunished, either. This has proven to be absolutely true in countless other, far less costly, realms of scientific, economic and sociopolitical endeavor — wherever an unregulated marginal advantage exists to be exploited by an unscrupulous individual, sooner or later such an individual shows up to exploit it. There is far too much at stake here not to protect the public good.
To conclude, much of what happens on this and other blogs, e.g. Climate Audit, is ultimately fruitless. Much energy and time is expended discussing this abuse or that abuse of good scientific methodology without any real hope of putting it right or on e.g. FOIA requests and other straightforward (but openly obstructed) attempts to simply understand how various numbers that purport to show anomalous warming were generated. The place progress has been made is primarily in a very few, but extremely significant cases (e.g. the deconstruction of the infamous “hockey stick” graph that at this point is completely discredited in spite of having dominated public discourse and public policy decisioning for over a decade) when access has been obtained to raw data and actual computational code. Mistakes that may well have misdirected hundreds of billions of dollars of public money could easily have been averted by legislation like that suggested above mandating a completely open and above-board process.
Those who advocate the CAGW hypothesis should welcome such legislature — if they have nothing to hide and their results can indeed convince “97% of scientists” as claimed, then they should make it easy for those scientists to not just read their published results (working from hidden data) but to be able to verify how their work advances from the hiddent. They, and their “cause”, can only benefit from a completely data-transparent process if their conclusion is correct.
Advocates are mistaken in treating the CAGW hypothesis as a public relations problem to be solved or a cause to be fought for in the first place (terms bandied about in a most disturbing way in the Climategate communications however they were intended), often discussed as alternatives to the far simpler option of publishing papers that address and attempt to refute competing claims, ideally acknowledging points where they might have a point. Scientific discourse has no room whatsoever for either of these as the popularity of an idea is irrelevant to its probable truth, and “causes” smack of either political or religious thinking, both of them ultimately irrational in different ways. An idea is held to be correct when it is well-supported by a mix of good fundamental science, reliable data, and openly reproducible, openly critically examined methods, and any good scientist will always bear in mind the fact that however much they “like” their own conclusions, they could be wrong.
There is little that is certain in science, and good science is honest about the uncertainties even when — perhaps especially when — there is a lot at stake.
Yes, this is a high standard of truth, one that will take time to achieve, especially in a field as complex as climatology, where many results are obtained by means of rather complex computational or statistical methods that rightly should be closely scrutinized as it is all too easy to either “lie” with or be honestly misled by an incorrect model (again this happens so often that we have a whole terminology such as “garbage in, garbage out” to describe it) or incorrect statistical analysis — the latter especially is a bete noire in sciences (and medical research) with far less impact on the public purse than climate research.
Nowhere are the stakes higher; nowhere is the oversight lower and the methodology ultimately more deliberately hidden than it currently is in climate research. And why? If CAGW is indeed true, a truly open process of research and decision making should be openly and even enthusiastically embraced by supporters of CAGW, because it will equally well compel skeptics of CAGW to provide full access to their methods and data and reveal possible vested interests. How often have we all heard the litany “anyone who criticizes CAGW is supported by the oil industry” (and seen scurrilous allegations to that effect in the ongoing discussion revealed by Climategate). Well, here is an opportunity to provide objective oversight and liability in the unlikely event that this is true — but in both directions.
I would therefore strongly suggest that a sympathetic advocate be found who would sponsor the a-b-c rules above as actual legislation to govern all climate research, publicly funded or not, that is actually used to influence large scale public policy decisions. Indeed, I would call on all climate researchers and journal editors to enforce “voluntarily” compliance with rule a) whether or not such legislation is ever written! Climategate 1 and 2 documents have clearly, and shamefully, revealed that many climate researchers currently knowingly and deliberately refuse to make either data or code/methods publicly available even when proper FOIA requests have been made. Journals such as Nature or Science have a deep responsibility to ensure transparency in any papers they choose to publish that have such a huge real cost and impact on public affairs either way their hypotheses are ultimately resolved. Papers published in climate science that specifically address the issue of global warming, including papers published in the past, should be given a reasonable opportunity to provide provenance and access to raw data and methods and, if that provenance is not forthcoming for any reason, the papers should be publicly repudiated by the journal and withdrawn.
Perhaps we could call it “Mcintyre’s Law”, since few people have fought this battle more frequently, and more fruitlessly in far too many cases, than Steve Mcintyre.
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Justin J. says:
December 2, 2011 at 8:03 pm
“The author’s argument is basically that, because of enormous unintended negative consequences of government actions, the solution is more government control, more legislation, more officials funded by more tax.”
Yes, that’s why deregulating the banking sector led to such prosperous results for so many as recently seen.
Your argument is to maintain the status quo for essentially a right wing anarchist ideology? In the market of ideas, right or wrong, the CAGW industry presently and of the last quarter century has been winning regardless of facts. Climategate the 1st should have made it quite clear that the truth is not in and of itself a remedy to bad science. Political capital is a double edged sword, but at least you know who’s holding the handle.
I would not limit this to Climate- but extend it to all EPA and NOAA science.
All IPOs and even real estate transactions require full disclosure- and these are voluntary exchanges. Why isn’t full disclosure applicable given we are forced to pay the costs of regulatory demands. The new Supreme Court ruling on full disclosure actually makes the hurdle for compliance higher than simply stating what you know– you need to pass along concerns about what you don’t know. And that means all the data- not just what you used in publication. It might be simpler to just make the government regulatory agencies accountable to the same standards as the private sector.
The sad part is that the Team members appear to have no conscience. Some of them have undoubtedly thought about the worldwide ramifications of their findings supporting hurtful policies. The fact that they have for years performed this way and evinced no remorse, ever, indicates that, as far as I am concerned, sociopaths, lacking the ability to feel empathy.
One in 25 people are sociopaths. They tend to be controlling, seeking power and wealth to increase their control. They are hurtful by nature and see the normal person as crippled by their morals and conscience. Sociopaths who want to take everything as well as have control of others are psychopaths, which describes ManBearPig Al Gore.
kakatoa said:
December 2, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Mcintyre’s Climate Science Robustness Law sounds good to me.
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MWP: McIntyre’s Warmunist Policy
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Calling for watchdogs in this case is simply putting the poachers in charge of the poachers. CAGW will not be cured by legislation – it will only be cured at the ballot box (if at all).
Well said Professor Brown.
While I agree that climate science is in the highlight of its policy impact potential, in the future it will be something else, just as in the past it was ozone depletion, acid rain, DDT, etc. Wouldn’t it be easier to define a policy/law surrounding the use of scientific studies rather than the science itself? How would any particular researcher know his study would be used for future policy making? I would rather see a policy/law that any scientific conclusion or study must pass through an adversarial trial prior to being applied in policy consideration. The hockey stick would never have passed a “Wegman Tribunal” for example.
“It is simply a matter of responsible governance that the cost-benefit of this risk be soberly and, above all, openly assessed. Furthermore, both regulation and liability are absolutely necessary — indeed, long overdue — in any scientific endeavor that has long since left the ivory tower of pure research and become the basis for such far-reaching policy decisions.”
Robert,
If you were a tent revival preacher, I’d be in the front row shouting “Halelujah!”. It is as simple…. and as very hard to achieve, as ‘A, B, C’. The only way we will ever have any assurance of responsibility in ‘climate science’ is if we have some real measure of liability for lying, cheating, and committing fraud. There will be many naysayers (some have already weighed in above), but doing nothing is unacceptable. How do we proceed? What small steps can be taken to start down a path of making this happen?
MtK
A brilliant article!
…but one quibble.
The initial observations by Professor Brown focus on the checks and balances on such professions as engineering and medical research. The analogy is sound. A combination of legal liability and regulation keep unethical and self serving behaviour in check. Oh it isn’t perfect by any means, but the checks and balances do orders of magnitude more good than they cost, and without them the world would easily be a much uglier place.
Professor Brown’s suggestion is, in my opinion, flawed from one perspective. In the case of engineering or medical research, private industry is subject to the checks and balances of regulation by government, and to legal liability as adjudicated by the government run judicial system.
Much of what has gone so sickeningly wrong in the area of climate science is that government has lost site of, for lack of a better term, church and state. The work of climate science is largely government funded, government regulated, government policed and government implemented. It is simply impossible for a government organization, no matter how well intentioned, to regulate and police itself.
Power corrupts. Period. Unless the power that comes with the funding mechanisms, the regulatory mechanisms and the implementation mechanisms rests in separate hands, a “police state” is the inevitable result. Regulation and legal liability are effective in controlling engineering and medical research for the simple reason that the regulators gain power only by doing a good job of regulation. The moment that regulation and the work that the regulation controls are under one roof… power corrupts and the notion of checks and balances lost too.
As much as I support Professor Brown’s main position and his brilliantly articulated article, the fact is that the only way for his suggestions to be effective is to move climate research into the private sector. Publicly funded research has its place, and that place is theoretical research. Applied science should be done in the private sector. The reason we have things like FOIA and judicial inquiries and ELECTIONS is that we learned a long time ago that government can govern and regulate, but it cannot govern and regulate ITSELF. If it could, we’d have no need of periodic elections in which the popular sentiment is “throw the bums out”.
Perhaps there should be enough regulation to make lying bastards tell the truth and provide all documentation to convict himself if/when he lies. I’ll buy that. Can we make it retro-active?
Apply to politicians? You bet.
Apply to academics? First and foremost.
Apply to the media? Absolutely.
Would this have stopped the CAGW scam? No, they have already mastered the weasel words; suggests, may, likely, possible, etc.
Nevertheless, good points are made here. It can’t be worse than it is.
Here’s a tenth-of-a-loaf first step. All climate-related scientific research papers will be liberated from their paywalls, with the government picking up the tab. The burden on the government would be tiny, and the benefit substantial. And this law could easily get passed–it would be hard to oppose it. The public would like the sound of it.
The next step would be to expand the scope of the law to cover papers in other contentious topics. And then maybe for all topics.
davidmhoffer says:
“Publicly funded research has its place, and that place is theoretical research. Applied science should be done in the private sector.”
So, the National Hurricane Center should be turned over to CNN? While I happen to agree with you in principle; in practice the line between theoretical and applied can get blurred. What about applied science that is of general benefit but isn’t profitable, thus likely to not be attended to by the private sector?
This will all be a lot easier after “The Great Purge” resulting from the backlash of the realization of all but the completely brainwashed that CAGW was exaggerated by orders of magnitude (2015-2020?) has removed advocates from positions of authority in what should be (and hopefully will be again someday – 2035?) trusted agencies such as NOAA, NASA, and EPA.
I have been trying sporadically by email to prod the Australian opposition to ask questions in parliament, such as “Is it true that ice records show temperature rising before CO2?” or ” Exactly what do our sea level records show?” etc. The minister must either tell the truth or mislead parliament. It may be difficult to hold them to account in our current parliamentary predicament, but if they want a career after the next election, they should be careful. Also, there is a slim chance it may be reported. (Like Dr Dennis Jensen’s speech was, ho ho. )
Jesse,
You can send it to all the newspapers and all the TV stations; but how do you get them to use it?
Michael Mann and transparency is like Dracula and sunlight — the latter is fatal to the former.
Bravo, Prof. Brown. The spirit of Richard Feynman smiles on you. Another vote for “Mcintyre’s Law”, even though in an ideal world it would not be needed. Perhaps we might include also “Watts’ Quotient” as an indicator of just how accurate each element of data is, in view of Anthony’s outstanding efforts over the last few years.
Politicians, businessmen, engineers, and practically all disciplines have to make decisions under uncertainty, under urgency, and high potential cost or benefits. There is no time to gather sufficient data and analyze it. A reasonable decisionmaker hedge his bet. If he is going to bet on AGW, then he hedge his bet by putting his research budget and investigation that AGW is wrong so that he could minimize his losses. The unusual thing about AGW or climate change is the apparent high ego to prove that his gamble is correct. The are just like Mr. Turnbull of the novel Phineas Finn. Having predicted some evil consequences, he was doing the best of his powers to bring about the verification of his own prohecies. The research grants, pulbicity and business opportunities are stacked to prove his gamble although his sycophants would claim the science is settled. If decision makers are going to hedge their bets, the debate would be more balanced. In fact, the most of the team if not all of them might even be on the other side.
Robert. Excellent proposal.
I would extend the section on liability to include Scientific Journals if they fail or have failed to meet the requirements of open and unbiased reporting and publication of scientists papers, and of assessing the accessibility of the data.
I would also extend liability to broadcasters, newspapers and other publications that present scientists views and reports in the manner of attempting to brainwash the public. They are fully aware that the science is not settled yet have chosen to pervert balanced, open science and are breaching the fundamental principal of democracy in so doing.
“…Perhaps we could call it “Mcintyre’s Law”, since few people have fought this battle more frequently, and more fruitlessly in far too many cases, than Steve Mcintyre…”
For a long time now I have proposed that McIntyre be given a Nobel prize.
Few people since Roger Bacon have done so much, in such appalling circumstances, to defend and advance the cause of Science.
well, dang,. ~I just posted this on the previous thread:
(1) The rehabilitation of Michaels and of Soon & Baliunas – though the science – is essential.
(2) The restatement and legal binding of Scientific Method in terms of accountable replicability (published data, methods, and key factors like station history) is essential
(3) The recognition of the importance of the human dimension, and the contribution of amateur scientists, is essential
(4) It would be nice to develop a form of 12-step program for recovering
scientoholicspropagandists. Heck, aren’t some of us that already!much of what happens on this and other blogs, e.g. Climate Audit, is ultimately fruitless.
Strongly disagree Sir – though I applaud the rest. Big oaks from little acorns grow, etc. The issue is transplanting the seedlings (WUWT, CA etc) into prepared land (Iegislation) which will not be done successfully without taking account of the wisdom of the blogs.
There are other issues crucial to success, for which the blogs have been responsible in raising awareness:
(1) Retrospective action. All past Climate Science papers would need to be passed through the new accountability, starting with the key papers, of course.
(2) The human issues. Nobody, especially politicians and grant-dependent scientists, like to admit to misbehaviour. We need to find exoneration clauses of “acted in good faith with the best available evidence of that time” to let a lot of people off the hook. But we need more. We need a “12-step” type programme on offer for those who are more obviously culpable.
(3) The media, and the power of urban myths. This is a serious issue. Here is a concrete example: the Protocols of Zion was discredited as a forgery in 1921. This did not stop Hitler using it. We need to beware the way that the “hockey stick” meme has taken hold.
(4) The newcomer, the “delinquent teenager” IPCC, accountable to nobody, needs to be seen for what it was set up to be, a political tool to bend science to support predetermined results. The fact that this was, or may for some have been, a “Noble Cause”, needs to be taken into account but not used as a reason to avoid accountability.
A superb article which, with it’s responses, exposes a basic flaw in Democracy as it is currently practised in the West. Davidmhoffer identifies this as follows:
“Much of what has gone so sickeningly wrong in the area of climate science is that government has lost site of, for lack of a better term, church and state. The work of climate science is largely government funded, government regulated, government policed and government implemented. It is simply impossible for a government organization, no matter how well intentioned, to regulate and police itself.”
I’m from the UK where for the last couple of decades or so the public have been ignored on major issues which have greatly affected their lives – European Integration and Mass Immigration to name but two. The same “strategies” as seen with CAGW have been used – anyone voicing a concern is personally attacked, labelled a “denier” (or worse still – a “racist”) thus shutting down discussion immediately. We even have “thought crimes” now.
However I don’t want these emotive issues to take away the focus on this article and what is needed. Certainly enactment of A, B, and C should go ahead soonest. I will be copying this article to my local MP (Member of Parliament) to take forward. I suspect a major issue will be one of “global enactment” ie any government enacting this alone could find research moving “abroad” fairly quickly.
We have to eat the elephant one mouthful at a time.
crosspatch says: @ur momisugly December 2, 2011 at 7:21 pm:
‘We need for government to put this information out as official with wide distribution to stop the disinformation that is being repeated.’ And: ‘We need someone in government to make certain official statements of facts.’
I about gagged upon reading that. Government is the major reason for the present situation. Not only are all of the Warmista ‘scientists’ government funded, but all of the politicians and bureaucrats who promote and benefit from the AGW meme are members of government.
Asking government to regulate scientific information is like having the fox guard the henhouse.
Think EPA: C02 is now a pollutant. Would you prefer science by consensus or by decree?
This is a really bad idea – in fact a terrible and dangerous idea. Government now has the power to declare anyone they disagree with a terrorist. If AGW is the law of the land then deniers can be considered terrorists. This website would be shut down and Anthony fined or worse.
The answer lies right here in trying to expose lies and explain our concerns forthrightly and openly. Resorting to government coercion will only lead to – as one commenter said – a Ministry of Truth.
Think about, please.
Not only would it be cheap for academic organisations to provide the required information, they would also save themselves shed loads by not needing large departments to fight off FOIA requests.
Hi Dr. Brown
Truth can’t be hidden; it just takes a bit of time to dig it out
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/SSN-T.htm
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/HMF-T.htm