John Coleman on the recent solar slump announcement

John Coleman, founder of the weather Channel and now at KUSI-TV in San Diego passes on this video which I’m passing on to WUWT readers.

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72 thoughts on “John Coleman on the recent solar slump announcement

  1. “Keep an ear and hope for the best”
    Present day society will not cope well with a Maunder type event, so “hope for the best”

  2. Nice presentation, especially at the end when he cautions against jumping on the “bandwagon” about a potential ice age. The Warmistas could learn much from his closing statement.

  3. Pretty bad, very alarmist. “The Sun is Fading.” “dramatic impact.” “Going quiet.” “Solar depression.” “Hibernation” “Major setback.” Very exaggerated, given that a Maunder minimum is only one of many possible outcomes. Looks like the alarmists have a place to flee and do their rent-seeking.

  4. I agree with jorgekafkazar: Overly dramatic until the very last bit. I don’t care for Chicken Littles on either side of the fence. We can’t count on a new Little Ice Age to save us from the CAGW fraud, and we shouldn’t wish for one. But if the skeptics keep nibbling away at its rotten foundations, the whole corrupt structure will collapse.

  5. Must be CO2 leaking over to the sun and changing everything! It’s still our fault and it’s worse than thinkers ever thought!!!!
    Cheers,
    Big Dave

  6. Here are 150 years of global warming and cooling fears. http://newsbusters.org/node/11640
    Why do some humans panic about the weather or climate? Why do some humans blame man for anomalous changes in climate or weather? Is it a cultural thing? Is it a result of guilt of the relatively wealthy? Is this the birth of a new Western Earth religion?

  7. recently posted by a warmista
    “My worry would be a global cooling, if it occurs, would mean people turn up their central heating, drive more as they dont like going out in the cold etc and thus use more fossil fuels and consequently increase global warming.”
    shows level of education

  8. I have been saying it for years, soon we will be feeding cows beans to fight off the cold. ‘Course I was just joking, or so I thought….

  9. There are some here from the planet Vulcan who aren’t familiar with the old fashioned “tongue in cheek” type humour employed by Mr Coleman. It’s a wry dry sort of humour humans sometimes use to gently poke fun at seriously held views. The irony is, you’re not likely to “get it” if it needs to be explained.

  10. Amino Acids in Meteorites says:
    June 16, 2011 at 6:01 pm
    “The same video now on YouTube”
    Thanks For that link, I didn’t like the idea of reinstalling flash again! 🙂

  11. jorgekafkazar says: June 16, 2011 at 3:58 pm
    “Very exaggerated, given that a Maunder minimum is only one of many possible outcomes.”
    If the known cyclical factors of the Sun, from the ~11 year solar cycle to the 70, 200, and 600 year patterns and run them at the same time, they create an interference pattern which nicely recreates the solar cycle sunspot numbers from the Maunder Minimum all the way up to today’s solar cycle 24. Following the interference pattern forward, we see, oh, another Maunder Minimum for the next two cycles. Fancy that! No computer model needed, just examination of history and detectable patterns. The prediction here is NOT one of many possible outcomes; it is the most likely outcome, however.

  12. Just a small question? Considering the length and depth of the past ice ages particularly over the last billion years of the solar system’s existence and the apparent comparatively short periods of a warm global climate over those same billion years that can be geologically verified, have the solar scientists got it all wrong when it comes to the usual and scientifically accepted behavior of the Sun.
    Is the natural state of solar activity far more likely to be in the lower ranges of activity when measured against the very active late 20th century standards which we have all assumed, perhaps falsely, was the usual resting state our Sun’s activity?
    Or is our Sun just another lazy cool fire ball, relatively speaking, powered by a coast along fusion process with the occasional odd small, few tens or hundreds of thousands of years long flare ups, one such flare up with it’s increased activity which just happened to have coincided with the rise of mankind and his civilisations..

  13. It would be pretty amusing if the pranksters on Olympus unleashed Jack Frost on the hotheads.

  14. Jimbo says:
    June 16, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    “Why do some humans panic about the weather or climate? Why do some humans blame man for anomalous changes in climate or weather? Is it a cultural thing? Is it a result of guilt of the relatively wealthy? Is this the birth of a new Western Earth religion?”
    ==========
    It used to be the danger, and fascination.
    It has since morphed into a business model.

  15. “In response to news inquiries and stories, Dr. Frank Hill issued a follow-up statement:
    “We are NOT predicting a mini-ice age. We are predicting the behavior of the solar cycle. In my opinion, it is a huge leap from that to an abrupt global cooling, since the connections between solar activity and climate are still very poorly understood. My understanding is that current calculations suggest only a 0.3 degree C decrease from a Maunder-like minimum, too small for an ice age. It is unfortunate that the global warming/cooling studies have become so politically polarizing.”
    http://www.nso.edu/press/SolarActivityDrop.html

  16. Looking at the data I am concerned about the effects of a protracted solar minimum. The modern age has not been this stressed for 100’s of years. To thrive in this type of climate, we will need to remove restrictions for energy consumption and food production. I am not sounding the alarm and screaming to the rafters, however, history shows us that this is not a state of the solar system to ignore. We will survive it, the question will be at what cost.

  17. Jimbo says:June 16, 2011 at 4:48 pm
    “Why do some humans panic about the weather or climate? Why do some humans blame man for anomalous changes in climate or weather?”
    Jimbo, it’s a scam to make money, accrue power, and alter the world, depending on who you are. There are a number of elements here.
    1) ManBearPig Gore and friends want to make money off carbon trading and investing early in gov’t subsidized green companies; gov’t mandates ensure that there will be a forced market for the products—they cannot fail.
    2)The radical environmentalists, who really do not like people (there are many too many in their opinion), get all kinds of validation and get to be on the winning side as the global warming scam makes all humans the bad guys.
    3) Politicians and gov’ts see a chance to gain huge power over the people, the economy, and have unprecedented levels of control over the individual. They also see huge potential new revenue streams through carbon taxes and credits auctioning and trading. A projected $600 billion from carbon was even in the US administration’s budget last time one was presented in 2009. That failed totally, but the gov’t was salivating and already planning how to spend it. They want to create a false carbon economy based on a false crisis.
    4) The socialists see a great chance, as the global warming scam is global, to force the creation of a one-world gov’t which would have to be totalitarian and socialist (the Club of Rome’s dream scenario).
    5) The IPCC was set up as a highly funded propaganda machine to create a case for Draconian regulations of all economies and virtually every form of human activity and product. They fund a subset of scientists such that they have to support the scam claims or lose their funding. You cannot trust a man when the welfare of his family and his job depends on agreeing with his employer. We now have a class of subverted “scientists.”
    As there is no real science supporting the IPCC junk science claims, they have to prevaricate, alter, fabricate, generate ad hominem attacks, and claim conspiracy when real science and real world facts contradict them. With IPCC funding levels over a 1000 times greater than the skeptics, the warmists claim foul when people with brains in the public tend to believe real science and not the bedwetting warmist claims that never come true.
    No, this is not cultural, it is not psychological, it is a perfect storm of largely opportunistic, dishonest, and/or radical people and governments taking advantage of the public by utilizing one of Hitler’s most effective strategems: Make the lies big, repeat them often, and the people will believe.

  18. Amino Acids in Meteorites says on June 16, 2011 at 6:01 pm
    The same video now on YouTube

    Thanks; I have tried several time to run from the link above and no joy each time. (Running the latest Adobe Flash player too … )
    .

  19. If there is a Maunder, a goodly portion of the living may envy the dead.
    The subsequent world war may actually seem to be of little consequence, after the initial wave of misery hits.
    After the war, a new Civilization, illiberal to the core, will likely arise. Aristocratic structures of old may reappear. Egalitarian notions would elicit castigation.
    From a standpoint of technology and human development, we many never recover. The dream of colonizing space may vanish forever. Humanity and life itself may someday perish in silence on a sad old Earth as the Sun changes to such an extent that the conditions for life leave the Earth forever.
    There is however a silver lining to all this. After the intense crisis, the surviving peoples will never again tolerate a number of the crass phenomena we now witness.

  20. Actually, I don’t think people appreciate how precarious our situation has become over the past 20 years. When I was a kid the US ran huge grain surpluses. We would ship food around the world if famine struck. That’s gone now. We basically have zero grain surplus. One failed harvest due to a single cold night that produces a frost will cause havoc in the food markets. This year’s flooding and cold in the upper Midwest is going to be bad enough. Only something like 25% of North Dakota’s grain crop was planted at a time when most of it was already in. The fields are too wet or in some cases under water. The farmers are giving up planting. It only takes a year a degree or two below average to push the crop line hundreds of miles South.
    All it takes is a single cold night to kill a crop. They can stand warm days without a problem. We don’t have the cushion we used to have. There are no longer any grain surpluses. As mandates for ethanol pushed corn prices up, farmers have shifted acreage out of wheat, oats, barley and rye into corn. The corn gets burned up in engines and not eaten. We now import wheat products from China.
    One cold night and it is going to be a whole world of hurt.

  21. The people in the Dark Ages did not fare well, neither did they do so ‘hot’ shortly after the MWP.
    The uncertaintly in Grand Solar Minimums is that no two are exactly alike, that we know of.
    It could be a small bear, it could be a Ursus Horribilius, or it could be a total Polar Bear.
    Earthlings: Prepare for what you will.
    Like the song said, “You don’t know what you got ’til it’s gone”.

  22. Lets finish killing of the IPCC and its Green AGW supporters before we get a new lot of “grant seekers” sucking out of the public purse!

  23. No one knows what is going to happen. Those that say they do cannot say how. Folks are doing Hansens and Gores – swan dive off a cliff and a back flip into an empty pool. Settle down.

  24. SteveSadlov says on June 16, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    If there is a Maunder, a goodly portion of the living may envy the dead.
    The subsequent world war may actually seem to be of little consequence, after the initial wave of misery hits.

    Steve, you old worry-wart.

    After the war, a new Civilization, illiberal to the core, will likely arise. Aristocratic structures of old may reappear. Egalitarian notions would elicit castigation.

    A good many are not listening. Best to make plans for you and yours.

  25. SteveSadlov says:
    June 16, 2011 at 8:27 pm
    If there is a Maunder, a goodly portion of the living may envy the dead.
    People in the West by and large have forgotten what is what like to go really hungry and really cold, many have had it too easy for too long. The world is not the sugar candied land of milk and honey that many have come to
    believe it is. Go to the shops and buy what you want, turn on the heater and watch the TV. Life has been just a little too good, like the summer days of our childhood that we thought would last forever. Ease breeds weakness, and weakness invites defeat. Think the regimes that have picked your pockets and grown so fat at your expense will save you? Do you really think they will go out of their way to save you when times get really tough? When the time of plenty comes there are many easy riders, and fair weather friends who will flatter you and take what they can but when times get tough, really tough then those easy riders will disappear as though they never existed.
    We have had it too easy for too long and now the wheel of fortune looks like it is abut to come round once again, if you have ever known real hunger and real cold and real fear, you have a flavour of what may be coming, many have never known any of these things and they are in for the mother of all shocks. Many kids do not even know where their food comes from before it arrives at their plate and they care even less, they may well care when there is no food on that plate and they have to fight for every scrap that they now throw away. Nothing worse than the pain of an empty belly you cannot fill, it concentrates the mind wonderfully. In many ways a time of hardship and pain will be like a boot camp for a lazy fat teenager, it will be painful and it will be nasty but when the fat wears off and the callouses return and the muscles grow back so will the pride and the confidence.
    Many believe that war and conflict was a thing of the past, many are going to be very shocked when they realise just what it takes to live and survive in a world that doesnt care if you live or die, the pampered middle classes of the metropolitan areas who can barely walk to their cars and would burst into floods of tears if a dog snarled at them are in for a rude awakening, those who have always had to struggle will adjust better of course and the transition to ‘dog eat dog’ and ‘if you dont fight for your life then someone will take it from you’ will come easy. The forces of law and order? If and when the dark and difficult times come the only law and order will what you carry in a shoulder holster and how prepared you are to fight for what is yours against those who are willing and desperate to take it from you, and there will be many of those.
    My advice FWIW? Find your real true comrades and community and stick with them, prepare for the hard times and if they dont come then you have lost nothing have you?

  26. Harpo says:
    June 16, 2011 at 8:58 pm
    There has to be a way to tax sunlight…. that’ll fix it.
    Ohh good, bring back the window tax! It would be daylight robbery.

  27. Chris says:
    June 16, 2011 at 6:20 pm
    My opinion of this is…well if the medieval people could deal with it….so can we.
    This video shows how some people in Europe dealt with the worst of the Little Ice Age. Positively Medieval. But mankind is past all that now……… right?

  28. Warm or cold, prepare for either contingency. Although it might be interesting to snowmobile on ice 2 km thick.

  29. Gee, imagine how well our governments will perform if the climate does actually do something nasty, instead of a slightly warm period in which we were made bankrupt.

  30. I know what caused it!! I know what caused it!! It’s because we didn’t give up our SUV’s!!! Right, Mr. Gore? You know, folks, the earth was already in a cooling trend without this prediction, due to cold PDO and soon–to-come cold AMO. The change, if the Maunder-like thing is correct, will be probably enhanced cold. But that’s okay. We will adapt, but it would be much easier and less painless if we quit trying to jump to – and then blindly hold fast to – conclusions that may be totally wrong. We’re really new at these two sciences – climatology and Heliology (?) – and if we said “We don’t know, but we’ll roll with whatever happens”, we’d probably save ourselves a lot of strife and nonsense.
    But as for me, I really hope the Warminigistas have their foolishness handed right back to them. I pray that Truth will prevail, and it will.

  31. Cassie King says:
    June 16, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    What have you been smoking? Please explain in detail about finding real true comrades and community and how to prepare for hard times. Also, having done what you shall suggest, how do we know if the hard times are not coming or just slow in arriving. Do you have a place in mind for all real true comrades to gather? Is there a means (money, supplies, whatever) to carry out your plan for an extended period?

  32. Fortunately man made CO2 is the main driver of global temperature so we have no need to be concerned about this. /sarc

  33. This news of long term low solar activity is also verification for Piers Corbyn
    Piers Corbyn 100 year forecast:

  34. Since Warmistas know that CO2 is the sole forcing driver, and that solar output varies so little that it doesn’t count, this won’t faze them a bit. Till it does.

  35. John F. Hultquist says:
    June 16, 2011 at 10:51 pm
    Cassie King says:
    June 16, 2011 at 9:57 pm
    What have you been smoking?
    Smirk now, it may make you feel good for now but if and when the hard times come along then remember me. Your family, your street where you live, your village or town, your church or your community centre. All these places, the places that many have forgotten about in the good times will be there during the bad times, the state wont be there for you and you can take that to the bank(if its still open).
    I hope I am wrong and life carries on as before but history tells us the good times never last, the Romans believed their world would last till the end of time and now we can wander through the ruins and wonder about them. Time after time civilisations rise and fall to the natural climate cycle, do you really think our society is perfect and invulnerable? Have a good laugh on me now, believe I am some whack job survivalist if you want, just remember this, our civilisation is not as robust as you think it is, we walk on a knife edge and its a long way down if we fall.

  36. “Chris says:
    My opinion of this is…well if the medieval people could deal with it….so can we.”
    Unfortunately they didn’t cope very well with cooling events 🙁
    The high Medieval period was considered a golden period (the medieval warm period) where food was plentiful and disease was lower due to general good health and was a period of population growth, due to the excellent conditions for agriculture.
    The late medieval period (1300-1500) was initially very bad, it is a generally held view among historians that 1300 to 1400 was one of the worst periods in history to be alive 🙁
    From 1300 to 1340 there were many years of crop failures across europe which weakened the health of the population. Then in 1347 the Black Death hit europe which killed a third to half of the population in two years leaving much of europe depopulated (europe didn’t recover to the same population levels until 1800).
    After the diseases hit then there was massive social unrest (e.g. the peasants revolt, the hundred years war, various civil wars…etc), which continued into the 1700 to 1800’s.
    What helped europe from 1500 onward was the discovery of the new world which allowed europeans to exploit the indigenous population and later slaves from africa to feather their own nests – I seem to remember some American colonists didn’t like the exploitation, I wonder what happened to them 😉
    Stability only really started to return in the 1800 hundreds when the population again started to increase due to the industrial revolution.
    So medieval people didn’t really deal with it they clung on through the 14th century and subjugated other areas in the world from 1492.
    Be careful what you wish for you might just get it 😮

  37. Higley7 says ‘If the known cyclical factors of the Sun, from the ~11 year solar cycle to the 70, 200, and 600 year patterns and run them at the same time, they create an interference pattern which nicely recreates the solar cycle sunspot numbers from the Maunder Minimum all the way up to today’s solar cycle 24. Following the interference pattern forward, we see, oh, another Maunder Minimum for the next two cycles. Fancy that! No computer model needed, just examination of history and detectable patterns. The prediction here is NOT one of many possible outcomes; it is the most likely outcome, however.’
    Possibly – but one must remember that this is the sort of data-mining that the Met Office has always used to try to ‘predict’ what the next year’s summer is going to be like – and we all know how well that has turned out. Without good, comprehensive theories to explain (quantitatively and qualitatively) such apparent trends, that is all they are – apparent!

  38. This might convince the ‘it’s CO2’ nuts to the fact that the sun drives climate.

  39. Ian E, Using previous cycles to predict future cycles has been the method utilised by many long range weather forecasters particularly here in Australia. I think here because our weather is so unpredictable. The fact that the cycle forecasters have a better record than the whiz kids and their computers says a lot for using history to forecast the future. The whiz kids nowadays have so many parameters dependent on AGW they are doomed to fail and most often do.
    Whether this solar Grand Minimum causes another Maunder type event we will only know at natures leisure. I just hope science is prepared to have pet theories trashed or corrobarated and hope it is honest enough to accept the facts.

  40. TheTempestSpark says:
    June 16, 2011 at 6:09 pm
    I think “announcment” is spelt wrong, is there not an “e” in announcement. 🙂
    The end of the world is nigh, everyone is running around panicking like head less chickens and all your worried about is if there is an e in announcement.
    Yes your right there is.

  41. Ooh . . . so it might get cooler, or warmer. Who knows?
    X (MMCO2)+Y (Solar influence)+ Z ( all the stuff we don’t know)= Unknowable variable called weather.
    That should do it.

  42. Aparicia quotes a warmista:
    “My worry would be a global cooling, if it occurs, would mean people turn up their central heating, drive more as they dont like going out in the cold etc and thus use more fossil fuels and consequently increase global warming.”
    If warming can cause cooling, then why not cooling producing warming?

  43. Doesn’t worry me at all. I’ve semi-retired in Thailand. Pig farm and all. As a side benefit I will not have to chill my beer, just leave it out in the sun. ….
    As a serious aside. Maybe that is why Al Gore has “beefed” up. He is storing insulation in preparation. :-))
    regards

  44. SteveSadlov says:
    June 16, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    …The dream of colonizing space may vanish forever. Humanity and life itself may someday perish in silence on a sad old Earth as the Sun changes to such an extent that the conditions for life leave the Earth forever.

    I hate to break it to ya, but we ARE colonizing space–our little spaceship is called planet Earth. But here’s the stickler: If conditions on Earth are so formidable that we as the human race don’t survive, what leads you to believe that colonizing space outside of Earth is going to be as good as or better than our current surroundings? I don’t know of any planet in the Solar System I’d care to live on (I tend to enjoy walking around unfettered with a breathing apparatus, space suit, etc. even if I might have to wear a coat and mukluks) and I don’t think I’d like to strike out to another planet so distant only my grandchildren might (emphasis on the “might”) survive to their destination. (They’d likely find out that the star powering that planetary system is rather variable, too.) No, we’re likely living on the most hospitable space vehicle imaginable, albeit not a perfect one.

  45. Ian E says:
    June 17, 2011 at 1:09 am

    Possibly – but one must remember that this is the sort of data-mining that the Met Office has always used to try to ‘predict’ what the next year’s summer is going to be like – and we all know how well that has turned out. Without good, comprehensive theories to explain (quantitatively and qualitatively) such apparent trends, that is all they are – apparent!

    I disagree. The Met Office uses a big, fancy, expensive supercomputer with all algorithms set to “warm” when predicting weather.

  46. 10 years ago we weren’t converting 30% of our corn crop into auto fuel.
    For crying out loud, we have so much agriculture that we are still paying farmers to not farm. We have millions of acres that have been allowed to go fallow because they couldn’t compete with the wide open midwest farms.
    Even if we have a full blown Little Ice Age, there will be no mass starvation. Food prices will go up, and we might have to eat more grain and less meat. But that will be the extent of it.

  47. @Amino Acids in Meteorites (June 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm)
    That video delivers an interesting twist.

  48. ““This is highly unusual and unexpected,” Dr. Frank Hill, associate director of the NSO’s Solar Synoptic Network […]”
    So often we see “experts” cutting their own legs right out from under themselves like this [“This is highly unusual and unexpected”] when issuing science press releases.

  49. I don’t think you can blame poor quality of life during the middle ages on weather. As it is today, political instability kills. 12-1300 marks the rise of the nation state. I take issue with the idea that 1300-1500 was the worst time in European history. The feudal era prior to this time was much more uncertain, brutal and violent. Communities were unable to protect themselves from marauders and suffered constantly under them. Many towns were sacked yearly by Vikings and for hundreds of years every city, town and village along any waterway throughout Europe were subject to violent raids.
    The Rise of nation states brought stability and relative peace to Europe and trade expanded rapidly. There were numerous technological innovations in farming, husbandry and science. If The devastation of the great plague and smaller plague events that followed can be blamed on low global temperatures then I suppose a case can be made, but even the great population reduction has some positive social outcomes; labor became much more valuable and wealthy landowners now had to compete for labor.
    They adapted then and we will adapt to whatever climate we find ourselves in. We should be concentrating on providing ourselves with government that encourages growth and innovation (and one that doesn’t wreck our economic foundations for God’s sake!) We don’t need to hold up on our homes with guns and ammo, we need to keep the pressure on our representatives to reign in government spending, reduce regulation that retards innovation and growth and finally promote policies that will provide affordable energy to drive it all.
    I think the tide is turning.

  50. Well, nuts. Now we have to build a fence on the Canadian border.
    It is worth saying again. The science behind climate change is not settled in any material way. This is a very vivid illustration. Fighting fire with ice.
    At least this possibility has some historical record of correlation in support rather than in contravention (of C02 induced warming). And if warmists and government healthcare advocates get their way in shutting down energy production, economic activity and rationing healthcare resources, old people would be at risk.

  51. Cassie King says:
    June 16, 2011 at 11:38 pm
    “ . . . remember me.
    Unless you tell us something useful you are beginning to sound like Harold Camping and his end times predictions (note the plural) – and will be remembered similarly. I asked for details and you repeated your historical trek. Information, please?

  52. The Maunder Minimum occurred during a larger period of cooling, we’re coming off of a period of warming. So, I don’t expect it to be as bad as Maunder, but I do expect it to be worse than the cooling phase that ended in the 1970s.

  53. Reading these comments, it appears to me that many have not learned from the past, and will suffer the consequent condemnation. I’ll leave you to determine if you are among those to whom I refer.

  54. Mark Wilson says:
    June 17, 2011 at 5:52 am
    10 years ago we weren’t converting 30% of our corn crop into auto fuel.
    For crying out loud, we have so much agriculture that we are still paying farmers to not farm. We have millions of acres that have been allowed to go fallow because they couldn’t compete with the wide open midwest farms.
    Even if we have a full blown Little Ice Age, there will be no mass starvation. Food prices will go up, and we might have to eat more grain and less meat. But that will be the extent of it.

    Our agricultural success has come at a very steep price to the long term viability of the soils and aquifers underpinning that success. The soil depth in the Great Plains are now a small fraction of what they were when they first came under tillage. Consumption of water from the Oglala and other aquifers has severely depleted them, and the recharge rates cannot meet the future needs, especially in the event of mulit-decadal droughts typical of colder climatic conditions. The biofuels emphasis upon using grain crops requiring tillage of these depleted soils accelerates their reduction and threatens their continued viability for food production in the coming decades. At some point, someone is going to need to find a means of reversing the depletions and restoring the soi.ls and soil depths while maintaining critical agricultural production. No till crops and fallow land conservation is helping, but the massive addition of organic matter will ultimately be needed to recreate the lost soils.

  55. The odds of going into a Maunder Minimum (MM) are extremely low I would say based on the basic math. Radiative forcing during the period surrounding the MM were relatively small, so when the sunspot activity dropped we lost likely around have the signal strength which is around 0.2 W/m2 in total variance (0.1 W/m2 in relative change). Since we are currently estimated around 1.66 W/m2 a quite sun will only reducing climate forcing by 0.1 W/m2 which equals 1.56 W/m2 positive forcing all in.
    Unfortunately, we will continue to warm.

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