Normal Seasons of the Sun (GW Tiger)

Guest post by Ira Glickstein PhD.

We had joy, we had fun, we had Seasons of the Sun.

But the mountains we climbed were but whimsies of our minds.

That song (apologies to Terry Jacks) could well be the theme for the official climate Team as they hike to the airy peak of Mt. Hansen on the supposed 0.8ºC warming since 1880, only to look out at the bleak prospect, for them, of level ground, and the possibility of some cooling over the coming decades.

This is the third of my Tale of the Global Warming Tiger series where I allocate the supposed 0.8ºC warming since 1880 to: (1) Data Bias, (2) Natural Cycles, the subject of this posting, and (3) AGW, which will be the subject of a subsequent posting. Click Tiger’s Tale and Tail :^) to see my allocation and read the original story.

NATURAL PROCESSES AND CYCLES

This posting is about how natural processes and cycles have dominated the global warming experienced since 1880. The base chart for the above graphic is the NASA GISS Global Land-Ocean Temperature Index that indicates the official climate Team estimate of about 0.8ºC net warming, the majority of which they allocate to human activities. In contrast, according to my annotations, the actual net warming is closer to 0.5ºC (0.8ºC – 0.3ºC Data Bias), and most of that, 0.4ºC, is due to natural cycles and processes over which humans have no control or effect.

The violet curve in the graphic is my estimate of the effect of natural cycles from 1880 to the present. There are many natural processes that affect the surface temperature of the Earth, but nearly all of them gain their energy from the Sun which is why I call them Normal Seasons of the Sun. In the following three sections, they are divided into three groups, according to their time scales and effects.

GRADUAL PROCESSES AND CYCLES LESS IMPORTANT ON HUMAN TIME SCALES

Biological life is thought to have existed on Earth for about 3.5 billion years. Over that enormous time period, natural processes and cycles have affected the evolution of life. Absent those processes, we would not be here, or at least not in our current condition. However, some of these processes and cycles operate ponderously slowly, to the point they are barely noticed on the time scale of an individual human life or even on the time scale of ten lives. Therefore, they are of virtually no concern:

(a) Brightening Sun The Sun is about 4.5 billion years old, and about halfway through what is called the main sequence evolution for a star of its type. It has been getting brighter, but very slowly and nearly imperceptibly. In about 5 billion years, the Sun will become a Red Giant, and life as we know it on Earth will no longer be possible. However, the rate of brightening is so small that we may ignore it.

(b) Milankovitch Cycles. The Earth’s orbit around the Sun is affected by slow, cyclic variations in eccentricity (100,000 years), axial tilt (41,000 years), and precesssion (21,000 years). Changes in the Earth’s orbit do not affect the quantity of average yearly solar radiation, but the distribution between equatorial regions and polar regions is affected. This may be the cause of the approximately 100,000 year cycle of ice age glaciations. However, the contribution of these effects over a period as short as that from 1880 to the present is so small we may ignore it.

(c) Heat from Earth’s Core. About 0.01% of the energy responsible for heating the surface of the Earth is due to energy from the decay of radioactive materials in the Earth’s core. This source has a half life measured in billions of years. This is such a tiny fraction of the Earth’s heat budget that we may ignore it.

PROCESSES AND CYCLES OF IMPORTANCE ON HUMAN TIME SCALES

(d) Normal Seasons of the Sun. The nominal 11-year Solar Cycles, during which Sunspot counts vary from low numbers to a peak and then down again, may be as short as 9 years or as long as 14. Magnetic polarity changes for every pair of cycles, so there is an 18 to 28 year magnetic cycle. Often there are series of three or more cycles, spanning periods of 30 to 150 or more years where solar activity may be very low (below 50 spots per month) and series of similar lengths where activity may be very high (above 100 spots per month).

Low Sunspot series are historically associated with decades of unusually cold climate and vice-versa for high Sunspot series. Total Solar Irradiation (TSI) does not change much during a single Sunspot cycle, but, over a series of high (or low) cycles, it may change enough to result in an increase (or decrease) of 0.1ºC. This TSI effect of Solar Cycles accounts for about a quarter of the of 0.4ºC I have allocated for natural cycles.

(e) Henrick Svensmark’s Global Cosmic Ray (GCR) Theory. GCRs have a positive role in the formation of clouds. Low-lying daytime clouds tend to cool the surface of the Earth. Therefore, all else being equal, the more GCRs, the more clouds, and the cooler the surface of the Earth. Increased solar magnetic activity, which coincides with higher Sunspot numbers, may divert some portion of GCRs from reaching the Earth, thereby reducing cloud formation and thus lessening their cooling effects.

Via this mechanism, a series of high Sunspot cycles may indirectly cause surface temperatures to rise, and a series of low cycles may cause them to fall, which is consistent with the historical record. Svensmark’s theory, if correct, could account for some of the 0.4ºC I have allocated to natural cycles and processes.

(f) Multi-Decadal Ocean Oscillations. There are a number of ocean oscillations, with periods of from less than a decade to multiple decades, that affect sea surface temperatures and therefore have climate impacts worldwide. These include the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), the El-Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO), North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), and others. The ENSO, for example, has a warm phase, called El Niño, Spanish for “the boy”, and a cool phase, called La Niña, “the girl”. The El Niño that started in 1998 caused global warming of 0.1ºC to 0.4ºC for a couple years.

While the net effect of any cycle on temperature anomalies is zero, they have significant effects during their high and low durations. Given the existence of several, somewhat independent ocean oscillations, their high and low times may tend to reinforce or cancel each other out, and that may explain multi-decadal episodes of positive and negative anomalies. There may be some correlation of these cycles with solar activity, which is, of course, the main source of their energy. Thus, ocean cycles could account for some of the 0.4ºC I have allocated to natural cycles and processes.

POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS OF IMPORTANCE ON HUMAN TIME SCALES

(g) ATMOSPHERIC GASES (net positive feedback). Long-wave radiation from the Earth extends from about 4 to 25 microns, with maximum energy around 10 microns. See the absorption spectrum for “greenhouse” gases. Note that the absorption spectra for water vapor (H2O) in the range of interest extends from about 5 to 8 microns and from around 12 to 25 microns. Note also that the absorption spectra for other atmospheric gases, such as methane (CH4), carbon dioxide (CO2), nitrous oxide (NO2), and oxygen/ozone (O2/O3), partially overlap H2O such that the atmosphere absorbs (and re-emits) nearly 100% of 4 to 25 micron radiation, except for two nearly transparent windows in the 8 to 9 and 10 to 12 micron regions.

Nearly all the carbon gases in the atmosphere are from natural sources, mostly respiration and digestive gasses of living animals and the decay of dead plants and animals. (The small proportion of carbon gases due to human activity, mainly burning of previously sequestered coal, oil, and natural gas, will be discussed in a future topic here on WUWT. For the purposes of this posting, only natural carbon gases are considered.)

When an atmospheric gas absorbs longwave radiation in its spectrum, that radiative energy is re-emitted in a broader spectrum and in all directions, about half towards the Earth and the other half out towards space.

When atmospheric CO2 absorbs 4 to 5 micron radiation from the Earth, or CH4 absorbs 7 to 8 micron radiation, and that energy is re-emitted, some will fall into the nearly transparent windows and head out to space nearly unimpeded. About half of the remaining energy will be re-emitted back towards the Earth’s surface and will add to warming.

The same is true for H2O, NO2, O2, and O3. Thus, increases in any of these gases will tend to increase warming of the Earth, all else being equal. That means, should the surface of the Earth experience a temperature increase, due to natural solar effects or any other cause, and if that increases emission of carbon gases from equatorial and summer temperate oceans, and reduces absorption of carbon gases by the polar and the winter temperate oceans, that will consititute a positive feedback. The inverse is also true. Should surface temperatures decrease, and if this reduces the amount of CO2, CH4, or H2O gases in the atmosphere, that will reduce the “greenhouse” effect, and tend to further cool the surface. Thus carbon gases and water vapor represent a positive feedback to surface warming.

(h) CLOUDS (net negative feedback). Short-wave radiation from the Sun extends from about 0.2 microns (ultraviolet light) to 2 microns (near infrared light), with maximum energy around 0.5 microns (green light in the visible spectrum). Moderate warming of the surface has a net effect of increasing the extent of cloud cover. Daytime clouds reflect much of the short-wave radiation back out to space, which is a powerful negative feedback. However, both day- and nightime clouds also absorb long-wave radiation from the Earth and re-emit about half of it back down, further warming the surface, a positive feedback. There is disagreement over whether the net effect of clouds is warming or cooling. Most of the official climate Team models assume the net effect is positive, others, including me, assume it nets out as negative.

(i) SURFACE ICE (net positive feedback). Ice, having a high albedo (reflective quality of white or light-colored surfaces), reflects much of the short-wave radiation from the Sun back out to space, which has a cooling effect. Warming of the Earth’s surface may thin and ultimately melt the ice and expose the underlying sea water or land. Water and land are less reflective. Thus, warming that causes melting has a net positive feedback.

(j) THUNDERSTORMS, HURRICANES, ETC. (net negative feedback). These tend to mix the atmosphere and, since the surface is generally warmer than the lower air masses, storms and other disturbances of the atmosphere tend to be a cooling influence. Thunderstorms, in particular, tend to lift warmer air from the surface to higher elevations where the heat energy may more readily radiate out to space.

Thus, if warming of the surface causes more water vapor in the atmosphere, and if this causes more thunderstorms and hurricanes, or makes them more intense, they have a negative feedback effect.

(k) PRECIPITATION (net negative feedback). Water vapor in the atmosphere cools by radiation of its heat energy in all directions, including out to space. The vapor condenses, forming liquid (rain) and solid (snow) water precipitates. Since the radiating tends to take place high in the atmosphere, where the heat energy may more readily radiate out to space, this precipitation constitutes a net cooling effect. Rain and snow tend to be cooler than the surface, and that is also a net cooling effect. Thus, if warming of the surface causes more water vapor in the atmosphere, and if this causes more precipitation, that is a negative feedback effect.

(l) VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS. These spew hot gases, liquids, and solids from the bowels of the Earth onto the surface and into the atmosphere. In the short-term, this tends to heat the surface. However, the aerosols from the volcano, basically sulphur and other mineral compounds, are driven high into the air and tend to remain for years, which tends to reflect Sunlight back into space, which, in the longer-term, tends to cool the surface. The net effect is cooling. For example, the eruption at Mt. Pinatubo in 1991 cooled global temperatures 0.1ºC to 0.3ºC for a few years thereafter.

CONCLUSIONS AND REQUESTS

I believe I have hit on and briefly described all the major natural processes and cycles that affect average global temperatures. However, if readers have additional information or corrections to what I said about any of them, or if there are some I missed, I would appreciate detailed comments to improve my summary.

It seems to me that my estimate of 0.4ºC for Normal Seasons of the Sun is fully justified, but I am open to hearing the opinions of WUWT readers who may think I have over- (or under-) estimated this component of the supposed 0.8ºC rise in global temperatures since 1880.

In my first and second postings in this Tale of the Global Warming Tiger series, I asked for comments on my allocations: to: (1) Data Bias 0.3ºC, (2) Natural Cycles 0.4ºC, and (3) AGW 0.1ºC.

Quite a few readers were kind enough to comment, either expressing general agreement or offering their own estimates.

Some commenters claim that the actual Data Bias is larger than my estimate of 0.3ºC. Some think Data Bias may be responsible for the entire amount of the supposed 0.8ºC rise in global temperatures since 1880, meaning that net warming over that period is ZERO. I accept that Data Bias may be 50% more (or less) than my estimate, which would put it between 0.15ºC and 0.45ºC, but I doubt it could be as large as 0.8ºC.

Others commenters claim that AGW is ZERO. In other words, they believe that rising CO2 and land use changes due to human activities have no effect on temperatures or climate. They believe the lack of effect is due to the negative feedback from cloud albedo and other natural negative feedback processes. I agree clouds have a net negative feedback (most official models assume a net positive feedback) but I do not believe this cancels out all the effects of CO2 on the Earth’s surface absorption of Solar radiation nor of albedo changes due to land use. I accept that AGW may be 50% less (or more) than my estimate, which would put it between 0.05ºC and 0.2ºC, but I doubt it could be as large as 0.8ºC.

What do you think? I have been keeping a spreadsheet record of WUWT reader’s opinions, which I appreciate and value greatly, along with their screen names, and I plan to report the results later in this series.

This is what you may look forward to:

Some People Claim There’s a Human to Blame – Yes, human actions, mainly burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use, are responsible for some small amount of Global Warming.

Is the Global Warming Tiger a Pussy Cat? – If, as many of us expect, natural processes lead to stabilization of global temperatures over the coming decades, and perhaps a bit of cooling, we will realize the whole Global Warming uproar was like the boy who saw a pussy cat and cried tiger.

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Murray Duffin
January 23, 2011 9:25 am

Ira, I think the 0.8 degrees warming is fro[m] ca 1910, at a min., rather than 1880 which was relatively warm. That would knock at least another 0.2 degrees from your warming. Also given all of the biases in play, it is likely that the bias is closer to (or more than) 0.5 degrees. We have many examples of no trends in the raw data from 1880 to now. following are just 2. I can provide nearly 2 pages of links to biases.
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/Rate_of_Temp_Change_Raw_and_Adjusted_NCDC_Data.pdf
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/ne_tem p_history_trends.pdf

January 23, 2011 9:28 am

An excellent summary. I have not seen Sudden Stratospheric Warming (SSW) mentioned. Most things that are cyclical have positive and negative effects. The interesting thing about SSW is that it only acts one way; it cools the earth. We dont know a lot about it.

Jeff Alberts
January 23, 2011 9:33 am

Should be seasons IN the sun. That song came out when I was in Middle School, and I hated it. 😉

john edmondson
January 23, 2011 9:38 am

Ira,
Looks analysis looks right to me. The next 5 to 10 years will prove Henrik Svensmark’s GCR theory right I think. Obviously, the assumption is for a weak cycle 24 and a weak(er) cycle 25.
The brightening sun is an important point though. This is strong evidence that the Earth’s climate is controlled by clouds, which are a negetive feedback on termperature. There has been liquid water on Earth for most of it’s 4.5 billion year history, yet the sun has increased in brightness (25%) during this time. This fact is crucial. I wonder what would happen to the GCMs if the sun was 25% less bright. Snowball Earth is the answer, the GCMs have the feedback the wrong way round.

Roger Otip
January 23, 2011 9:41 am

Leonard Weinstein

I think data bias is about 0.1 C. I think natural cause is about 0.4 C. Thus human cause is about 0.3 C

Then you’re maybe just about in agreement with the IPCC when they say that it’s very likely that most of the warming since the mid-20th century is due to human activity. It’s said that much of the warming of the early 20th century was down to an increase in solar irradiance, but solar irradiance has not increased over the past three decades whilst temparatures have been rising, suggesting that a large proporation of the recent warming is due to human activity.

D. King
January 23, 2011 9:42 am

I just have one question Ira.
Do you have confidence in the “raw” temperature data?

Daryl
January 23, 2011 9:49 am

I object to any form of apology being offered to Terry Jacks. He owes us an apology for inflicting that song on the world, just as Al Gore owes us an apology for ‘An Inconvenient Truth’.

Editor
January 23, 2011 9:56 am

Hello Ira
I think this is a very valuable exercise. I am working on a similar front, though I am trying to route each climate variable back to its root cause/s. I’ll post my summary towards the end of this thread, as to not distract attention and comments from yours, but in the interim, here are my thoughts on how you can develop yours further:
Firstly, I agree with Bob Tisdale comments above on the inclusion of the AMO, and differentiation of the NAO as an Atmospheric Oscillation versus versus an Oceanic Oscillation. In my research I’ve come across 4 “Major” Oceanic Oscillations: the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), Atlantic Decadal Oscillation (AMO), Indian Ocean Oscillation (IOO) and El Nino/La Nina, and 7 “Major” Atmospheric Oscillations: The Arctic Oscillation (AO), Antarctic Oscillation (AAO), North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO), North Pacific Oscillation (NPO), the Madden / Julian Oscillation (MJO), Equatorial Indian Ocean Oscillation (EQUINOO) and Southern Oscillation (SO). Here is a summary of each of these Oscillations:
Oceanic Oscillations:
The Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO):
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/PDO.htm
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~mantua/REPORTS/PDO/PDO_egec.htm
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~mantua/REPORTS/PDO/PDO_cs.htm
http://jisao.washington.edu/pdo/PDO.latest
The Atlantic Multi-Decadal Oscillation (AMO):
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/AMO.htm
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/data/timeseries/AMO/
http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/phod/amo_faq.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_multidecadal_oscillation
The Indian Ocean Oscillation (IOO), which is closely associated with the Atmospheric Oscillation the Equatorial Indian Ocean Oscillation (EQUINOO) and is the Oceanic component of the Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD). The Indian Ocean Oscillation (IOO) is also closely connected to the El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO): (Note, took some liberty in naming the Indian Ocean Oscillation (IOO) as it does not appear to have a well established name within the literature. It might be better as the Indian Ocean Interannual/Decadal Oscillation (IOIDO), but time will sort that out.)
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/28816.pdf
http://www.springerlink.com/content/51n8664436045952/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_Dipole
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/sci/2010-10/04/c_13542305.htm
El Nino/La Nina, which are closely associated with the Atmospheric Oscillation the Southern Oscillation (SO), is the Oceanic component of the El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO);
http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/ENSO.htm
http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/el-nino-southern-oscillation-enso
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/04/26/enso-update/
Atmospheric Oscillations:
The Arctic Oscillation (AO):
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.shtml
http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/arctic-oscillation-ao
(The following is a good animation of the Northern polar circulation and Arctic Oscillation over the last 30 days);
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/intraseasonal/z500_nh_anim.shtml
The Antarctic Oscillation (AAO):
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/aao/aao.shtml
http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/antarctic-oscillation-aao
(The following is a good animation of the Southern polar circulation and Antarctic Oscillation over the last 30 days):
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/intraseasonal/z500_sh_anim.shtml
The North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO):
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao.shtml
http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/north-atlantic-oscillation-nao
The North Pacific Oscillation (NPO), which is closely associated with the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Pacific_Oscillation
http://www.atmos.umd.edu/~nigam/Linkin-Nigam.JCLIM.May.2008.pdf
The Madden / Julian Oscillation (MJO):
http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/MJO/mjo.shtml
http://wwa.colorado.edu/IWCS/archive/IWCS_2008_May_focus.pdf
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/12/22/the-madden-julian-oscillation/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madden%E2%80%93Julian_oscillation
The Equatorial Indian Ocean Oscillation (EQUINOO), which is closely associated with the Oceanic Oscillation the Indian Ocean Oscillation (IOO), and is the Atmospheric component of Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD). The Equatorial Indian Ocean Oscillation (EQUINOO) is also closely connected to the El Nino Southern Oscillation (ENSO):
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CB0QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fdownload%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.74.9668%26rep%3Drep1%26type%3Dpdf&rct=j&q=%22EQUINOO%22%20atmospheric&ei=7WIfTcPBOcL78AbX8YDhDQ&usg=AFQjCNFiWHVPF-KYx7ifdVbB3HKEcdcCBg&sig2=KPCUfkXR89b-GN1vTVp9ZQ&cad=rja
http://www.springerlink.com/content/51n8664436045952/
http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/28816.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ocean_Dipole
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/sci/2010-10/04/c_13542305.htm
and the Southern Oscillation (SO), which is closely associated with the Oceanic Oscillation El Nino/La Nina and collectively referred to as (ENSO)
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/MJO/enso.shtml
http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/southern-oscillation-soi
http://www.ossfoundation.us/projects/environment/global-warming/el-nino-southern-oscillation-enso

P Gosselin
January 23, 2011 10:00 am

The lack of volcanoes since Pinatubo likely contributed to warming…due to a clear stratosphere. http://notrickszone.com/2010/12/19/study-shows-half-of-warming-since-1980-due-to-clean-skies/

wayne
January 23, 2011 10:01 am

Michael says:
January 23, 2011 at 6:34 am

Wayne Says: “That is not possible. That radiation you are speaking of just cooled the surface by the same amount when it radiated into the atmosphere and was absorbed. You must mean “the cooling of the surface was cancelled” by the same amount. Now that would be a true statement.”
This is a typical skeptic mistake and misunderstanding. Is it not true that Earth is not a closed system, the sun is adding heat all the time, if the heat coming in heats the surface and is radiated into the atmosphere but then half of it is bounced back then you have increased the heat in the system by the amount bounced back. Your understanding of ‘True Physics” is seriously flawed.

Not quite so fast Michael, you are the one who is making a joke of “True Physics”. Get out your trusty Kiehl & Trenberth energy budget. Got it? You try to take that 168 Wm-2 shortwave coming in from the sun and say “Look, that energy is radiated to the atmosphere and is absorbed and half comes back and that increased the heat of the system”. Right? Isn’t what you just said above? You did the same thing I was pointing out to Ira. I’m sure it was just a slip on his part. You left out the portion of the cooling just as he explained it, that’s not that whole story. You are attempting to pull the same AGW trick I mentioned in the very first comment of this article. Lets me go over it in much more detail… the part I assumed he would understand but you just blindly picked up:
168 Wm-2 * 0.961 emissivity = 161.5 Wm-2 + half of the 67 Wm-2 absorbed by the atmosphere.
That’s 161.5 + 33.5 = 195 Wm-2 from the sun to the surface.
That is always received here on the ground every second of every day, the constant solar input.
But that’s only half enough to account for the 288K average temperature here on the surface. OK.
To limit the decimals I’ll borrow one Wm-2 for a minute…
196 up 98 down
98 up 49 down
49 up 24.5 down
24.5 up 12.25 down
12.5 up ….. and so on to the last Wm-2.
Tally all of the Wm-2 that comes down and what do you have, well I’ll be, 196 Wm-2 and
196 (give back the borrowed one and say 195) + the original 195 that is always here is the 390 Wm-2 in trenberth’s graphic that creates the environment that we live in. Convert it to Celsius and you get 15 ºC which IS the accepted figure for the mean temperature of the earth.
But wait, by my method of explanation, which is really the true physics method to explain this, and the statement of Ira I was complaining about, has one HUGE, HUGE difference. The way most AGW proponents word it more GHG’s in the atmosphere will cause more to be radiated downward somehow. That cannot happen by the true physics accounting. The only way for something more to come down is for more to be there to go up and there is no more ‘there’ unless we receive more every second. That is the radiation field that is set by the solar irradiance level that hits the earth.
That now brings me to Ferenc Miskolczi’s paper. There’s some great insight there, physics wise. By my explanation above you should see with the radiation going up and ½ down that goes back up and ½ down that goes up and ½ down to the last photon and is an integration of what is here and what is here is 288K equivalent to 390 W/m2 and that, by physics is all there is. No Kiehl & Trenberth doubletalk in the way the graphic is draw and arrows drawn, no mysterious 324 W/m2 magically coming down from the co2 laden atmosphere. That my friend is the true physics of it. Ferenc describes it in equations as Au = Ed which is the up and down of the close to ½ of the resonating LWIR that occurs here in the lower troposphere and it is equal (well not exact for due the geometry of the earth and very slight directional component in re-radiation it’s less than half down) and so K&T’s figures are off a bit.
If I bruised your ego, didn’t mean to.

Ira:
I’m sorry if I jumped all over your statement but standing alone it brings the wrong view into the minds of so many people, I just had to say something. When you isolate energy and it leaves the surface, do mention the cooling that does actually occur. I know it is so much easier to say such a simple statement that going into what I laid out above in response to Michael but it’s better to give them the whole truth, believe me.

January 23, 2011 10:01 am

Dr. Glickstein,
Good “fair and balanced” summary of climate change issues!
I am skeptical of the CO2 contribution to warming the Earth. Yes, Earth’s atmosphere does provide a “comfort blanket” of about 33C above the black-body temperature of 255K. And, yes, CO2 is a powerful absorber of IR energy in the bands you mentioned above (although I think the 15 micron band is more important here, because it’s closer to the terrestrial thermal radiation peak).
The question is, how much warming effect does CO2 alone have on terrestrial warming? (Leaving aside “H2O feedback” effects for argument’s sake).
Answer: We have an ideal planetary CO2 greenhouse laboratory in place on the planet Mars, whose atmosphere is 95% CO2, with no other GHG’s to complicate the anlysis. Virtually no warming due to CO2 is observed.
The Martian atmosphere is much thinner, only 1% of Earth, but because it’s almost pure CO2 the actual concentration of CO2 is about 30 times greater per unit surface area than on Earth.
Yet the mean surface temperature is the same as the black body temperature, ~210 K, according to NASA’s “Mars Fact Sheet”:
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/marsfact.html
Black-body temperature: Mars 210.1 K Earth 255 K
Average temperature: Mars ~210 K Earth 288 K
Conclusion: Even though CO2 is a powerful absorber of 15 micron radiation, in isolation its contribution to “greenhouse warming” is negligible.
Whenever I bring this up, someone invariably mentions that “pressure broadening” may play a role here. Pressure broadening refers to the apparent thickening of aborption lines under high pressure. But is there any conlusive evidence or experiment that proves that this effect actually produces warming, without any help from other feedback mechanisms?
And, getting back to Mars, why is it that CO2 doesn’t produce a lot warming. I have to admit I am surprised too that the much more abundant CO2 (compared to Earth) doesn’t warm the planet up.

Editor
January 23, 2011 10:14 am

Secondly, in terms of estimating the impact that Earth’s Oceanic and Atmospheric Oscillations on Earth’s temperature the following sources might be helpful:
Abstract to a presentation by Wang, Y.; Yao, T. at the American Geophysical Union’s 2010 Fall Meeting on the influence of the Northern Hemisphere atmosphere-ocean couple systems on the 20th century warming on the Tibetan Plateau.
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2010AGUFMGC41A0875W
Their “REOF analysis suggests that the 20th century warming revealed by the Malan ice core was remarkably influenced by the summer NAO and AO indices, and winter AO and PDO indices. A multivariate linear regression shows when combined, the summer NAO and winter PDO and AO account for 63.2% variations of the total variance in δ18O over the past century. ”
Also in this paper on the “empirical evidence for interannual and longer period variability in Thailand surface air temperatures”;
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V95-4PBDPT6-1&_user=10&_coverDate=02%2F29%2F2008&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_origin=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1616888763&_rerunOrigin=google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=c21e8ba8600e4dcbfd5d2bb32a80b4e4&searchtype=a
“The spatio-temporal variations of monthly averaged maximum, mean and minimum surface air temperatures (Tmax, Tmean, Tmin) in Thailand for the period between 1951 and 2003 have been examined using Principal Component Analysis. The objective of this study was to determine the dominant patterns of interannual and longer period variability and illustrate their connection to large-scale climate variability.
The results reveal that the dominant variability in Tmax, Tmean and Tmin can be explained in large measure by the first principal component (PC1), which accounts for 60%, 61% and 62% of the total variance, respectively. The coefficient time series associated with PC1 appear to have oscillated in relation to the primary global climate variability. There are significant indications that El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) events are an important source of interannual/interdecadal variability in Thailand surface air temperatures.”
It’s obviously only two points of reference, and they are both from the same geographic neighborhood, but 60ish% seems to be an interesting recurring theme…

Ian W
January 23, 2011 10:26 am

Carl Chapman says:
January 23, 2011 at 4:55 am
I don’t think negative feedback could cancel out a forcing entirely. That would require infinite negative feedback. For example, if a forcing changed a variable by 1 unit, then negative feedback of -1/9 would reduce the change by 0.1 of a unit to 0.9 of a unit, since -1/9 * 0.9 = 0.1 Negative feedback of 1 would reduce the change by 0.5 to 0.5, since -1 * 0.5 = 0.5 Negative feedback of -999,999 would reduce the feedback by 0.999999 to 0.000001, since -999,999 * 0.000001 = 0.999999.
Another way to think of it is that the feedback needs some of the original change to be left for the feedback to work on.
My guess is that negative feedback of -2 reduces the change in temperature to 1/3 of what it would be without feedback. So if doubling CO2 would raise the temperature by 1.2 Celsius, then that’s 0.4 degrees after negative feedback.

You are making the mistake of a lot of mathematicians treating the world as static so the formulae are simple and fit on the back of an envelope.
Take a tropical area – the day warms up and as it does so clouds start to form shading the surface – negative feedback(1) by albed0. However, the clouds formed as the water from the surface was evaporating – negative feedback(2) due latent heat. The humid air is less dense than dry air – so will rise increasing the convection currents carrying it latent heat up until the lapse rate results in condensation into more cloud radiating the latent heat at a higher level – a negative feedback(3). The air currents in the convection start increasing in strength and the rate at which the air cools due to the lapse rate is slower than the rate which it is carried upward (air currents in the ITCZ can be up to 100kts upward) warm air and liquid water may be carried as high as 30,000 feet or more before they finally cool enough to freeze,. The result is a towering cumulonimbus that shields a huge area of the surface from the sun -increased negative feedback (4) with rain falling to the surface at a high rate – some was hail before melting on the way down a large very negative feedback (5) at the surface as sensible heat is absorbed by the cold precipitation.
Then the sun starts to set and there is no more incoming radiation but the negative feedbacks from convection currents continue the cooling as they are driven by the heat content of the surface and the evaporation rate – negative feedback to an energy supply that stopped perhaps hours previously. Eventually the convective cooling (negative feedback) results in a balance and the convective weather calms there will be some positive feedback as the clouds evaporate back to humid air but this radiation is not scattered back to the surface it is absorbed as latent heat of evaporation.
Some of the energy has been converted into kinetic energy leading both to updrafts and to surface winds as air is ‘drawn in’ under the cloud – negative feedback (6). The air drawn in will cause more evaporation to take place than would have otherwise occurred in still air – leading to more negative feedback (7). These winds tend to continue longer than the input energy due to momentum of the air flow so they carry on into the night. It is quite conceivable that the clouds formed by a previous day’s input are still in existence the next day. Their albedo is not a feedback to _the current day’s_ input but they are actually stopping the current day’s input energy
Large swirls of air form due to strong convection (see Hadley and Ferrel Cells) leading to cold polar pushing under warm ex-tropical air which rises and cloud forms at ‘the cold front’. These clouds are a long term negative feedback (8) from the sun’s energy that caused the convective uplift that caused incoming air to become the winds driven by Coriolis force to become the swirls and cyclones.
Do you still think that your simple everything-else-held-static negative feedback equation can adequately describe what happens in nature?

mondo
January 23, 2011 10:27 am

Good post Ira. A couple of thoughts that spring to mind.
You are talking global mean temperature, global averages. However, each of us experiences local and regional climate (and weather), not global averages. At a local and regional level, land use factors (as well described by Roger Pielke Sr) can have very significant effects, particularly if desertification is involved. People experiencing such conditions can convince themselves that it is global warming causing it, but in fact it is much more likely to be the land use factors (desert bowl in the US during the 1930s for example).
My second point is that the components of the aggregate number can be rather greater than you suggest, with large negative feedbacks cancelling out the large positive contributors.
So in my world, I suggest that data bias of various kinds can contribute perhaps 1 deg (or more) positive to the mean, with natural factors contributing perhaps 0.5 deg, but with the negative factors you describe offsetting those factors to give the net “observed” result of around 0.8 degrees.
The reality is that we don’t really know very much about the complex climate system.

Honest ABE
January 23, 2011 10:39 am

I recall NASA, or some other major climate organization, once saying that half or .4 C of the temp. record (the earlier warming) was due to solar influences, but I can’t seem to find the link.
Back in 2001 Hansen did admit that the urban influence on the GISS dataset was around .1 C:
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20011105/
If he admits that then I suspect it is actually higher since his admitted method for correcting UHI does not seem terribly accurate to me.

wayne
January 23, 2011 10:40 am

I give.

Mike
January 23, 2011 10:45 am

“If, as many of us expect, natural processes lead to stabilization of global temperatures over the coming decades, and perhaps a bit of cooling, we will realize the whole Global Warming uproar was like the boy who saw a pussy cat and cried tiger.”
So, the world’s leading experts think the tiger is real, but we should ignore this because bloggers with no training in the relevant fields are “skeptical”? If we act now and it turns out the bloggers were right, we will look silly and will have wasted a good bit of money. If the bloggers are wrong and we do nothing we get eaten alive.
If case you have forgotten your childhood stories, in the “Boy who cried Wolf,” there really was a wolf!

January 23, 2011 10:53 am

JR Wakefield says: What has been happening during this warming phase is winters have been getting less cold.
not exactly what I have been finding in the SH?
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/01/23/normal-seasons-of-the-sun-gw-tiger/#comment-581093

Editor
January 23, 2011 10:57 am

Thirdly, I am not sure where, possibly in your “(j) THUNDERSTORMS, HURRICANES, ETC. (net negative feedback).” but I think you should cover Polar Vortices;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_vortex
which “are caused when an area of low pressure sits at the rotation pole of a planet. This causes [very cold] air to spiral down from higher in the atmosphere, like water going down a drain.”
http://www.universetoday.com/973/what-venus-and-saturn-have-in-common/
Key measures in accessing polar vortices appear to be if/when they coalesce into a single funnel during the Winter and when in the Spring the coalesced funnel breaks-up. For example, this year the Arctic Polar Vortex does not appear to have coalesced yet;
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/intraseasonal/z500_nh_anim.shtml
and thus the multiple lobes of the uncoalesced Polar Vortex appear to be reaching further down to lower latitudes this year, similar to what occurred in 1985:
” The January 1985 Arctic outbreak[1] was a meteorological event, the result of the shifting of the polar vortex further south than is normally seen.[1] Blocked from its normal movement, polar air from the north pushed into nearly every section of the eastern half of the United States, shattering record lows in a number of states.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1985_Arctic_outbreak
This paper summarizes some of the differences between having a coalesced and uncoalesed polar vortex:
http://www.ace.uwaterloo.ca/publications/Manney-ExtremeArcticWinters_ACP.pdf
“The first three Arctic winters of the ACE mission represented two extremes of winter variability: Stratospheric sudden warmings (SSWs) in 2004 and 2006 were among the strongest, most prolonged on record; 2005 was
a record cold winter.”
“Temperature and vortex evolution was very similar in the two years [2004 and 2006], with the vortex breaking down throughout the stratosphere, reforming quickly in the upper stratosphere, while remaining weak in the middle and (especially) lower stratosphere.”
“2005 was the coldest winter on record in the lower stratosphere, but with an early final warming in mid-March.”
“Disparate temperature profile structure and vortex evolution resulted in much lower (higher) temperatures in the upper (lower) stratosphere in 2004 and 2006 than in 2005. Satellite temperatures agree well with lidar data up to 50–60 km, and ACE-FTS, MLS and SABER show good agreement in high-latitude temperatures throughout the winters. Consistent with a strong, cold upper stratospheric vortex and enhanced radiative cooling after the SSWs, MLS and ACE-FTS trace gas measurements show strongly enhanced descent in the upper stratospheric vortex in late January through March 2006 compared to that in 2005.”
Here a couple videos to help visualize the process:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-avwKDhXIrQ&feature=related

dp
January 23, 2011 11:01 am

Ira said:
“Biological life is thought to have existed on Earth for about 3.5 billion years”
It is difficult to see this fact as anything but evidence that the net feedback in all forms is negative. If it were positive this number would be much smaller and we very likely would not be here to discuss it.
The climate record also suggests that there are multiple conditions of stability, or climapauses, where a change happens but which is followed by another change, and that these changes are stable over long periods of time. Ice ages, for example. Some of these changes can be associated with physical phenomena (Milankovitch cycles, for example).
What is missing from the climate record are climate drifts and climapauses that have as their origination events that transpire as a consequence of eruptive biomass activity (CO2 released by humans being a notable alleged example) .

R. Gates
January 23, 2011 11:09 am

A worthwhile exercise for a simple overview, though I agree with other posters who would like you to include other oceans cycles, especially the AMO, as it does have a significant influence as a longer term cycle. Also of course, you are treating the climate as though it were a linear system that can be easily laid out, and your discussion seems void of any in-depth discussion of positive feedbacks between anthropogenic GH gases and other natural cycles.
As a dynamical energy system existing on the edge of chaos, the climate certainly is subject to rapid change with the seemingly smallest of nudges, and this is born out in the paleoclimate record. These tipping points are created when some small change creates a cascading effect of positive feedbacks as the system quickly tries to find a new balance and enters a new regime. Your underlying assumption then, is that the 40% increase in CO2 is not affecting these other natural cycles. This assumption is not that of many climatologists who are studying the potential feedbacks that might exist between CO2 and the PDO, AMO, ENSO, etc. These are not trivial questions, and relate directly to how sensitive the climate may be to CO2 levels, and what level of nudge it may take to send the system into a new regime via a tipping point being crossed.
In short, your analysis, while appropriate for a simple linear discussion of the climate, is not accurate, and can’t be, for the real-world nonlinear, dynamical, and edge-of-chaos nature of the earth’s climate, where small nudges in one area can have repercussions that are deterministic but quite unpredictable throughout the whole system.