Guest post by Bill Gray Professor Emeritus, Colorado State University
(AMS Fellow, Charney Award recipient, and over 50-year member)
June 2011
I am very disappointed at the downward path the AMS has been following for the last 10-15 years in its advocacy of the Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) hypothesis. The society has officially taken a position many of us AMS members do not agree with. We believe that humans are having little or no significant influence on the global climate and that the many Global Circulation Climate Model (GCMs) results and the four IPCC reports do not realistically give accurate future projections. To take this position which so many of its members do not necessarily agree with shows that the AMS is following more of a political than a scientific agenda.
The AMS Executive Director Keith Seitter and the other AMS higher-ups and the Council have not shown the scientific maturity and wisdom we would expect of our AMS leaders. I question whether they know just how far off-track the AMS has strayed since they foolishly took such a strong pro-AGW stance.
The American Meteorological Society (AMS) was founded in 1919 as an organization dedicated to advancing scientific knowledge of weather and climate. It has been a wonderful beacon for fostering new understanding of how the atmosphere and oceans function. But this strong positive image is now becoming tarnished as a result of the AMS leadership’s capitulating to the lobby of the climate modelers and to the outside environmental and political pressure groups who wish to use the current AMS position on AGW to help justify the promotion of their own special interests. The effectiveness of the AMS as an objective scientific organization is being greatly compromised.
We AMS members have allowed a small group of AMS administrators, climate modelers, and CO2 warming sympathizers to maneuver the internal workings of our society to support AGW policies irrespective of what our rank-and-file members might think. This small organized group of AGW sympathizers has indeed hijacked our society.
The AMS should be acting as a facilitator for the scientific debate on the pro and con aspects of the AGW hypothesis, not to take a side in the issue. The AMS has not held the type of open and honest scientific debates on the AGW hypothesis which they should have. Why have they dodged open discussion on such an important issue? I’ve been told that the American Economic Society does not take sides on controversial economic issues but acts primarily to help in stimulating back and forth discussion. This is what the AMS should have been doing but haven’t.
James Hansen’s predictions of global warming made before the Senate in 1988 are turning out to be very much less than he had projected. He cannot explain why there has been no significant global warming over the last 10-12 years.
Many of us AMS members believe that the modest global warming we have observed is of natural origin and due to multi-decadal and multi-century changes in the globe’s deep ocean circulation resulting from salinity variations. These changes are not associated with CO2 increases. Most of the GCM modelers have little experience in practical meteorology. They do not realize that the strongly chaotic nature of the atmosphere-ocean climate system does not allow for skillful initial value numerical climate prediction. The GCM simulations are badly flawed in at least two fundamental ways:
- Their upper tropospheric water vapor feedback loop is grossly wrong. They assume that increases in atmospheric CO2 will cause large upper-tropospheric water vapor increases which are very unrealistic. Most of their model warming follows from these invalid water vapor assumptions. Their handlings of rainfall processes are quite inadequate.
- They lack an understanding and treatment of the fundamental role of the deep ocean circulation (i.e. Meridional Overturning Circulation – MOC) and how the changing ocean circulation (driven by salinity variations) can bring about wind, rainfall, and surface temperature changes independent of radiation and greenhouse gas changes. These ocean processes are not properly incorporated in their models. They assume the physics of global warming is entirely a product of radiation changes and radiation feedback processes. They neglect variations in global evaporation which is more related to surface wind speed and ocean minus surface and air temperature differences. These are major deficiencies.
The Modelers’ Free Ride. It is surprising that GCMs have been able to get away with their unrealistic modeling efforts for so long. One explanation is that they have received strong support from Senator/Vice President Al Gore and other politicians who for over three decades have attempted to make political capital out of increasing CO2 measurements. Another reason is the many environmental and political groups (including the mainstream media) have been eager to use the GCM climate results as justification to push their own special interests that are able to fly under the global warming banner. A third explanation is that they have not been challenged by their peer climate modeling groups who apparently have seen possibilities for similar research grant support and publicity by copying Hansen and the earlier GCM modelers.
I anticipate that we are going to experience a modest naturally-driven global cooling over the next 15-20 years. This will be similar to the weak global cooling that occurred between the early-1940s and the mid-1970s. It is to be noted that CO2 amounts were also rising during this earlier cooling period which were opposite to the expected CO2-temperature association.
An expected 15-20 year cooling will occur (in my view) because of the current strong ocean Meridional Overturning Circulation (MOC) that has now been established in the last decade and a half and ought to continue for another couple of decades. I explain most of the last century and-a-half general global warming since the mid-1800s (start of the industrial revolution) to be a result of a long multi-century slowdown in the ocean’s MOC circulation. Increases of CO2 could have contributed only a small fraction (0.1-0.2oC) of the roughly ~ 0.7oC surface warming that has been observed since 1850. Natural processes have had to have been responsible for most of the observed warming over the last century and a half.
Debate. The AMS is the most relevant of our country’s scientific societies as regards to its members having the most extensive scientific and technical background in meteorology and climate. It should have been a leader in helping to adjudicate the claims of the AGW advocates and their skeptical critics. Our country’s Anglo-Saxon derived legal system is based on the idea that the best way to get to the truth is to have opposite sides of a continuous issue present their differing views in open debate before a non partisan jury. Nothing like this has happened with regards to the AGW issue. Instead of organizing meetings with free and open debates on the basic physics and the likelihood of AGW induced climate changes, the leaders of the society (with the backing of the society’s AGW enthusiasts) have chosen to fully trust the climate models and deliberately avoid open debate on this issue. I know of no AMS sponsored conference where the AGW hypothesis has been given open and free discussion. For a long time I have wanted a forum to express my skepticism of the AGW hypothesis. No such opportunities ever came within the AMS framework. Attempts at publication of my skeptic views have been difficult. One rejection stated that I was too far out of the mainstream thinking. Another that my ideas had already been discredited. A number of AGW skeptics have told me they have had similar experiences.
The climate modelers and their supporters deny the need for open debate of the AGW question on the grounds that the issue has already been settled by their model results. They have taken this view because they know that the physics within their models and the long range of their forecast periods will likely not to be able to withstand knowledgeable and impartial review. They simply will not debate the issue. As a defense against criticism they have resorted to a general denigration of those of us who do not support their AGW hypothesis. AGW skeptics are sometimes tagged (I have been) as no longer being credible scientists. Skeptics are often denounced as tools of the fossil-fuel industry. A type of McCarthyism against AGW skeptics has been in display for a number of years.
Recent AMS Awardees. Since 2000 the AMS has awarded its annual highest award (Rossby Research Medal) to the following AGW advocates or AGW sympathizers; Susan Solomon (00), V. Ramanathan (02), Peter Webster (04), Jagadish Shukla (05), Kerry Emanuel (07), Isaac Held (08) and James Hansen (09). Its second highest award (Charney Award) has gone to AGW warming advocates or sympathizers; Kevin Trenberth (00), Rich Rotunno (04), Graeme Stephens (05) Robert D. Cess (06), Allan Betts (07), Gerald North (08) and Warren Washington and Gerald Meehl (09). And the other Rossby and Charney awardees during this period are not known to be critics of the AGW warming hypothesis.
The AGW biases within the AMS policy makers is so entrenched that it would be impossible for well known and established scientists (but AGW skeptics) such as Fred Singer, Pat Michaels, Bill Cotton, Roger Pielke, Sr., Roy Spencer, John Christie, Joe D’Aleo, Bob Balling, Jr., Craig Idso, Willie Soon, etc. to ever be able to receive an AMS award – irrespective of the uniqueness or brilliance of their research.
What Working Meteorologists Say. My interaction (over the years) with a broad segment of AMS members (that I have met as a result of my seasonal hurricane forecasting and other activities) who have spent a sizable portion of their careers down in the meteorological trenches of observations and forecasting, have indicated that a majority of them do not agree that humans are the primary cause of global warming. These working meteorologists are too experienced and too sophisticated to be hoodwinked by the lobby of global climate modelers and their associated propagandists. I suggest that the AMS conduct a survey of its members who are actually working with real time weather-climate data to see how many agree that humans have been the main cause of global warming and that there was justification for the AMS’s 2009 Rossby Research Medal (highest AMS award) going to James Hansen.
Global Environmental Problems. There is no question that global population increases and growing industrialization have caused many environmental problems associated with air and water pollution, industrial contamination, unwise land use, and hundreds of other human-induced environmental irritants. But all these human-induced environmental problems will not go away by a draconian effort to reduce CO2 emissions. CO2 is not a pollutant but a fertilizer. Humankind needs fossil-fuel energy to maintain its industrial lifestyle and to expand this lifestyle in order to be able to better handle these many other non-CO2 environmental problems. There appears to be a misconception among many people that by reducing CO2 we are dealing with our most pressing environmental problem. Not so.
It must be remembered that advanced industrial societies do more for the global environment than do poor societies. By greatly reducing CO2 emissions and paying a great deal more for our then needed renewable energy we will lower our nation’s standard of living and not be able to help relieve as many of our and the globe’s many environmental, political, and social problems.
Obtaining a Balanced View on AGW. To understand what is really occurring with regards to the AGW question one must now bypass the AMS, the mainstream media, and the mainline scientific journals. They have mostly been preconditioned to accept the AGW hypothesis and, in general, frown on anyone not agreeing that AGW is, next to nuclear war, our society’s most serious long range problem.
To obtain any kind of a balanced back-and-forth discussion on AGW one has to consult the many web blogs that are both advocates and skeptics of AGW. These blogs are the only source for real open debate on the validity of the AGW hypothesis. Here is where the real science of the AGW question is taking place. Over the last few years the weight of evidence, as presented in these many blog discussions, is beginning to swing against the AGW hypothesis. As the globe fails to warm as the GCMs have predicted the American public is gradually losing its belief in the prior claims of Gore, Hansen, and the other many AGW advocates.
Prediction. The AMS is going to be judged in future years as having foolishly sacrificed its sterling scientific reputation for political and financial expediency. I am sure that hundreds of our older deceased AMS members are rolling in their graves over what has become of their and our great society.
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We have a number of family members who have spent their lifetime careers in elementray, secondary, and collegiate education in roles ranging from teachers to superintendants of public instruction. When debating the merits of the Internet in education, they tend to be uniformly horrified with the prospect that the students may use the Internet to read and learn from unapproved sources, especially original surces such as pre-20th Century authors, which are not textbooks or aproved New Age books and articles.
A great way of sticking a stick into a hornets’ nest is to playfully suggest it would be a good idea to unconsolidate these school districts, stop the consumption of fossil fuels by ending most bussing of students, and returning to the concept of township and neighborhood schools with the Internet providing the technological means for delivering the best educational sources and methods at the least cost. It would also return the old fashioned teaching methods in which the brightest students were challenged to exercise thinking skills when they had to help teach their classmates.
The need to teach a subject is often the best means of exercising the mind and revealing shortcomings in knowledge when confronted with the need to teach another person. In the days of the one room schoolhouse, students helped to teach each other, while the teacher provided the necessary guidance. This has often been lost in present day schools where the educational establishment typically punishes deviations from a predetermined “lesson plan” which supposedly is the only approved subject matter and way for a student to learn. Teachers and students who would dare to deviate from the state approved lesson plan are punished. The end result are teachers, students, and a society which must not be allowed to deviate from the state sanctioned lesson plan for socialist engineering.
Hello together,
this is a hobby meteorologist from Germany. I want to refer to Point 1 of the above article I can fully agree with. I translated the dismissal letter from former member Hal Lewis for a German website of climate realists. That’s why I was so much touched by this one.
Ever since it came up that there should be a “hot spot” over the tropics I have one question: If really it would become warmer above the tropics, but not at the surface – wouldn’t that mean a general death of any tropical cumulus convection? I mean, if the vertical temperature gradient becomes smaller…
Is there any evidence that soemthing like this so far has been observed? I think not – is it?
Just askin’!
Best regards Chris Frey German Author
“There is evidence supporting “seasons” in the past couple of billionions!!
David Jay:
Actually, it was Pauline Kael who was supposed to have made the comment about Nixon, although I see on a Wikipedia page that this has been contested. (No mention about an editor of Nation, though.)
Although I agree with Chris Colose that conspiracy hypotheses can be far-fetched, my take on what’s going on could be considered even more paranoid. Unfortunately, I don’t think many people (among those of us who have managed to land outside the Matrix) have yet come to terms with what’s happened over the last few decades. By now there are generations of university graduates who have been ‘parameterized’ in such a way that the AGW hypothesis is highly appealing. It’s going to take a long while to dig ourselves out of this mess.
Richard M says:
June 17, 2011 at 7:05 am
“It’s kind of sad to see another blind acceptance of what an individual is taught. I see this as THE big problem with our educational system. Instead of being taught to think, students are taught to believe exactly what they are told. The result is little advancement of science.”
“I’ve ask, off and on, if anyone who believes in AGW can explain the “cooling effect” of GHGs. Not once has anyone even understood what that means. They are so caught up in what they’ve been told they have no ability to think outside the box.”
Unfortunately, this is true all the way up to defense of thesis for the Phd. In the old days, there was unbridled debate. Today, a student who disagrees with his thesis adviser is considered a mental case. It has flipped totally from the post war period, 1945 -1973. In my humble opinion, the causes of Political Correctness form the greater part of the causes for this phenomenon. Just think about it for a minute. If you are going to permit academic departments of Feminist Studies and feminists publish books in which they argue that science proves that the root of all evil is “maleness,” then you cannot really permit debate.
Chris: “This Joe takes the prescriptions the doctor gives me.”
Personally, I don’t, until I have researched the medicine for myself. I don’t simply accept the claim – I want to KNOW. That applies in my life to medicine, home and auto repair, and to science. And I hold all to the same standard.
Chris Frey says:
June 17, 2011 at 8:36 am
Oh yes, Lewis’s letter belongs referenced here. Start at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/10/16/hal-lewis-my-resignation-from-the-american-physical-society/
Ref – D. Patterson says:
June 17, 2011 at 7:43 am
Time to close down the Public Schools and turn them all private, just no other way; thanks for nothing NEA. Tax write offs for tuition? I’ll bite.
Would you like to know what is the greatest casualty of all of this?
In my opinion, these Charlatans have created a populace that doubts science itself. Not just junk science, but, as a large group of scientists bought into and were actively promoting this particular brand of snake oil as genuine science, all science is thereby condemned in the mind of the larger population.
When the scientists cannot tell the difference between rigorous peer review and consensual group think, what is the average man to believe. At that point everything is propaganda. Who would fund research when everyone knows the money is going to be used to fund junkets and parties and the scientists will eventually prove whatever it was the believed in the first place. I think this is how the dark ages began. Once Galileo proved the church wrong, nobody knew what to believe anymore and society began to lose it’s cohesiveness. This happened just as the Little Ice Age began. Coincidence? My personal belief is that God works in ways which we cannot comprehend, but that this has all the hallmarks and irony of his type of humor. Just when we think we’ve got it all figured out and don’t need him anymore; a little dose of reality; people are small. The earth isn’t even large by most objective standards. If he wants us to learn a lesson; here it comes. In the exact opposite form of what we’ve convinced ourselves WE were responsible for.
I suggest we call this one the Eddy Minimum, after Jack Eddy. A man who was trying to lead the way on climate research before it was hijacked by the current crop of charlatans and opportunists posing as scientist. If anybody with any pull in science or academia would support that notion, I would greatly appreciate it.
I have a great deal of respect for meterologists that agree with the fact that “Mann-made global warming” does not exist. The question above asked about “climatology” here is my definitions. Again there are many “climatologist” that do not believe in the fairy-tale of Mann-made global warming but for those that do,there is one question-” Where is the creditable experimental data that “proves that the “greenhouse gas effect exists?”.
It appears that no one either understand my experiment or that its to long to follow the 4 parts. It does demonstrate that the “greenhouse gas effect” does not exist.
Definitions of the Climate Discussion
What is Climate?
Definition:A few thousand weather days end to end for a specific location.
How many climates are there in the world?
Every part of the country and the world has a unique climate -the south of France, the North slope of Alaska, the heart of Africa, the northeast Great Lakes region of the US ,the north of Italy, the south of Italy,thousands of different climates etc.
What is weather?
The atmospheric conditions where you are.
Can mankind control the weather?
We have tried for thousands of years from the Indian rainmaker, to the cloud seeders of the 1950-60. Man can not control the weather, then how the hell can man be controlling the climate. This whole B.S of MANN-made global warming is a fairy tale. The MANNipulation of temperature data is a crime against humanity and these criminals should be put in jail.
Be careful of the Pied Pipers of Gorezillaism- remember Hamlin- except it is happening to ignorant supposed adults.
Climatologists”- are temperature historians. If they chose to project into the future they have gone from historians to Flat Screen fortune tellers. “computer generated Models” “garbage in is garbage out”
Scott says:
June 17, 2011 at 6:40 am
He said there was no evidence supporting climate alarmism. Most of us agree that the planet has warmed over the last 100 years. The big disagreement is how much weight to give to CO2, the sun (both direct TSI and indirect factors such as the Svensmark effect), UHI and microsite contamination, factors yet unknown.
with some college professors privately confessing to the student that they are teaching them a lesson in life what to expect when challenging their authority.
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Every time I’ve ever had a boss like that, I left the company at the first opportunity.
Such people do exist, unfortunately most of the exist in academia.
Bob Kutz says:
June 17, 2011 at 9:11 am
I am glad you don’t think we live in one giant “Halideck” . . . . with some “control” freak at the console!
In my opinion, these Charlatans have created a populace that doubts science itself. Not just junk science, but, as a large group of scientists bought into and were actively promoting this particular brand of snake oil as genuine science, all science is thereby condemned in the mind of the larger population.
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I’m afraid that this kind of corruption has been going on for a long time, and it isn’t limited to climate scientists.
Need I remind anyone of Alar.
Chris:
You must realize that your recent education is equipping you for a career. Post graduation will commence your real education as experience and exposure begins the filtering and addition of real knowledge. Your own opinion of the extent of value, from this education, will change drastically over the coming decades. Your real education is about to begin.
I hope you successfully survive the transition from theory to “what is”. Remember, when your faith in peer review and consensus science is destroyed and you are in the depths of career despair… you may always come to WUWT for a little ” now, now… everything is going to be OK” therapy. GK
CodeTech says:
June 17, 2011 at 7:56 am
“Meh, our boy has taken his ball and gone home…”
Yes, and that’s too bad. I really wanted him to start researching what’s really in the climate codes, but alas…
I really can’t say though that I blame him for leaving. Based on what Dr. Judith Curry has gone through, it would appear that the penalty for even trying to create a bridge between the two sides in the climate debate is to severely compromise your career opportunities. In fact, I bet someone at GISS sat him down for a “talk” about appropriate internet interactions for a climate scientist.
A final thought – it would be interesting to know if Chris is paying for his education himself or if his education is being subsidized by the taxpayers. Not that subsidizing education is bad, but it’s pretty easy for him to say to us “go take a class in the physics of radiation” at a major university when he’s getting public money to do so and I would have to pay out-of-pocket.
BTW – I took a graduate-level class in Radiation Heat Transfer when I was pursuing my Ph.D. in the early 90s (Still have my copy of “Thermal Radiation Heat Transfer” by Siegel and Howell, and have used it occasionally in my present job).
Bob Kutz says:
June 17, 2011 at 9:11 am
The Eddy Minimum
This was discussed quite awhile ago as suggested by Leif Svalgaard, and others.
See:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/?s=%22eddy+minimum%22
Mark Wilson says:
June 17, 2011 at 9:31 am
Yes, agreed . . . . there is “junk” religion and “junk” government . . . . And all have the same thing in common . . . . they do not work! . . . . Because they seek to dominate what they have no “right” to dominate. And “they” seek to place burdens (taxes, tithes) on those that are already over burdened!
I’m not sure who this “student” is but I am sure he knows very little about noisy, chaotic data somehow being capable of revealing “trends” related to AGW CO2. This stuff I know, finding signals within chaotic noise. Done it. Published it. I studied noisy natural data. I added a controlled high-frequency artificial input signal under lab-controlled conditions, and then tried to find that signal in the natural noise by mathematically averaging out the natural noise. Found it. It’s called the high-frequency auditory brainstem response. Others have found it as well. The input signal resulted in an artificial (as in not chaotic) response that mechanistically and mathematically was exactly as predicted. It is a very robust finding. It is predictable and repeatable across subjects.
This “warming signal” is another kettle of fish entirely. Natural CO2 has been said to affect weather, since it is a greenhouse gas. So it is a natural part then of weather, not an artificial input, and weather cares not one bit how the CO2 got there or who owns which part. If that is true, you will not be able to say with confidence whether or not the signal you find is an AGW CO2 signal or a natural signal, if all you have is natural weather data to study, of which greenhouse affects are a natural component.
In general then, the consensus has failed to prove an artificial response to an artificial input, within the lab or in observations.
The concept of “hijacking” is wrong here. The AMS Council members are elected for short limited terms by the whole membership. They select a special committee to draft a statement that then has a period when it is open for membership comment. This statement has been around for more than four years with no dissent, even from Bill Gray himself, as far as I know. Statements are in effect for five years, and a new one is due in 2012, which is also going to be open for input by members. The use of the word “hijack” is bogus and misleading when confronted with the facts.
Theo Goodwin, skeptics are even denying what Arrhenius says, as he included the water vapor feedback in his estimate too. You don’t have to go beyond Arrhenius to make the argument that prevails today.
Harry Dale Huffman, I’m commenting here as well as on your blog directly.
What you have done is proved that, within experimental error, the greenhouse gas warming of Earth and Venus is equivalent. This is clear evidence that there is nothing special about CO2 in the atmosphere that would cause it to warm the atmosphere. However, that in and of itself is a misunderstanding of the greenhouse gas effect.
We would expect that since both atmospheres are primarily a single gas (N2 for Earth, CO2 for Venus) that the atmosphere would be saturated on that gas’s absorption spectrum. In fact, one would expect Earth’s greenhouse gas absorption to be greater due to the Oxygen band also being saturated. Unfortunately, this doesn’t say anything about trace gases, which the primary matter of debate.
Sorry, but the “There is no greenhouse effect” conclusion does not follow from the evidence. What you have proved is “There is no magical greenhouse effect caused by CO2 that isn’t caused by gases on Earth”. While this invalidates the “Venusification” nonsense by the alarmists as well the “terraform Venus” simulation in the classic climate model SimEarth, it does NOT present any evidence that would falsify the greenhouse gas theory. You merely proved that Venus (and therefore CO2) is not exceptional in this regard.
Please issue a correction. We need good science on our side to defeat the human-killing idioticy of the IPCC, not strawman fallacies.
CodeTech says:
June 17, 2011 at 7:56 am
“Meh, our boy has taken his ball and gone home…”
There’s been quite a ramp up recently of rabid believers commenting on many of the skeptic blogs or responding to skeptics on alarmist blogs. Mainly resulting in distraction, as in this thread.
Has anyone else noticed?
What about there being only about half as many temperature recording stations as there were 50 or so years ago? One in Arizona out in the desert is no longer in use; the one that’s recording data is on a stretch of asphalt at the U of A. Think that one’s giving higher temp data than the earlier two combined? As I understand it, the ones no longer in use were generally in rural (i.e., cooler) areas. A practical question: If it takes dozens or hundreds of engineers to write an OS or application, and even then the software likely has some bugs, how can a relatively few scientists write a program that models the whole world’s climate unto eternity and get something believable?