An Open Letter to Dr. Michael Mann

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Dear Dr. Mann:

I just read your piece in the Washington Post.

First, let me say that I disagree entirely with Cuccinelli’s legalistic approach. It doesn’t seem like the right way to achieve the desired result, that of shining the merciless light of publicity on your actions.

Figure 1. The Merciless Light of Publicity

On the other hand, your opinion piece published in the Washington Post contains a number of omissions, misrepresentations, exaggerations, and misstatements of fact.

[As a digression, for those who don’t know who Dr. Michael Mann is, he is the man who wrote the paper that established the “Hockey Stick” as the icon of misguided climate science. He then used his position on the IPCC to promote his own work, and suppressed contrary views. In one swipe he threw out all evidence that there were warmer periods in the past. No Medieval Warm Period. No Little Ice Age. Here’s that famous and most bogus of graphs, which has been reproduced hundreds of thousands of times …

Figure 2. The “Hockeystick” graph.

Unfortunately, his math was wrong, and the method he used mines for “hockey stick” shapes and will pull them out of random data, so the graph turned out to be both meaningless and totally misleading. End of digression]

So without further ado, Dr. Mann, here are my comments on your opinion piece. I have put your entire article from the Washington Post, without deletions, in bold italic.

Get the anti-science bent out of politics

As a scientist, I shouldn’t have a stake in the upcoming midterm elections, but unfortunately, it seems that I — and indeed all my fellow climate scientists — do.

If this is a surprise to you, it should not be, and not just for climate scientists. Cast your mind back President Eisenhower’s farewell speech in 1960, wherein he said (emphasis mine):

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

You are funded by the government, and are a salaried member of that scientific-technological elite that Eisenhower warned us about. Why on earth would you think that you would not have a stake in the election? The problem is the opposite – you have far too large a stake in the election, since climate science funding comes solely because the government is willing to back your ideas. As a result, a change in administrations might dry up your funding. You have a huge stake in the elections, and it is curious you want to claim otherwise. You are fighting like mad to keep the funding coming, so don’t pretend that you “shouldn’t have a stake” in the elections.

And regarding the elections, you have a huge political problem. Your science is so shabby and weak, and your claims are so apocalyptic, shrill, and far-fetched, that the people are no longer buying your line of patter. Climate change is at the very bottom of things that the electorate thinks are important … which seems to drive you guys nuts. Because of this, you and other climate scientists like Jim Hansen have become political activists, fighting like crazy to make sure the right people are elected to keep the money spigots turned wide open … just like Eisenhower warned.

So please, spare us the vapors about scientists having a stake in politics. You are in it up to your ears.

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) has threatened that, if he becomes chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, he will launch what would be a hostile investigation of climate science. The focus would be on e-mails stolen from scientists at the University of East Anglia in Britain last fall that climate-change deniers have falsely claimed demonstrate wrongdoing by scientists, including me. Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) may do the same if he takes over a committee on climate change and energy security.

Deniers? Anyone who is still using that emotion-laden, infantile term is deliberately being antagonistic. In any case, we have very real reasons to suspect you of wrongdoing. You don’t exactly show so well in things like the Climategate emails … see below.

My employer, Penn State University, exonerated me after a thorough investigation of my e-mails in the East Anglia archive. Five independent investigations in Britain and the United States, and a thorough recent review by the Environmental Protection Agency, also have cleared the scientists of accusations of impropriety.

Forgive my bluntness, but that is absolute hogwash. Hand-picked groups of your myopic friends have gotten together, consulted the auguries, studiously looked away, and declared you and Phil and Gene and the rest to be pure as the driven snow. But not one of the “thorough investigations” has spoken to one single person other than you and your friends and supporters. How thorough is a “thorough investigation” that only interviews your friends? “Exonerated”? Don’t make me laugh. You haven’t even been investigated, much less exonerated.

Nonetheless, Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is investigating my previous employer, the University of Virginia, based on the stolen e-mails. A judge rejected his initial subpoena, finding that Cuccinelli had failed to provide objective evidence of wrongdoing. Undeterred, Cuccinelli appealed the decision to the Virginia Supreme Court and this week issued a new civil subpoena.

What could Issa, Sensenbrenner and Cuccinelli possibly think they might uncover now, a year after the e-mails were published?

Well, they might uncover the truth contained in the emails that haven’t been published. For example, you stand accused of conspiring to delete emails that showed you and your friends trying to prevent IPCC Review Comments from being made public.

Did you delete those emails? We may never know, since your good buddies in the “thorough investigation” DIDN’T EVEN LOOK TO SEE IF THE ACCUSATION WAS TRUE. They never looked through either your emails, or the CRU emails, to see if you had deleted emails as you were asked to do by Phil Jones. They never looked for your answer to Gene.

As you may not want to recall, in the Climategate emails, Phil wrote to you about the AR4 review emails, as follows:

Phil Jones wrote:

Mike,

Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.

Can you also email Gene [Wahl] and get him to do the same?  I don’t have his new email address.

We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.

I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!

Cheers

Phil

Those emails, Dr. Mann, were the subject of a Freedom of Information Act request. You replied:

Hi Phil,

laughable that CA would claim to have discovered the problem. They would have run off to the Wall Street Journal for an exclusive were that to have been true.

I’ll contact Gene [Wahl] about this ASAP. His new email is: xxxx@yahoo.com

talk to you later,

mike

Now you may have a reasonable innocuous explanation for that interchange. I don’t see one. I see Phil advising you to break the law and delete emails that were the subject of an FOI request, and you saying “I’ll contact Gene about this ASAP”. When your friends were doing their “thorough investigation”, it is curious that they NEVER ASKED TO SEE the other emails in the chain. Like for example the email you said you would send to Gene to tell him to delete the emails. Did you send it?

And did you delete your emails? The “thorough investigation” never investigated that either, they didn’t even try to answer that important question.

So please don’t give us your sanctimonious posing as though you were shown to be innocent. The “thorough investigations” run by your friends have not determined your innocence, or the lack thereof – since they haven’t even tried to look at the evidence, how could they determine anything? So the jury is still out on the question.

But the facts we do have do not look good for you in the slightest.

If you had any actual evidence that you were innocent, I’m sure you would have given it to the investigators … funny how none of the five investigations have come up with a single fact or email or document to exonerate you in this question. As far as we know, you didn’t write back to Phil later and say something like “I can’t delete emails, that would be unethical and possibly illegal”. You wrote back to say that you would pass on the email deletion order to Gene … and you want us to believe that your hands are clean? Sorry, my friend, I’m like the Red Queen, I can believe six impossible things before breakfast, but that one is just too big to swallow.

The truth is that they don’t expect to uncover anything. Instead, they want to continue a 20-year assault on climate research, questioning basic science and promoting doubt where there is none.

The truth is, your objections have nothing to do with climate research. You are simply worried what an inquiry might find out, otherwise the idea of an investigation wouldn’t bother you a bit. But since all the indications are that you and others conspired to subvert the IPCC process , and then conspired (as shown in the Climategate emails) to cover it up, I can understand your all-pervading unease …

Cuccinelli, in fact, rests his case largely on discredited claims that Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) made during hearings in 2005 at which he attacked me and my fellow researchers. Then-Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.) had the courage and character to challenge Barton’s attacks. We need more political leaders like him today.

Discredited claims? A bit more specificity would go a long way here, although I don’t expect it of you. What claims were “discredited”? As a close observer at the time, I did not see that a single claim against you was “discredited”. Quite the opposite, several of your claims were discredited, and McIntyre’s claims were totally upheld.

We have lived through the pseudo-science that questioned the link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer, and the false claims questioning the science of acid rain and the hole in the ozone layer. The same dynamics and many of the same players are still hard at work, questioning the reality of climate change.

I’m not sure what your point is here. You seem to be saying that there have been false claims made by shady scientists in the past, and so that makes you right. How does that work again?

The basic physics and chemistry of how carbon dioxide and other human-produced greenhouse gases trap heat in the lower atmosphere have been understood for nearly two centuries. Overloading the atmosphere with carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels is heating the planet, shrinking the Arctic ice cap, melting glaciers and raising sea levels. It is leading to more widespread drought, more frequent heat waves and more powerful hurricanes. Even without my work, or that of the entire sub-field of studying past climates, scientists are in broad agreement on the reality of these changes and their near-certain link to human activity.

Scientists are in broad agreement that the earth has been slowly warming for about three centuries. We don’t know why, which should give us a clue about the depth of our understanding of the climate.

More to the point, there is no agreement about such basic, rudimentary, fundamental, all-important questions as the sign and size of the cloud feedbacks. A change of 2% in cloud cover would wipe out any CO2 effect. Since we don’t understand the clouds, that most basic and critically important part of climate science, the idea that we understand why the earth is currently warming, or the idea that we can forecast climate a hundred years in advance, is hubris of the first order. We don’t know why it warmed in Medieval times. We don’t know why it warmed in Roman times. We don’t know why it has warmed since the “Little Ice Age”. We don’t understand the climate, and you folks’ claims that you do understand it well enough to make century-long forecasts just makes rational, reasonable people point and laugh.

Burying our heads in the sand would leave future generations at the mercy of potentially dangerous changes in our climate. The only sure way to mitigate these threats is to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions dramatically over the next few decades. But even if we don’t reduce emissions, the reality of adapting to climate change will require responses from government at all levels.

And you know this how? You guys have got some serious coconuts, to think that you can predict what kind of “potentially dangerous changes in our climate” will be the lot of people living a hundred years from now. Let me say it again. There is no agreement on the SIGN, much less the size, of cloud feedback. And if you don’t understand cloud feedback, you don’t understand the climate well enough to forecast it for a decade, much less for a century.

Next, you say “even if we don’t reduce emissions” as though there is a cost-effective way to reduce temperature through emission cuts. The Kyoto Protocol (if its adherents had been able to fulfill their targets, which they didn’t) was estimated by its proponents to have the potential to cool the earth by six hundredths of a degree by 2050. The EPA just estimated that their current plan of regulating CO2 as a “dangerous pollutant” will cool the earth by somewhere around three hundredths of a degree by 2030. Those are the estimates of the proponents of the plans, opponents say less.

So you are pushing us to spend billions and billions of dollars and radically reshaping the global economy, and all for a trivial, unmeasurably small reward of a few hundredths of a degree … and then you think people who are against your cockamamie ideas are “anti-science”??? Where is the science in spending billions and billions of dollars for a possible, not guaranteed but only possible, temperature reduction so small we can’t even detect it? That’s so dumb and so far from science that I can’t begin to characterize it.

Challenges to policy proposals for how to deal with this problem should be welcome — indeed, a good-faith debate is essential for wise public policymaking.

But the attacks against the science must stop. They are not good-faith questioning of scientific research. They are anti-science.

The questions that you have been asked from the beginning have been the most fundamental of good-faith questions. We simply asked you to show us your data and your work. We requested you to abide by the most bozo requirements of the scientific method. Show us your data, show us your work, the same thing my high school science teacher taught me.

But no, in February of ’05 you went to the Wall Street Journal to make the extraordinary claim:

Giving them [McIntyre and McKitrick] the algorithm would be giving in to the intimidation tactics that these people are engaged in

For you to claim that such basic scientific questions were not in good faith, for you to say that merely (and politely) asking you to show your work is “intimidation”, is the opposite of science. For you to refuse to respond to those requests stops science in its tracks. We just wanted to see how you had come up with such an unusual and unexpected result as your total eradication of the Medieval Warm Period from the landscape. (It turned out that when you were finally forced to reveal your methods, your novel result could be seen to came from a stupid mathematical error combined with using bristlecone pines, known to be an invalid temperature proxy. That made your work meaningless and misleading … but I digress.)

How can I assure young researchers in climate science that if they make a breakthrough in our understanding about how human activity is altering our climate that they, too, will not be dragged through a show trial at a congressional hearing?

How can you assure them? It’s very simple. Dr. Mann, do you think you were picked at random to testify at a Congressional hearing? If you want to assure young researchers that they will not be dragged in front of Congress, tell them not to do the things you have done.

Tell them not to hide adverse results in a folder marked “BACKTO_1400-CENSORED“. Tell them not to make stupid mathematical mistakes and then refuse to show their work. Tell them not to hang around with people who delete emails that are the subject of a Freedom of Information act. Tell them not to subvert the IPCC process to advance their point of view.

And above all, tell them to be open about their data and their work. Why is it so hard for you to understand and practice this most basic of scientific tenets, total transparency and openness? You got hauled before Congress, not because of your scientific views, but because you tried to con people with your bogus math and bad proxies. And when we didn’t buy it, when we asked how you got your results, you refused to explain your methods, claiming it was “intimidation” to even ask, so we should just take it on faith that you were right …

Tell your students that scientists who do those things may have to face either the consequences, or Congress, or both …

America has led the world in science for decades. It has benefited our culture, our economy and our understanding of the world.

My fellow scientists and I must be ready to stand up to blatant abuse from politicians who seek to mislead and distract the public. They are hurting American science. And their failure to accept the reality of climate change will hurt our children and grandchildren, too.

My friend, the problem is not blatant abuse from politicians. The problem is your blatant abuse of the scientific method. If you and other climate scientists stopped trying to scare us with your doomsday fantasies, if you and other climate scientists were honest and open and forthright about what we do understand and what we don’t understand, if you and other climate scientists fully disclosed your data and your methods, if you and other climate scientists stopped trying to subvert the IPCC into serving as your propaganda mouthpiece, we could have a rational discussion.

But you are like a junkie who jumps up and down and screams “Police abuse” every time the cops question him. Asking you scientific questions is not abuse, Dr. Mann, no matter how many times you try to claim it is. And your investigations are the just rewards of your own anti-scientific and unethical actions. As my momma used to say, “Scorch around, and you’ll get burnt.”

Now, if you’d care to disagree with any of the things that I have said above, I am certain that Anthony Watts would be more than happy to publish your reply. So the opportunity is yours to make your case about the math, and the bristlecones, and the IPCC AR4 review comments, and all the rest. Heck, publish your emails that show that you didn’t conspire with Wahl and Amman and Jones to delete emails regarding what you had done to subvert AR4 … I offer you the chance to set the record straight.

My conclusions? I strongly support the fullest further investigation of the Climategate scandals, and your own role in them. Not via the legal system like Cuccinelli, however. I want an independent, outside scientific/academic investigation that talks to both your friends and those who disagree with your actions and claims. I want to bring in full sunlight, and put this matter to rest. I would like to know if you did delete the emails, and if you asked your pal Gene to do the same … you know, the stuff your precious “thorough investigations” never investigated in the slightest.

And as a result, it is perfectly clear to me why you have gone to the Washington Post to complain about the possibility that people might find out exactly what you did and didn’t do. And I have to say, I sympathize with you in that regard.

Because from the looks of things, if I were you … I wouldn’t want someone bringing in the sunlight so folks could find out what went on, either.

Sincerely,

Willis Eschenbach

Independent Climate Researcher

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Ken Hall
October 11, 2010 7:33 am

thefordprefect says:
October 11, 2010 at 5:37 am
You seem to be suggesting that because we will not cut CO2 sufficiently now to make a difference it is not worth cutting CO2 at all.

If you have set a 100 tonne wagon in motion you cannot stop it instantly by standing in front of it, but apply a continuous force it will eventally stop. The global climate has been pushed – stop pushing and it will return to “stability”
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If I stood in front of a moving 100 tonne wagon, I would have as much effect on that as a fly does on the speed of my car when it hits my windscreen.
Why spend trillions of dollars over the next 30 years for the same effect (I.E. none)?
Also, you are suggesting that we should not apply any more force at all, which in the context of human CO2 emissions means that you are suggesting that we reduce our emissions to zero.
In other words, you want to LITERALLY return to the stone age. Considering that you used a computer to post your comment and therefore used electricity which was probably produced from coal, or gas, makes you a hypocrite too.

Enneagram
October 11, 2010 7:35 am

I still wonder why don’t “they” invented a more credible story to scare us, like the opposite: Global Cooling, which, by now, it would be fulfilling. It seems fantastic that they still preach and repeat the same mantras, unless driven by some esoteric revelation we don’t know. Perhaps a demonologist or an historian of demonology could explain it to us. 🙂

007
October 11, 2010 7:35 am

Mike Mann says “laughable that CA would claim to have discovered the problem. ”
The way he says this, he’s confirming that there is a ‘problem’. Wouldn’t a scientist address the problem openly? Or try to correct it? Or acknowledge it?
Yet they are obviously trying to conceal it. I would like for him to explain what is scientific about that?
How can so many people be fooled by such behavior?

John McManus
October 11, 2010 7:43 am

FOI refusalss are not primo facia anything. Any FOI requset can be turned down by the appropriate authority ( here the UEA information officer). The person who filed the FOI can ask for a hearing, an appeal etc. according to the act. This stage can result in acceptance or rejection.
The FOI case in question was not able to go ahead . This is proof of nothing except the inability of the complainant. The emails urging deniers to disrupt the work of the CRU with a flood of emails may have been deemed vexatious by the authorities and the request rejected , or not, we will never know. The primo red facia statement was withdrawn as innacurate, inappropriate and wrong.
One thing puzzles me. Why does everyone here think Mann is suject to FOI requests in England?

Atomic Hairdryer
October 11, 2010 7:45 am

Re Ken Hall

This may appear to be to complicated for you to grasp, but, what Mann et al did was illegal.

That may be a bit harsh and unproven. Replacing Mann with Jones is more fair and matches the opinion given by the UK’s ICO. Mann is a US national and isn’t bound by UK law, so didn’t necessarily act illegally in deleting emails pertinent to a UK originated FOI request, or in asking other non-UK nationals to delete their emails. If a request under US FOIA had been made simultaneously, then it could have been illegal.
But his apparent behaviour was unethecial and unscientific, but that’s been his problem from the outset and why he’s now playing the victim card. He’s had a long history of not co-operating along with his ‘peers’. They’ve dug themselves into this hole, and they’re still digging.
Other climate scientists have realised that the public importance of climate change means it needs a spirit of openness and transparency, if it’s to gain public trust. But not the Hockey Team or their fellow travellers, they’re still playing their zone defence and trying to attack anyone who dares to criticise them, as we’re seeing with the attack on Wegman. Wegman or GMU’s legal team may want to look at the UK libel laws though, as that may be one way of stopping ad hom attacks from the team.

Jenn Oates
October 11, 2010 7:45 am

This is an extremely nice takedown, I’ll be annoying many of my FB friends when I link to it this afternoon. 🙂

anna v
October 11, 2010 7:46 am

Well, as far as scientific wrong doing goes, the mail with the “hide the decline” needs no other e-mails to prove that data was cooked to order.
How can somebody call a thermometer scale something uncalibrated is hard for a physicist to comprehend. When,on top, in the main time sequence where a calibration could be carried out, i.e. after thermometers were invented and temperatures widely taken, the two curves do not agree, that glaringly means that the tree ring measures cannot be a proxy of temperature. That the group decided to “hide the decline”, i.e. the non similarity of instrumental to tree proxy assumed “temperatures”, is where they sinned against science and the scientific method.

D. King
October 11, 2010 7:49 am

Great post Willis.
“So please, spare us the vapors about scientists having a stake in politics.”
You have now tied Michael Mann back to back, with my grandmother.
I do see a link….Well, maybe not see.

lowercasefred
October 11, 2010 7:50 am

Theo Goodwin says:
October 11, 2010 at 5:21 am
“Of course, people like Mann could learn a lot from farmers.”
Probably, except that he needs no lessons in shoveling manure.

GregO
October 11, 2010 7:57 am

Willis,
Your post is just excellent. Thanks to you for taking your valuable time to make a point-by-point rebuttal of that silly puff piece by Dr Mann published by WaPo . I am encouraged by the number of skeptical comments it attracted and have participated myself in suggesting WaPo publish Dr Hal Lewis’ resignation letter from the American Physical Society as a rebuttal/counterpoint.
It is a mystery to me why American MSM is so hesitant to investigate or question CAGW pseudo-science. Even a cursory examination reveals CAGW as lacking in evidence, lacking in logic, lacking in physical confirmation of modeled predictions, in clear and obvious violation of the scientific method; and is nothing but the weakest sort of faddish, fashionable, trend thinking. In 30-50 years no one will be able to care about CAGW with the possible exception of sociology grad students needing thesis material for “madness of crowds and popular delusion” papers.
Slowly but surely the truth is emerging, despite the decades of officially sponsored brainwashing on CAGW. All those supporting it and those publishing it will be tarred by association with these false prophets that practiced a form of amoral sophistry bridging on sociopathic.
Dr Mann and his ilk refer to us skeptical of his nonsense as “deniers”. Well I have a term for his true believers: “sucker”.

DonS
October 11, 2010 8:01 am

Garry says:
October 11, 2010 at 4:54 am
Correct, Garry. Willis displays the “circle the wagons” science community response to any indication of interference from mere mortals. This is acceptable, and desirable, when science and only science is the subject, but totally unsatisfactory when government funds are paying the bills and there is may be a fraud being perpetrated on the tax paying public,
Seems nobody ever learns that when the government is involved (funding), the politicians are involved and the public is involved. The public can now only be satisfied about what has occurred in the Mann case by an investigation conducted by a government entity with prosecutorial authority. You take the man’s dime, you do the man’s bidding.

October 11, 2010 8:06 am

I do see a pattern emerging about climate science.
Elements of the Pattern (partial sampling, not meant to be comprehensive):

“Settled” / “consensus” scientists investigated several times (CRU / PSU / British Gov’t ) in a non-rigorous manner. Exoneration prevailed.
US congress commissioned the Wegman investigations / report. A climate scientist was not exonerated, found lacking and there was general criticism of the prevailing climate science occurred.
Some skeptical scientists critically analyzing (some say auditing) published climate science of the “settled”/”consensus” variety. Problems identified and widely spread on the blogosphere.
It is not uncommon that skeptical scientists disagree/dislike recent legal actions toward a climate scientist of the “settled”/ “consensus” variety.
Recent critical analysis toward the Wegman report by supporters of “settled” / “consensus” science.
Degrading image of AGW in global public opinion.
Bizarre video released by an ideological environmental group goes uber-viral.
A Congress much more critical of AGW “settled” / “consensus” science will be elected.
Copenhagen absolutely failed.
US congress failed.
New Zealand climate data manipulation found in legal proceedings.
IAC found IPCC lacking.
RS slightly retreating from former biased AGW view.

Pattern Recognition: AGW leadership is retreating and fighting a regard guerilla action in support of its icons and its beliefs. It is not surrendering. Nor will it.
A New Strategy: It appears that independent thinkers (a.k.a. skeptics) are strategically repositioning themselves be at the intellectual location where the AGW leadership is retreating to. Sitting there waiting. It appears that the retreating AGW leadership is preparing for a reunion with independent scientists and vice versa. I see their strategy is to save the integrity of science at all costs. Openness would be again a victim.
My concern: Science, whether of the independent or “settled” / “consensus” variety, still needs to play the politics to maneuver funding and select the topics of public science. Objectivity still is highly questionable by the government funding process and by the IPCC centralized clearinghouse situation.
My conclusion: The result of the strategy will not be an improvement, if politics remains integrally linked with the most fundamental aspects of the science. There will be the creation of a new consensus . . . . . milder at first than the previous tyrannical one . . . . at first only . . .
John

John Diffenthal
October 11, 2010 8:07 am

@Marge,
Thanks for the link to the National Academies Press for the 2001 report. You’re right, it is pretty critical of Mann … particularly in section 11 on Multi proxy reconstructions.

James Sexton
October 11, 2010 8:10 am

Tucci78 says:
October 11, 2010 at 6:51 am
John McManus had written:
“……..The [snip] either comes up with the information demanded or he gets arrested and hauled before a competent legal authority on criminal charges.
And therefore to hell with John McManus and every post he’s uttered. I strongly suggest a permanent ban.”
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Tucci, if Anthony were to ban all of the McManus’, then we wouldn’t be able to respond to such idiotic comments. Not only do they serve for a lively dialogue they also have great amusement value. Apparently, John isn’t aware that adherence to U.S. law is a compulsory requirement for U.S. citizens. Maybe in his world/country, adherence to law is optional.

October 11, 2010 8:11 am

Zombie Drowned Polar Bear had written:

Regardless of how the climate argument shakes out, AGW or no AGW, this sort of controversy backed by legitimate and sound complaints are going to result in de-accreditation of many academic research institutions in whole or in part. There is already a critical contraction planned by both parties in Congress of distribution of Federal funds for research, and this sort of needed but untimely re-evaluation of the ethical Zeitgeist of America’s on-campus scientific community no doubt will reveal the huge percentage of “cooked” degrees, bought credentials and the type of cynical wheeler-dealer activity that goes on when schools are pouncing on Federal and state funds to make of tenure a comfortable and leisurely sinecure, which is presently of a sort to make Gordon Gecko blush in shame.

In the early 20th Century era of mass armies, the officers of the federal government in these United States came to the conclusion that increasing the numbers of college graduates in the population would have a beneficial effect upon the ability of the country to wage war. In theory, a college-educated individual could be more readily trained to serve as a commissioned officer, and there is great need for junior commissioned officers.
In combat, they get killed rather more readily than do most other personnel.
Thus we got the post-World War II “G.I. Bill of Rights” to defray the costs of college educations for discharged veterans, the federal guarantees (and now, under our TelePrompTer-in-Chief, the direct federal funding) of student loans, and the flow of increasing amounts of money in the form of research grants.
All of this is undertaken upon the premise that these expenditures conduce to certain “national security” benefits. Under no other presumption could these allocations of tax monies even tenuously be considered constitutional.
This being clearly understood, the federal funds allocated under grant programs to support research conducted on anthropogenic global climate change were expended in payment for the benefit of the American public in a national defense context.
Thus the “many academic research institutions” of which Zombie had written have been – strictly speaking – defense contractors in both their educational and research functions. Every graduate (male or female, able-bodied or physically incapacitated) was considered to be a potential officer or technical support specialist, and every bit of scientific, methodological, or technological innovation conducted on the government dime was supposed to have been of potential military value.
I do not overstate the case here. The experiences of the major and minor armed conflicts of the past century and more were interpreted to an exaggerated extent by politicians and military bureaucrats to have demonstrated that their predecessors’ abilities to predict of what would and would not yield some kind of critically important advantage in war had been quite poor.
If this mindset is appreciated, it becomes possible to understand why, since the late 1940s in particular, the officers of civil government in these United States have diverted astonishing amounts of the national wealth to the country’s colleges and universities.
This policy (if as such it can be regarded) has created in American academia an intensely rent-seeking constituency which relies completely upon money extorted from the taxpayers to survive and to prosper.
I find it entirely correct that there should be “a critical contraction planned by both parties in Congress of distribution of Federal funds for research,” and would hope that it extends eventually to a complete cessation of all federal support for student loans (which is chiefly responsible for the colleges and universities having raised their tuition charges with unremitting avarice in recent decades).
Experience has by now shown that most of the research indiscriminately undertaken in these universities is in no way genuinely required for the defense of the nation, and in an era where enormous conscript armies are no longer cost-effective, the service academies more than suffice to provide the required annual influx of officers in the O-1 pay grade.
There is no “to promote the general welfare” benefit accruing from public expenditures upon such research, or – as events in the economy are presently proving – increasing the numbers of Americans with baccalaureate degrees in subject areas that simply do not qualify these college graduates to perform genuinely productive work.
How many Artium Baccalaureus people do we really need flipping burgers and filling paper cups with Pepsi?

Beth Cooper
October 11, 2010 8:15 am

I was just thinking a day or two ago that we hadn’t had one of those interesting communications from Willis Eschenbach, you know, like the Floating Islands article… when wham bam! To the point, Willis, tough but fair. The hockey team don’t play by Marquis of Queensberry rules and we need to fight back hard, but fair, like the above…

Erik
October 11, 2010 8:17 am

simpleseekeraftertruth says:
October 11, 2010 at 4:25 am
—————————————————————————————–I would suggest mann gas as the common noun as in laughing gas, swamp gas etc. but concede that there may be a more appropriate moniker: anyone?
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Manneken Gas ?? – it would go beautifully with the other one..

Ferdinand
October 11, 2010 8:19 am

Whenever I see a state employee in difficulty I always ask “Who would employ him/her in the private sector ?” Only if I can come up with a postive answer do I pay much attention to his/her statements.

ML
October 11, 2010 8:21 am

Enneagram says:
October 11, 2010 at 7:35 am
I still wonder why don’t “they” invented a more credible story to scare us, like the opposite: Global Cooling, which, by now, it would be fulfilling. It seems fantastic that they still preach and repeat the same mantras, unless driven by some esoteric revelation we don’t know. Perhaps a demonologist or an historian of demonology could explain it to us. 🙂
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There is no money to make on global cooling. What you going to tax ?………Ice 😉

RunngMoose
October 11, 2010 8:23 am

David L. says:
October 11, 2010 at 5:43 am
“Why does Mann play the victim card all the time? I’m a scientist and a big part of the job is responding to quesions, challenges to one’s work, and sometimes just blatant hostile attacks. But it’s part of the job………………………..”
Right on, David. Great post. Your experiences in this area are exactly the same as mine have been and I agree with your explanation and conclusions about Mann.

October 11, 2010 8:26 am

Nice fisking, Willis. My only comment would be an echo of a comment earlier, wrt the apparent dissonance of consistently pointing out that Man, et al, are charlatans who have been incuriously and ineffectively “investigated” by their parent institutions, yet in almost the same breath decrying the actions of the Virginia Attorney General for launching an actual investigation.
While the spectre of ham fisted political types thrashing around in the ivory towers of academia does sound horrific on its face, in this case, based in large part on the evidence that you, Anthony, and others have presented detailing ‘scientists gone wild’, and the characterization of the ‘internal’ or ‘academic friendly’ ‘investigations’ as flawed and worthless, it seems to me a bit of cognitive dissonance to call for more of the same, and decry the investigations by outside authorities with not only the legal ability, but mandate to do so as well.
It may simply be your opinion that such a baby is ugly. So be it.
But keep in mind – Al Capone wasn’t sent to jail for murder, extortion, or bootlegging.
And with the impact that the AGW clown show has had on society, coupled with the damage their antics have done to the advancement of actually understanding how spaceship earth actually functions, I have a hard time figuring out a way of admonishing them that does NOT include criminal sanction.

Dikran Marsupial
October 11, 2010 8:44 am

“Hand-picked groups of your myopic friends have gotten together, consulted the auguries, studiously looked away, and declared you and Phil and Gene and the rest to be pure as the driven snow. But not one of the “thorough investigations” has spoken to one single person other than you and your friends and supporters.”
Not true, one of the investigations was a parliamentary investigation, and it was clear that the committee included members that were openly hostile, and heard testimony from Prof. Peiser and Nigel Lawson, neither of whom can be considered “friends and supporters”. I know this as I watched the footage.

RC Saumarez
October 11, 2010 8:45 am

I want to see just one thing from the CRU and from Mann:
They show how the data they used were processed by their computer programs to acheive their published results.
Res ipsa loquitur

kadaka (KD Knoebel)
October 11, 2010 9:11 am

Amino Acids in Meteorites said on October 11, 2010 at 4:16 am:

So please, spare us the vapors about scientists having a stake in politics. You are in it up to your ears.
I think they’re in it over their heads.

That can be dangerous with regards to vaporous (gaseous) carbon dioxide as it is heavier than normal air and can settle out. Industrial workers should know to stay out of pits, especially in areas with inadequate ventilation, which should also be known by farm workers to miners to excavators. Such conditions, where CO2 concentrations build to toxic levels but also where they displace oxygen, also represent the only proven way that carbon dioxide vapors are a threat to humans.
Which is further basis for the only advice Mann really should be heeding now: “You’re already too deep in that hole. Stop digging!”

October 11, 2010 9:18 am

What cajones! Every time I see the term “climate change” I am reminded of just how slippery this subject has become. I love the way he charges skeptics and opponents with being “deniers of change” when most I know of are denying AGW, not climate change.

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