
Dr. Richard Lindzen writes to me with news of this significant new paper saying “It has taken almost 2 years to get this out. “. Part of that problem appears to be hostile reviewers in earlier submissions to JGR, something we’ve seen recently with other skeptical papers, such as O’Donnell’s rebuttal to Steig et al (Antarctica is warming) where Steig himself inappropriately served as a reviewer, and a hostile one at that.
Hostile reviewers aside, the paper will now be published in an upcoming issue of the Asia-Pacific Journal of Atmospheric Sciences and I am honored to be able to be able to present it here. The authors state that:
“We have corrected the approach of Lindzen and Choi (2009), based on all the criticisms made of the earlier work (Chung et al., 2010; Murphy, 2010; Trenberth et al., 2010).”
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The present paper responds to the criticism, and corrects the earlier approach where appropriate. The earlier results are not significantly altered, and we show why these results differ from what others like Trenberth et al. (2010), and Dessler (2010) obtain.
So, while that may satisfy some critics, given the hostility shown to the idea that there is a low sensitivity to forcings, I’m sure a whole new crop of critics will spring up for this paper. The response to this paper in AGW proponent circles, like the feedback posited for Earth’s climate system, will surely be negative. Let the games begin.
Some highlights:
However, warming from a doubling of CO2 would only be about 1°C (based on simple calculations where the radiation altitude and the Planck temperature depend on wavelength in accordance with the attenuation coefficients of wellmixed CO2 molecules; a doubling of any concentration in ppmv produces the same warming because of the logarithmic dependence of CO2’s absorption on the amount of CO2) (IPCC, 2007).
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This modest warming is much less than current climate models suggest for a doubling of CO2. Models predict warming of from 1.5°C to 5°C and even more for a doubling of CO2
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As a result, the climate sensitivity for a doubling of CO2 is estimated to be 0.7 K (with the confidence interval 0.5K – 1.3 K at 99% levels). This observational result shows that model sensitivities indicated by the IPCC AR4 are likely greater than than the possibilities estimated from the observations.
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Our analysis of the data only demands relative instrumental stability over short periods, and is largely independent of long term drift.
Willis Eschenbach will no doubt find some interesting things in this paper, as it speaks of some of the same regulation mechanisms in the tropics as Willis has opined on here at WUWT. Here’s the Abstract and Conclusion, a link to the full paper follows:
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On the Observational Determination of Climate Sensitivity and Its Implications
Richard S. Lindzen1 and Yong-Sang Choi2
1Program in Atmospheres, Oceans, and Climate, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, U. S. A.
2Department of Environmental Science and Engineering, Ewha Womans University, Seoul, Korea
Asia-Pacific J. Atmos. Sci., 47(4), 377-390, 2011 DOI:10.1007/s13143-011-0023-x
Abstract:
We estimate climate sensitivity from observations, using the deseasonalized fluctuations in sea surface temperatures (SSTs) and the concurrent fluctuations in the top-of-atmosphere (TOA) outgoing radiation from the ERBE (1985-1999) and CERES (2000-2008) satellite instruments. Distinct periods of warming and cooling in the SSTs were used to evaluate feedbacks. An earlier study (Lindzen and Choi, 2009) was subject to significant criticisms. The present paper is an expansion of the earlier paper where the various criticisms are taken into account. The present analysis accounts for the 72 day precession period for the ERBE satellite in a more appropriate manner than in the earlier paper. We develop a method to distinguish noise in the outgoing radiation as well as radiation changes that are forcing SST changes from those radiation changes that constitute feedbacks to changes in SST. We demonstrate that our new method does moderately well in distinguishing positive from negative feedbacks and in quantifying negative feedbacks. In contrast, we show that simple regression methods used by several existing papers generally exaggerate positive feedbacks and even show positive feedbacks when actual feedbacks are negative. We argue that feedbacks are largely concentrated in the tropics, and the tropical feedbacks can be adjusted to account for their impact on the globe as a whole. Indeed, we show that including all CERES data (not just from the tropics) leads to results similar to what are obtained for the tropics alone – though with more noise. We again find that the outgoing radiation resulting from SST fluctuations exceeds the zerofeedback response thus implying negative feedback. In contrast to
this, the calculated TOA outgoing radiation fluxes from 11 atmospheric models forced by the observed SST are less than the zerofeedback response, consistent with the positive feedbacks that characterize these models. The results imply that the models are
exaggerating climate sensitivity.
Conclusion:
We have corrected the approach of Lindzen and Choi (2009), based on all the criticisms made of the earlier work (Chung et al., 2010; Murphy, 2010; Trenberth et al., 2010). First of all, to improve the statistical significance of the results, we supplemented ERBE data with CERES data, filtered out data noise with 3-month smoothing, objectively chose the intervals based on the smoothed data, and provided confidence intervals for all sensitivity estimates. These constraints helped us to more accurately obtain climate feedback factors than with the original use of monthly data. Next, our new formulas for climate feedback
and sensitivity reflect sharing of tropical feedback with the globe, so that the tropical region is now properly identified as an open system. Last, the feedback factors inferred from the atmospheric models are more consistent with IPCC-defined climate sensitivity
than those from the coupled models. This is because, in the presence of cloud-induced radiative changes altering SST, the climate feedback estimates by the present approach tends to be inaccurate. With all corrections, the conclusion still appears to be
that all current models seem to exaggerate climate sensitivity (some greatly). Moreover, we have shown why studies using simple regressions of ΔFlux on ΔSST serve poorly to determine feedbacks.
To respond to the criticism of our emphasis on the tropical domain (Murphy, 2010; Trenberth et al., 2010), we analyzed the complete record of CERES for the globe (Dessler, 2010) (Note that ERBE data is not available for the high latitudes since the field-of-view is between 60oS and 60oN). As seen in the previous section, the use of the global CERES record leads to a result that is basically similar to that from the tropical data in this
study. The global CERES record, however, contains more noise than the tropical record.
This result lends support to the argument that the water vapor feedback is primarily restricted to the tropics, and there are reasons to suppose that this is also the case for cloud feedbacks. Although, in principle, climate feedbacks may arise from any
latitude, there are substantive reasons for supposing that they are, indeed, concentrated mostly in the tropics. The most prominent model feedback is that due to water vapor, where it is commonly noted that models behave roughly as though relative humidity
were fixed. Pierrehumbert (2009) examined outgoing radiation as a function of surface temperature theoretically for atmospheres with constant relative humidity. His results are shown in Fig. 13.

Specific humidity is low in the extratropics, while it is high in the tropics. We see that for extratropical conditions, outgoing radiation closely approximates the Planck black body radiation (leading to small feedback). However, for tropical conditions, increases in outgoing radiation are suppressed, implying substantial positive feedback. There are also reasons to suppose that cloud feedbacks are largely confined to the tropics. In the
extratropics, clouds are mostly stratiform clouds that are associated with ascending air while descending regions are cloudfree. Ascent and descent are largely determined by the large scale wave motions that dominate the meteorology of the extratropics, and for these waves, we expect approximately 50% cloud cover regardless of temperature (though details may depend on temperature). On the other hand, in the tropics, upper level clouds, at least, are mostly determined by detrainment from cumulonimbus towers, and cloud coverage is observed to depend significantly on temperature (Rondanelli and Lindzen, 2008).
As noted by LCH01, with feedbacks restricted to the tropics, their contribution to global sensitivity results from sharing the feedback fluxes with the extratropics. This led to inclusion of the sharing factor c in Eq. (6). The choice of a larger factor c leads to
a smaller contribution of tropical feedback to global sensitivity, but the effect on the climate sensitivity estimated from the observation is minor. For example, with c = 3, climate sensitivity from the observation and the models is 0.8 K and a higher value
(between 1.3 K and 6.4 K), respectively. With c = 1.5, global equilibrium sensitivity from the observation and the models is 0.6 K and any value higher than 1.6 K, respectively. Note that, as in LCH01, we are not discounting the possibility of feedbacks in the extratropics, but rather we are focusing on the tropical contribution to global feedbacks. Note that, when the dynamical heat transports toward the extratropics are taken into account, the overestimation of tropical feedback by GCMs may lead to even greater overestimation of climate sensitivity (Bates, 2011).
This emphasizes the importance of the tropical domain itself. Our analysis of the data only demands relative instrumental stability over short periods, and is largely independent of long term drift. Concerning the different sampling from the ERBE and CERES instruments, Murphy et al. (2009) repeated the Forster and Gregory (2006) analysis for the CERES and found very different values than those from the ERBE. However, in this
study, the addition of CERES data to the ERBE data does little to change the results for ΔFlux/ΔSST – except that its value is raised a little (as is also true when only CERES data is used.). This may be because these previous simple regression approaches include
the distortion of feedback processes by equilibration. In distinguishing a precise feedback from the data, the simple regression method is dependent on the data period, while our method is not. The simple regression result in Fig. 7 is worse if the model
integration time is longer (probably due to the greater impact of increasing radiative forcing).
Our study also suggests that, in current coupled atmosphereocean models, the atmosphere and ocean are too weakly coupled since thermal coupling is inversely proportional to sensitivity (Lindzen and Giannitsis, 1998). It has been noted by Newman et al. (2009) that coupling is crucial to the simulation of phenomena like El Niño. Thus, corrections of the sensitivity of current climate models might well improve the behavior of coupled
models, and should be encouraged. It should be noted that there have been independent tests that also suggest sensitivities less than predicted by current models. These tests are based on the response to sequences of volcanic eruptions (Lindzen and Giannitsis, 1998), on the vertical structure of observed versus modeled temperature increase (Douglass, 2007; Lindzen, 2007), on ocean heating (Schwartz, 2007; Schwartz, 2008), and on
satellite observations (Spencer and Braswell, 2010). Most claims of greater sensitivity are based on the models that we have just shown can be highly misleading on this matter. There have also been attempts to infer sensitivity from paleoclimate data (Hansen
et al., 1993), but these are not really tests since the forcing is essentially unknown given major uncertainties in clouds, dust loading and other factors. Finally, we have shown that the attempts to obtain feedbacks from simple regressions of satellite measured outgoing radiation on SST are inappropriate.
One final point needs to be made. Low sensitivity of global mean temperature anomaly to global scale forcing does not imply that major climate change cannot occur. The earth has, of course, experienced major cool periods such as those associated with ice ages and warm periods such as the Eocene (Crowley and North, 1991). As noted, however, in Lindzen (1993), these episodes were primarily associated with changes in the equatorto-
pole temperature difference and spatially heterogeneous forcing. Changes in global mean temperature were simply the residue of such changes and not the cause.
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Dr. Lindzen has the full paper on his personal website here:
http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/236-Lindzen-Choi-2011.pdf
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RE: John B
“B was the closest to what actually happened, so A and C are irrelevant. ”
No, “A” was the closest to what happened by scenario definitions and “C” was closest to actual temperature observations. Being the definitions were A=business as usual, B = NO CO2 emission growth from 1988 levels, and C = dramatic CO2 reductions; making this the most hideous kind of prediction. If we had actually followed his recommendations and the temperature had done exactly what it did without following those recommendations, he and his ilk could be right now saying the reason for the temperature tracking the way it did was because of those dramatic CO2 emission reductions without much of any way of being proven wrong; they would be heroes like none before them. Scary.
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Environment/documents/2008/06/23/ClimateChangeHearing1988.pdf
@Len Ornstein: a little more time, like what a couple of 100 years. Remember there was no cars no computers no trips to the moon no nuclear power and the list goes on a couple of 100 years back. Trying to do something about a possible problem a couple of 100 years in the future has extreamly low expected value. Also if the sensitivity is much lower the IPCC suggest then there might never even be a problem.
Dave Springer says:
August 17, 2011 at 6:22 am
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Good to see some sound commonsense.
Personally I think we ought to agree to change both phrases “the alarmists” and “the deniers”, to “the pious” and “the heretics”. Time to stop the ugly name calling I say.
I’ve just searched Realclimate and can find no reference to this paper. Clearly it lacks any relevance to modern Climate science;>). Reading the comments on this thread, they seem to be shifting discussion away from the science behind the paper towards some form of metadiscussion. Empirically it looks to me that Lindzen and Choi have delivered a major pillar in the temple of climate science and it leaves the critics speechless.
@Hockey Schtick:
You are confusing forcing with sensitivity.
“The IPCC formula’ delta Forcing = 5.35*ln(ending CO2/starting CO2) [based on flawed calculations by Arrhenius] predicts climate sensitivity of 3.1C per doubling of CO2.”
This formula is not based on calculations (flawed or otherwise). It is based on direct measurement. Also, this formula merely calculates the change in forcing (which for a doubling of CO2 is about 3.7 W/m^2). It does *not* predict sensitivity. You need a model or further assumptions to predict sensitivity.
“The 5.35 is the IPCC fudge factor for climate alarm.”
No, it is a measured value.
” the ‘IPCC formula’ should instead be delta F = 0.82*ln(ending CO2/starting CO2) ”
No. You have it backwards.
deltaTemp = climatesensitivity * deltaForcing
This change in forcing (deltaForcing) is a given that everyone including Prof Lindzen (to my knowledge) agree on. Where they disagree is in the temperature response (sensitivity) to that change in forcing. You shouldn’t change the forcing to make it agree with Lindzen’s deltaT=0.7. You should change the climate sensitivity.
John W says:
August 17, 2011 at 2:30 pm
RE: John B
“B was the closest to what actually happened, so A and C are irrelevant. ”
No, “A” was the closest to what happened by scenario definitions and “C” was closest to actual temperature observations. Being the definitions were A=business as usual, B = NO CO2 emission growth from 1988 levels, and C = dramatic CO2 reductions;
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You are wrong about A and B. You are right about C. This is from the abstract of the actual 1988 paper:
“Scenario A assumes continued exponential trace gas growth, scenario B assumes a reduced linear growth of trace gases, and scenario C assumes a rapid curtailment of trace gas emissions such that the net climate forcing ceases to increase after the year 2000.”
A was for exponential growth, B was for linear growth (not no growth), C was (as you said) for dramatic reductions. B and C also included a major volcanic event, and we got Pinatubo in 1992. B was the closest to what actually happened. And it is irrelevant how close C was, since C didn’t happen.
And this is NOT the sharpshooter fallacy, Smokey. Yes, there were three projections, but each one was against a different potential future scenario. Had a different scenario played out, we would be judging the projection against that scenario. I know you understand this, so stop playing games.
son of mulder
They’re starting off with an “attack” on the Journal; although I’m not sure of the implied relevance.
“Unforced Variations”
Steven Mosher says:
August 17, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Thanks, mosh. Sorry for my lack of clarity. I said that the models can tell us nothing about ECS, the equilibrium climate sensitivity. Your citation says :
In other words, the models are not calculating the ECS from the data. Instead, they are simply physical embodiments of the beliefs, claims, and prejudices of the model builders regarding the ECS.
Or to restate what I said … they can tell us nothing about the ECS, they only can tell us about the modelers.
w.
For Smokey and John B:
GISS July : Right At Scenario C
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/08/17/giss-july-right-a7-scenario-c/
Hansen is obviously wrong.
John B
“And it is irrelevant how close C was, since C didn’t happen.”
Here we go again. Hansen was so brilliant that he came up with temperature Scenarios that agree both with GHG scenarios that did happen and those that didn’t
Given that this year’s data will put us much closer to C than to B, I can see why you guys desperately want to “disappear” C.
John B says:
August 17, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I am completely uninterested in what the title of the paper is. I care even less what it bodes. That’s so foolish we have a saying about it, “Don’t judge a book by its cover.”
I am concerned with its scientific arguments. I note you have ignored the science completely, in favor of reciting your fantasy of what you think would happen if you cited a paper titled blah blah blah …
I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Quote what you object to.
“These” papers? What papers are “these” papers? You have lapsed into an incomprehensible and aggro attack on something, but I haven’t a clue what it is. Certainly, it’s nothing I said or did, and I’m known for being skeptical of skeptical papers, so it’s not that. Quote what you are objecting to, so we can interpret your otherwise totally mysterious statements.
In mystery,
w.
Willis Eschenbach says:
August 17, 2011 at 4:24 pm
“In other words, the models are not calculating the ECS from the data. Instead, they are simply physical embodiments of the beliefs, claims, and prejudices of the model builders regarding the ECS.
Or to restate what I said … they can tell us nothing about the ECS, they only can tell us about the modelers.”
Yes, you nailed it, Willis. Once again, we see that Gaia Models contain huge assumptions by modelers and that these assumptions are incapable of being brought under the discipline imposed in science by reality and scientific method. Much of the reasoning about climate that is based on Gaia Models is “a priori” reasoning, more similar to Spinoza’s reasonings on God than Galileo’s reasoning about projectile motion.
“Hockey Schtick says:
August 17, 2011 at 1:12 pm
slight correction:
The “IPCC formula” delta Forcing = 5.35*ln(ending CO2/starting CO2) [based on flawed calculations by Arrhenius] predicts climate sensitivity of 3.1C per doubling of CO2. Forcing of 1 W/m2 supposedly causes 0.85C increase in temperature [TSI of 1367/4=342 W/m2, average Earth temp = 290K, 290/342 = 0.85K]. Lindzen is in effect saying, if the climate sensitivity is 0.7C per doubling, the “IPCC formula” should instead be delta F = 0.82*ln(ending CO2/starting CO2) [since ln(2) ~ 0.7]. The 5.35 is the IPCC fudge factor for climate alarm.”
You”re confusing forcing in watts with degrees C. A doubling of CO2 would give
ln(2/1) =0.693. Multiply that by 5.35 and you get an additional 3.7 watts.
If the current avg temp is 288 K,, we have a flux of 390.7 watts. An additional 3.7 watts
would increase that to (394.4/390.7)^0.25 tikes 288 K = 288.7 K.
Of course the earth does not radiate as efficiently as a black body so the actual wattage flux would be somewhat less than 390.7 watts,, there’s an additional 100 watts in the latent heat of evaporation and conduction, and that’s where you get the qualifiers of somewhere between 0.5K and 1K with no feedbacks.
John W says:
August 17, 2011 at 4:19 pm
“They’re starting off with an “attack” on the Journal; although I’m not sure of the implied relevance.”
They will get to character assassination of Lindzen shortly. They love it. Alinskyites are so predictable.
John B says:
August 17, 2011 at 4:15 pm
A was for exponential growth, B was for linear growth (not no growth), C was (as you said) for dramatic reductions. B and C also included a major volcanic event, and we got Pinatubo in 1992. B was the closest to what actually happened. And it is irrelevant how close C was, since C didn’t happen.
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John, you lost me…..
…are you saying that volcanoes, air pollution from China, etc stops global warming….
….and when it starts back up, it just continues the previous trend line?
Great Top 10 John W. 🙂
Also from the report on page 48 figure 3: ” Scenario A assumes continued growth rates of trace gas emissions typical of the last 20 years”; what I termed buisiness as usual. Seems reasonable to me that what is typical for 20 years is business as usual. Then the report states “scenario B has emission rates fixed at approximately current rates”; not emission growth rates fixed, if the paper isn’t consistent, well I can’t help that.
Either way, we didn’t do what he said had to be done and the result was still what he claimed couldn’t happen without massive intervention.
John W says:
August 17, 2011 at 4:19 pm
son of mulder
They’re starting off with an “attack” on the Journal; although I’m not sure of the implied relevance.
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John, they are warping the science process….
It does not matter where something was published, or even if it was published.
Peer review, is not supposed to be a confirmation of whether something is right or not.
If it was supposed to confirm that something is 100% right, then the very process of peer review would mean that one of the”peers” had already thought of it first……
it’s a known known…………….
Peer review is not much more than a glorified spell check.
It all happens after it’s out there, that’s where it’s proven or trashed….
Throw it up against the wall and see if it sticks……………
@Willis
By “These papers” I mean pretty much any set of papers that make up the supposedly emerging anti-AGW “consensus”. They don’t form a consistent picture, but many “skeptics” (maybe not you) seem to think that is not their job. So, you get papers saying “it’s the sun”, “it’s natural variation”, “it’s cosmic rays”, “it’s the jet stream”, “it’s volcanoes”, “it’s the clouds”, “feedback are negative”, “we simply don’t know”, and so on. Many of them get trumpeted (by some, not all) here as ” the final nail in the coffin of AGW”, but it is if the trumpeters don’t realise that if one of these papers were right, a good number of others must be wrong. As a scientist, I would be much more comfortable with the skeptical position if it presented a consistent alternative to AGW. how about you?
And my other rambling about consensus was in reply to another poster, not yourself. My apologies for the confusion.
I can see it now. Dr. AGW-Professor calls in his most trusted grad student and tells him, “Go adjust our model to use these forcing sensitivity numbers and bring me the results. And if you tell anyone but me your results the only climate research you will be doing for the rest of your Ph D work will be in the Sahara Desert and Antarctica.”
Latitude says:
August 17, 2011 at 5:18 pm
John B says:
August 17, 2011 at 4:15 pm
A was for exponential growth, B was for linear growth (not no growth), C was (as you said) for dramatic reductions. B and C also included a major volcanic event, and we got Pinatubo in 1992. B was the closest to what actually happened. And it is irrelevant how close C was, since C didn’t happen.
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John, you lost me…..
…are you saying that volcanoes, air pollution from China, etc stops global warming….
….and when it starts back up, it just continues the previous trend line?
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Is that a trick question?
Large volcanoes like Pinatubo cause cooling due to aerosols for a number of years, but then the effect dies away as the aerosols precipitate out. This is overlaid on the effects of other forcings. Hansen’s scenarios B and C took into account a hypothetical future large eruption, and we actually got Pinatubo. Scenario A assumed no such eruption, which is one reason it is not the relavant scenario. This is all well documented.
‘the correct forcing’
If only one had some sort of scientific notation to explain how heat, in its various forms, becomes temperature.
I can place heat into a air mass/ground interface and get a mixture of temperature change, humidity change and pressure change. Instead of all the bother of actually measuring the changes that occur during a daily cycle? You know, have a spectrophotometer light pipe buried in a field in Kansas, have a tethered balloon with a spectrophotometer light pipe and light pipes pointing up and down, a tuned diode infrared laser tuned to 1400 nm to measure water content of the air, and, for good measure, a couple of thermometers and manometers.
Just get the damned data, measure the area under the curve of incoming and then find out if cloudy days are hotter or colder than clear ones.
I suppose it is easier to ‘calculate’ forcing of 10+ trace gasses.
John B says:
John, would you agree that the temps are almost equivalent to the C scenario? Most rational people would. As to the trace gas growth……. it is almost linear, but in reality exponential….. so, reasonable people could disagree about an A/B scenario as it relates to trace gases. But the temps are what they are. And Hansen’s projections are what they are. He missed his mark….. He states that himself! He blames it on China’s burning of coal, releasing aerosols which he believes has caused the pause in temp rises. (Which I think is laughable, but is for a different conversation.) So, you can quit defending the indefensible. The creator of the ehem projections……not predictions….(lol) says he missed. What I would do, were I on the alarmist side, would be to go look for a model a wee bit more accurate in its projections…….. oh, wait, there isn’t any. Cli-sci modeling hasn’t progressed any since 1988…….. pitiful. Over 20 years of time, energy, and money invested in another fruitless venture.
Mosher,
I quite like Issac Held’s TCR and ECR post but it should just be noted that the two processes appear as two separate processes only in his model. That doesn’t mean this is how things are in the real world. I remember reading in his post that other climate models give a less distinct separation. I like Held’s post because at no point does he confuse the modeled result with the real world.