BBC's Kirby admission to Phil Jones on "impartiality"

Alex Kirby Photo: BBC

Climategate 2.0 email 4894.txt shows just what Alex Kirby of BBC thinks of climate skeptics as he conveys it to Dr. Phil Jones. Clearly, there an incestuous relationship between climate science and the BBC.

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date: Wed Dec  8 08:25:30 2004

from: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.xx.xx>

subject: RE: something on new online.

to: “Alex Kirby” <alex.kirby@bbc.xxx.xx>

At 17:27 07/12/2004, you wrote:

Yes, glad you stopped this — I was sent it too, and decided to

spike it without more ado as pure stream-of-consciousness rubbish. I can

well understand your unhappiness at our running the other piece. But we

are constantly being savaged by the loonies for not giving them any

coverage at all, especially as you say with the COP in the offing, and

being the objective impartial (ho ho) BBC that we are, there is an

expectation in some quarters that we will every now and then let them

say something. I hope though that the weight of our coverage makes it

clear that we think they are talking through their hats.

—–Original Message—–

Prof. Phil Jones

Climatic Research Unit

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h/t to WUWT reader “varco”. If I lived in the UK, I’d stop paying my BBC TV and radio license.

Here’s the Wikipedia bio on Kirby:

Alex Kirby is a British journalist, specializing in environmental issues. He worked in various capacities at the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) for nearly 20 years. From 1987 to 1996, he was the environmental correspondent for BBC News, in radio and television. He left the BBC in 1998 to work as a freelance journalist. He also provides media skills training to companies, universities and NGOs. He is also currently the environmental correspondent for BBC News Online, and hosted BBC Radio 4‘s environment series, Costing the Earth. He has no formal scientific training.

He writes a regular column for BBC Wildlife magazine.

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oglidewell

When I first saw this posted on another site, I assumed that the “ho ho” had been added in by the poster, indicating their scepticism about the BBC. Now I’ve seen it here, and checked the file myself, I’m appalled, and ever more annoyed at the spin doctorism and blatant bias that I am forced to pay for through my license fee.

Colin in BC

`ho ho`
As in wink wink nudge nudge. These people have no shame.

Email is from 2004 before Harrabin and Black. Now it’s worse.

Biased BBC, a UK pressure blog, will have real fun with this little nugget.

A bunch of other links to Kirby, clearly considered to be a “sound chap” by the Team
2011 Email #2403 (1)
Regarding ECF and a media person. You could try Alex Kirby if Roger Harrabin is not free. Joe Smith will have other contacts. The other possibility is for a European link, possibly via a German magazine. Finally, if we try, we could penetrate The Economist as I have contacts there.
2011 Email #3935 (1)
1. Media involvement. I would suggest Roger Harrabin might be a better (alternate?) invitee to Alex Kirby. Simon Torok has recently had contact with him about media coverage of Jo’berg and he is also on the Advisory Board of Tyndall.
2011 Email #4028 (1)
>> > > phone
>> > > > chat with Alex Kirby, BBC, some time before the conference, where we
>> may
2011 Email #4655 (1)
For more mainstream people, I agree that Alex Kirby would make a good job
and is probably first choice. He would certainly come cheaper than Humphreys

py

I think everyone is taking this email out of context. As you can see it was sent in the month of December and Alex was doing his best Santa impersonation ready for the Christmas party whilst confirming that the BBC is an unbiased institution.

None

Kirby was soft compared to Richard Black, who is simply wall to wall hysterical AGW climate catastrophe.

also
2011 Email #0794 (1)
If you do it’s worth sending also to this guy, Alex Kirkby.
“Alex Kirby”
This guys higher up. He got them to check more the items they post
2011 Email #1485 (1)
I didn’t pursue with the BBC writing a follow up piece as it was so bad.
If you want to contact someone the Alex Kirby is the person to contact.
He is “Alex Kirby” . He is good. You might have
spoken to him when the GRL paper came out in 2003.

BritInMontreal

What are Alex Kirby’s qualifications? (if in anything)

Vince Causey

“If I lived in the UK, I’d stop paying my BBC TV and radio license.”
Anyone who is caught watching a tv without a licence in the UK faces the death penalty.
REPLY: No, they don’t. That’s ridiculous. Just a fine. – Anthony

S Basinger

“No Pressure”

EternalOptimist

Alex Kirby has a PHD in excel trend plotting, a BSc in BS and he majors in Father Christmas impersonations (Ho Ho)

DJ

A bit confused here….the email is dated 2004, but the Wiki shows Kirby leaving the BBC in 1998, 6 years prior. Then he becomes a correspondent of the BBC, which is not a management or editorial position.
While I’d like to believe that Kirby can be held responsible for what is, or isn’t published in 2004, that’s not consistent with the record of his employment shown here. I’d appreciate some clarification, because on the face of it we’re opening ourselves up to the same critical review that we’re exercising. He’s not in the management echelon, so there are higher powers.
We’re all well aware of the media bias and the repression of stories that counter the AGW position. We’re also tired of seeing again and again anyone who agrees with the AGW hypothesis is a “climatologist”, and anyone who doesn’t is a “denier” or “skeptic” which shows a clear bias by the media.
Kirby’s stated mission:

I think this video is well worth watching, so you can hear for yourself….his bias.

strawbale

Have a look Richard Blacks twitter page and its clear he has become Prof Jones official spokesperson/PR/ media spinner/ whitewash agent
RB is pure slime. At least have the integrity to stand up and declare your contempt for even attempting any kind of unbiased professional journalism

Mike Smith

> REPLY: No, they don’t. That’s ridiculous. Just a fine. – Anthony
It is a criminal offense and, in the past, people could be jailed for not having a license. I don’t think that’s the case any more however.

KPO

I remember well being tuned to BBC World just after the start of Copenhagen, (I was a phone-in on a previous show) and was naively hanging around after my 1 minute of fame, anyhow the program presenter, clearly an AGW devotee, was ramping up the warming mantra, but nearly choked when he crossed to a reporter North of Copenhagen who informed us that “it is bitterly cold and snowing heavily”. It was the shortest crossing in BBC history.

DirkH

DJ says:
November 24, 2011 at 11:17 am
“A bit confused here….the email is dated 2004, but the Wiki shows Kirby leaving the BBC in 1998, 6 years prior. Then he becomes a correspondent of the BBC, which is not a management or editorial position.”
Wikipedia does not consider itself a reliable source.

Theo Goodwin

I want to add this little tidbit from today’s Guardian.
“There shouldn’t be someone else at UEA with different views [from “recent extreme weather is due to global warming”] – at least not a climatologist.”
• Phil Jones, UEA, to Melissa Murphy, UEA, 23 Aug 2004 (email 1788)
“The TV programme Tonight with Trevor Macdonald is going to feature a colleague of Jones, David Viner, arguing that (then) recent extreme weather was a result of global warming. Jones is responding to a request via the press office for another member of the Climatic Research Unit to appear making the opposite argument. Jones is arguing it would “look odd” if two people with opposite views were from the same department and suggests the TV production team “could easily dredge someone up” from elsewhere.”
Notice that Ms. Jowit, a Guardian journalist, fails to comment on Jones’ statement and simply repeats Jones’ outrageously prejudicial assumption that UEA has no debate over this matter.
Unimaginable! You set out to cherry pick a dozen or so quotations that you can “explain” and all you can do is repeat the offensive prejudice recommended by Jones? I expect that Ms. Jowit will soon hit the street. It could not be that the Guardian editors are this blind – could it?

strawbale

Quite often the police will turn up with the license inspector, for added intimidation.

When it comes to Phil Jones and the BBC Confirmation of their Bias is indeed a good thing as it shows their confirmation bias.

Bloke down the pub

Vince Causey says:
November 24, 2011 at 11:10 am
“If I lived in the UK, I’d stop paying my BBC TV and radio license.”
Anyone who is caught watching a tv without a licence in the UK faces the death penalty.
REPLY: No, they don’t. That’s ridiculous. Just a fine. – Anthony
Whether it’s a fine or a prison sentence you;d be left with a criminal record. They do take it quite serious not paying for Auntie. As for the death penalty, that’s now reserved for sceptics who dare to say the Emporer has no clothes.

Wil

Sorry, the Brit “gubmint” collects TV license fee by law and funds the BBC. Sorta like the CBC here in Canada – funded by the taxpayers. Naturally the CBC and the BBC are so far left and so pro climate change you’d need nukes to remove their heads from their AGW/leftists rear ends. Ordinary explosives wouldn’t even tickle that lot. Yesterday while you all were playing Climategate 2.0 the CBC featured their headline – Arctic sea ice loss unprecedented in 1,450 years.
To this point in time neither the CBC not Canada’s supposed “national” newspaper the Globe and Mail never mentioned more leaked climate files. Nor on television. Climategate may well be a story here on this site BUT for entire nations no one even knows. In other words – this is a non story all over North America if not the known world itself. And most likely a non story on a few recently discovered planets.

Bloke down the pub

In the UK, the main thing to come from the recent releases may well turn out to be the realisation by Joe Public that the Beeb is not to be trusted.

Tim

Vince Causey says “Anyone who is caught watching a tv without a licence in the UK faces the death penalty.”
As Anthony says, “no they don’t”.
But the fine can be hefty and you can own a TV without watching it for broadcast programs, i.e. just for DVDs, and be harassed by officials who won’t go away and use threatening language.

theduke

These people aren’t scientists or science correspondents, they are PR hacks.

Ray Hudson

So Kirby is nothing more than a ho ho for the climate science pimp pimps. I see see.

Tobias Ostien

Anthony, stop and enjoy Thanksgiving my friend!!! You do and have done enough!

Tom_R

>> REPLY: No, they don’t. That’s ridiculous. Just a fine. – Anthony <<
If you refuse to pay the BBC, why would you pay the fine? Eventually the guys with guns will show up at your doorstep.

jorgekafkazar

strawbale says: “Quite often the police will turn up with the license inspector, for added intimidation.”
And he’s the one who gets to say: “Lassen Sie mich Ihre Papiere sehen!”

The joke is that if you stop paying, their privatised “inspectors” have no authority to search your home. If you refuse entry they can’t force their way in and have to find a magistrate and apply for a warrant – by which time the TV has been unplugged, packed into a box and stored in the loft. Their detectors can’t detect a flat screen and as long as you’ve not got a visible aerial …
It’s my understanding that a lot of people are starting to refuse to pay. The BBC is so biased to the Left it might as well be renamed as the Labour Party Mouthpiece. They are the single biggest subscriber to the other Left wing mouthpiece, The Guardian, and most of its “news” is just regurgitated from that.
Makes me glad I can no longer watch it at all – I’m outside their broadcast area.

AndrewR

Well it seems the BBC can’t influence you americans lol
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/8889541/BBC-drops-Frozen-Planets-climate-change-episode-to-sell-show-better-abroad.html
The BBC has dropped a climate change episode from its wildlife series Frozen Planet to help the show sell better abroad.
British viewers will see seven episodes, the last of which deals with global warming and the threat to the natural world posed by man.
However, viewers in other countries, including the United States, will only see six episodes.
The environmental programme has been relegated by the BBC to an “optional extra” alongside a behind-the-scenes documentary which foreign networks can ignore.
Campaigners said the decision not to incorporate the episode on global warming as part of the main package was “unhelpful”.
They added that it would allow those countries which are sceptical of climate change to “censor” the issue.

oldseadog

Tom R,
The one thing they won’t show up with is guns.
But it is interesting – or what we expected, in fact – that I have seen nothing in the press nor heard or seen on the airwaves about the new e-mail release.

clipe

Missing meat found?
“AP, they found your missing caribou”
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/46673
BBC? Nada.

Streetcred

” … being the objective impartial (ho ho) BBC that we are … ”
And, we all know what a “ho” is, right?

Ah… “Costing the Earth” – I think they did a whole program base[d] on “80 litres of diesel in the tank of a 4*4 has enough energy to run an entire average British household for a year” gag …
When confronted by remonstrating listeners the producer at the time I think it was – blathered on about an order of magnitude difference being a “minor thing” and that the show was “jolly well done and entertaining” and that the mistake didn’t affect the point the “show” was attempting to make….
You couldn’t make it up, or in the case of Al Jabibi – See you can and do pretty much all the time and it’s exceeding tiresome.

Wil

BTW, the planet is warming, period. Fact – all of us Canadians wouldn’t have a Canada to call home if it wasn’t. Moreover, this isn’t my nation’s first rodeo with warming – I live in Alberta which was once covered by a vast inland sea all the way down to the Gulf of Mexico. The results of that period is reflected in the oil sands here in Fort McMurray, Alberta. One is the resulting oil sands. Two – we often dig up intact remains of marine species from that particular period and can be seen in the Drumheller Museum in Southern Alberta.
Here I have given two examples of historical climate change – all without man’s intervention in any way. IN the current hysteria we’ve become lost in all the modern day studies intent on blaming mankind – somehow we’ve lost track of the historical facts as I mentioned. Historically, there IS something out there that switches the earth to ice and then back to warm. WHY? WHAT? And it sure as hell wasn’t mankind. Or Jones, or Mann. Why aren’t we even looking? Seriously?

Streetcred

py says:
November 24, 2011 at 11:05 am
I think everyone is taking this email out of context. As you can see it was sent in the month of December and Alex was doing his best Santa impersonation ready for the Christmas party whilst confirming that the BBC is an unbiased institution.
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The positioning of the “ho ho” in the body of the text puts it perfectly into context.

jason

I think the death penalty thing may have been a joke, possibly lost in trans-atlantic-lation….
I have to agree with another commenter. Nobody knows or cares about C2.0. Its not even been mentioned on most news channels. It has been smoothly raked over.
FOIA failed. So either he/she releases the password and we all hope that the rest of the emails contain real dynamite, or we buy generators for when the power fails and sit back and watch the gree movement take over the world.

Andrew Harding

“I hope though that the weight of our coverage makes it
clear that we think they are talking through their hats”
As opposed to the AGW brigade who talk through their a****.

Andrew Harding

Just had a thought after my last posting:
a**** can be either American with two s’s or British with rs!
Like I say, just a thought and totally irrelevant to this important debate.

Athelstan

If you don’t live in Britain, it is very hard to contexturalise just how much sway the beeb has over most British folk’s consciousness.
Without doubt, the beeb has been responsible for the insinuation of values and thinking antithetical to our British tradition. In doing so, the BBC has brought about a relentless and pernicious change in British society’s mores.
In Britain, the political elite and chatterati were and are decidedly left leaning and ineffably biased towards big government and the consequent micro-management of all facets of people’s lives. Constantly tinkering and not enabling the people [by dumbing down and infantilisation of education], because: the ‘proletariat’ cannot be trusted to chose and be masters of their own destiny.
There is little choice in the matter, from cradle to grave: the government ‘looks after you’ whether you like it or not.
Since 1973, when Britain joined the ‘common market’ now better known as the European Union, this vast social engineering project has gone on apace. To most, it is known as Cultural Marxism, the Beeb’s output is overtly politicised, from comedy through to documentaries and news programmes and the Cultural Marxism of the Frankfurt school ideologies pervades it’s corridors, offices, executives and studios.
In Britain, the beeb means everything pro EU ideals, which are; rigid equality and multiculturalism and an absolutist Political correctness, centralised federal and non-democratic control, permanent re-alignment of the Northern European demographic identity and much else besides.
Green issues and their Utopian [and impossible] ideals are the organic ‘meat and drink’ of the BBC. Small wonder then that the BBC fell for the great AGW scam – it meant terrestrial Nirvana and they fell into it with a fundamentalist glee.
Anyone who does not conform to the beeb perceived norm, is a loony – ho ho.

Fred Streeter

And if the BBC exhibited a bias towards one’s prejudices, would you notice? Or would you congratulate them on their fair and unbiased approach to the news?
I am quite happy to watch the BBC News and allow for bias, I haven’t discovered a lack of bias in any other news sources – so better the devil …

Neil Jones

Vince Causey says:
November 24, 2011 at 11:10 am
“If I lived in the UK, I’d stop paying my BBC TV and radio license.”
Anyone who is caught watching a tv without a licence in the UK faces the death penalty.
REPLY: No, they don’t. That’s ridiculous. Just a fine. – Anthony

CORRECTION:- Sorry Anthony but they face a large fine and possible imprisonment

DirkH

jason says:
November 24, 2011 at 12:50 pm
“FOIA failed. So either he/she releases the password and we all hope that the rest of the emails contain real dynamite, or we buy generators for when the power fails and sit back and watch the gree movement take over the world.”
China and Russia are part of the world.

DirkH

Fred Streeter says:
November 24, 2011 at 1:01 pm
“I am quite happy to watch the BBC News and allow for bias, I haven’t discovered a lack of bias in any other news sources – so better the devil …”
I read the BBC news to see what the warmists are up to.

Spen

Sorry Anthony but you do not appreciate the seriousness of failing to pay the BBC licence fee in the UK. The Courts take a very dim view of this, otherwise the majority would do it. There is no defence that the courts seem to accept. All the political parties are in hock to the BBC and scared stiff of the consequences. It’s called freedom of the press except that the punters have no choice but to pay. if you are subject to a fine this results in a criminal record and results in all sorts of fearsome things such as a ban on looking after the young / old, increased insurance premiums etc,etc. So when Vince Causey says the penalty is the death sentence he is not being literal but speaking of the death of freedom.

pat

Who are the loonies now Alex?

Al Gored

No surprise. Just watching their daily AGW doomsday ‘news’ coverage in the pre-Climategate era told anyone all they needed to know. So did the fact that they said NOTHING about the Climategate event until much later, when they were presumably forced to by the real world response – and then they just spun that story.
I saw the relative silence on Climategate as a proxy for the AGW bias in media organizations, and the BBC was among the top prize winners for that.
P.S. Just last night the BBC chose to feature some late-opening ski areas in Austria as an AGW poster child – complete with a mention of more frequent fires – although now they just imply the message rather than openly stating it. That is how they do things now. Subliminal. Like finding an example of some kind of ‘extreme’ weather to feature daily, even if it is a flooded street in some obscure town nobody would have ever heard of before video cameras were everywhere and the BBC was looking so diligently for them. And, now, no surprise, the IPCC wants to talk about extreme weather to the suitably softened up public.
In the meantime, somehow they forgot to report all the early ski hill openings in the Western US, or anything else that doesn’t fit their propaganda.

JoeH

py says:
November 24, 2011 at 11:05 am
” I think everyone is taking this email out of context. As you can see it was sent in the month of December and Alex was doing his best Santa impersonation ready for the Christmas party whilst confirming that the BBC is an unbiased institution.”
Nope, that can’t be it, not with just “ho, ho,” – sure everyone knows that when it comes to Christmas: Jesus has Three Wise Men … and – Santa has three “ho’s”….
…e.g. “Ho! Ho! Ho! little man(n) have I got a surprise for you.
(This comment is certified double entendre free. Any similarity to double entendre’s living or deceased is entirely coincidental )