The simple man's math

Dr. Roger Pielke Jr. explains why some leftist bloggers set themselves up for failure when they espouse their intellectual superiority. Screaming “hell, high water, global boiling, climate disruption, etc ” while at the same time saying “you’re too dumb to understand it” looks to be an epic “failure to communicate”.

He writes:

If you spend anytime at all perusing the blogosphere, you will find a common theme coming from self-described liberal or progressive bloggers, and that is that those on the political right are ignoramuses.

The argument is that they are just too stupid to know what’s what – they are even anti-science, rejecting knowledge itself — and consequently they support dumb candidates advocating ignorant policies. Such arguments are particularly evident in the corner of the blogosphere that discusses the climate change issue.  This line of argument of course is a variant of the thinking that if only people shared a common understanding of scientific facts they would also share a common political orientation (typically the political orientation of whomever is expressing these views).

Read his whole post here where he explains why.

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The Climate Fix: What Scientists and Politicians Won’t Tell You About Global Warming is now available at Amazon.com

Why has the world been unable to address global warming? Science policy expert Roger Pielke, Jr., says it’s not the fault of those who reject the Kyoto Protocol, but those who support it, and the magical thinking that the agreement represents.

In The Climate Fix, Pielke offers a way to repair climate policy, shifting the debate away from meaningless targets and toward a revolution in how the world’s economy is powered, while de-fanging the venomous politics surrounding the crisis. The debate on global warming has lost none of its power to polarize and provoke in a haze of partisan vitriol. The Climate Fix will bring something new to the discussions: a commonsense perspective and practical actions better than any offered so far.

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Pielke (The Honest Broker) presents a smart and hard-nosed analysis of the politics and science of climate change and proposes a commonsense approach to climate policy. According to Pielke, the iron law of climate policy dictates that whenever environmental and economic objectives are placed in opposition to each other, economics always wins. Climate policies must be made compatible with economic growth as a precondition for their success, he writes, and because the world will need more energy in the future, an oblique approach supporting causes, such as developing affordable alternative energy sources rather than consequences, such as controversial schemes like cap-and-trade, is more likely to succeed.

Although some may protest on principle the suggestion that we accept the inevitability of energy growth, Pielke’s focus on adaptation to climate change refreshingly sidesteps the unending debate over the reality of anthropogenic climate change, and opens up the possibility for effective action that places human dignity and democratic ideals at the center of climate policies.

The book is available at Amazon.com and I think it is destined to be a best seller in the “Global Warming” category.

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Why has the world been unable to address global warming? Science  policy  expert Roger Pielke, Jr., says it’s not the fault of those who  reject  the Kyoto Protocol, but those who support it, and the magical  thinking  that the agreement represents.

In <em>The Climate Fix</em>,  Pielke offers  a way to repair climate policy, shifting the debate away  from  meaningless targets and toward a revolution in how the world’s  economy  is powered, while de-fanging the venomous politics surrounding  the  crisis. The debate on global warming has lost none of its power to   polarize and provoke in a haze of partisan vitriol. <em>The Climate Fix</em> will bring something new to the discussions: a commonsense perspective and practical actions better than any offered so far.

Editorial Reviews via Amazon

From Publishers Weekly

Pielke (The Honest Broker) presents a smart and hard-nosed analysis of  the politics and science of climate change and proposes  a commonsense  approach to climate policy.  According to Pielke, the  iron law of  climate policy  dictates that whenever  environmental and economic  objectives are placed in opposition to each other,  economics always  wins.  Climate policies must be made compatible with economic growth as a  precondition for their success,  he writes, and because the world will  need more energy in the future, an  oblique  approach supporting   causes,  such as developing affordable alternative energy sources rather  than  consequences,  such as controversial schemes like cap-and-trade,  is more likely to succeed.

Although some may protest on principle the  suggestion that we accept the inevitability of energy growth, Pielke’s  focus on adaptation to climate change refreshingly sidesteps the  unending debate over the reality of anthropogenic climate change, and  opens up the possibility for effective action that places  human dignity  and democratic ideals at the center of climate policies.

The book is available at <a href=”http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Fix-Scientists-Politicians-Warming/dp/0465020526/&amp;tag=wattsupwithth-20″ target=”_blank”>Amazon.com</a> and I think it is destined to be a best seller in the “Global Warming” cate

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Bill Jamison

Actually those on the extreme left often ascribe more sinister motivations: that those who don’t believe are “evil”. For example, I read recently that deniers are “out to destroy the planet”. Silly claim to be sure.

Ed Forbes

At this point I do not care what the bloggers espousing CAGW have to say.
I am personally working the political front to kill AB32 in Calif and the US EPA’s endangerment finding on CO2. Killing these for the next 5 to 10 yrs should do it.
It feels real strange as one who considers himself as liberal voting a straight Republican ticket for the first time.
The congressional hearing on the subject that will be held next year should be interesting as the Republicans look to take over the House. Power of the purse will also go a long way to stop most of the foolishness.

Elitism, pure and simple. “We’re smarter than the unwashed masses”.
Perhaps high intelligence and educational achievement don’t always translate into being right.
In any case, I always been amused by people who view themselves as members of an elite class (the intelligentsia) espouse unending support for democracy… except when the masses disagree with them.

latitude

good Lord
They’ve made fools out of themselves and it’s our fault………..

Mike

And people on the Right don’t say folks on the Left are Stupid?
I think the truth is most people who think AGW is real don’t understand the science and most people who don’t believe AGE is real don’t understand the science. How many people got A’s in science? It is the same with evolution or even ghosts. For most people it boils down to which sources of information do they trust. Liberals are more likely to believe in ghosts (1). Conservatives are more likely to reject evolution (2).
(1) http://www.gallup.com/poll/17275/OneThird-Americans-Believe-Dearly-May-Departed.aspx
(2) http://www.gallup.com/poll/108226/Republicans-Democrats-Differ-Creationism.aspx
In the early 1900’s it was liberals who rejected evolution because they confused it with Social Darwinism. Now conservatives reject climatology because they think – wrongly – that it threatens the free market system. Once you’ve decided what you want believe it is easy enough to find and string together bits of evidence that support that belief. Hopefully as people’s economic fears wane they put a little more thought into their longer term interests.

Paul Coppin

The phenom even has a name: The Dunning-Kruger Effect
“The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which an unskilled person makes poor decisions and reaches erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to realize their mistakes.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. This leads to the situation in which less competent people rate their own ability higher than more competent people. It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence: because competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. “Thus, the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others.[2]“
And I’m sorry, I have to quote wackipedia as a source… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Gneiss

What’s the evidence, apart from Pielke’s own political prejudices, to support assertions that accusations of ignorance and stupidity come more frequently from “self-described liberal or progressive bloggers?”
We’ve seen many, many such accusations on this blog, for instance.

ShrNfr

@Paul Coppin, it fits Barrie Harrop like a pair of pants on your local corner streetwalker.

DirkH

And i thought leftism is caused by DRD4.

Dr A Burns

>>The argument is that they are just too stupid to know what’s what
Yes, it’s because 50% of the population are below average intelligence. (Median is about equal to mean for IQ). It explains why more people believe in alien abduction than AGW.

Gneiss,
If you were not being so busy being an “elitist” you could have read the source;
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/socdemo/voting/publications/p20/2008/Table%2005-1.xls, that Roger provided.
[Trimmed, Robt]

ben

Thomas Sowell’s “Conflict of Visions” is the last word, I think, on explaining the Leftist mindset. I’ve read most of it twice.

It’s one thing to believe an activist, and quite another to believe an activist and to jump off a cliff because he asks you to do so. Amazing how many are prepared to so just that.

Ian H

If you’ve ever served on a jury you’ll know that a college degree isn’t a vaccination against foolishness, and that many people without such qualifications are shrewd and sensible and often a very good judge of character. People without a college education may not know enough to judge the science accurately. But they know enough to judge the character of the scientists who are telling them these things. They are going to be asking themselves – “Do I trust these people”? That is why climategate was so damaging to the AGW crowd.

JPeden

To those such as Obama, Clinton, and Kerry who have now sequentially offered only that people oppose their initiatives because such people are unable to analyze fact and science, there is perhaps only one fitting response: “Polly want a cracker?”

DesertYote

I tend to agree that those with college degrees tend to be more Marxist then those without, just like those who sunbath tend to be darker then those who do not. Universities are primarily focused on Marxist indoctrination. They have developed the most sophisticated brainwashing system ever conceived. It is not a surprise that they are largely successful.

William

Many of the most aware, intelligent and sucessful people I know personally and many whom I have read about; (Thomas Edison, being one well known example of someone who refused to be institutionalized and thus was written off as an idiot) have not gone to college. Many budding writers who persure an undergraduate degree are warned not to go to Graduate School because it will destroy their talent. Institutions have long been the great brain adjusters to whatever the Status Quo is at the time. Some highly brilliant people also have a well tuned BS early warning system and thus escape it all and go on to move the World ahead a little notch further along than it was before.

Chris Edwards

I have yet to see any real facts to support AGW, Ive seen a lot of lies and corrupt data, Ive seem a whole lot of own goals on their side and a lot of nazi tactics, the real big thing is the elites cure for all pollution?? send it and all production to India and especially China, what a corrupt crock of shit. I do not have a degree but I have a good education from the 1960s, before the socialists infected the schools in England and if you ignore the political bullshit it is not hard to see what is going on, the left are elitists as are communists that is why they have seized global warming and made a holy grail out of it. Well done to them, they have ruined the economy of the USA and the EU, corrupted the banking system and enabled horrific pollution in China and India while destroying enviromentaly reasonable manufacture in the west. You do not have to look far to see the plan short term long term I cannot say, perhaps I would need to be as mad as them to understand their long term ideas! One good thing is if we get in to a position to prune the parasites working for government they have come out of the woodwork and made themselves known, the public servants can be sacked for corruption, no pay off and no hope of a job in local or national gov, scientists who have dishonored science should be stripped of all qualifications and banned from professional bodies and dismissed in disgrace, and heavily fined for their dishonesty. Everyone who bought in to the AGE/CO2 scam should be disgraced, any in office should be publicaly disgraced and banned from office again.
That would be a good start.

Henry chance

If the warmists are so smart, why do they think people have to be told how to think?

Stephen Brown

When I was still in uniform, wearing the Queen’s Crown on my cap-badge I had a bit of a run-in with an officer of a very much higher rank than mine.
He said to me that I should not give his first name as well as his surname when I introduced him to my wife; “Superior Officers should not be introduced in such a fashion.”
My reply was, “With all due respect sir, this organisation has many officers senior to me but none superior.”
I feel exactly the same way about politicians, scientists and anyone else who tries to assume a “superior” position.
I have a Master’s degree, earned in the early 70s when I had to work hard for the qualification. The last seven years of purgatory of living in the UK has formed my political opinions such that I now make Genghis Khan look like a pinko-liberal wimp! I refuse to accept assertions made by those “in authority”, my experience to date leads me to believe that I should discard any such assertions as being manifestly wrong simply because of their source.
I have sought what I consider to be hard evidence about the climate, about the economy and about the judicial system as these matters affect the citizens of this benighted Realm. The government is wrong about climate change/adjustments/disruption or whatever it is called now: it is equally completely out of touch with matters economic and judicial (our solution to prison overcrowding? Close 3000 prison places!) I am now convinced, nay, certain that the government of this country is simply perpetuating the lies of its avowedly Socialist predecessor.
We in the UK are ruled by the EUSSR, our own government is but an expensive frippery, sans power, sans courage, sans meaning.
All that I am certain of now is that it is all going to end in a frightful mess.
I sincerely hope that the USA can avoid the pitfalls of which we in the UK are providing all-too-clear an example.

P Walker

My observation has been that people who accuse others of stupidity on this blog are overwhelmingly from the AGW camp . If they get it thrown back in their faces , then so be it . BTW , I’ve also noticed that the most strident proponents of their own intellect are the least likely to back their assertions with facts .

Buffoon

” Now conservatives reject climatology because they think – wrongly – that it threatens the free market system”
If it doesn’t threaten a true free market economy, then what’s all this voting and political discussion about?

Didn’t think so.

rw

re: Thomas Sowell – I also recommend The Vision of the Annointed. It’s a brilliant book, and there’s a lot of stuff relevent to the present hysteria over global warming. In fact, Sowell’s 4-phase schema regarding liberal initiatives fits the AGW episode very well. The difference between this and the earlier disasterous efforts that he recounts is that in this case the suggested remedies to this (non-existent) problem are so draconian, that the whole process is now stalled in Phase 2. (Nonetheless, it’s perfectly obvious that had the liberal-left been successful in enacting their programs for addressing the ‘menace’ of AGW, Phases 3 and 4 would have followed Sowell’s scheme perfectly.)

DesertYote

Gneiss
October 31, 2010 at 1:14 pm
What’s the evidence, apart from Pielke’s own political prejudices, to support assertions that accusations of ignorance and stupidity come more frequently from “self-described liberal or progressive bloggers?”
We’ve seen many, many such accusations on this blog, for instance.
##
What are you talking about? I think I am the only one that regularly denigrates greenies here. And I don’t call you guys stupid or ignorant. I usually point out that you are cognitively dysfunctional. Which, BTW, your post clearly demonstrates.

K

Not having a college degree is not a big impediment to voting for elitists.
That’s what unions and ACORN are for.

Benjamin P.

The depressing take-home point should be that we as a society view education as “elitist”
Reading some of these comments makes me sad too.

This claim of “right wing” tends to mean “to the political right of Trotsky”. It’s sort of meaningless.
If I identify myself as a classical liberal, then I am neither a socialist nor a conservative nor a libertarian nor a moderate. But to people who disagree with me on global warming, I am part of the enemy that makes believers bond to each other when all else fails.
Does this mean I don’t criticize classical liberal beliefs or those who call themselves classical liberals? Heck no.
One of the things I have learned about myself is that intelligent people can be very easily deceived into believing stuff that ain’t so. And often showing people the error of their ways does not make them grateful, but angry and defensive instead. Global warming is the latest manifestation of a very long list of apocalyptic belief systems that are as old as humanity itself.
We all like our prejudices reaffirmed and not challenged. I know I do.

DesertYote says:
October 31, 2010 at 1:51 pm:
“I tend to agree that those with college degrees tend to be more Marxist then those without, just like those who sunbath tend to be darker then those who do not. ”
I concur. Unfortunately the timing is a bit early. It can be considered that Marxist will be the future of economic principles, but without abundant, cheap energy, it has no hope. People tend to forget that “energy” translate easily to “slave power”. Less external energy (kinetic or potential) will equal more human power. Thinking about the amount of automation in the modern steel processing plant in the terms of the amount of machinery that is doing the human equivalent is mind blowing.
In the future, we will be forced to consider Marxism, but we are not ready now.

And the Pharisee said, I thank you Lord that I am not as other men …
As soon as voting came in, this sort of pitch became suicidal. But some of these people are still around – and CAGW seems to particularly attract them. How many times have I seen them loftily telling me that I am a nazi-like denier, an agent of big oil (not a cent from them) or big tobacco (one of my pet hates), or a dummy who can’t see that the science is settled (they predicted the temperature stasis of the last decade of course).

Cosmos

Something that the “educated elite” never seem to remember is that education and intelligence are not the same thing.

Malcolm Miller

Grow up, you guys! Leftism is about looking after people instead of money, and it has nothing to do with whether or not we accept the warmists and alarmists version of climate. As a one-time student of geology and astrophysics I vigorously deny AGW, and support the idea that more CO2 means better food crops. As a lifelong ‘Labor Party’ voter in Australia I deplore their rather dubious support of carbon taxes as wholly destructive of our economy.

1DandyTroll

As I recall it leftists or to be more prudent and suitable for the self proclaimed geniuses of the huddled mass’ from the world of academia, yet plain and simple, god damn hippies frankly just didn’t understand that the hashish use as a focal instrument to reach once true mental potential and that’s exactly what they did they reach their true mental potential when the lot of ’em went completely and utterly mental.

DN

The other problem the hard left / pro-AGW crowd face is the fact that a lot of us on the right have PhDs too. So what? The ClimateGate fraudistas all have doctorates, and they used them as a shield against legitimate enquiry. “How dare you question us? How dare you ask for our data and methods? We’re beyond reproach! We’re SCIENTISTS, dammit!”
What about doubt? What about wonder? What about following the data where it leads, instead of following your theory and cherry-picking the data to fit? What about a little humility, for crying out loud, before the awesome, unpredictable glory of nature?
It’s not about comparing sheepskins. I work in a scientific organization and I’m surrounded by over-educated boffins incapable of actually thinking. Moreover, you don’t need to be a post-doc to understand that science is about validating or falsifying an hypothesis through experiment and observation. All due respect to the pro-AGW crowd, but I’m still waiting for one of them to demonstrate empirically a causal correlation between delta CO2 and delta T. The day somebody does is the day I’ll give the AGW thesis a second look. Furthermore, as Popper argued, an hypothesis must also explain all previous data as well as making accurate predictions about future system behaviour. So in addition to fixing the problem of T refusing to scale linerarly with CO2 concentrations over any time period (except to the extent that, according to ice core data, T seems to respond to changes in CO2 concentration), the anthropogenic climate changers have yet to explain why climate changed before there was any anthropic consumption of fossil fuels, not to mention before there were any anthropoids at all.
What do they do instead? Hold conferences where they all close their eyes, concentrate until they start to sweat, and try desperately to wish the MWP away. Presumably the Roman and Mycenaen warm periods are next. Sorry. If your thesis doesn’t fit the data, a scientist changes his thesis. A fraud changes his data.
Until these niggling little details are sorted out, non-correlation still means non-causation, and the AGW thesis will remain on the scrap-heap of history, along with alchemy, astrology, phrenology, phlogiston, and other theories that can’t explain data or make accurate predictions. From a scientific perspective, that’s really all there is to it.

John from New Zealand

Well, I have a Masters degree with 1st class honours and I can say that my studies, especially in the field of analysis, led me to see the blatant flaws in the leftist ideology. The biggest flaw of a leftie is their inability to ever admit they’re wrong, they are superior after all, so how is this possible? Their self righteousness is 2nd only to their hypocrisy, eg ‘you need to have an open mind’, or Al Gore.
Basically the left passes themselves off as honest, caring, & tolerant, but the reason they champion (exploit) the poor is purely for political power, the more poor people the bigger their voting base – they don’t help poor people they propagate them. The biggest flaw in a lefties mindset is the ability for self delusion despite all the evidence. This can best be observed in the AGW debate where, contrary to the facts, the devotees cling for dear life to their beloved theory. When backed into a corner they prefer to lash out with slander, lies, and red herrings rather than admit their superior intelligence could be wrong in any way.
In essence your average leftie is vain, self righteous, hypocritical, closed minded, self deluded, and intolerant – more so than any of the righties that I know.

H.R.

Education and intelligence are two seperate things. It’s a mistake to assume that all formally educated people are intelligent and it is another mistake to assume all people without a formal education are not intelligent.

Ed Fix

DesertYote says:
“I tend to agree that those with college degrees tend to be more Marxist then those without, just like those who sunbath tend to be darker then those who do not. ”
Do people still actually sunbathe? Out in the actual sun? Don’t they know they’ll catch cancer? Oh, the humanity!!

James Allison

Gneiss says:
October 31, 2010 at 1:14 pm
“What’s the evidence, apart from Pielke’s own political prejudices, to support assertions that accusations of ignorance and stupidity come more frequently from “self-described liberal or progressive bloggers?”
We’ve seen many, many such accusations on this blog, for instance.”
Please you asked. Why just the other day on WUWT a blogger called GM these choice titbits for readers.
I won’t even comment on the fact what is revealed about the intellect of the author by his inability to understand that the problem with CO2 is that by a long, unfortunately much longer than the ability to grasp such things that the average ignoramuses let loose on the pages of this blog possesses,….
And
We also lock up people for crimes against humanity. Simon and Lomborg are firmly in that category.
And
I am not saying that they should be jailed – they should be laughed at and ignored as the village idiots they are.

rbateman

Cap & Tax is like telling your teenager not to drive the car while you are away on vacation.
Sure, anything you say, pops. Bye, see ya, have a nice trip, don’t worry about a thing.
(Has he left yet??…)

P Walker

DesertYote – I think that college profs and universities in general tend more towards Marxism today than at the time I attended college . My oldest stepson – a recent grad – seems steeped in the stuff . Fortunately , he has a libertarian streak and enjoys the good life too much to become a true believer . Like a lot of his peers , he spouts that garbage because it sounds “cool”. Unfortunately , like a lot of his peers , he can and will do a lot of damage at the ballot box before wisdom catches up with him .
As an aside , when I was in college , I was always astounded by the disdain my more liberal profs held for the middle class . Especially when they were so middle class themselves .

Evan Jones

Well, I’m a liberal, but I am fed up to my eyeballs with what is going on.
Not having a college degree is not a big impediment to voting for elitists.
That’s what unions and ACORN are for.

You left out phonebooks, graveyards, super heroes, and comic book characters.
(However, it turns out that being on active military service is a big impediment to voting for anyone, elitist or no.)

Has the time come to question the value of most education? It seems to me that we are now seeing the Triumph of the Essay-Writers: of those who were set a certain amount of verbiage to crank out by Friday and could best sense what was required in the way of futile puffery. It’s been going on forever, you might say; but it’s only now that the Essay-Writers are becoming a governing class, unhampered by a seniority system and other such traditional limiters.
At Joanne Nova’s site today, she describes the background of the young West Australian Environment minister with the power to annihilate viable, high investment rural businesses with the stroke of a pen. If ever there was an example of essay-complete-by-late-Friday…and she’s not even from the Left!
Since most of what we do is governed by commonsense and experience, there’s a real danger that education will only work to short-circuit the natural judgment of the educated, while enhancing their natural vanity. More and more, the educated see facile equivalence and sequence in matters that are far too fluid and complex. One might say that this literal-minded and compulsively abstract approach is already apparent in the evolution of so much mock-science appealing to the envies, spites and frustrations of the Left: Marxist Dialectic, Derridanism, the Gaia Hypothesis…
Oh, and climate modelling, of course.

JPeden

Gneiss says:
October 31, 2010 at 1:14 pm
What’s the evidence, apart from Pielke’s own political prejudices, to support assertions that accusations of ignorance and stupidity come more frequently from “self-described liberal or progressive bloggers?”
Right, I’d say it boils down to being more like the Progressive’s only response, or at least it’s the response which defines the “quality” allegedly validating Post Normal Science’s CO2CAGW Method – the “you’re stupid, we’re smart” PNS definitional*: ~”You inferiors can’t possibly see that real Science with its Scientific Method just can’t handle the [alleged by virtue of the same ‘qualilty’] CO2CAGW problem, nor likewise that we self-annointed Intellectual Superiors don’t have to use the Scientific Method. ”
*which in turn is a form of the definitional argument that, “The Monkeys know it’s true because they always say it’s true.” – Mogli, The Jungle Book Movie.

Ed Fix

Malcolm Miller says:
“Leftism is about looking after people instead of money”
Well, Malcolm, that’s certainly the leftists’ conceit. However, acting out of good intentions feels so good, that leftists tend to believe their own preferred solution to a problem is the only solution, and will demonize anyone anyone who disagrees. Righteous wrath is such a seductive emotion. And they tend to blind themselves to the disastrous consequences of their actions.
Meanwhile, “rightists” give tremendously more actual money and time to helping others.

Chris Fay

As Prof Lindzen says: ‘Ordinary people see through man-made climate fears — but educated people are very vulnerable’

Peter Sørensen

Well from my viewpoint in Denmark some of the candidates from the Tea party movement are amazingly ignorant and stupid. One of the candidates just claimed that Denmark has “panels” deciding on who is valuable enough to recive treatment in the health care system that is just som amzingly stupid that …. well im at a loss for words. Or how about Palin claiming that she knows a lot about russia because she’s seen russia across the Bering strait……..
REPLY: Your viewpoint on stupidity from Denmark needs a spelling and punctuation checker. – A

sharper00

Or buy his book:
Will his book tell me why Creationism/Intelligent Design/”Teach the Controversy” proponents tend to run as Republicans?
@Gneiss
“What’s the evidence, apart from Pielke’s own political prejudices, to support assertions that accusations of ignorance and stupidity come more frequently from “self-described liberal or progressive bloggers?”
This seems like the critical question and I don’t see any answer to it either in the post or the comments. This post seems like a lump of “red meat” for people opposed either to climate science, “leftism” or both to chew on but it lacks substance and coherence.

Richard Sharpe

http://trollphysics.tumblr.com/post/1223790818
I must suggest that they do one on Global warming.

Anders L.

So, Pielke first proclaims that the only intelligent people are the ones with a college degree? And then claims that the other side is the one with elitist views? Fascinating.

Frank K.

Just say you want to talk about partial differential equations, numerical methods, or climate code documentation, and they’ll all go running for the tall grass…

Sean2829

To Paul Coppin on the Dunning Kruger effect. My old roommate, a dog lover and very smart guy (PhD solid state physics), put this much more simply. He said he and his dog have equal intelligence. However, since he didn’t really believe in his heart that the dog was that smart, it gave the dog operational advantage.