Help asked for Dr. Tim Ball in legal battle with Dr. Mann

Dr. Ball at left, Dr. Mann at right

This is a scheduled auto-post done from my hotel WiFi last night.

This below sent to me by John O. Sullivan on behalf of Dr. Tim Ball. Like with the Sydney rally I posted on earlier, I have no dog in the fight. I’m just passing this on for interested readers with this comment: While the allegedly libelous phrase at issue is not repeated here, I find it amazing and ironic that Dr. Michael Mann is making the effort to sue about it.

Due to the extra attention Dr. Mann has attracted with the lawsuit, the exposure of the phrase is now far and above what it was when originally posted on the Canadian website. I didn’t even know of it until the lawsuit was announced. I’ve had far worse things said about me in this climate debate turned ugly, and the best legal advice I’ve seen given to public figures in the news business is that they generally are not successful when suing for alleged slander/libel, especially for something that is a critical opinion piece with what appears to be a satirical joke line. Criticism and satire in an opinion piece are generally hard to challenge legally in the USA, though it is different in Canada. In Canada, the law is broader. Even so, I don’t think Dr. Mann or his attorney are going to be prepared for the demands of discovery on this one, nor do I think he will prevail in his lawsuit, based on similar failed actions I’ve seen against anchors and reporters in the TV news business when challenged by a public figure. Whether Dr. Mann realizes it or not, he is probably the most well known public figure in climate science next to Al Gore and Dr. James Hansen.

But, buy popcorn, and if so inclined, there’s a link to help out Dr. Ball.

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Top Climate Skeptic Seeks Help in Double-barrel Courtroom Shootout

By John O. Sullivan

Esteemed climate scientist, Tim Ball faces two costly courtroom libel battles. Here he reveals his concerns and appeals for help with his legal fees.

Dr. Tim Ball is widely recognized as one of Canada’s first qualified climate scientists and has long been one of the most prominent skeptics taking a stand on corruption and unethical practices. Two exponents of the global warming scare Ball has targeted, professors Michael Mann and Andrew Weaver, are now suing him for libel.

Many suspect the David Suzuki Foundation is funding Vancouver libel specialist, Roger D. McConchie who is representing both Weaver and Mann against Ball. Suzuki is reported as wanting skeptics like Ball “put in prison.”

Savvy skeptics suspect that Ball, a 72-year-old pensioner, was singled out as a target because he has no big corporate backers and will capitulate under the emotional and financial strain before the case even gets to trial as his legal fees spiral. Such a fate befell Ball in a prior libel suit in 2006.

But buoyed by the public sympathy Ball is now gaining he is confident an appeal for donors will make all the difference. He is adamant that this is the perfect opportunity skeptics have been waiting for to expose climate change fraud in a court of law and he won’t be bounced out of this most crucial contest.

Below Dr. Ball (TB) speaks frankly to John O’Sullivan (JOS).

INTERVIEW

JOS: Now that you’ve been hit with two very expensive libel suits in quick succession rumors are mounting that well-funded environmentalists are now intent on using the law to kill off free speech in the climate debate. Would you agree with this assessment?

TB: I am not aware of specific evidence of such a campaign or the financing. The practice of bringing lawsuits has been going on for some time but it was spasmodic. More recently, that is over the last year or so, it has increased, particularly with the charges by Weaver through McConchie against the National Post. One change was the addition of important people to the Suzuki Board back in 2009, such as John Lefebvre, but also included Westport Innovation CEO Elaine Wong, that brought additional money as Chris Horner pointed out. Another addition to the Board was equally disturbing, not because of the money but because of the compromise of integrity. George Stroumboulopolos is the host of a weekly program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC).

Other increased activities centered on publication of Hoggan and Littlemore’s book Climate Cover Up. This book includes attacks on specific people including me. It makes the usual list of false charges including that I am paid by the oil companies. Then there was Weaver’s book Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a warming World, with a cover note by Suzuki that says, A gripping narrative, this should be the final alarm.

JOS: Desmogblog, funded by the Suzuki Foundation, has been ‘showcasing’ such legal attacks on scientists like you. Do you fear this new trend towards litigation is the inevitable course for the climate debate, and if so do you see any positive outcome for science?

TB: As noted above this is not new litigation but the intensity has increased. As you also know, people like Fred Singer received such threats a few years ago like me. I have mixed feelings about the activities. Personally it is intimidating because of the costs involved if nothing else. Legally it is a threat to free speech and, in my opinion, a misuse of the law to silence open debate. What has been interesting is the cultural reaction to the legal challenges. Americans immediately recognize it as a threat to free speech, while Canadians are slower to acknowledge that threat. In the long term I think exposure of these tactics, particularly in the context that they are losing the scientific debate will backfire. It will be seen for what it is a use of the law as a form of ad hominem attacks.

I am also concerned that the credibility of science in general is in jeopardy because too many scientists, including Suzuki, Weaver, Mann and others have been involved directly or indirectly in the process.

JOS: You obtained your doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College way back in 1983 before much of the hype began about global warming. Yet your critics deride you as a “shill for ‘Big Oil”’ paid to ‘attack’ Weaver, Mann and the IPCC. Is that true?

TB: This is absolutely false. Here is the story. Several years ago a group of professional people in Alberta, including engineers, hydrologists, geologists were very angry about the bad science involved in climate research a particularly through the IPCC and the Kyoto Protocol. We met at Calgary Airport and out of that came the group Friends of Science (FOS). Their problem was they were based in Calgary, Alberta, the Canadian centre of the oil industry. Also some of them, because of their expertise had worked in the oil patch. I warned them to focus solely on the science and to make sure all funding was at arms length. They did both, with funding being handled through the University of Calgary. I acted as an adviser and contributed articles as well as spoke a couple of times at their AGMs.

David Anderson, The Minister of Natural resources said that all Canadian climate experts had been consulted on the Kyoto Protocol. Eight of us, all climate experts traveled to Ottawa and held a press conference to say we had not been consulted. The Minister counteracted us by announcing that he would release the governments Kyoto policy in the house at the same time as the press conference. This was amazing since no previous mention was made despite questions by the media. His move had the effect of drawing away virtually all media attention.

I received $800 for travel and expenses and incorrectly thought FOS paid it. Subsequently it turned out that it was paid by APCO a PR company. Then it was disclosed that FOS had received a donation of, as I recall $12,000 from an energy company. It was I understand about 7% of their total donations, the rest was from private citizens. Very quickly my belief that I was paid by FOS was converted to the charge that I was therefore in the pay of FOS who were in the pay of the oil companies. The fact that $800 was about 6% of the $12,000 was of no consequence. The issue, as it appears with everything they do is to take something and distort ti or use it out of context knowing that once it is out there is not pulling it back. Hoggan’s skills as PR expert are manifest. It is also why I find it amusing that the very property of the Internet they exploit is being attacked by McConchie in his charges against the National Post on behalf of Weaver and his demand that I contact web sites that have repeated my article. The futility of that exercise was that most were not interested and also some of the sites they listed indicated they had merely Googled keywords and came up with completely inappropriate places like a tennis site apparently because my name is ball.

JOS: If Weaver and Mann have been given a ‘blank check’ to use expensive lawyers against you are you and your attorney confident you can win, and if so why?

TB: I am confident that if it comes down to a science debate I can carry the day. I am encouraged in this because to date all have consistently refused or avoided debate. I base this claim on the almost five year challenge the cross-Canada Roy Green radio show has held out for someone to debate, with no takers. My lawyer’s main concern is whether I can afford the defense. The problem is I have no choice because if I don’t respond or say I was completely at fault they would pursue damages for defamation and all costs.

I am also confident that my lawyer says that all charges of defamation are unfounded and the only error was the incorrect claim that Weaver had resigned from the IPCC. I believe it was an honest mistake because the information was provided in the article with citations. We have acknowledged and pre-emptively apologized for this error.

JOS: Who is paying your legal bills?

TB: I am. I have paid out about $10,000 so far and am rapidly depleting my savings, these are meager because the only research funding I received during my career was from the National Museum of Canada. This occurred primarily because my research of reconstructing past climate records was deemed historical climatology. At that time it did not fit the very definitive line between Arts and Science research. The museum understood the problem.

JOS: I’ve heard you’ve started your new blog and you’ll be selling climate science pamphlets to help raise donations to pay your legal fees. Is this true?

TB: Yes. I had worked through other blogs and web pages to date, but disappointments, including being fired from a magazine that I wrote a column for monthly for 17 years led me to go it alone. The firing was just one of many instances where I know from direct reports that it was due to pressure on management because of my skeptical views. The blog allows me control and the opportunity to point out what is wrong with many of the stories appearing in the media. I am planning a series of booklets of about 80 to 100 page in length that provide explanations of major issues in the debate. The idea is that they are short, will fit in a pocket, and deal with one issue at a time. Since they will appear as a series people will be able to have in hand the answers to major issues in the debate in language that non-scientists can understand. I hope to sell these booklets through the web site and use the money to offset the legal costs. Meanwhile we continue to survive on pensions (wife and mine) and small amounts made from public presentations.

JOS: You have recently been working to expose the vast discrepancies between what the IPCC science reports say and what is in the IPCC Summary for Policymakers. Is this an important area of attack for skeptics?

TB: Yes. The science report itemizes all the problems including limitations of data, lack of understanding of mechanisms compounded in the inadequacies of the computer models. The public perception is that the IPCC science is solid and certain that human CO2 is causing global warming and climate change. The difference between the public perception and what the Science report attest is deliberately achieved by the structure of the IPCC system that has a Summary for Policymakers released before the Science report is available. It is understandable that the Mainstream Media and the public are unaware of the differences but it is not credible that the scientists involved are unaware. Their silence is deafening.

JOS: What else has really struck a chord with you in the Great Global Warming Debate?

TB: People find it hard to believe that the entire world could be so easily misled by so few people. They, particularly Maurice Strong, established control of all government weather agencies by co-opting the World Meteorological Organization. This gave them control of data collection and archives within each nation then its global dissemination. Each national weather agency controlled politicians and funding of research. They directed funding to one side of the science debate thus allowing later the circular arguments that claims that most scientists and most publications prove the science. The national agencies also determined who served on the IPCC thus providing complete control. The group of scientists who controlled the entire process became so small that Professor Wegman was able to name names in his report to the US Congress. As he demonstrated, they controlled the peer-review process thus allowing them to further control the publication process.

JOS: What has been toughest part of your skeptic’s journey so far?

TB: It is very difficult, especially when you have paid such a high price financially, emotionally, and in people’s public and personal views. It is not easy when your children, wife and friends hear a radio person say, “Oh, Tim Ball, he is that nut job paid by the oil companies that doesn’t believe in climate change.” It is not easy when people tell you that you are a fool for not using your knowledge and abilities to go with the flow and make a lot of money. As someone said after Climategate it must be nice to be vindicated. I replied there is no pleasure in I told you so. It is not easy when you are very aware of the sacrifices your family has been subjected to because you are determined to demand proof and the truth. As Voltaire said, It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.

Thank you, Dr. Ball and good luck with the fund raising for both your cases.

Visit Dr. Ball’s site ‘A Different Perspective’ where you can read more of Tim’s expert insight and donate to his legal fund that is being handled independently by the Frontier Centre and Tim’s attorney (‘Donate’ button is in top right corner of Tim’s page).

http://drtimball.com/

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Iggy Slanter
April 8, 2011 1:53 pm

Sent off a couple hundred bucks (Canadian! LOL)

Terry
April 8, 2011 1:58 pm

I’m not rich but I made a donation. May do it next paycheck, and the next and the next…. I urge you all to keep on giving again and again.
The Liberals are still pushing a cap and trade system which could cost us billions in economic activity, jobs and growth.

HankHenry
April 8, 2011 2:02 pm

Never a good idea to imply a guy did something criminal without being prepared to explain yourself. I just think of Mann as a smart guy who let a zealous belief in a moral matter and in the methods of science mislead him in his views.
I really wish someone would write a good piece that would convince me that models are a worthwhile thing. Most of the time I end up feeling that models aren’t really models. Someone looks at the numbers and creates a intricate program that pictures the operation of data through time but without really modeling in a way that allows using it for prediction.

GregO
April 8, 2011 2:08 pm

Donation sent. Dr. Ball: Go-Go-Go!

JDN
April 8, 2011 2:13 pm

What are the immediate needs in dollar terms, the expected total cost, and, can you post a running total of donations and pin this to the top for a while?
Are there any limits for donations, and, are there any issues with Americans donating to a Canadian legal defense fund?

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
April 8, 2011 2:15 pm

From Bebben on April 8, 2011 at 8:03 am:

Maybe Mann should sue his mirror.

Maybe he should, considering what it said when Mann asked “Who is the fairest climatologist of them all?” Yep, the tree slices were bouncing off the walls after that.
BTW, Dr. Ball, be extra cautious of what you eat if you hear Mann is collecting “specimens” from apple trees…

Johann
April 8, 2011 2:51 pm

This is absolutely ridiculous, people suing each other about maybe a 0.2C rise or fall in temps . Who the hell knows, I certainly have not felt any chnage in climate since I was born 58 years ago

April 8, 2011 3:09 pm

Donation on the way. Next will be a letter to my Senator and House Rep:
In balancing the budget eliminate most non profit tax breaks,
If you are not a church, university, or provide aid directly to the needy, forget about getting non-profit status.
And for those that do qualify, do not even think about getting involved in politics.
And all government organizations (especially NOAA and the EPA) should be immediately prohibited from donating any funds to any non profit.

SSam
April 8, 2011 3:15 pm

Well, I had thought that David Suzuki had more integrity than that idiot Michio Kaku. I guess I was wrong.

bubbagyro
April 8, 2011 3:20 pm

Just sent $100 CAN to the good professor.
As an aside, I just took IRS to court. It was settled in tax court in December, and the court awarded me the amount I asked PLUS interest. I mention this, because one does what is right because it is the right thing to do!
It cost me $30K in legal fees, so I lost money in real terms, but it was well worth it!

Alan Clark of Dirty Oil-berta
April 8, 2011 3:25 pm

This isn’t Dr. Ball’s fight. It’s “our” fight. We must not let him be fed to the sharks. We must provide him the means to defend himself just as we would if it were Anthony in Ball’s position. If the Suzuki Gestapo are allowed this victory, absolutely no one will dare speak against them again.
I am delighted at the level of the response I’m witnessing so far and am inspired to increase my support as a result. As you may infer from my moniker, the money I send will have the sweet scent of West Texas Intermediate. Oil money? Damn right! And well spent.

April 8, 2011 3:28 pm

Ball exaggerates and simplifies the issues and so does Mann.
In a battle of extremists, truth is the first victim.

tallbloke
April 8, 2011 3:30 pm

Dr Tim Ball has been having this kind of crap for years:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1545134/Scientists-threatened-for-climate-denial.html
Donation sent.
Time to call the bullies bluff.

diogenes
April 8, 2011 4:01 pm

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100083071/uea-the-sweet-smell-of-napalm-in-the-morning/
UEA were not supported by the UK press complaints commission in a complaint about Delingpole’s remarks about our Phil Jones. I think Mann might suddenly back down now!

Udar
April 8, 2011 4:07 pm

$80 sent. Good luck, Dr. Ball

April 8, 2011 4:08 pm

Double standards here aplenty. This “72 year old pensioner” himself sued numerous parties because Dr Dan Johnson had suggested that he (Ball) was not really a climatologist.
I note that while there are protestations that what Ball said about Mann was not libellous, the post is careful not to repeat it. And is wasn’t just a slip or passing snark. His current website headlines:
“Evidence Points To Mann’s Criminal Misconduct”

noel
April 8, 2011 4:31 pm

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Oh, this is delicious! I liked Barbra Streisand singing, but what I now like far more is the “Barbra Streisand effect”. Actually, after reading about that “effect”, I lost interest in her sound.
Tim Ball is a good guy, a really good guy. He’s one of those rare scientists who hasn’t been corrupted by the mimetic left-leaning ideology that encourages dishonest funding proposals.
It so happens my degree (in a subject somewhat related to climate science) was issued by the same University that employs Andrew Weaver. Rather than remove and rip-up my diploma from our vanity-wall we’ll do something more positive in its memory. Instead of flowers we’ll make a donation to the Tim Ball defence fund.
Some folks offer their two cents worth. We’ll do a little more, and up our two cents worth by 50,000 times.
I know that’s not much compared to David Suzuki’s monthly energy bill, and only the tiniest drop compared to any of his ego-friendly efforts, or those of his fakir fakers.
This generation will not see the end of the “global-warming” pandemic, nor its evolution into “climate-change” or “climate-disruption” or “climate-hiccup” — Not even “kinetic klimate kold-lapse”. But we will help to boost the next generation’s historical humor.
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apachewhoknows
April 8, 2011 4:54 pm

Of some note in my not so humble opinion.
These CO2 carnies from the CO2 midway hustle did lie and committ fraud to get to this moment in time. It is clear they will not cease the lies and fraud now due to a new found moral compass.
Consider these facts and act upon what is known. The guy from not so BEST this Muller of Berkley, consider the source “Berkley”. Now add in the fear factor of loss of funding. These little lost weather stations where the temature record has been being recorded. They know that is the former data base and will be the new data base.
Now ask yourselfs why they would leave the data base along and not adjust it once more to fit the CO2 tax needs. All they have to do now is revisit the scene of the crime and change out the roof, the mecruy in the place, adjust the orientation of the site, and or many other things such.
Your in a knock down drag out low class bar fight. Act like you want to keep your teeth.

apachewhoknows
April 8, 2011 4:55 pm

Well.

R. de Haan
April 8, 2011 5:07 pm

UEA, the sweet smell of napalm in the morning
“I wasn’t going to crow, really I wasn’t. But I’m afraid I can’t resist, especially since it’s my last blog post for a while and this is an event of some significance. I’m talking about the Press Complaints Commission’s ruling on a complaint brought against this blog by our old friends at the University of East Anglia. They lost. We won. (And I do mean we: I’m hugely grateful to my legal advisers, as well as to experts including Steve McIntyre, Andrew Montford, Richard North and Christopher Booker.)”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100083071/uea-the-sweet-smell-of-napalm-in-the-morning/

2harryinwoodstock
April 8, 2011 5:54 pm

Long time reader of this outstanding site but this is my first post.
I wanted to express my support for Dr. Ball. As a fellow Canadian, Dr. Ball’s frank, and often humourous, assesments of the whole AGW/Climate Change fabrication has filled me with pride when ever I have come across them.
On the other hand, Suzuki and his ilk fill me with disgust.
A donation has been made to Dr. Ball… it’s the least I can do.

Udar
April 8, 2011 6:11 pm

Moderators,
I’d like to request to keep this post on top for while.
This case could be THE court case to force full and complete discovery of shenanigans done by AGW alarmists crowds, but only if Dr. Ball has enough money to properly defend it. Keeping this post on top for a few days will help make it happen.

eadler
April 8, 2011 6:13 pm

Tim Ball is no saint. He has written a lot of opinion articles in which he attacked the honesty and integrity of a lot of people. He has been forced to back track a number of times.
Ball has inflated his academic record, was called on it by professor Dan Johnson. After initiating a $250,000 defamation suit against Johnson, Ball withdrew it. Ball has only 4 peer reviewed papers to his credit, none of them in Climate Science, and was actually an undistinguished professor of Geography.
The Canada Free Press was forced to withdraw articles Ball wrote defaming Professor Andrew Weaver, and issue an apology. Weaver is a prominent Canadian Climate Scientist at Victoria University, and expert in Climate Modeling. Ball Charged Weaver with being unqualified to teach and compromised by lavish funding. He is being sued by Weaver.
Ball’s claim that he is not significantly subsidized by big oil rings hollow. A University fo Calgary Audit found that Friends of Science and Professor Cooper conspired to hide the origin of money from big Canadian Oil companies.
Canada is a different kind of nation than the US. They expect more decorum and civilized debate than in the US, where opinion is polarized, and truth is less valued in public discourse. As an American, I can see there is something positive about this kind of culture. Political polarization is tearing this country apart and causing widespread disaffection and suspicion. The quality of the discussion about global warming is an example.

theduke
April 8, 2011 6:59 pm

“The guy should be in the state pen and not Penn State.”
So telling a Rodney Dangerfield-type joke can get you sued in Canada?
Are you kidding? They say Canadians lack a sense of humor, but that’s ridiculous.
I wish Mann would try and sue someone over such a comment in the US. He’d be laughed out of court.

Brian Haskell
April 8, 2011 7:04 pm

I am not a Canadian lawyer, so take this with a grain of salt, but if the plaintiffs have managed to tailor their suit to deny defendant meaningful discovery, in the US, I would immediately file counterclaims (defamation, abuse of process, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence, fraud . . . in the US, it never ends) and get my discovery that way. I cannot believe that a country steeped in the common law would permit a claim for which truth is an absolute defense to go to judgment without discovery as to the truth of the claim. Alas, much in Canada of late seems sad.
As soon as I figure out how to set up a PayPall account, my donation is on its way.

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