Dr. Ball at left, Dr. Mann at right
This is a scheduled auto-post done from my hotel WiFi last night.
This below sent to me by John O. Sullivan on behalf of Dr. Tim Ball. Like with the Sydney rally I posted on earlier, I have no dog in the fight. I’m just passing this on for interested readers with this comment: While the allegedly libelous phrase at issue is not repeated here, I find it amazing and ironic that Dr. Michael Mann is making the effort to sue about it.
Due to the extra attention Dr. Mann has attracted with the lawsuit, the exposure of the phrase is now far and above what it was when originally posted on the Canadian website. I didn’t even know of it until the lawsuit was announced. I’ve had far worse things said about me in this climate debate turned ugly, and the best legal advice I’ve seen given to public figures in the news business is that they generally are not successful when suing for alleged slander/libel, especially for something that is a critical opinion piece with what appears to be a satirical joke line. Criticism and satire in an opinion piece are generally hard to challenge legally in the USA, though it is different in Canada. In Canada, the law is broader. Even so, I don’t think Dr. Mann or his attorney are going to be prepared for the demands of discovery on this one, nor do I think he will prevail in his lawsuit, based on similar failed actions I’ve seen against anchors and reporters in the TV news business when challenged by a public figure. Whether Dr. Mann realizes it or not, he is probably the most well known public figure in climate science next to Al Gore and Dr. James Hansen.
But, buy popcorn, and if so inclined, there’s a link to help out Dr. Ball.
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Top Climate Skeptic Seeks Help in Double-barrel Courtroom Shootout
By John O. Sullivan
Esteemed climate scientist, Tim Ball faces two costly courtroom libel battles. Here he reveals his concerns and appeals for help with his legal fees.
Dr. Tim Ball is widely recognized as one of Canada’s first qualified climate scientists and has long been one of the most prominent skeptics taking a stand on corruption and unethical practices. Two exponents of the global warming scare Ball has targeted, professors Michael Mann and Andrew Weaver, are now suing him for libel.
Many suspect the David Suzuki Foundation is funding Vancouver libel specialist, Roger D. McConchie who is representing both Weaver and Mann against Ball. Suzuki is reported as wanting skeptics like Ball “put in prison.”
Savvy skeptics suspect that Ball, a 72-year-old pensioner, was singled out as a target because he has no big corporate backers and will capitulate under the emotional and financial strain before the case even gets to trial as his legal fees spiral. Such a fate befell Ball in a prior libel suit in 2006.
But buoyed by the public sympathy Ball is now gaining he is confident an appeal for donors will make all the difference. He is adamant that this is the perfect opportunity skeptics have been waiting for to expose climate change fraud in a court of law and he won’t be bounced out of this most crucial contest.
Below Dr. Ball (TB) speaks frankly to John O’Sullivan (JOS).
INTERVIEW
JOS: Now that you’ve been hit with two very expensive libel suits in quick succession rumors are mounting that well-funded environmentalists are now intent on using the law to kill off free speech in the climate debate. Would you agree with this assessment?
TB: I am not aware of specific evidence of such a campaign or the financing. The practice of bringing lawsuits has been going on for some time but it was spasmodic. More recently, that is over the last year or so, it has increased, particularly with the charges by Weaver through McConchie against the National Post. One change was the addition of important people to the Suzuki Board back in 2009, such as John Lefebvre, but also included Westport Innovation CEO Elaine Wong, that brought additional money as Chris Horner pointed out. Another addition to the Board was equally disturbing, not because of the money but because of the compromise of integrity. George Stroumboulopolos is the host of a weekly program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC).
Other increased activities centered on publication of Hoggan and Littlemore’s book Climate Cover Up. This book includes attacks on specific people including me. It makes the usual list of false charges including that I am paid by the oil companies. Then there was Weaver’s book Keeping Our Cool: Canada in a warming World, with a cover note by Suzuki that says, A gripping narrative, this should be the final alarm.
JOS: Desmogblog, funded by the Suzuki Foundation, has been ‘showcasing’ such legal attacks on scientists like you. Do you fear this new trend towards litigation is the inevitable course for the climate debate, and if so do you see any positive outcome for science?
TB: As noted above this is not new litigation but the intensity has increased. As you also know, people like Fred Singer received such threats a few years ago like me. I have mixed feelings about the activities. Personally it is intimidating because of the costs involved if nothing else. Legally it is a threat to free speech and, in my opinion, a misuse of the law to silence open debate. What has been interesting is the cultural reaction to the legal challenges. Americans immediately recognize it as a threat to free speech, while Canadians are slower to acknowledge that threat. In the long term I think exposure of these tactics, particularly in the context that they are losing the scientific debate will backfire. It will be seen for what it is a use of the law as a form of ad hominem attacks.
I am also concerned that the credibility of science in general is in jeopardy because too many scientists, including Suzuki, Weaver, Mann and others have been involved directly or indirectly in the process.
JOS: You obtained your doctorate in climatology from the University of London, Queen Mary College way back in 1983 before much of the hype began about global warming. Yet your critics deride you as a “shill for ‘Big Oil”’ paid to ‘attack’ Weaver, Mann and the IPCC. Is that true?
TB: This is absolutely false. Here is the story. Several years ago a group of professional people in Alberta, including engineers, hydrologists, geologists were very angry about the bad science involved in climate research a particularly through the IPCC and the Kyoto Protocol. We met at Calgary Airport and out of that came the group Friends of Science (FOS). Their problem was they were based in Calgary, Alberta, the Canadian centre of the oil industry. Also some of them, because of their expertise had worked in the oil patch. I warned them to focus solely on the science and to make sure all funding was at arms length. They did both, with funding being handled through the University of Calgary. I acted as an adviser and contributed articles as well as spoke a couple of times at their AGMs.
David Anderson, The Minister of Natural resources said that all Canadian climate experts had been consulted on the Kyoto Protocol. Eight of us, all climate experts traveled to Ottawa and held a press conference to say we had not been consulted. The Minister counteracted us by announcing that he would release the governments Kyoto policy in the house at the same time as the press conference. This was amazing since no previous mention was made despite questions by the media. His move had the effect of drawing away virtually all media attention.
I received $800 for travel and expenses and incorrectly thought FOS paid it. Subsequently it turned out that it was paid by APCO a PR company. Then it was disclosed that FOS had received a donation of, as I recall $12,000 from an energy company. It was I understand about 7% of their total donations, the rest was from private citizens. Very quickly my belief that I was paid by FOS was converted to the charge that I was therefore in the pay of FOS who were in the pay of the oil companies. The fact that $800 was about 6% of the $12,000 was of no consequence. The issue, as it appears with everything they do is to take something and distort ti or use it out of context knowing that once it is out there is not pulling it back. Hoggan’s skills as PR expert are manifest. It is also why I find it amusing that the very property of the Internet they exploit is being attacked by McConchie in his charges against the National Post on behalf of Weaver and his demand that I contact web sites that have repeated my article. The futility of that exercise was that most were not interested and also some of the sites they listed indicated they had merely Googled keywords and came up with completely inappropriate places like a tennis site apparently because my name is ball.
JOS: If Weaver and Mann have been given a ‘blank check’ to use expensive lawyers against you are you and your attorney confident you can win, and if so why?
TB: I am confident that if it comes down to a science debate I can carry the day. I am encouraged in this because to date all have consistently refused or avoided debate. I base this claim on the almost five year challenge the cross-Canada Roy Green radio show has held out for someone to debate, with no takers. My lawyer’s main concern is whether I can afford the defense. The problem is I have no choice because if I don’t respond or say I was completely at fault they would pursue damages for defamation and all costs.
I am also confident that my lawyer says that all charges of defamation are unfounded and the only error was the incorrect claim that Weaver had resigned from the IPCC. I believe it was an honest mistake because the information was provided in the article with citations. We have acknowledged and pre-emptively apologized for this error.
JOS: Who is paying your legal bills?
TB: I am. I have paid out about $10,000 so far and am rapidly depleting my savings, these are meager because the only research funding I received during my career was from the National Museum of Canada. This occurred primarily because my research of reconstructing past climate records was deemed historical climatology. At that time it did not fit the very definitive line between Arts and Science research. The museum understood the problem.
JOS: I’ve heard you’ve started your new blog and you’ll be selling climate science pamphlets to help raise donations to pay your legal fees. Is this true?
TB: Yes. I had worked through other blogs and web pages to date, but disappointments, including being fired from a magazine that I wrote a column for monthly for 17 years led me to go it alone. The firing was just one of many instances where I know from direct reports that it was due to pressure on management because of my skeptical views. The blog allows me control and the opportunity to point out what is wrong with many of the stories appearing in the media. I am planning a series of booklets of about 80 to 100 page in length that provide explanations of major issues in the debate. The idea is that they are short, will fit in a pocket, and deal with one issue at a time. Since they will appear as a series people will be able to have in hand the answers to major issues in the debate in language that non-scientists can understand. I hope to sell these booklets through the web site and use the money to offset the legal costs. Meanwhile we continue to survive on pensions (wife and mine) and small amounts made from public presentations.
JOS: You have recently been working to expose the vast discrepancies between what the IPCC science reports say and what is in the IPCC Summary for Policymakers. Is this an important area of attack for skeptics?
TB: Yes. The science report itemizes all the problems including limitations of data, lack of understanding of mechanisms compounded in the inadequacies of the computer models. The public perception is that the IPCC science is solid and certain that human CO2 is causing global warming and climate change. The difference between the public perception and what the Science report attest is deliberately achieved by the structure of the IPCC system that has a Summary for Policymakers released before the Science report is available. It is understandable that the Mainstream Media and the public are unaware of the differences but it is not credible that the scientists involved are unaware. Their silence is deafening.
JOS: What else has really struck a chord with you in the Great Global Warming Debate?
TB: People find it hard to believe that the entire world could be so easily misled by so few people. They, particularly Maurice Strong, established control of all government weather agencies by co-opting the World Meteorological Organization. This gave them control of data collection and archives within each nation then its global dissemination. Each national weather agency controlled politicians and funding of research. They directed funding to one side of the science debate thus allowing later the circular arguments that claims that most scientists and most publications prove the science. The national agencies also determined who served on the IPCC thus providing complete control. The group of scientists who controlled the entire process became so small that Professor Wegman was able to name names in his report to the US Congress. As he demonstrated, they controlled the peer-review process thus allowing them to further control the publication process.
JOS: What has been toughest part of your skeptic’s journey so far?
TB: It is very difficult, especially when you have paid such a high price financially, emotionally, and in people’s public and personal views. It is not easy when your children, wife and friends hear a radio person say, “Oh, Tim Ball, he is that nut job paid by the oil companies that doesn’t believe in climate change.” It is not easy when people tell you that you are a fool for not using your knowledge and abilities to go with the flow and make a lot of money. As someone said after Climategate it must be nice to be vindicated. I replied there is no pleasure in I told you so. It is not easy when you are very aware of the sacrifices your family has been subjected to because you are determined to demand proof and the truth. As Voltaire said, It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong.
Thank you, Dr. Ball and good luck with the fund raising for both your cases.
Visit Dr. Ball’s site ‘A Different Perspective’ where you can read more of Tim’s expert insight and donate to his legal fund that is being handled independently by the Frontier Centre and Tim’s attorney (‘Donate’ button is in top right corner of Tim’s page).
Note: Donors will be issued with a tax receipt on request.

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My donation was sent first thing this morning. Keep up the fight!
Perhaps Phil. would be kind enough to tell the truth about what happened between Tim Ball and Dan Johnson. Perhaps he would be kind enough to tell us where Dan Johnson teaches and what he teaches. Then maybe he could show us the retraction printed by the Calgary Herald. You should not believe ANYTHING that is written on DesmogBlog, should you Phil. To me it seems that DesmogBlog can dish it out, but they cannot take it. Soon it will be time to established how much damage these people have done to Dr. Ball’s career. That’s gonna leave a mark!!
Is it feasible to countersue Mann and/or Weaver for more than $50,000 and thereby secure the right to discovery of evidence? What can the right to discovery of evidence accomplish under these circumstances?
Another donation is on the way.
HankHenry says:
April 8, 2011 at 2:02 pm
“Never a good idea to imply a guy did something criminal without being prepared to explain yourself. I just think of Mann as a smart guy who let a zealous belief in a moral matter and in the methods of science mislead him in his views.”
You might be right. I for one think Mann’s face says it all. After you see his face you do not need to learn more.
I sent a donation, only $30 Canadian, but if a lot of people do that it does add up. We can’t sit on the sidelines and see Mann and his cohorts sue Dr Ball for saying less than most of us would like to say! I’d say a lot worse about Dr. Mann, having read a number of books on the science and the emails and seen how Dr. Mann operates. He’s a bully, he’s always been a bully (note the underlying fear in some of the emails, about getting him angry…) and he won’t stop until he is ruined.
Keep your spirits up, Dr. Ball… more of us are with you than you could possibly know.
Nick posted this over at
Lucia Shop
I think the problem was due to the links but I want to see if his accusations were true. Should Anthony sue for libel?
Open thread? OK – here goes.
I don’t normally have much trouble with moderation at WUWT or CA, and I appreciate that. However, it seems at WUWT when fund-raising is on, that doesn’t apply. They’re currently rattling the tin for Dr Tim Ball in his defence of Mann’s lawsuit. And it seems nothing negative can appear.
I wrote the following. It’s logged there at 4.08 pm, awaiting moderation. Comments have been appearing, the latest at 7.08pm. But not mine, which said:
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Double standards here aplenty. This “72 year old pensioner” himself sued numerous parties because Dr Dan Johnson had suggested that he (Ball) was not really a climatologist.
I note that while there are protestations that what Ball said about Mann was not libellous, this post is careful not to repeat it. And it wasn’t just a slip or passing snark. His current website headlines:
“Evidence Points To Mann’s Criminal Misconduct” “
As a matter of routine, I hereby confess that I am an old retired bureaucrat in a field only remotely related to climate, with minimal qualifications and only half a mind.
Two thoughts.
Has not a judge somewhere recently commented that the courts should not be asked to adjudicate on scientific matters?
Cannot the cognoscenti that frequent this blog not think of a well-funded organization on the skeptical side of the CAGW argument and discreetly ask it to consider providing Dr Ball with more insurance than is likely to be raised by the laudable donations reported above?
David Suzuki receives funding from petroleum companies.
Alan Clark of Dirty Oil-berta says:
April 8, 2011 at 3:25 pm
As you may infer from my moniker, the money I send will have the sweet scent of West Texas Intermediate. Oil money? Damn right! And well spent.
Will add 100 USD (yeah, it’s dropping like a rock) from my CVX & RDS dividends.
I’ve done my bit,. Remember, as we say in Scotland, “mony a mickle mak’s a muckle…”.
Aren’t there lawyers from CEI, Cato, Heartland, SPPI, etc., that can work pro bono on this? Certainly there is enough legal brain among them to do this.
Since Mann is being investigated now for criminal fraud in VA, I hope Cuccinelli takes note of this action.
I don’t know if anyone knows the RICO federal statute. What it defines as racketeering includes extortion by any means pursuant to criminal enterprise. Filing a nuisance lawsuit in the context of engaging in activities to coerce or strong-arm people into silence and submission, while engaging in such activities that deprive others of the fruits of their livelihood, seems to me to be motivation by the Feds to proceed with a RICO investigation.
The extortion, then, goes beyond the speech issue, and may be an actionable offense.
Donation sent this AM. Will repeat as available. Money well spent to support an honourable man against an egotistical vengeful person. I would be concerned if this case is heard in BC. Our former premier has been trying to outdo California in enacting idiotic “green” laws. Not sure to what extent he contaminated the provincial courts. Mann should not feel too comfortable with the backing he’s getting in Canada. That ancient old hippy Suzuki has totally lost it and Stroumboulopolos has his own problems.
Should I call the people I know at Koch? Soros sock puppets claim Koch has bought the planet.
Mann is going to hurt himself. It is incredibly far fetched for Mann to show damages.
Before you rush to donate your hard-earned money, you might want to check up on the comments by Phil. and Nick Stokes, and ask Dr. Ball some important questions. This article and “interview” make no mention of Tim Ball’s previous failed lawsuit brought against Dan Johnson and the Calgary Herald (!) for libel.
Donation sent presently.
Donation sent.
Someone needs to make a stand and we should be prepared to stand behind him.
Donation sent last night via PayPal – Good luck Dr Tim
Donation on the way.
I’ve just contributed $100 Canadian to Tim Ball’s defense fund, and encourage everyone to do the same. Truth will be an absolute defense here, I believe. Besides, the statement in question (and I admit I’m not a practitioner in Canadian law, only Texas law) is not and does not appear in itself to be defamatory; it is also the expression of an opinion in regards to a public figure in a matter of public concern. But Canadian law doesn’t ever seem to respect free speech these days.
Please keep us informed on how Dr Ball’s doing money wise. These things can go on and on. If we need to hit the button again later….
Like so many, we owe him (and you) a lot.
Thanks for posting this.
It is heartening to see so many others also donating to help with Dr. Ball’s defense. Denying someone their right to free speech is absolutely deplorable. Trying to shut them up because you disagree with what they are saying is un-democratic.
I sent $100 Canadian a few minutes ago. Paypal told me thats about $107 USD.
I’ve bookmarked his site and will make additional donations if needed and as the case progresses.
Lets all hope that where Cuccinelli has yet to succeed, that Dr. Ball will. We may yet finally see what is in those emails and other records!
Donation sent – can’t wait to see the smug grin wiped off Mann’s face..
There is light and hope for sceptics. Over in England, the University of East Anglia has just attacked James Delingpole through the British Press Complaints Commission, and lost the case. The PCC found in favour of Delingpole:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100083071/uea-the-sweet-smell-of-napalm-in-the-morning/#dsq-content
Don’t give up, Tim!