Guest Post by Ira Glickstein
What should a responsible Skeptic say to an astute audience? When recently invited by the “Technology, Engineering, and Science Plus” group in my community to give a talk and answer questions, I knew I would have an attentive room of tech-savvy professionals. However, they might not be fully tuned in to the details of the Global Warming controversy. Furthermore, they were likely to have opinions closer to the supposed “mainsteam science” orientation than mine.
In this posting, I’ve summarized the main points I think are most likely to align people who are both intelligent and reasonable to the Skeptic side. My Powerpoint (with talking points for each chart in the Notes section under each slide) is available [click here] for you to use and adapt as you wish.

A. Basic Climate Science – Water vapor (H2O), carbon dioxide (CO2), and other “greenhouse” gases cause the Earth Surface to be warmer than it would be if the Atmosphere was just nitrogen.
- Light energy from the Sun warms the Earth System, which consists of our Atmosphere and the Surface. Based on satellite measurements, the Sun provides 1366 Watts per square meter (W/m^2) at the Top of the Atmosphere. After accounting for the Earth’s spherical shape and albedo (reflectiveness), the absorbed energy averages out to about 240 W/m^2 for each square meter.
- To maintain a relatively constant mean temperature, Output Energy must equal Input Energy, so the Earth System must emit about 240 W/m^2 out to Space, which it does.
- We call the Input Energy “light” because we can see (much of) it. We call the Output Energy “heat” because we can feel it. However, whether it is “short wave” energy from the very hot Sun, or “long wave” from the more moderate Earth System, we know that energy is fungible. 240 W/m^2 of one type is equal, power-wise, to 240 W/m^2 of the other. A Watt is a Watt, no matter what :^)
- But, there is an “issue” – if we consider the Earth System as a “black body”, according to the laws of physics, for the Earth System to emit 240 W/m^2, it would have to be at a temperature of only 255 Kelvin, where Kelvins are degrees Celsius above absolute zero. (The Earth System is not exactly a black body, but it is close enough for our purposes here.)
- You may remember that anything above absolute zero emits radiant energy and that 0.0 Kelvin corresponds to -273ºC or -460ºF. The “issue” is that the Earth Surface has a mean temperature closer to 288 Kelvin, corresponding to about +15ºC or +59ºF. In other words, the Surface is about 33ºC or 58ºF warmer than the “black body” formula would indicate. How to explain this added warmth?
- The generally accepted explanation is the Atmospheric “greenhouse effect”. This is true science, but the name is somewhat misleading because a glass greenhouse works mostly by restricting convection while the Atmospheric effect works mostly by restricting radiation. I use “scare quotes” around “greenhouse” to acknowledge this semantic issue.
- The Atmosphere passes most of the “short wave” energy from the Sun and absorbs most of the “long wave” energy from the Surface. The absorbed energy warms the Atmosphere and is re-emitted in all directions at a variety of “long wave” wavelengths. A portion of radiation from the Atmosphere passes out the Top of the Atmosphere to Space. A portion is emitted in the downward direction and is absorbed by the Surface. This absorbed radiant energy accounts for most of the extra 33ºC or 58ºF.
- A variety of gases in the Atmosphere, primarily water vapor (H2O) and carbon dioxide (CO2), absorb and re-emit “long wave” radiation. These are called “greenhouse gases”.
B. Divergent Views – There is a valid, science-based argument between people I refer to as Warmists, Lukewarmers, and Skeptics. I distinguish their reasoned views from the far out, unscientific rantings of people I refer to as Alarmists and their equal and opposite reaction opponents, who I call Disbelievers.
- VP Al Gore was not the first Alarmist, but his public lectures and his Nobel and Oscar-winning movie, An “Inconvenient” Truth, probably did more than anything else to bring Global Warming Alarmism to the fore in the consciousness of the major media and the general population.
- The scene depicted above was the highlight of his presentation.
- Gore displays the Ice Core record of the past 600,000 years for CO2 (red) and Temperature (blue). He points out the undoubted correlation between the two parameters. When one goes up so does the other. When one goes down, the other does as well. He points out that the then current CO2 level is considerably higher than that of the past 600,000 years, and he projects the future levels of CO2 assuming it continues to rise at current rates. So far, this is all true.
- Dramatically ascending high above the stage on his motorized platform, he implies that mean temperatures will rise in proportion to the CO2. (My graphic is annotated in dashed blue to show the implied warming.) If that happens, he warns, more and more of the polar ice will melt, causing the seas to rise and flooding coastal areas. The ground under the polar ice will be exposed, further reducing the albedo of the Surface and causing further warming. We will reach a tipping point with runaway Global Warming.
- The villain of Gore’s story is the human race and our habit of burning ever-increasing quantities of fossil fuels (coal, oil, natural gas) that release unprecedented amounts of CO2. This scene, more than any other event, is most likely responsible for the birth of what has come to be known as Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming, CAGW. In other words, catastrophe due to human-caused Global Warming. It has become the mantra of the Alarmists and an excuse for governments to regulate all fossil fuels as well as land use that affects albedo. Since all industry and agriculture and civilized life itself depends upon fossil fuels and land use, the Alarmists give suitably oriented politicos an excuse to regulate and tax and restrict virtually everything. We outdoors types will need an indulgence from the government every time we pass wind. And, we can forget about lighting a campfire :^).
- But, as the annotations in my graphic above show, there is a fundamental “Inconvenient” truth about the ice core data. It has absolutely nothing to say about the current Global Warming controversy! Gore was misleading the media and the public when he implied that rising CO2 levels would cause corresponding increases in mean temperatures. In particular, as any scientist who took a close look at the ice core data would see, and as I show in the inset graph in the upper left corner, Temperature always rises eight-hundred or more years before CO2 increases. The same is true in the other direction. The Temperature falls eight-hundred or more years prior to CO2 decreases. What this shows, if anything, is that TEMPERATURE CAUSES CO2, or, that something else causes both to change, with CO2 lagging by hundreds of years. Gore got the direction of causation backwards.
- When the falsehood of this implied causation was pointed out, Gore’s apologists claimed that it was a minor matter and, after all, despite the 800-year lag, both Temperature and CO2 were up together and down together for about 5/6ths of the record. Besides, they said, we are currently burning historically unprecedented amounts of fossil fuel, and, we know that CO2 is a “greenhouse gas”, and so on and on. But, the truth is still that the ice core record is of a time when there were no humans to burn fossil fuels, so why did Gore bring it up since it has no relationship to our current situation? Raw, unfettered Alarmism has had its effect on the media, the political class, and we common citizens who have to pay the costs of the phony CAGW panic.
- In politics, as in physics, every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction. In the Case of CAGW, that opposite (and equally false) reaction is what I call Disbeliever AGW or DAGW. These are people who use pseudo-scientific arguments in their claim that humans have had absolutely no hand in the mean temperature rise of the past century, or that there has been no temperature rise, or that the basic science of the Atmospheric “greenhouse effect” is untrue, and so on. I do not like to be to critical of the DAGW crowd because, when it comes to general political decisions, they are more likely than not to agree with me than my opponents, but my academic integrity and ethical duty as a licensed professional engineer require me to state what I see as the error of their arguments. (As I have in my WUWT Visualizing series [1, 2, 3, 4, 5])
- Having dismissed what I regard as the unscientific Alarmists and Disbelievers, that leaves us with three groups that, for the most part, use rational science-base arguments for their diverse views. Of course, every member of each group has somewhat different views, and any attempt to divide them into three distinct types is bound to cross some lines. So, please consider my grouping as approximate.
- Carbon sensitivity, which is the estimate of how much mean temperatures will increase if CO2 doubles from historical or current levels, is one way to determine which of the the three groups a person belongs to. The Warmists tend to accept the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) estimate of 2.0ºC to 4.5ºC. The Skeptics tend to set carbon sensitivity much lower, perhaps 0.2ºC to 1ºC. The third group, which I call Lukewarmers, would suggest 1ºC to 3ºC.
- How much of the rise in CO2 is attributable to human use of fossil fuels is also estimated differently. Warmists would blame humans for nearly all of it, while Skeptics would say less than half. Similarly, the blame for the supposed 0.8ºC rise in mean temperatures since 1880 is mostly attributed to human activities, while Skeptics say that data bias “adjustments” by the official climate record keepers is responsible for about a third of the supposed warming, and that natural cycles, over which humans have no control, are responsible for about half of it, leaving only 0.1ºC (or maybe up to 0.2ºC) to human responsibility. Lukewarmers are somewhere in-between.
- Skeptics have well-justified suspicions that the official climate data keepers were “cooking the books” to lend whatever support they could to the highest estimates of carbon sensitivity. Around the year 2000, US Mean Temperature data was “adjusted” down by 0.1 to 0.2ºC for years prior to the 1970’s, and upwards by 0.2 to 0.3ºC for years after the 1970’s, increasing supposed warming by 0.3 to 0.5ºC.
- The surfacestations.org project published photos of official temperature measurement stations that were very near artificial sources of heat, with most being in the lowest two of the five quality levels established by the government. The poor quality stations were compared to nearby well-located stations. There were large temperature deltas that could only be accounted for if the the stations now poorly-located were originally well-located, but had been influenced by nearby development, such as paved parking lots, buildings, and air conditioning vents.
- According to a figure in the 1990 IPCC report, 1100 to 1300 AD saw temperatures in the northern hemisphere that were higher than current levels. However, the IPCC 2001 report included the infamous so-called “hockey stick” chart that managed to make the Medieval Warm Period of about 1000 years ago disappear! (My Powerpoint set includes charts with evidence of each of the aforementioned issues.)
- These suspicions were not fully confirmed until 2009 when someone (probably an inside whistle-blower) released emails and computer code from the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) in the UK, and, later that year, a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request yielded a stash from the US NASA-GISS (Goddard Institute for Space Studies).
C. Climategate – UK Climatic Research Unit (CRU) emails and the US NASA GISS FOIA emails. What they tell us about the published Global Warming data.

- I refer to the CRU as the Climategate Research Unit or, more simply, the Fudge Factory because the words “fudge factor” appear in their computer code. Phil Jones, PhD, is the CRU Director. He confirmed suspicions about the infamous “Hockey Stick” graph when, in an email, he called it “Mike’s Nature trick” (because a version of that graph appeared in a paper by Dr. Michael Mann in the prestigious journal Nature ). He also wrote that the “trick” was designed to “hide the decline” in tree ring proxy data. The tree-ring expert associated with CRU, Keith Brifa, PhD, admits, in one of the emails that “the recent warmth was probably matched about 1,000 years ago”. (My Powerpoint set includes slides with direct quotes from the Climategate materials.)

- Moving on to the FOIA emails from GISS, it is interesting to note that their HQ, in New York City, happens to be in the same building as the famous restaurant where Jerry Seinfeld dined with George, Kramer, and Elaine. (It was never revealed what Kramer did for a living – perhaps he was the chief analyst at GISS :^)
- The most revealing email from GISS is reproduced above. It was from Makiko Sato, PhD to her Boss, GISS-Director James Hansen, PhD, detailing the seven different analyses and comparisons of US mean temperatures for 1934 and 1998. The later year was the hottest in the 1990’s, so it was, let us say “inconvenient” that 1934, according to data published by GISS in 1999, was over 0.5ºC warmer. If Global Warming was almost entirely due to recent human activities, and was accelerating, how could the 1930 have been warmer?
- Just as the Hockey Stick made the Medieval Warm Period disappear, GISS tried mightily to make 1934 cooler than 1998, but only succeeded in reducing the 0.5ºC lead into a dead heat. Notice that the 0.5ºC “adjustment” is more than half the supposed total warming since 1880.
- I would like to trust the work of taxpayer-supported science, but, it seems, we must rely on President Reagan’s advice regarding the old Soviet Union, “Trust, but verify!”
D. What We Can and Should Do – Energy policy (cap and trade scam vs carbon tax). Efficiency, conservation, “green“, and renewable sources.
- I am quite sure that Global Warming is REAL (i.e. the mean temperature of the Surface has increased by 0.5 to 0.6ºC since 1880) but, most of that increase is due to Natural Cycles over which we humans have no control.
- However, the warming is PARTLY Due to Rising CO2 Levels and human actions are PART of the Cause.
- There is not and never has been any real danger of catastrophe or even of serious net detriment to human life due to increased CO2 levels. Indeed, modest increases in these parameters are most likely a net benefit.
- However, we Skeptics have to be realistic in the current political climate. Like it or not (and I do not like it) the official climate “Team” (i.e., the “Hockey Team” :^) has convinced the political and media establishment, and much of the population that something has to be done. We cannot fight something with nothing, so we need something more than a passive policy of do nothing because nothing is necessary.
- Therefore, I favor reduction of the carbon footprint by efficiency, conservation, recycling, and so on, plus the introduction, if and when economically practical of so-called “Green” energy, including Nuclear, Water, Wind, Biomass and, particularly, “Clean” Coal.
- If nothing else, these will do minimum harm and, if successful, will reduce US dependence upon foreign oil. We have spent, and continue to sacrifice too much blood and treasure protecting our access, and that of our allies, to energy from unstable regions of the world.
- As for the Cap and Trade scam, it is a Politician’s Delight that rewards powerful Interests, wrecks the economy, and will NOT significantly reduce carbon emissions. It seems to me that some countries and US states that have adopted Cap and Trade have realized their folly and are backing away from it.
- You may be surprised that I favor some version of a straight Carbon Tax, collected at the mine, well, and port, with the proceeds returned on an equal basis to citizens and legal residents. Yes, James Hansen and (pardon the expression Ralph Nader) also favor it, but, so do conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer, the Wall Street Journal, and others on the right. My support for this tax is based on what I wrote above, “We cannot fight something with nothing” and “We have spent, and continue to sacrifice too much blood and treasure protecting our access, and that of our allies, to energy from unstable regions of the world.”
I’m interested in your critique and comments. (My Powerpoint presentation is available [click here] for you to use and adapt as you wish..)
“You may remember that anything above absolute zero emits radiant energy and that 0.0 Kelvin corresponds to -273ºC or -460ºF. The “issue” is that the Earth Surface has a mean temperature closer to 288 Kelvin, corresponding to about +15ºC or +59ºF. In other words, the Surface is about 33ºC or 58ºF warmer than the “black body” formula would indicate. How to explain this added warmth?”
This ‘added warmth’, could it not come from the massive thermal actions present below our planet’s crustal mantle? Heat cannot be contained in an enclosed space without its energy being transferred in some shape or form?
“mainsteam science”, I read that as “steampunk science”.
izen says:
May 31, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Actually the recent CO2 increase has a clear fingerprint of its human origins in the change in isotopic ratios of the atmospheric carbon. The fall in C14 and C13 percentages show that the additional CO2 has come from fossil fuels
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More CO2 Peculiarities: The C13/C12 Isotope Ratio
Roy W. Spencer
January 28, 2008
In my previous post, I showed evidence for the possibility that there is a natural component to the rise in concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. Briefly, the inter-annual co-variability in Southern Hemisphere SST and Mauna Loa CO2 was more than large enough to explain the long-term trend in CO2. Of course, some portion of the Mauna Loa increase must be anthropogenic, but it is not clear that it is entirely so.
Well, now I’m going to provide what appears to be further evidence that there could be a substantial natural source of the long-term increase in CO2.
One of the purported signatures of anthropogenic CO2 is the carbon isotope ratio, C13/C12. The “natural” C13 content of CO2 is just over 1.1%. In contrast, the C13 content of the CO2 produced by burning of fossil fuels is claimed to be slightly smaller – just under 1.1%
BOTTOM LINE: If the C13/C12 relationship during NATURAL inter-annual variability is the same as that found for the trends, how can people claim that the trend signal is MANMADE??
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/01/28/spencer-pt2-more-co2-peculiarities-the-c13c12-isotope-ratio/
Many good things on this post. One question I have concerns the 800 year lag. I’ve tried to actually find this in the data, and have been unsuccessful. For example, looking at the Vostok ice core, the CO2 data doesn’t even have 800 year resolution, so I don’t see how the delay is calculated. Is there a reliable dataset to support this, and perhaps some R or Matlab code to look at the delays?
(QUOTE)This ‘added warmth’, could it not come from the massive thermal actions present below our planet’s crustal mantle? Heat cannot be contained in an enclosed space without its energy being transferred in some shape or form?(END QUOTE)
Oh so true and yet largely ignored as well as the release of huge amounts of Co2 with it,ESPECIALLY in periods of INCREASED seismic and thermal vent activity in the same time frame caused by the solar system nearing the Galactic equator.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13569442
Just as it did 65 million years ago!!!
We ARE in the SAME location as the end-Permian extinction…. AGAIN.
We ARE in the SAME spiral arm as the end-Permian extinction….. AGAIN
We are crossing the SAME thin magnetic disc of the Galactic Plane equator …..AGAIN
We ARE experiencing the SAME increase in Volcanic activity as the end-Permian extinction…. AGAIN
We ARE experiencing the SAME increase in Co2 as the end-Permian extinction ….AGAIN
We ARE experiencing the SAME increase in OCEAN temperature just before the end-Permian extinction …AGAIN
http://tinyurl.com/2d5fwrz http://tinyurl.com/23dfm2n
http://tinyurl.com/2d5fwrz
http://tinyurl.com/23dfm2n
Just look at the Ice core records there HAS ALWAYS been a catastrophic disaster after NATURAL Co2 reaches around 400ppm. In the last 12 catastrophic disasters,there has been a correlation of;
A SEISEMIC Co2 rise=THIS TIME,YES.
A spiral arm encounter,= THIS TIME,YES.
A Galactic Equator encounter,= THIS TIME,YES.
A magnetic reversal,= THIS TIME ““IS IMMINANT”“,SO YES.
A deep ice age after,= TIME FRAME EVIDENCE AGREES,!! SO YES.
An extinction event, = TIME FRAME EVIDENCE AGREES,!! SO YES.
An encounter with a Photon Band =THIS TIME YES.
A Harmonic convergence = THIS TIME YES.
At the EXACT same position in space where there has two major extinction events, Cambrian and Permian Now join to that fact, this interglacial warm period is due to end circa 2012 and we just happen to be crossing the thin magnetic disc of the Galactic Plane circa 2012,plus a ““magnetic reversal imminant”” circa 2012 says National Geographic.
The Oceans warming IS the source of the carbon dioxide rise.
The SORCE of the Oceans warming IS the INCREASED OUTPUT from 3 MILLION + VOLCANOES,BLACK SMOKERS,A HUGE INCREASED AREA OF HOT ROCK SURFACE AND GIGANTIC SUPER-HEATED HYDROTHERMAL VENTS OF BOILING WATER,JUST AS IAN PLIMER HAS STATED !!. JUST THE SAME AS IT HAS DONE IN EVERY PAST EPISODE JUST BEFORE ENTRY TO A >> ““DEEP ICE AGE”“<<
Is increasing atmospheric co2 man made or natural? by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/01/increasing-atmospheric-co2-manmade…or-natural/
” The rate of human emissions is very small in magnitude compared to the average rate of CO2 exchange between the atmosphere and the surface (land + ocean): somewhere in the 5% to 10% range.”
“A decrease in the relative amount of C13 in the atmosphere is also consistent with other biological sources. And since most of the cycling of CO2 between the ocean, land, and atmosphere is due to biological processes, this alone does not make a decreasing C13/C12 ratio a unique marker of an anthropogenic source.”
Always great to hear from you Wayne and THANKS for catching the typo on my Powerpoint chart (you are correct it is 1366 Watts/meter^2 Solar irradiation at the top of the Atmosphere, not 1336). I have fixed the master copy on my laptop but not the copy at https://sites.google.com/site/bigira/climate-related-ppt/TESP-Climate-May2011.ppt?attredirects=0&d=1 because I am concerned an update there will change the URL and make the Powerpoint unavailable to those who have the current URL.
You are correct that a pure nitrogen Atmosphere would change the albedo of the Earth System since there would be no clouds to reflect Sunlight. But, in which direction?
Absent the albedo contribution of clouds, you calculate “273.7 K (0.5 ºC)” rather than the 288 K we have now with clouds and the GHE. But, at tat low a mean surface temperature, would we not have more surface ice and does not ice have higher albedo than bare ground? So, even without clouds, we might have about the same albedo, perhaps more, which would reduce the net absorption back to 240 Watts/m^2.
I have read about the Aussie version of the carbon tax and also watched the video you linked to and it is nothing like what I have suggested. As I have written above, I support a revenue-neutral Carbon Tax mainly as a tactical ploy against Cap & Trade (and a carbon tax of the Aussie variety), and for reasons of energy independence and to get the government out of the business of picking winners for alternative fuels. I only support such a tax if it is across-the-board, all fossil fuels, no exceptions, etc., and all revenues distributed equally to citizens and legal residents, and a pre-set schedule for regular increases to the initially small tax percentage. If any of these points is absent, I oppose it.
Interesting except for the blackbody thing.
‘NASA Abandoned Flawed Climate Calculations in 1960’s
Siddons, Hertzberg and Schreuder were astonished to find that “the principal method for predicting a planet’s temperature is surprisingly arbitrary and simplistic.” That was, they believe, why NASA needed to set aside the blackbody equations when doing their own calculations for the Moon landings.
Stefan-Boltzmann Calculations Way Out
The paper tells us how far out Stefan-Boltzmann’s equations could be, “the surface of the real moon is roughly 20° cooler than predicted by day and 60° warmer by night, the net result being a surface that is 40° warmer than predicted.”
Read more at Suite101: Apollo Mission: A Giant Leap Contradicting Greenhouse Gas Theory | Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/content/apollo-mission-a-giant-leap-to-discredit-greenhouse-gas-theory-a241363#ixzz1Nz9sI454
Jim Cripwell, at the head of part B of my posting I rejected both the Alarmists and those I call Disbelievers as lacking reason and being un-scientific. They are unworthy of participating in a scientific discussion. (Those I call Disbelievers are sometimes termed, as you called them “the out and out deniers”, but I have changed the name because of the “baggage” that the term “deniers” carries.)
On the other hand, while I do not agree with the Warmists, I do respect their dedication to scientific fact and conversation. I hope most of them extend the same courtesy to those of us who are Lukewarmers and Skeptics. I think it prudent for members of these three groups to totally reject both the Alarmists and the Disbelievers so we can have a rational conversation. Furthermore, I believe a rational conversation can lead to agreement closer to the Skeptic position than to that of the Warmists. For example, I think that in a decade or less, you will be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks CO2 sensitivity is above 2ºC, and the general consensus will be closer to 1ºC, which, for all practical purposes, is way too small to take any action that will wreck economies.
I think that a presentation of the actual absorption spectra of the components of the atmosphere is important. Often CO2 is characterized as a blanket covering the Earth, but it is more like a scarf around the neck with a principle absorption band at 15 microns. Water as H2O and H2O:H2O: aggregates in the atmosphere can be as much as 75 times more prevalent than CO2 at the surface in the tropics.
All heat convected out must be converted to radiant energy by the time it reaches the tropopause. Below that level, water vapor has the primary radiant express ticket out.
All greenhouse gases both absorb and emit the same radiant energy, I believe, as a consequence of time reversal invariance. Note that the temperature at the tropopause (~ -55 deg C) is much colder than the vacuum average black-body temperature of the Earth. I believe that radiation from water vapor in the atmosphere is the only way that this can happen, as it is my understanding that CO2 only has cooling effect for those levels of the atmosphere above the stratosphere.
Water vapor, I understand, goes from concentrations, perhaps, as high as 30,000 ppm at the surface to less than 10 ppm at the tropopause due to progressive condensation. Thus water vapor emission wavelengths have a clear path to outer space from there on out. Perhaps the stratopause is that level in the atmosphere where CO2 radiation begins to have a direct path to outer space.
Here are a couple of example charts:
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/atmospheric_spectral_absorption.png
http://www.globalwarmingart.com/images/7/7c/Atmospheric_Transmission.png
THANKS Jamie Cawley, and AMEN!
Ahem.
It is the surface of the earth (blades of grass, surface of cars, concrete, etc) that cools, not the air.
Do you know what dew is?
How it is formed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dew
Excerpt:
Dew is water in the form of droplets that appears on thin, exposed objects in the morning or evening. As the exposed surface cools by radiating its heat, atmospheric moisture condenses at a rate greater than that at which it can evaporate, resulting in the formation of water droplets.
When temperatures are low enough, dew takes the form of ice; this form is called frost.
Because dew is related to the temperature of surfaces, in late summer it is formed most easily on surfaces which are not warmed by conducted heat from deep ground, such as grass, leaves, railings, car roofs, and bridges.
Dew should not be confused with guttation, which is the process by which plants release excess water from the tips of their leaves.
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Do you think it is possible for a cloud deck at 10,000 feet (whose temp might be -15 deg C) could keep a surface (at say 25 deg C) ‘warmer’ overnight? (Ans: Yes this is true; has been observed methodologically many times)
That is to say, the overnight temperature drop is 7 deg C w/o a cloud deck, but the drop is only 3 deg C with clouds?
Now substitute your choice of a GHG (WV or CO2) from the surface up to that 10,000 feet level …
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Great question H.R.! If we assume (worst case) that the human contribution to CO2 over the past century is about 50 ppmv (a bit less than half of the total 100 ppmv rise) and that mean temperatures rose about 0.5ºC over the same period, about half of that rise, 0.25ºC would have caused about 50 ppmv of CO2. Thus, assuming a linear relationship (which may not be exact) temperatures would have to rise about 2ºC to double CO2 naturally via temperature rise. If actual CO2 sensitivity is around 0.5ºC for doubling, then humans have over a century before CO2 (both natural and artificial) doubles.
Of course, if we are at the start of a multi-decadal cooling period (as some predict based on Sunspot cycles and ocean oscillations) natural cycles may result in net cooling. If that happens, CO2 may follow downwards, and we may come to be thankful for the warming of the past century.
Hey, if I was looking for a government grant I would suggest catastrophic Global Cooling is on the horizon. So, we’ve got to cancel all the “green” alternative energy projects and revert to dirty coal to keep our Big Blue Marble from frosting over, increasing albedo, and “tipping pointing” us into “runaway” freezing.
Oh, how I wish I was still in the business of writing proposals for government contracts! Lucky for me I moved to Florida from New York which will keep me from totally freezing. (But, I wish I had hung on to my cross-country skis :^)
Latitude says:
May 31, 2011 at 8:46 am
Smokey says:
May 31, 2011 at 3:35 am
Ira has a talent for writing articles that generate lots of resposnses. I like that.
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true…..
I’m amazed at the amount of people that think this is a good presentation though……
Well, one or two of the slides sure are pretty.
🙂
An “Alarmist” probably won’t like it because, well, it simply isn’t alarming enough for them at all.
A “Warmist” probably won’t like it because, well, anything that implies that anything they say is wrong is, uh, wrong.
A “Lukewarmer” probably won’t like it because, well, it’s not too hot and it’s not too cold, but neither is it “just right”.
A “Skeptic” probably won’t like it because, well, it has too many “certain” uncertainties and while it implies nothing can be done it then tells us what we should do.
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A “disbeliever” probably won’t like it because, well, it asks them to believe something.
I’m alarmed by some of it, somewhat warmed by what I perceived as the heartfelt portions, lukewarm regarding some of the assertions, skeptical over the conclusion, and in disbelief that many don’t see that the overall presentation ultimately will “give them an inch” and allow them to “take a mile”.
But, that’s just me. Perhaps, I’m just not in one of Ira’s “five” – maybe we need a sixth category – “Believer” – believing that the science position and the political position in this discussion should be kept separate until the science position is much better defined. Indeed, a well defined scientific truth would set us all free, would it not?
Attention those still having doubts about ‘surface radiation’ directly into space (as the primary means of cooling the surface of the earth) – in the History Of Refrigeration (pdf file) one finds this notable tidbit:
Hmmm … IR radiation directly into space from the surface as a cooling mechanism … amazing …
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izen says:
May 31, 2011 at 5:23 pm
“Actually the recent CO2 increase has a clear fingerprint of its human origins in the change in isotopic ratios of the atmospheric carbon. The fall in C14 and C13 percentages show that the additional CO2 has come from fossil fuels.”
A change in ratios cannot show what you think it can. Since both items are free to change, a change in ratios cannot show that one item changed and the other did not. You are assuming that one of the items is held constant, the default Warmista assumption. Eternal peace until man disturbs it.
“To attribute the rise to “the warming since the LIA ” would require a physical process that would release the required amount of extra CO2 from biological sources. No such process is known, and certainly not one which would exclude all C14.”
That would be the same physical process that caused the part of “the warming since the LIA” that occurred before manmade CO2 could have had an impact. If you want to argue that manmade CO2 is necessary as a cause, you must first establish that the warming since 1980 or so could not be an extension of recovery from the LIA. That requires a Hockey Stick. Hockey Sticks are made by LIARS.
“That is the nature of positive feedbacks.
Because the positive feedback gives diminishing ‘returns’ (the CO2 effect is logarithmic and energy emissions rise proportionately to the fourth power of the temperature in Kelvins) it can never be a ‘runaway’ positive feedback.”
Since talk of Positive Feedbacks flows so easily from your lips, do you happen to have a description of one? Not a theoretical fantasy of one, but an actual description that has been validated in the normal scientific way? It would contain some physical hypotheses which describe some natural regularities whose behavior is the vehicle for increased warming. These hypotheses would be reasonably well-confirmed from a prolonged series of observations of the environment. Do you have anything like that? I won’t hold my breath waiting for your answer. Given that no one has a scientific description of an actual existing Positive Feedback, why does talk of them flow so easily from your lips?
(Arrhenius’ hypotheses do not count because they are the starting point; that is, they tell us simply that CO2 particles can recycle radiation. We are interested in the forcings caused by such recycled radiation, forcings which might increase cloud cover, for example. But we might find that the increased cloud cover yields a net cooling of the atmosphere. You are aware that this matter of forcings has not been sorted out at all, right?)
Don’t you think it is peculiar that Positive Feedbacks exist only in computerized climate models. No Positive Feedback has been discovered in the wild. I find it equally interesting that every computerized climate model does contain Positive Feedbacks. Why are climate models that way? Are they based on innate ideas that are brought to light through meditation on one’s own ideas rather than through empirical work?
Ira:
I dunno… Let’s see, your planned audience is a “Technology, Engineering, and Science Plus” group in your community. So, everyone will follow you when you jump from rough Black Body concepts to scare quotes around greenhouse? In just a few short paragraph’s you’ll aggravate people from English majors to Physicists and bore the pants off the electronic techs.
Leave off the technical dross and structure the presentation so that it is easily understood by everyone in the audience; including the spouses and dates.
Avoid unclear or mysterious allusions; scare quotes really… State the issue clearly and succinctly. Alarmism is not science. Scaring the public is just an attempt to cause a stampede that serves the purpose of the stampeders.
Lose the terms disbeliever, alarmist, warmist, sceptical, and lukewarmers. Yes, they are cute terms for blogs but they have no place in a serious presentation. These terms are still insulting, wimpy insults yes, but still demeaning to both presenter and presented. Do the right thing. Focus instead on what science is and how a legitimate scientist studies and conducts science. It is the duty and right of scientists to question! Science is never settled! Also when you dismiss individuals categorically, you decidedly alienate anyone in your audience who rightly or wrongly believe you mean them.
You devote a lot of space and print to Gore’s inconvenient lie, almost all of that is aboout the Co2-Temperature chart. You could chop that segment down to a digestible few sentences without giving Gore so much press and highlighting that is just one of Gore’s errors.
Any accusations you make, whether about statements, emails, modelling or data mishandling, you need to include proof. Your say so, is second and third hand evidence and amounts to gossip, slurs and potentially libel. Be careful of these statements in public without documentation in hand. Perhaps it would be better to introduce the documentation timely during the presentation, leave off possibly incorrect characterizations and let the audience draw their own conclusions.
Carbon tax? When some friends of mine found their pseudo science climate argument with me imploded, their final attempt at justification was “Don’t I think mankind has caused at least some damage to our environment?” Of course, the logical conclusion of that final tidbit was that mankind deservered punishment aka “carbon tax” Phooey!
All in all, I think your heart is in the right place. I just don’t think this presentation is ready for prime time. You need to focus the message(s) you are delivering, avoid unnecessary prattle, document anything that might be construed as an aspersion, drop the insulting people characterizations and keep your personal opinion beliefs(carbon tax indeed, do you have any idea just how much tax is already on carbon fuels?) to separate pontifications, preferably in a bar amongst friends.
amabo, as I understand the facts and implications of “Mike’s Nature trick” and “hide the decline” (from CRU Director Phil Jones’ Ciimategate emails):
1) It was “inconvenient” to the Alarmists for it to have been warmer 1000 years ago since the thrust of their theory is that human activities of the industrial age, such as large-scale use of fossil fuels and land use, are warming the planet in a dangerous way. If it was warmer 1000 years ago, before large-scale industrialization, that must have been due to natural climate cycles, so their human-caused argument goes away.
2) Thus, the Medieval Warm Period, featured in the IPCC 1990 report as figure 7c (and reproduced above as the top panel in my second graphic in this posting), had to be replaced by a more friendly graph of temperatures from 1000 AD to the present.
3) So, a new figure, a version of which was published in 1998 in the prestigious journal Nature by Michael Mann, was used in the 2001 IPCC report (and reproduced above as the lower panel of my second graphic in this posting). Read the caption in the lower right corner and you will see that the blue line (and the black smoothed line) from 1000 to the 1990’s are based on “tree rings, corals, ice cores, and historical records (blue)” and the red line from 1880 to 1998 is based on “Data from thermometers (red)”. There is nothing inherently wrong with this technique. No reliable thermometer readings are available prior to the 1880’s so they had to use proxies for that period, and, given reliable thermometers since 1880, it makes sense to use them. So far so good.
4) The problem (for the Alarmists) is that historical records show that the Medieval Warm Period undoubtedly happened, because, for example, they reported growing grapes in places where it is now too cold to do so, there was successful agriculture in Greenland, etc. So, according to a Climategate email by CRU Deputy Director and tree-ring expert Keith Briffa, there was “… pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’…” So, I believe, they “cherry-picked” the tree-ring data for samples that, for whatever reason (probably local conditions) did not show the warming that occurred between 1100 and 1300.
5) The problem with that tree-ring data was that it also did not show any temperature rise from about 1960 on, despite the fact that thermometer data showed a rise. So, what to do? If a given set of trees did not record the undoubted temperature rise from 1960 to the present (and even showed a decline), how could they be reliable proxies for any time in the past? That was when IMHO they crossed the line from science to fraud. Instead of discarding that clearly faulty proxy, or presenting ALL of it in their graphic, they decided to “hide the decline” by either not including the tree-ring data from 1960 on -or- adding what the programmer, in his or her notes in the actual code (reproduced in my Powerpoint set) called a “fudge factor” and “Apply a VERY ARTIFICIAL correction for decline !!” (Upper case and double exclamation in original.)
6) That was what Phil Jones called “Mike’s Nature trick” to “hide the decline” – terminating the wayward tree-ring proxy data after 1960 or substituting a fudge factor. Pay attention to the last part (which I highlighted) of this extract from Briffa’s Climategate email: “… pressure to present a nice tidy story as regards ‘apparent unprecedented warming in a thousand years or more in the proxy data’… I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1,000 years ago.” So, Briffa, the tree-ring expert, and Deputy to Phil Jones, believed the Medieval Warm Period was real. Despite that, and his email, the CRU and the IPCC went ahead and published the graphic that does away with the Medieval Warm Period, which I think is a clear violation of scientific ethics.
Thus, the Medieval Warm Period, and the efforts of the Alarmists to make it go away, is directly related to “Mike’s Nature trick” to “hide the decline”.
I believe that the recent warmth was probably matched about 1,000 years ago.”
THANKS Alvin. Each Powerpoint chart has a sort of script that could be read when the charts are presented. (In the Notes section under the chart which you can see and print out if you use the Powerpoint program to open it.) However, since your audience will have questions (as mine did), it is best if you know the stuff so you can answer them.
Do you see any problems with our importing any amount of ethanol?
(Aside from cries from the farm/ag lobby?)
“Currently, imported ethanol is subjected to a 2.5 percent ad valorem tax and an additional 54 cents a gallon surcharge …” (Ref 1)
Refs
1) http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2010/04/11/understanding-the-ethanol-tariff-issue/
2) http://automotivediscovery.com/ethanol-tax-credit-and-tariff-could-be-repealed/928292/
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THANKS John B and here is what I think of the items in your list:
1. Human CO2 emissions have caused CO2 build up in the atmosphere yes, absent human activities CO2 levels would be perhaps 50 ppmv lower
2. CO2 is a greenhouse gas yes, but H2O has more of an effect
3. Human emitted CO2 has a significant added greenhouse effect over natural effects yes, if you consider 0.1ºC or 0.2ºC significant compared to the supposed 0.8ºC rise
4. Recent warming has been measured yes, but at least a third, and perhaps half of the supposed 0.8ºC rise is due to data bias “cooking the books” as evidenced by the UK Climategate and US FOIA emails
5. This warming is unprecedented Absolutely NOT. According to historical records, it was warmer 1000 years ago, even according to CRU Deputy Director Keith Briffa
6. It can be attributed to human emitted CO2 Absolutely NOT. Only 0.1ºC or 0.2ºC of the warming is due to human activities.
7. The warming will get worse due to positive feedbacks Absolutely NOT. Even if natural cycles ceased altogether -which is impossible- and human CO2 continued to rise -which is likely- the cloud feedbacks are mostly negative, so net warming will continue to be small, perhaps another 1ºC over the coming decades.
8. We are fairly confident on the sign and magnitude of those feedbacks Absolutely NOT, and any estimates we have will likely be overwhelmed by the effects of natural cycles, over which we humans have no control.
9. The effects of the continued warming will be bad Absolutely NOT. Modest increases in temperature and CO2 are most likely to have net benefits for human civilization.
10. There are things we can do about to mitigate the continued warming Technically very little we can do, even if a benevolent dictator was in charge of the whole world. In practical real politic terms, there is nothing we can do to mitigate the warming, except wreck our economies, and even that will not accomplish much, And, we may see cooling due to natural cycles, and come to be thankful for the modest warming of the past century.
11. The effects of those things will be good What “things”? If you mean the modest warming and CO2 rising, yes, that is and will probably be good. If you mean drastic government programs to “mitigate” anything, then the results will most likely be bad, very bad indeed!
RJ says:
May 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Reed Coray
“1. Human CO2 emissions have caused CO2 build up in the atmosphere [Probably.]”
Probably on what grounds. Human emissions are around 8% or less of the total. Natural 92%. It seems unlikely that the increase is due to humans. A better answer might be unknown but unlikely.
I say “probably” because (a) a by product of the burning of most fossil fuels is CO2, (b) from the Mauna Loa data atmospheric CO2 levels have increased since 1950, (c) it seems to me some of this increase (unknown amount) comes from that burning, and (d) the original statement didn’t specify what percentage of the buildup is human induced. I may have fallen into Ira’s trap in that I wanted to throw the warmists a bone. You’re “probably” correct.
Best article I’ve read on AGW yet. However I disagree with this: “We cannot fight something with nothing, so we need something more than a passive policy of do nothing because nothing is necessary.”
There is another way: PRETEND to be doing something. This seems to be Tony Abbott’s adopted stance. He is pretending that the Liberal Party will do something when elected, but of course he will scale back any policies once in government. It’s a good strategy and it’s working.
A carbon tax is a tax on a fundamental human technology – control of fire.
It is pointless and probably harmful to do this.
No compromise, no mercy and no prisoners when dealing with the warmist barbarians.
The problem with assuming that much of the current rise in CO2 came from the ocean is the extreme sensitivity required. 110 ppm for a 0.8 degree C temperature rise is equivalent to a 137.5 ppm/deg C rate. At this rate, a temperature drop of about 2.8 degrees would remove all the CO2 from the atmosphere. Given that the average temperature of the ocean is about 17 deg C, this would imply that cooling the ocean to 14.2 degrees C would cause it to suck up all the CO2 in the atmosphere.
I know that it is possible to match the two curves to a high degree of accuracy with a selected multistage low-pass filter on the temperature data with selected optimum initial states but this yields a much higher long-term sensitivity when all the filters finally settle out.
Perhaps the only way to absolve Man of adding 110 ppm CO2 to the atmosphere (which is like adding a fourth scarf around your neck) might be to generate a compilation of the total carbon pumped or mined from the ground over the last 100 years and compare that to the observed CO2 increase.