Caribou supposedly roasted by global warming found unharmed

Another one for the Climate FAIL file…

USA Today/Associated Press, in 2009:

“They believe the insidious impact of climate change, its tipping of natural balances and disruption of feeding habits, is decimating a species that has long numbered in the millions and supported human life in Earth’s most inhuman climate.”

But, darn those Caribou, they just aren’t acting the way they are supposed to….

CTV/Canadian Press in 2011:


A vast herd of northern caribou that scientists feared had vanished from the face of the Earth has been found, safe and sound — pretty much where aboriginal elders said it would be all along.

“The Beverly herd has not disappeared,” said John Nagy, lead author of a recently published study that has biologists across the North relieved.

Those scientists were shaken by a 2009 survey on the traditional calving grounds of the Beverly herd, which ranges over a huge swath of tundra from northern Saskatchewan to the Arctic coast. A herd that once numbered 276,000 animals seemed to have completely disappeared, the most dramatic and chilling example of a general decline in barren-ground caribou.


“Many of the community people reported that elders think this is nothing new. Caribou move.”

Caribou move? Who knew? Can’t they model that?

h/t to Kate at SDA

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November 24, 2011 9:45 pm

Best comment on this story from one of my readers –

I just want to make sure I fully understand this..
The same people who are telling us that polar bears are in trouble with dwindling numbers, based on their counts of white animals huddled against a white background FROM HELICOPTERS, "lost" over a quarter of a million of large, dark animals, which could easily be spotted from the air.
And they wonder why we’re skeptical?
Posted by: KevinB at November 21, 2011 8:09 AM

November 24, 2011 9:50 pm

Wow! Caribou move about! How about that! I always used to think that they just lay on their backs in the snow on the ground and waved their legs in the air, quite helplessly until they finally froze to death. Perhaps those Poley Bears can move about too! Perhaps the IPCC could get someone to model this dramatic new idea!

November 24, 2011 9:50 pm

Kate, always great to hear from you, loved the comment. For those who do not know her, Kate McMillan is the Canadian genius behind the site. Click on her name above and bookmark her site, it’s a great resource and always full of fun.

November 24, 2011 9:56 pm

“They believe the insidious impact of climate change, its tipping of natural balances and disruption of feeding habits, is decimating a species that has long numbered in the millions and supported human life in Earth’s most inhuman climate.”

What ever happened to the practice of blaming everything unexplainable on aliens?

November 24, 2011 10:00 pm

So, when they originally proposed that 276000 Caribou had suddenly died to Climate Change, why nobody went and asked the basic question that we have seen Willis ask several times here in WUWT in a more general context? i.e. WHERE ARE THE CORPSES? It is amazing that they can publish something like that and get away with it.

Leon Brozyna
November 24, 2011 10:03 pm

These high priests of the climate need to vacate their computer labs and get out amongst the flora and fauna to discover that the life forms they study are not living in blissful harmony with their environment. There are predators out there as well as bug infestations and of course, bacteria and viruses. A change of a couple degrees is nothing compared to the brutality of living “in harmony” with nature. Anything can devastate a herd of animals one year and that same herd will rebound after a few years … that’s the price of living the brutal life they live. These automatic reflexive actions of the high priests to blame everything on climate change really makes them look … well, like a bunch of ignorant and superstitious high priests.

November 24, 2011 10:05 pm

I refer you to the Monty Python “Woody” sketch – “Caribou gorn!”.

November 24, 2011 10:13 pm

Two words…. confirmation bias

November 24, 2011 10:14 pm

For the BBC …. (By Jennifer Carpenter)
Commenting on a paper published in Science

The new models predict that given a doubling in CO2 levels from pre-industrial levels, the Earth’s surface temperatures will rise by 1.7 to 2.6 degrees C.
That is a much tighter range than suggested by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)’s 2007 report, which suggested a rise of between 2 to 4.5 degrees C.
The new analysis also reduces the expected average surface temperatures to just over 2 degrees C, from 3.

November 24, 2011 10:19 pm

The caribous and the Polar bears certainly don’t give a damn about AGW, so why should we?

November 24, 2011 10:33 pm

Way too much grant money given to these scientists. Loosing caribou herds, seeing dead polar bears in the water?? I talked to a University of Edmonton scientist responsible for the Coke campaign to build a nothern refuge for the polar bears. I asked why he thought the polar bears who have lived through the Eemian, the Holocene so far, through the Roman Warm Period and the MWP, would die out in this warm period? He said he was not a climate scientist but his American climate scientists have told him ithe warming is happening much faster this time. And he believed them, living in Edmonton ??

Lew Skannen
November 24, 2011 10:35 pm

The caribou probably failed to respond to an online survey. Hardly the scientists fault if the caribou are not going to cooperate. Bloody denialist caribou…

November 24, 2011 10:47 pm

Just another brick in the wall.

November 24, 2011 10:48 pm

Wonderful! Sceptic Caribou take the p/ss out of Climate Alarmist by playing hide and seek better than them!

November 24, 2011 11:03 pm

Maybe they thought no one would check. Not a lot of people up there. It’s like claiming Arctic temperatures are rising–who’s going to go up there and find out they’ve been lying?

November 24, 2011 11:07 pm

The CBC interviewed someone, I miss the opening and the man’s name. Effectively he told the interviewer they were never missing just misplaced. They spoke next to a local hunter, he knew that. “Happens all the time,” he said. No one bothered to ask the people who live there. You know those ignorant hunters who either find the Caribou or starve. Or more probably chose to ignore them, what do they know, their not university grads with all those high tech toys.

Interstellar Bill
November 24, 2011 11:19 pm

So that’s what those hooves are for!

November 24, 2011 11:39 pm

… pretty much where aboriginal elders said it would be all along.

November 24, 2011 11:41 pm

@ Pete..
gees, I dunno.. those climate alarmists are pretty darn good at playing hide and seek with DATA and METHODS !!

November 25, 2011 12:05 am

How appropriate an article on “Santa’s Reindeer found on Black Friday!
Just in time for expanded Xmass shopping!
These CAGW people are at least aware of the season, (when money is involved.)

November 25, 2011 12:11 am

I dunno, I’m not a scientist, just a normal guy with a simple science degree, but i do have a brain me thinks (I think therefore I am?). Wot I wud hev done is just follow them wolves. It’s them that best can track the caribou, them wolves. Or have the scientists modelled that wolves have already died of global warming? LOL.

November 25, 2011 12:11 am

Well, caribou are very adaptable and mobile animals. Back during the last Ice Age they were down by the Mediterranean, now they’re up in the Arctic. They are even on Spitzbergen which they must have reached by walking over the ice in winter.
During the climatic optimum 6-8,000 years they were even on Franz Joseph’s land, but there they died out when the glaciers re-expanded to cover almost the whole archipelago. There are limits to adaptability even for caribous.
Most amazing of all: there are two thriving herds on South Georgia down in the Antarctic, brought there by Norwegian whalers about 100 years ago. Those animals had to shift ther calving and rutting periods by 6 months in just a few years to survive. Very few animals can do that, so it is a measure of their resilience to environmental changes.

November 25, 2011 12:20 am

Caribou hooves
are on the move
to places far unknown
But leave them alone
and they’ll come home
nary a climate fraud among ’em

November 25, 2011 12:31 am

hmmm! still beieving though….
25 Nov: ABC: Global warming rate could be less than feared
By Science Online’s Genelle Weule, wires (AFP)
High levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere may have less of an impact on the rate of global warming than feared, a new study suggests…
But more severe estimates that predict temperatures could rise up to an average of 10 degrees Celsius are unlikely, the researchers report in the journal Science…
The new study suggests temperatures will rise on average 2.3 degrees under the same conditions.
“When you reconstruct sea and land surface temperatures from the peak of the last ice age 21,000 years ago – which is referred to as the Last Glacial Maximum – and compare it with climate model simulations of that period, you get a much different picture,” said lead author Andreas Schmittner, from Oregon State University…
Associate Professor Schmittner notes that many previous studies only looked at periods spanning from 1850 to today, thus not taking into account a fully integrated palaeoclimate data on a global scale…
Professor Colin Prentice from Macquarie University says he is not surprised by the results.
Professor Prentice, who was not involved in the study, says the new paper is based on a careful compilation of data and addresses an issue that is “absolutely central”.
“What it means is we can be a bit more sure about the sort of range of temperature changes that will result from the given change in the amount of fossil fuel and CO2 and other greenhouse gases,” he said.
“The key point is that there has been ongoing buzz about the possibility that the climate sensitivity may be way, way higher than in mainstream climate models.
“So for very technical reasons with data just from contemporary observations and observations from the recent historical period, you just haven’t got enough information to really rule out those numbers.
“What [this study] has shown is that those very high values are ruled out…
The study was funded by the National Science Foundation.

November 25, 2011 12:33 am

A classic case of presupposition designed to disguise the fact that they didn’t get of their fat arses and go have a look. There, in the vastness of the Tundra, amongst the Pingos and swarms of blackflies, the caribou were merrily munching sedge and having calves while someone exaggerated the effects of a fraction of a degree. This is the stuff of satire.

November 25, 2011 12:56 am

Over and over and over again thankfully through the lenses of the world wide web, we are seeing the crass, gross ignorance of supposedly highly trained scientists increasingly on display.
Their intellectual and academic arrogance and the casual dismissal of those with on the ground knowledge but of course of inferior intellect compared to the highly trained scientists, are rarely believed or their knowledge checked and acted on.
Instead we are regaled with seriously bad science written up to give the most alarmist slant on the subject, all with barely the slightest underpinning of reality.
We saw this contrast with the bush trained Tree man during the debate on the hockey stick tree rings on WUWT a year or so ago where the tree guy just gave a simple, totally believable run down on how trees live, grow and die which made the CRU claims surrounding Mann’s tree rings look like pure garbage which they were.
I saw it when the El Nino was written up in the Scientific American in the very early 1970’s. All the anchovies had disappeared off the Peruvian coast due of course to overfishing with all sorts of scientific sounding claims of tonnages caught and how the anchovy fish stocks were decimated and would never recover.
Right at the end of the paper was a short comment from the author to the effect that the old fishermen said that it happens regularly around Christmas and they called it El Nino because of the Christ Child appearing then and yes, the anchovies would be back in big numbers next year and the anchovy fishing would be good.
Dismissed of course as that of course was just poor, uneducated Peruvian fishermen talking and they really didn’t understand about over fishing.
Nothing has changed in the arrogance of the academic class except thankfully via the net, we can now see the stupidity, futility and uselessness of so much of their claimed “research”.
With a world wide financial crash coming there will be a great weeding out of the science incompetents and much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the outer darkness as it finally comes home to many of these incompetents that they and their arrogance are expendable.

Alpha Tango
November 25, 2011 1:02 am

@Lew – “Bloody denialist caribou…” – thats funny 🙂

November 25, 2011 2:11 am

If only the aboriginal elders had made their statement in a peer reviewed journal they might have been believed.
If it’s not in a journal it’s not true. (If it’s not in, it’s not in lol)

John Marshall
November 25, 2011 2:14 am

Just like the polar bear, caribou not only move around but have survived previous warm periods without any trouble.
This only confirms that the real problem is the alarmist ‘scientists’.

JustMEinT Musings
November 25, 2011 2:21 am

got to luv them cariboo …… the science is in therefore cariboo don’t exist – HA! They came out of hiding HURRAH for the cariboo

November 25, 2011 3:06 am

Sometime later today I might stop laughing long enough to post a comment…

November 25, 2011 3:13 am

Most of our urbanite warmer friends probably think a caribou is some kind of conifer tree and thus immobile.

Bloke down the pub
November 25, 2011 4:02 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
November 24, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Kate, always great to hear from you, loved the comment. For those who do not know her, Kate McMillan is the Canadian genius behind the site. Click on her name above and bookmark her site, it’s a great resource and always full of fun.
But this time the animals are not so small, and not so dead.

dave ward
November 25, 2011 4:04 am

A tiny story in a UK daily paper today:
THE traditional Eskimo ways of life of the Inuits in Greenland could vanish by 2035 because of global warming, say scientists.
No references, unfortunately, and I haven’t been able to find a likely source. The 2035 number throws up lots of links to the debunked Himalayan Glaciers melting story.
Keep the scare rolling…

November 25, 2011 4:08 am

total b/s are they game to tell there grand kids that crap

Ian B
November 25, 2011 5:01 am

Mike Bromley
Surely the caribou can’t survive a 1 degree C change in temperature – after all, it is well known that they die off and disappear every spring as it warms up. Oh, sorry, that’s snow I’m thinking of…

November 25, 2011 5:26 am

You can`t really blame the scientiest, those caribou refuse to cooperate. My guess is that this rude behavior from the caribou is due to global warming, which is altering their natural good nature.

Roger Knights
November 25, 2011 5:27 am

crosspatch says:
November 24, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Just another brick in the wall.

Roger Knights
November 25, 2011 5:41 am

pat says:
November 25, 2011 at 12:31 am
hmmm! still beieving though….

They’re backing away from the consensus in small, politically/socially acceptable steps. This has happened before in science. Examples I’ve read about include the way that incorrect values assigned by consensus to certain fundamental constants were chipped away at in steps over the years to arrive at the correct value, although those making the corrections (except the last) must have realized that a larger correction was needed. But, socially/politically, that was a bridge too far.

long pig
November 25, 2011 6:14 am

Here’s another politically incorrect thing about caribou. You and I have around 1 Bq / kg of radioactive Pb210 / Po 210 (supported alpha decay of Po210) in our bones. This is natural radioactivity, associated with radon, although people wonder if this is harmful – after all, we are told there is no threshold for radiation carcinogenesis.
Caribou have between 500 and 3000 Bq / kg – i.e. about a thousand times more than we have. This has nothing to do with human activity, and does them no harm. (Its from the lichens that they eat in the tundra.)
So caribou are double denialists – both of AGW, and of the radiation LNT (linear no threshold) hypothesis.

The Iconoclast
November 25, 2011 6:37 am

Hide the caribou!

Ian L. McQueen
November 25, 2011 6:42 am

I just sent the following letter to Quirks and Quarks, the CBC radio’s “science” show. While it seems neutral on most science questions, it continually pushes the AGW barrow. I feel that it will do no harm to try to steer them back to facts. (If I heard a promo for this Saturday’s program they are going to talk about a 10°F warming in the “antarctic, melting glaciers, etc. Probably taking the Antarctic Peninsula as “Antarctica”, as the CBC has done before (as with an earlier shameful program featuring Alanna Mitchell).
Quirks and Quarks
CBC Toronto
Here is a science story with a Canadian setting, and it is good news. I
can’t wait to hear it covered in depth by Q&Q.
Best regards.
Ian L. McQueen
Glenwood, NB

November 25, 2011 7:24 am

A similar “event” occurred with gray whales back in the 1990s. A Mexican “intellectual” (a poet actually) flew over the popular calving lagoon of San Ignacio, but couldn’t find but a few whales. He promptly issued a press release that global warming had driven the whales out of the lagoon and the species was doomed. He had seen the evidence with his own eyes!
It turns out the flyover was done in late November. The gray whale migration out of the Arctic usually doesn’t start until late October and the bulk of the population doesn’t arrive at the Baja lagoons until late December. The whale counts in February/March showed noting out of the ordinary.

Gail Combs
November 25, 2011 7:40 am

Speaking of vanishing animals here is a story of why the polar bears are “Vanishing”

Polar Bear Conspiracy Theory – August 29, 2006
……..Last year, the Canadian Wildlife Service released the results of their latest three-year aerial study of the western Hudson Bay polar bear population. Essentially, researchers fly along the coast of Hudson Bay, shoot polar bears with tranquilizer darts from a helicopter, take measurements of body weight and general health, extract a tooth to age them, tattoo their lip or ear tag them and then mark their shoulder so that they do not handle them again.
Results of this study indicate that in less than ten years, the western Hudson Bay polar bear population has dropped from around 1200 polar bears to 950 polar bears. A 20% decline is definitely alarming and seemingly proof of the detrimental effects of climate change.
But, of course, there is a slightly different theory in Churchill. People up here are seeing more mothers with cubs (including triplets) and just generally more bears – this, of course, could be due to changing wildlife patterns but a lot of people up here simply believe that bears are learning to recognize the sound of helicopters and this affects the research results.
When I used to drive for Tundra Buggy, you could recognize when helicopters were approaching before any human could see or hear it. Every bear in the area would raise its head and some would even get up and walk or run away; quite confusing for the human observer, that is, until the helicopter appears about thirty seconds later.
I have also seen bears recognize and hide from the Polar Bear Alert truck and hunker down in a clump of willows when the helicopter is called out to relocate a problem bear. Many bears learn through only one repetition and many people up here think that polar bears have simply learned to hide from the helicopter. (If mothers can teach cubs to return annually to the garbage dump, why not teach them to avoid a dart in the neck?) ……

Seems poley bears are not dumb animals. Heck if a darn sheep can learn to avoid a catching pen after getting its first immunization shot at two months, I have no problem thinking a poley bear can recognize the sound of a helicopter. My animals can tell the difference between the diesel in the feed truck and the diesel in the truck that hauls the trailer. And both engines are Cummins in dodge pkups.

November 25, 2011 7:42 am

Dennis Nikols says:
November 24, 2011 at 11:07 pm
I was just going to comment on them ignoring the uneducated people who more often than not are right. the unmitigated arrogance of these fools is the problem.

November 25, 2011 7:47 am

I would like to believe that the “Climate Scientists” have finally jumped the shark. But political correctness demands adherence to The Narrative. None of these “revelations” will reach the ears of true believers. And we have a whole generation of children who have grown up hearing about the reality and truth of AGW in the classroom. The debate is over, didn’t you know? Try engaging one of these children in discussion. It ends with, “You just hate polar bears, you lazy polluter”.
No real scientist believes in consensus. No real scientist cherry picks data. No real scientist attacks people who disagree. No real scientist conspires to confirm preconceived or required results. Real Scientists believe in the scientific method. They embrace peer review and welcome dissent. They engage in the process of explanation of their theory and seek opportunity to share data with peers who can then replicate results and educate the “masses” about what is going on. If anything. But none of that is happening and the scientist involved are not interested in creating that environment of learning.
AGW is worse than religious faith, as it has damaged the reputation of real scientists, minimized and marginalized the scientific method, and artificially promoted the politicization of science. People who ask honest, inquisitive questions are shouted down and berated. People who point out inconsistency, bias and even coercion are ignored or attacked. And people who don’t adhere to the narrative are… well, stupid.
And we think a second e-mail dump is going to have ANY impact on this? There is way too much money, power, ego and prestige to turn back now, much less admit that there has been any sort of scientific malfeasance.

November 25, 2011 8:06 am

“THE traditional Eskimo ways of life of the Inuits in Greenland could vanish by 2035 because of global warming, say scientists.”
Actually it’s the other way around. The population of Greenland is currently about 60,000. There is NO WAY more than a few thousand people could possibly support themselves by hunting in Greenland, and most people there have already largely abandoned the traditional way of life (which inter alii obliged the oldest son to fulfil the sad but unavoidable duty to kill his parents as painlessly as possible, when they could no longer keep up with nomadic life).
But if Global Warming makes the Ice Cap melt it will open up more than 1,800,000 square kilometers of new hunting grounds….

November 25, 2011 8:09 am

Yes, but what if sheer population pressure would drive an ever swelling number of polar bears, thriving in a slightly less chilly Arctic, ashore to hunt on the huge swath of tundra in northern Saskatchewan, causing untold suffering to the young and crippled of the recently re-discovered vast herd of northern caribou in an unprecedented blood bath? How the poor fluffy beings (of both kind) are supposed to be recompensed? Is not a joint bear-caribou arbitration tax is in order, running to no less than twice the amount of profits any evil venture on the face of Mother Earth may make?
Anyway, it is certainly worse than we thought.

Tim C
November 25, 2011 8:10 am

“Nylo says:
November 24, 2011 at 10:00 pm
So, when they originally proposed that 276000 Caribou had suddenly died to Climate Change, why nobody went and asked the basic question that we have seen Willis ask several times here in WUWT in a more general context? i.e. WHERE ARE THE CORPSES? It is amazing that they can publish something like that and get away with it.”
Must be dead, can’t see any Carabou poo.
Shut it.

James Allen
November 25, 2011 8:35 am

The caribou strike again! Back in the 1970’s, when the Alaskan Pipeline was proposed and built, the environmental folks sued, saying the pipeline would block the caribou from their traditional calving grounds, causing a massive decline in populations. The pipeline was built, and the caribou simply calved on the other side of the pipeline. One environmental lawyer involved with the lawsuits told me that he felt betrayed by the caribou, as he had been certain his group could have stopped the pipeline from being completed. Way to go, caribou!

G. Karst
November 25, 2011 8:42 am

The caribou were merely hiding out on the back of the Canadian quarter. I know, because I saw them there. Poor polar bears have only white coke cans to hide on. I hope nobody is buying those white coke cans as it may be their last refuge. GK

Gail Combs
November 25, 2011 8:53 am

The sad thing is the Alarmist Screaming always hits the front page in large caps while the reasoned retractions (not attention grabbers) are on pg 32 below the fold in tiny type.

November 25, 2011 8:57 am

I was kind of wondering if the caribou had moved to the north or to the south. Then I got a grip on myself and remembered, what does it really matter. Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Wet/Dry Hot/Cold.

Al Gored
November 25, 2011 9:05 am

That junk conclusion about the vanished caribou is a product of my favorite topic, the junk science called ‘Conservation Biology.’ The same ‘science’ that can conclude that sees the highest polar bear population in recorded history, and probably recent prehistory, is disappearing. As I have noted here many times, this model-based post-normal “mission oriented” [read “missionary”] so called science is WORSE than global climastrology. And, yes, I know that that is hard to believe!
Watch also for the BS campaign about the woodland caribou. Like the whole recent ‘concern’ for the boreal forest and boreal forest species, the real target of that is the cash cow of the boreal called the Alberta oil sands. They are doing all they can to extort money out of that.
One of the big spins of these caribou stories are Big Lies about wolves, their populations, and their impact on caribou. So whenever you see the name [Dr.] Paul Paquet, your BS detectors need to be on full alert.

November 25, 2011 9:21 am

Strangely, any “lost” caribou can probably be found in Yamal, cozying up to the very epicenter of Warming, YAD06. As I recall, the people there subsist partially by tending a total of about 500,000 free range caribou.

November 25, 2011 9:31 am

I think the Caribou were off hiding Trenberth’s missing heat.

John F. Hultquist
November 25, 2011 9:34 am

dave ward says:
November 25, 2011 at 4:04 am
A tiny story in a UK daily paper today:
No references, unfortunately, and I haven’t been able to find a likely source.

They need a source? Since when?
I did read something similar (I think it was in the Nat. Geog. Mag.) about a year ago. Researchers went with locals using dog sleds to cover distances that included crossing ice-covered bays or estuaries. The surfaces were said to be softer and the ice thinner or unstable. Sorry that I didn’t pay enough attention to this to file it somewhere. It seemed to me at the time (and still does) that it was just another “natural variability” story and about as important as Caribou moving about. I don’t recall a date for the end-of-life estimate or even if there was one.
You could call or write the Paper for a source.

Dan Pangburn
November 25, 2011 9:36 am

Atmospheric carbon dioxide has had no significant effect on average global temperature as demonstrated in detail in the pdf made public 11/24/11 at

chuck in st paul
November 25, 2011 10:47 am

To paraphrase one of my favorite Generals, Russel Honoré – “Boy, you’re stuck on stupid!”

John F. Hultquist
November 25, 2011 11:14 am

Gail Combs says:
November 25, 2011 at 8:53 am
The sad thing is the Alarmist Screaming always hits the front page in large caps while the reasoned retractions (not attention grabbers) are on pg 32 below the fold in tiny type.

Am I the only person on the planet that reads newspapers and magazines in reverse? It’s the ‘skeptical way’.

November 25, 2011 11:31 am

Dan Pangburn says:
November 25, 2011 at 9:36 am
Atmospheric carbon dioxide has had no significant effect on average global temperature as demonstrated in detail in the pdf made public 11/24/11 at
Thanks, I’ve read it and filed it to look at again. But if you don’t give me half of your Big Oil money, I’m gonna tell on you.

Gary Pearse
November 25, 2011 11:38 am

Back in the 1930s a permanent herd of buffalo was found to be well established in the Carmacks area Yukon Territory, Canada. They disappeared I believe in 1950s and spe
cialists like this post’s Cariboudioxide Biogolleyists reckoned that deeper snows in the 50s resulted in the herd perishing (they didn’t teach these guys in those days either about the expectation that their should have have been a lot of bodies, and big ones at that- Willis’s major contribution to ecologly).
In 1969 I was prospecting for a mining company in the Snag River area near the Kluane Range. A. Competitor’s helicopter dropped into our camp and an excited Dutch geologist yelled a herd of. Muskoxen were heading towards our camp. I jumped in the copter and what did I see? A “lost” herd of very healthy buffalol that had moved into the shadow zone of the Kluane where little snow fell and they could get forage all year round. I’ll bet the aboriginals knew where they had gione too.

Patrick Peake
November 25, 2011 2:50 pm

In some ways it will be sad when the global warming muth is finally killed. I really enjoy all the jokes that bloggers bring out to burst the bubble. this thread has been particularly good.

Just curious
November 25, 2011 3:27 pm

Just a peripheral question: I vaguely remember in the 1970’s(?) when the James Bay project was finished, that vast bodies of water were created across the traditional caribou migration routes.
In the first migration after the project finished, thousands of caribou drowned while trying to swim across these new bodies of water.
What ever happened in subsequent years? Do the caribou still migrate? Do they still drown?
Does anybody know about this?

November 25, 2011 3:53 pm

I thought their story on polar bears originated because they tranquilized a couple and the bears were too heavy to pull into their boat, so they let them drown. Then counted them as dying from climate change.
Complete arrant nonsense about caribou. Have done helicopter mustering. The pilots think they have 100% sight of the ground. They have about 80%. I tested it by standing in the shade of a tree . They did not see me. Next test standing in the shade, I waved my arms fully over my head. Again, the pilot did not see me.
In the Northern Territory, helicopters are used to muster wild cattle in Arnhem Land. I spoke to a man who lived and mustered there. He said the cattle learned to dive under the bullrushes and paragrass and lie still until the chopper had flown away. Later a documentary filmed the same thing.
Graze animals are prey and just because warmists and assorted greens heads are full of rubbish, does not change the prey animal response one iota.

November 25, 2011 6:04 pm

Mmmmm …roast caribou …

November 25, 2011 6:29 pm

97% of all caribou believe man-made global warming is real.

November 25, 2011 6:57 pm

And I thought the polar bears ate the caribou. Maybe they can be trained to eat alarmists. We’ll just send them up north to do ‘research.’

November 25, 2011 11:07 pm

samadamsvoice – there was, somewhere, a wonderful quote about the subservience of – I believe it was Molotov – to Stalin, to the effect that he’d sit trouserless on a block of ice if Stalin told him to do so.
Should some accident of history elect me President, there’d be a lot of federally-paid “climatologists” whose only route to their pensions would be through a lot of hands-on experience with north-of-the-Arctic-Circle thermometers.

Nigel S
November 26, 2011 2:15 am

Apologies for quoting Auden again but it is a perfect fit. ‘Silently and very fast.’ probably explains their difficulties.
Fall of Rome
W H Auden
The Fall of Rome (extract)
Unendowed with wealth or pity,
Little birds with scarlet legs,
Sitting on their speckled eggs,
Eye each flu-infected city.
Altogether elsewhere, vast
Herds of reindeer move across
Miles and miles of golden moss,
Silently and very fast.

Keith Sketchley
November 26, 2011 10:30 am

This report joins the Irahwadi [sp?] dolphins, Antarctic krill, gray whales, giant squid, and other cases of animals moving around or alarmists simply not looking in likely places regardless.
Leads me to wonder if the hare-lynx population roller coaster in northern Canada is just the animals moving around to find different food. (Researchers have found strong correlation of apparent population fluctuation to the Arctic Oscillation, but no causal mechanism. I’ve seen the population boom-bust phenomenon in a farming area of NE BC, but had no ability to look elsewhere. A popular theory back then was that willow trees developed resistance by becoming bitter tasting, but recent research indicates that is not a likely cause.)
(I hear similar claims about bluefin tuna and Atlantic cod, but don’t have good leads to sources.)

David Ball
November 26, 2011 3:59 pm

Same spot Suzuki’s salmon were hiding in would be my bet. 8^D

November 26, 2011 11:20 pm

JEM says:
November 25, 2011 at 11:07 pm
Should some accident of history elect me President, there’d be a lot of federally-paid “climatologists” whose only route to their pensions would be through a lot of hands-on experience with north-of-the-Arctic-Circle thermometers.
Or more up their alley, they could set up another “doo” line.

November 27, 2011 7:55 pm

the earth is warming,,,it’s called the end of the ice age, yes we are still in the ice age and it’s getting warmer because it is ending, the poles we be ice free again, just like through out earth’s history of normal cycles…..

November 28, 2011 1:46 pm

The majority of the herd of sheeple, will never notice until it’s too late. I can’t help them and neither can anybody else. Global warming is a scam to pass carbon taxes.

November 28, 2011 6:00 pm

The problbem here is pretty simple.. there are 2 parts:
#1 scientists deciding things without evidence
#2 journalists writing things without evidence.
These 2 problems are pretty much what’s sending the world down the toilet.

November 28, 2011 8:58 pm

When is global warming going to cause Liberals to Disapear??
Too bad Global Scaming is just another liberal farie tail.
So looks like we are stuck with them.

December 11, 2011 1:38 am

Péter Pangluum says:
November 25, 2011 at 8:09 am
Anyway, it is certainly worse than we thought.

Non, non, mon ami! Not only do we live in the best of all possible environments and climates, every day in every way it’s getting better and better!

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