Guest post by Ira Glickstein PhD.
We had joy, we had fun, we had Seasons of the Sun.
But the mountains we climbed were but whimsies of our minds.
That song (apologies to Terry Jacks) could well be the theme for the official climate Team as they hike to the airy peak of Mt. Hansen on the supposed 0.8ºC warming since 1880, only to look out at the bleak prospect, for them, of level ground, and the possibility of some cooling over the coming decades.
This is the third of my Tale of the Global Warming Tiger series where I allocate the supposed 0.8ºC warming since 1880 to: (1) Data Bias, (2) Natural Cycles, the subject of this posting, and (3) AGW, which will be the subject of a subsequent posting. Click Tiger’s Tale and Tail :^) to see my allocation and read the original story.
NATURAL PROCESSES AND CYCLES
This posting is about how natural processes and cycles have dominated the global warming experienced since 1880. The base chart for the above graphic is the NASA GISS Global Land-Ocean Temperature Index that indicates the official climate Team estimate of about 0.8ºC net warming, the majority of which they allocate to human activities. In contrast, according to my annotations, the actual net warming is closer to 0.5ºC (0.8ºC – 0.3ºC Data Bias), and most of that, 0.4ºC, is due to natural cycles and processes over which humans have no control or effect.
The violet curve in the graphic is my estimate of the effect of natural cycles from 1880 to the present. There are many natural processes that affect the surface temperature of the Earth, but nearly all of them gain their energy from the Sun which is why I call them Normal Seasons of the Sun. In the following three sections, they are divided into three groups, according to their time scales and effects.
GRADUAL PROCESSES AND CYCLES LESS IMPORTANT ON HUMAN TIME SCALES
Biological life is thought to have existed on Earth for about 3.5 billion years. Over that enormous time period, natural processes and cycles have affected the evolution of life. Absent those processes, we would not be here, or at least not in our current condition. However, some of these processes and cycles operate ponderously slowly, to the point they are barely noticed on the time scale of an individual human life or even on the time scale of ten lives. Therefore, they are of virtually no concern:
(a) Brightening Sun The Sun is about 4.5 billion years old, and about halfway through what is called the main sequence evolution for a star of its type. It has been getting brighter, but very slowly and nearly imperceptibly. In about 5 billion years, the Sun will become a Red Giant, and life as we know it on Earth will no longer be possible. However, the rate of brightening is so small that we may ignore it.
(b) Milankovitch Cycles. The Earth’s orbit around the Sun is affected by slow, cyclic variations in eccentricity (100,000 years), axial tilt (41,000 years), and precesssion (21,000 years). Changes in the Earth’s orbit do not affect the quantity of average yearly solar radiation, but the distribution between equatorial regions and polar regions is affected. This may be the cause of the approximately 100,000 year cycle of ice age glaciations. However, the contribution of these effects over a period as short as that from 1880 to the present is so small we may ignore it.
(c) Heat from Earth’s Core. About 0.01% of the energy responsible for heating the surface of the Earth is due to energy from the decay of radioactive materials in the Earth’s core. This source has a half life measured in billions of years. This is such a tiny fraction of the Earth’s heat budget that we may ignore it.
PROCESSES AND CYCLES OF IMPORTANCE ON HUMAN TIME SCALES
(d) Normal Seasons of the Sun. The nominal 11-year Solar Cycles, during which Sunspot counts vary from low numbers to a peak and then down again, may be as short as 9 years or as long as 14. Magnetic polarity changes for every pair of cycles, so there is an 18 to 28 year magnetic cycle. Often there are series of three or more cycles, spanning periods of 30 to 150 or more years where solar activity may be very low (below 50 spots per month) and series of similar lengths where activity may be very high (above 100 spots per month).
Low Sunspot series are historically associated with decades of unusually cold climate and vice-versa for high Sunspot series. Total Solar Irradiation (TSI) does not change much during a single Sunspot cycle, but, over a series of high (or low) cycles, it may change enough to result in an increase (or decrease) of 0.1ºC. This TSI effect of Solar Cycles accounts for about a quarter of the of 0.4ºC I have allocated for natural cycles.
(e) Henrick Svensmark’s Global Cosmic Ray (GCR) Theory. GCRs have a positive role in the formation of clouds. Low-lying daytime clouds tend to cool the surface of the Earth. Therefore, all else being equal, the more GCRs, the more clouds, and the cooler the surface of the Earth. Increased solar magnetic activity, which coincides with higher Sunspot numbers, may divert some portion of GCRs from reaching the Earth, thereby reducing cloud formation and thus lessening their cooling effects.
Via this mechanism, a series of high Sunspot cycles may indirectly cause surface temperatures to rise, and a series of low cycles may cause them to fall, which is consistent with the historical record. Svensmark’s theory, if correct, could account for some of the 0.4ºC I have allocated to natural cycles and processes.
(f) Multi-Decadal Ocean Oscillations. There are a number of ocean oscillations, with periods of from less than a decade to multiple decades, that affect sea surface temperatures and therefore have climate impacts worldwide. These include the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO), North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), and others. The ENSO, for example, has a warm phase, called El Niño, Spanish for “the boy”, and a cool phase, called La Niña, “the girl”. The El Niño that started in 1998 caused global warming of 0.1ºC to 0.4ºC for a couple years.
While the net effect of any cycle on temperature anomalies is zero, they have significant effects during their high and low durations. Given the existence of several, somewhat independent ocean oscillations, their high and low times may tend to reinforce or cancel each other out, and that may explain multi-decadal episodes of positive and negative anomalies. There may be some correlation of these cycles with solar activity, which is, of course, the main source of their energy. Thus, ocean cycles could account for some of the 0.4ºC I have allocated to natural cycles and processes.
POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS OF IMPORTANCE ON HUMAN TIME SCALES
(g) ATMOSPHERIC GASES (net positive feedback). Long-wave radiation from the Earth extends from about 4 to 25 microns, with maximum energy around 10 microns. See the absorption spectrum for “greenhouse” gases. Note that the absorption spectra for water vapor (H2O) in the range of interest extends from about 5 to 8 microns and from around 12 to 25 microns. Note also that the absorption spectra for other atmospheric gases, such as methane (CH4), carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrous oxide (NO2), and oxygen/ozone (O2/O3), partially overlap H2O such that the atmosphere absorbs (and re-emits) nearly 100% of 4 to 25 micron radiation, except for two nearly transparent windows in the 8 to 9 and 10 to 12 micron regions.
Nearly all the carbon gases in the atmosphere are from natural sources, mostly respiration and digestive gasses of living animals and the decay of dead plants and animals. (The small proportion of carbon gases due to human activity, mainly burning of previously sequestered coal, oil, and natural gas, will be discussed in a future topic here on WUWT. For the purposes of this posting, only natural carbon gases are considered.)
When an atmospheric gas absorbs longwave radiation in its spectrum, that radiative energy is re-emitted in a broader spectrum and in all directions, about half towards the Earth and the other half out towards space.
When atmospheric CO2 absorbs 4 to 5 micron radiation from the Earth, or CH4 absorbs 7 to 8 micron radiation, and that energy is re-emitted, some will fall into the nearly transparent windows and head out to space nearly unimpeded. About half of the remaining energy will be re-emitted back towards the Earth’s surface and will add to warming.
The same is true for H2O, NO2, O2, and O3. Thus, increases in any of these gases will tend to increase warming of the Earth, all else being equal. That means, should the surface of the Earth experience a temperature increase, due to natural solar effects or any other cause, and if that increases emission of carbon gases from equatorial and summer temperate oceans, and reduces absorption of carbon gases by the polar and the winter temperate oceans, that will consititute a positive feedback. The inverse is also true. Should surface temperatures decrease, and if this reduces the amount of CO2, CH4, or H2O gases in the atmosphere, that will reduce the “greenhouse” effect, and tend to further cool the surface. Thus carbon gases and water vapor represent a positive feedback to surface warming.
(h) CLOUDS (net negative feedback). Short-wave radiation from the Sun extends from about 0.2 microns (ultraviolet light) to 2 microns (near infrared light), with maximum energy around 0.5 microns (green light in the visible spectrum). Moderate warming of the surface has a net effect of increasing the extent of cloud cover. Daytime clouds reflect much of the short-wave radiation back out to space, which is a powerful negative feedback. However, both day- and nightime clouds also absorb long-wave radiation from the Earth and re-emit about half of it back down, further warming the surface, a positive feedback. There is disagreement over whether the net effect of clouds is warming or cooling. Most of the official climate Team models assume the net effect is positive, others, including me, assume it nets out as negative.
(i) SURFACE ICE (net positive feedback). Ice, having a high albedo (reflective quality of white or light-colored surfaces), reflects much of the short-wave radiation from the Sun back out to space, which has a cooling effect. Warming of the Earth’s surface may thin and ultimately melt the ice and expose the underlying sea water or land. Water and land are less reflective. Thus, warming that causes melting has a net positive feedback.
(j) THUNDERSTORMS, HURRICANES, ETC. (net negative feedback). These tend to mix the atmosphere and, since the surface is generally warmer than the lower air masses, storms and other disturbances of the atmosphere tend to be a cooling influence. Thunderstorms, in particular, tend to lift warmer air from the surface to higher elevations where the heat energy may more readily radiate out to space.
Thus, if warming of the surface causes more water vapor in the atmosphere, and if this causes more thunderstorms and hurricanes, or makes them more intense, they have a negative feedback effect.
(k) PRECIPITATION (net negative feedback). Water vapor in the atmosphere cools by radiation of its heat energy in all directions, including out to space. The vapor condenses, forming liquid (rain) and solid (snow) water precipitates. Since the radiating tends to take place high in the atmosphere, where the heat energy may more readily radiate out to space, this precipitation constitutes a net cooling effect. Rain and snow tend to be cooler than the surface, and that is also a net cooling effect. Thus, if warming of the surface causes more water vapor in the atmosphere, and if this causes more precipitation, that is a negative feedback effect.
(l) VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS. These spew hot gases, liquids, and solids from the bowels of the Earth onto the surface and into the atmosphere. In the short-term, this tends to heat the surface. However, the aerosols from the volcano, basically sulphur and other mineral compounds, are driven high into the air and tend to remain for years, which tends to reflect Sunlight back into space, which, in the longer-term, tends to cool the surface. The net effect is cooling. For example, the eruption at Mt. Pinatubo in 1991 cooled global temperatures 0.1ºC to 0.3ºC for a few years thereafter.
CONCLUSIONS AND REQUESTS
I believe I have hit on and briefly described all the major natural processes and cycles that affect average global temperatures. However, if readers have additional information or corrections to what I said about any of them, or if there are some I missed, I would appreciate detailed comments to improve my summary.
It seems to me that my estimate of 0.4ºC for Normal Seasons of the Sun is fully justified, but I am open to hearing the opinions of WUWT readers who may think I have over- (or under-) estimated this component of the supposed 0.8ºC rise in global temperatures since 1880.
In my first and second postings in this Tale of the Global Warming Tiger series, I asked for comments on my allocations: to: (1) Data Bias 0.3ºC, (2) Natural Cycles 0.4ºC, and (3) AGW 0.1ºC.
Quite a few readers were kind enough to comment, either expressing general agreement or offering their own estimates.
Some commenters claim that the actual Data Bias is larger than my estimate of 0.3ºC. Some think Data Bias may be responsible for the entire amount of the supposed 0.8ºC rise in global temperatures since 1880, meaning that net warming over that period is ZERO. I accept that Data Bias may be 50% more (or less) than my estimate, which would put it between 0.15ºC and 0.45ºC, but I doubt it could be as large as 0.8ºC.
Others commenters claim that AGW is ZERO. In other words, they believe that rising CO2 and land use changes due to human activities have no effect on temperatures or climate. They believe the lack of effect is due to the negative feedback from cloud albedo and other natural negative feedback processes. I agree clouds have a net negative feedback (most official models assume a net positive feedback) but I do not believe this cancels out all the effects of CO2 on the Earth’s surface absorption of Solar radiation nor of albedo changes due to land use. I accept that AGW may be 50% less (or more) than my estimate, which would put it between 0.05ºC and 0.2ºC, but I doubt it could be as large as 0.8ºC.
What do you think? I have been keeping a spreadsheet record of WUWT reader’s opinions, which I appreciate and value greatly, along with their screen names, and I plan to report the results later in this series.
This is what you may look forward to:
Some People Claim There’s a Human to Blame – Yes, human actions, mainly burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use, are responsible for some small amount of Global Warming.
Is the Global Warming Tiger a Pussy Cat? – If, as many of us expect, natural processes lead to stabilization of global temperatures over the coming decades, and perhaps a bit of cooling, we will realize the whole Global Warming uproar was like the boy who saw a pussy cat and cried tiger.

Yes and no.
The “raw” data, by which I assume you mean the actual data sheets where observers used to read thermometers and write the readings down are, of course subject to error. The thermometers were not that accurate, the enclosures may have added to warming when they were re-painted with latex unstead of whitewash, there may have been transcription errors, and some lazy observers may have done the readings at times different from those recorded or even skipped a hike out in the snow and ice and just made up the data. To that we may add encroachment by development and relocation of the thermometers from the local newspaper office to the radio station to the airport, etc.
The errors that are more or less “random” (transcription, calibration of the thermometers, etc.) may result in records that are either higher or lower than actual, but these will tend to cancel out over the very long run. The errors that are systematic (system-wide changes in brand of thermometer, painting of enclosures, encroachment from development, change in time of reading if those changes are to a later time in morning, change of location, etc.) are more problematic.
The most problematic is when those “raw” data are “adjusted” and re-“adjusted” by people who appear, to me, to have an agenda of demonstrating CAGW.
So, in general, I would trust the “raw” data more than the “adjusted” data, unless *I* got to do the adjusting :^)
If I understand you correctly, it appears around 60% of the total variance may be due to Earth’s Oceanic and Atmospheric Oscillations, which would be about 0.24C of my 0.4C allocation to natural cycles. Another 0.1C is accounted for by TSI variations over several high-count Solar Cycles, so we can leave about 0.06C to other natural processes, or an error in my estimates. I’ll buy that!
R. Gates says:
“Your underlying assumption then, is that the 40% increase in CO2 is not affecting these other natural cycles.”
No. Your assumption is that CO2 is affecting natural cycles. It is not.
As the null hypothesis has repeatedly shown, there is no measurable global climate or temperature difference between pre- and post-industrial CO2 levels. Current metrics [temperatures, trends, etc.] are well within past parameters. So necessarily, the alternate hypothesis [CO2=CAGW] is falsified.
Sorry, Gates, but the real world does not agree with your assumptions.
Smokey says:
January 23, 2011 at 11:28 am
R. Gates says:
“Your underlying assumption then, is that the 40% increase in CO2 is not affecting these other natural cycles.”
No. Your assumption is that CO2 is affecting natural cycles. It is not.
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Hmmm. Didn’t realize you had done extensive study on this Smokey. Please site the peer-reviewed research papers that show that the 40% increase in CO2 since the 1700’s has not affected the natural ocean cycles (i.e. the PDO, AMO, ENSO, etc.) in any way. Since this is an area of intense interest and study by many scientists worldwide, they apparently aren’t aware of these studies that you are privy to, and they can then move on to other things and not waste their time.
Ira Glickstein, PhD
For example Smokey, tell these guys to stop studying the changes they have found in the Labrador current, unique in the past 2000 years, and may be related to AGW:
http://www.eawag.ch/medien/bulletin/20110104/index_EN
Why are they wasting their time? They should just listen to what Smokey knows for certain…
Smokey
Ira Glickstein puts the temperature difference between 1880 and now at 0.8C. You think he’s wrong?
Thanks Mike for your comment, and I generally agree that we should respect the established experts in any given field and accord their scientific statements more validity than those of amateurs.
But, who are the experts in the field of Global Warming? The folks at the Climategate Research Unit (CRU) in the UK? Our NASA GISS? Their credentials and official positions entitle them to the benefit of the doubt, but their actions have gone well beyond any doubt (IMHO :^)
I read all the Climategate emails as well as the NASA GISS FOIA emails and it is clear to me the official climate Team:
(1) Really believed their theory of Catastrophic human-caused Global Warming, at least when they first thought it up a couple devades ago, and they really believed they were saving the world (more like Chicken Little, who was really deceived than the Boy Who Cried Wolf, who knew, the first 75 times he was exaggerating, and, only at the 76th time, when there really was a wolf was he telling the truth)
(2) Despite all evidence to the contrary, many of them still believe it and even wish, in CRU-head Phil Jones words, “If anything, I would like to see the climate change happen so the science could be proved right, regardless of the consequences.” (Old theories never die in the minds of their creators, we have to wait for the old professors to die off and then the new ones correct their errors)
(3) Some of them, I believe (though I have only circumstantial evidence), realize the jig is up but they have good-paying careers and families to support, so they slant their science in a direction that bends but does not break the facts, and they (mis)use their credentials and positions to prevent or at least delay the publication of conflicting views, etc.
(4) Others have agendas that are more political than scientific, and knowlingly misuse their science to push political views that they genuinely think will benefit mankind.
Thanks R. Gates, for your comment, and I agree my posting is a relatively “simple overview” that lacks depth in several areas. I was attempting to answer: What time is it? rather than explain How to build a clock. At that level of explanation I do not believe that any particular ocean oscillation deserves more particular mention than when I said, after mentioning three by name, “and others”.
I will attempt to cover “…positive feedbacks between anthropogenic GH gases and other natural cycles” in my next posting in this series.
As holder of a PhD in System Science I am well aware of Chaos Theory and the possibility a small change in initial conditions in a dynamical chaotic system can drastically change the later conditions. I know climate is not a linear system, and that, as I noted in my main Topic, the relatively minor and slowly developing Milankovitch cycles may be the cause of the approximately 100,000 year cycle of ice ages. But, the fact that a butterfly flap in Africa may cause a hurricane to veer over Florida months later does not mean we should wreck our economy over every butterfly in Africa or try to modify their behaviors!
OOPS, there goes the tipping point! LOOK OUT BELOW !!!
As a matter of fact, as a conservative and a system engineer, I am concerned about the rapid increase in CO2, part of which is due to human activities, because it is unprecedented (in human times – CO2 was way higher during the period when plant life evolved and adapted, see my CO2 is Plant Food (Clean Coal Say WATT?)).
I, along with James Hansen (pardon the expression) happen to be in favor of a carbon tax and I even said so here at WUWT and am still a Guest Contributor. I drive a Prius and bicycle 40-50 miles a week and recycle and moderate my use of A/C and heating and so on.
However, I see absolutely no firm or even middling al dente evidence that CO2 rise will be harmful to human life up to levels of 1000 ppmv, or that temperature increases of even a few degrees will make life worse. I moved from New York to Florida and I survived nicely despite a rise of a heck of a lot more degrees. Therefore, while I continue to pay attention to it, I see absolutely no evidence that would lead me to support economy wrecking public policy changes.
On the other hand, I am not a professional climatologist whose job depends upon a climate crisis.
Sorry Roger, you mis-stated my estimates. I put the temperature difference between 1880 and now at 0.5C (not 0.8C). My estimate of 0.5C is that about 0.4C is due to natural cycles and the remaining 0.1C is due to human activities. The difference between the supposed rise of 0.8C and my 0.5C estimate is Data Bias, see The PAST is Not What It Used to Be (GW Tiger).
(b) Milankovitch Cycles. The Earth’s orbit around the Sun is affected by slow, cyclic variations in eccentricity (100,000 years), axial tilt (41,000 years), and precesssion (21,000 years). Changes in the Earth’s orbit do not affect the quantity of average yearly solar radiation, but the distribution between equatorial regions and polar regions is affected.
It also has impact on the DIFFERENCE between the two poles. During an interglacial, we have the North Pole closest to the sun in June (both precession and orbital eccentricity putting the north pole toward the sun at closest orbital approach when summer tilt is toward the sun) and when the “tilt” is at a maximum for the most heating. Only then does the north pole melt and we get an interglacial.
The flip side of this is that the South Pole is having it’s coldest summers then (and warmest winters). But the south pole is always frozen, so the impact is mostly on winter sea ice.
So two of the “major O.M.G.” worries of the AGW folks (melting arctic, loss of sea ice) are THE two things most important to have in order to keep our interglacial. As soon as the sea ice does not shrink in the Antarctic and the north pole keeps it’s “multiyear” ice for one too many years, we’re headed into the next Ice Age Glacial.
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/01/06/arctic-melting-is-good/
And where are our historical thermometers? Substantially in the Northern Hemisphere. Over time, we’ve added thermometers in the Southern Hemisphere.
Starting about 6000 years ago, all the ‘cycles’ were passing their peak of perfect alignment (for us to have our maximum warmth) and we’ve been cooling off ever since. (Sea level was higher then too)
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/ostia-antica-and-sea-level/
So what happens in that “cooling off”? The North Pole will get cooler summers but warmer winters and the south pole will get cooler winters but warmer summers .
And what are the Warmers all hot and bothered about? Warmer winters in the Arctic and more summer ice loss in Antarctica. A 21,000 year cycle has a 10,500 year half cycle. That makes us about 6,000/10,000 or 60% of the way away from the ideal conditions. The only reason we are not presently in a Glacial is that it takes time for the ice to form and stay at the North Pole and the albedo feedbacks to get a hold. But, until that day, we still get changed distribution of cold between the two poles.
Where did all that sea level drop go, if not into the North Pole? Look south. Even now the South Pole is known to be gaining ice. The process is already begun. We’re just waiting for that one moment when “multiyear” Arctic ice turns into “multidecade”…
So the thermometer period is about 200 years, give or take. We hit peak temperatures about 6000 years ago. that’s a 2/60 or 1/30 ratio. About 3.3% of the time period of orbital change toward cooling. That ought to be enough time to see some single digit percentage changes in things like “northern winter warmth”. But our Antarctic record is much shorter and more sparse. Much of that was measured in the summer when ships could approach the land. Only recently have we had full time south pole stations. So we’ve got a sampling bias toward measuring the part of the year when the South Pole ought to be warming.
IMHO, the net result of this is excessive panic over “warmer winters” in the north and a more generalized assertion of ‘warmer’ in the south, but based on a sample that can not adequately tell you what has happened in the winters for 200 years. While all the time the ice is bulding up down there.
So I would not be quite so quick to dismiss the precession cycle as having a role to play in our temperature record.
Also, on the sun, it’s not the TSI that matters, IMHO, it’s the crash of UV and that this has let the atmosphere decrease in height. The virtical mixing component is changed and we’ve suddenly got the Rosby wave “loopy jet stream” back with an AO / AMO that’s freezing Europe. So putting a spotlight on TSI is the wrong place to look (at least, an exclusive spot light) and we ought to at least have a ‘follow spot’ on the UV ratio…
Per CO2 impact: We could aways run an experiment where we hold the air still, remove water vapor from the air, and see if IR blocking from CO2 can hold the heat in. Oh, wait, nature did that for us:
http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/01/22/frostbite-falls/
R Gates
“for the real-world nonlinear, dynamical, and edge-of-chaos nature of the earth’s climate, where small nudges in one area can have repercussions that are deterministic but quite unpredictable throughout the whole system.”
For a minute there I thought you were describing the problems with GCMs 🙂
A natural cycle that is known to have occurred within the Little Ice Age is responsible for the Wolf, Maunder and Sporer Minimums. Because the present lull in solar activity has not been equaled since about a hundred years ago, and because these minimums were roughly one hundred years apart, it looks as though the same cycle is in operation during an underlying warming trend now. The Dansgaard-Oescher cycles are the ones responsible for the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age and provide this underlying trend. For professional info, please see: Weather Cycles: Real or Imaginary Second Edition by William Burroughs Cambridge University Press c2003.
Dr. Glickstein, Michael,
Something’s kept bugging me on first Michaels strong response and later yours, twice. This morning I was reading your great article, going section by section, nodding my head in agreement thinking what a great article, but, after getting interrupted twice in the middle I totally misread you, no doubt about it, can’t understand how I so missed what you were saying right there in that section. I thought you were speaking of ground based radiation emitted to the atmosphere (right there, no cooling) and as you normally read being so often backwards re-radiated back to the ground therefore adding even more heating the ground.
That’s clearly not what you were saying there, at all, you were speaking of incoming, man, how did I do that?
Sorry to both you and Michael for that slip.
Only in that isolated light would I stand by everything I said.
It was a very good post, thanks for it again.
I am broadly in agreement with the theme of the post but I have problems with….
“When atmospheric CO2 absorbs 4 to 5 micron radiation from the Earth, or CH4 absorbs 7 to 8 micron radiation, and that energy is re-emitted, some will fall into the nearly transparent windows and head out to space nearly unimpeded. About half of the remaining energy will be re-emitted back towards the Earth’s surface and will add to warming”.
I think this is wrong in detail and also misleading in terms of process.
The 4-5 micron band of CO2 is not really important since the energy radiated by the earth at these wavelengths is small. The major impact of CO2 is in the 14-18 micron band which is well away from the atmospheric window. Radiation in this band is absorbed within a few hundred feet of the earths surface. Half of this is radiated back down to earth and half is radiated upwards. The upward radiation is then reabsorbed by CO2 which again radiates up and down. This multiple absorption and re-radiation occurs until a height is reached where the density of CO2 is so low that any upward radiation is lost to space. This height is around 16km according to the satellite pictures that I have seen although the met office suggests it is lower. Because the temperature is only about 210K at this altitude the energy lost to space in this energy band is only about 40% of what it would have been if the energy had been radiated directly from the earth at 290K (proportional to the fourth power of absolute temperature). Since the energy absorbed by the sun has to be balanced by the energy lost to space this reduction in energy in this band has to be balanced by an increase in energy radiated at all other wavelengths. To achieve this the earth’s surface has to increase to a higher temperature than it would if it need to be if there were no CO2. It is equally valid to talk about the downwhelling radiation from the CO2 heating the earth but I find the energy balance argument easier to validate and quantify.
Regarding the Milankovitch cycles: I believe the 100K cycle is a periodic cooling that has been observed in the last million years. Whilst the 21K and 41K have foundation in measureable variations in the earths orbit and tilt the 100K period is not so easily explained. I do not personally think this is a big issue since the 100K cycle is clearly real. It is just that we do not understand the mechanism yet. Incidentally the first signs of the 100K cycle becoming dominant emerged when the North and South Americas joined and transformed the ocean currents and dramatically influenced the polar ice caps. This might be a clue.
Roger Otip,
I am not quite in agreement with IPCC. They claim most of the claimed 0.8C is due to human activity. I claim 0.3 C of which only 0.2 C is due to CO2 and Methane. This includes the entire period from 1880, and includes all causes. If you look at 1970 to 2000, the IPCC claim is about 0.5 C increase. I would guess less than 0.15 C in that period due to CO2 and Methane, which is only 30% of the increase, and would result in only about an additional 0.25 C by 2100 (a bit below IPCC claims).
Ireland Government Crumbles As Green Party Pulls Out Of Ruling Coalition
“It has been a while since we had one of those “before Asia opens” kind of Sundays. Today just may be one. BBC has just reported that the Irish Green party has pulled out of the ruling coalition with Fianna Fail which is “expected to bring forward the general election from 11 March.” In other words suddenly the entire Irish “rescue”, taken for granted for over a month, will have to be reexamined, once the new ruling party, which will certainly be from the current opposition reevaluates the terms. Elections are now expected to come some time in mid-February. Look for peripheral bond spreads to go whooosh tomorrow.”
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ireland-government-crumbles-green-party-pulls-out-ruling-coalition
Ira Glickstein, PhD
The experts are the world’s climate scientists, not just those of NASA or CRU, who publish their work in peer-reviewed scientific journals. This work has been summarized in several IPCC reports, the latest of which concluded that most of the warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activity. Given that, you would presumably agree that we ought to be making major efforts to bring the rise in global emissions to a halt and to then begin reducing those emissions.
Roger Otip says:
January 23, 2011 at 11:56 am
Smokey
there is no measurable global climate or temperature difference between pre- and post-industrial CO2 levels.
(R. Otip says): “”Ira Glickstein puts the temperature difference between 1880 and now at 0.8C. You think he’s wrong?””
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It’s obvious that Roger Otip has no understanding of the null hypothesis.
Leonard Weinstein
But some of that 0.8C is from early 20th century warming, isn’t it? The IPCC claim is that most of the warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activity (which would include methane emissions from agriculture and landfill, deforestation etc.).
What forcings do you think are responsible for the remainder of the observed warming.
Ira Glickstein, PhD
Ah yes, I forgot about your data bias idea. Sorry. Can’t say I’m at all convinced by it. It seems more likely that you’re mistaken. Look at the global temperature records, not just those of NASA GISS, but also the NOAA and HadCRUT along with the satellite records and you’ll see a pretty consistent warming trend and a pretty consistent degree of warming. To claim all of these are out by as much as 40% you need to show some extremely solid and compelling evidence and you haven’t done anything like that.
Roger Otip says:
January 23, 2011 at 2:03 pm
“The experts are the world’s climate scientists, not just those of NASA or CRU, who publish their work in peer-reviewed scientific journals. This work has been summarized in several IPCC reports, the latest of which concluded that most of the warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human activity.”
Oh please Roger, the IPCC is done by volunteers, and the same people in the Climategate emails have heavily volunteered and used their positions to promote their own work while keeping out work which contradicts their own “even if we have to redefine what peer review is.” The critical reviewers in the IPCC are ignored in favor of producing more alarmist reports, which is entirely natural since the IPCC would not exist without a climate threat.
Honestly, are you just intentionally ignorant of what these people have done and said? Do you not realize how small, determined and insular these fanatics are?
I’m not sure why I bother since I can’t believe you aren’t aware of some of this stuff – you must intentionally be keeping the blinders on.
You asked for comments on allocations to (my guesses):
(1) Data Bias 0.15+-0.1ºC,
(2) Natural Cycles 0.25+-0.2ºC, and
(3) AGW 0.4+-0.3ºC.
Why bother with NASA or NOAA temperature charts? They are all cooked starting from the late seventies as I have shown. Simply use satellite temperatures that are easily available for the last 31 years. A superposition of UAH and RSS temperatures is just about the best base for that and when you get hold of others on the same scale you can see how the cheating is done. Check out my “What Warming?” for that. A new edition of it should be out by the end of the month and it will give you the details need. And one more thing: don’t do any averaging, use the magic marker when working on temperature curves.
As I, Ian W, E.M.Smith and others have said before. This is the wrong metric anyway!
Let’s take an example. End of Feb. 1983 We were flying back to the UK from Nevada. We had a birdstrike on the C130 which meant an over-night stop at Gander, Newfoundland. I’m pretty sure the temps were sub-zero C if not F. All my warm clothes were on the kite so I was walking around at 22:00 in shirtsleeves! It was cold but not uncomfortably so! Little or no moisture meant the air couldn’t remove much energy from my body. Even an increase of 5°C wouldn’t have made a big change to the energy content of the air!
Where I live now, 10°C is uncomfortably cold!
DaveE.