An Open Letter to Dr. Michael Mann

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Dear Dr. Mann:

I just read your piece in the Washington Post.

First, let me say that I disagree entirely with Cuccinelli’s legalistic approach. It doesn’t seem like the right way to achieve the desired result, that of shining the merciless light of publicity on your actions.

Figure 1. The Merciless Light of Publicity

On the other hand, your opinion piece published in the Washington Post contains a number of omissions, misrepresentations, exaggerations, and misstatements of fact.

[As a digression, for those who don’t know who Dr. Michael Mann is, he is the man who wrote the paper that established the “Hockey Stick” as the icon of misguided climate science. He then used his position on the IPCC to promote his own work, and suppressed contrary views. In one swipe he threw out all evidence that there were warmer periods in the past. No Medieval Warm Period. No Little Ice Age. Here’s that famous and most bogus of graphs, which has been reproduced hundreds of thousands of times …

Figure 2. The “Hockeystick” graph.

Unfortunately, his math was wrong, and the method he used mines for “hockey stick” shapes and will pull them out of random data, so the graph turned out to be both meaningless and totally misleading. End of digression]

So without further ado, Dr. Mann, here are my comments on your opinion piece. I have put your entire article from the Washington Post, without deletions, in bold italic.

Get the anti-science bent out of politics

As a scientist, I shouldn’t have a stake in the upcoming midterm elections, but unfortunately, it seems that I — and indeed all my fellow climate scientists — do.

If this is a surprise to you, it should not be, and not just for climate scientists. Cast your mind back President Eisenhower’s farewell speech in 1960, wherein he said (emphasis mine):

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

You are funded by the government, and are a salaried member of that scientific-technological elite that Eisenhower warned us about. Why on earth would you think that you would not have a stake in the election? The problem is the opposite – you have far too large a stake in the election, since climate science funding comes solely because the government is willing to back your ideas. As a result, a change in administrations might dry up your funding. You have a huge stake in the elections, and it is curious you want to claim otherwise. You are fighting like mad to keep the funding coming, so don’t pretend that you “shouldn’t have a stake” in the elections.

And regarding the elections, you have a huge political problem. Your science is so shabby and weak, and your claims are so apocalyptic, shrill, and far-fetched, that the people are no longer buying your line of patter. Climate change is at the very bottom of things that the electorate thinks are important … which seems to drive you guys nuts. Because of this, you and other climate scientists like Jim Hansen have become political activists, fighting like crazy to make sure the right people are elected to keep the money spigots turned wide open … just like Eisenhower warned.

So please, spare us the vapors about scientists having a stake in politics. You are in it up to your ears.

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) has threatened that, if he becomes chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, he will launch what would be a hostile investigation of climate science. The focus would be on e-mails stolen from scientists at the University of East Anglia in Britain last fall that climate-change deniers have falsely claimed demonstrate wrongdoing by scientists, including me. Rep. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.) may do the same if he takes over a committee on climate change and energy security.

Deniers? Anyone who is still using that emotion-laden, infantile term is deliberately being antagonistic. In any case, we have very real reasons to suspect you of wrongdoing. You don’t exactly show so well in things like the Climategate emails … see below.

My employer, Penn State University, exonerated me after a thorough investigation of my e-mails in the East Anglia archive. Five independent investigations in Britain and the United States, and a thorough recent review by the Environmental Protection Agency, also have cleared the scientists of accusations of impropriety.

Forgive my bluntness, but that is absolute hogwash. Hand-picked groups of your myopic friends have gotten together, consulted the auguries, studiously looked away, and declared you and Phil and Gene and the rest to be pure as the driven snow. But not one of the “thorough investigations” has spoken to one single person other than you and your friends and supporters. How thorough is a “thorough investigation” that only interviews your friends? “Exonerated”? Don’t make me laugh. You haven’t even been investigated, much less exonerated.

Nonetheless, Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli is investigating my previous employer, the University of Virginia, based on the stolen e-mails. A judge rejected his initial subpoena, finding that Cuccinelli had failed to provide objective evidence of wrongdoing. Undeterred, Cuccinelli appealed the decision to the Virginia Supreme Court and this week issued a new civil subpoena.

What could Issa, Sensenbrenner and Cuccinelli possibly think they might uncover now, a year after the e-mails were published?

Well, they might uncover the truth contained in the emails that haven’t been published. For example, you stand accused of conspiring to delete emails that showed you and your friends trying to prevent IPCC Review Comments from being made public.

Did you delete those emails? We may never know, since your good buddies in the “thorough investigation” DIDN’T EVEN LOOK TO SEE IF THE ACCUSATION WAS TRUE. They never looked through either your emails, or the CRU emails, to see if you had deleted emails as you were asked to do by Phil Jones. They never looked for your answer to Gene.

As you may not want to recall, in the Climategate emails, Phil wrote to you about the AR4 review emails, as follows:

Phil Jones wrote:

Mike,

Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.

Can you also email Gene [Wahl] and get him to do the same?  I don’t have his new email address.

We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.

I see that CA claim they discovered the 1945 problem in the Nature paper!!

Cheers

Phil

Those emails, Dr. Mann, were the subject of a Freedom of Information Act request. You replied:

Hi Phil,

laughable that CA would claim to have discovered the problem. They would have run off to the Wall Street Journal for an exclusive were that to have been true.

I’ll contact Gene [Wahl] about this ASAP. His new email is: xxxx@yahoo.com

talk to you later,

mike

Now you may have a reasonable innocuous explanation for that interchange. I don’t see one. I see Phil advising you to break the law and delete emails that were the subject of an FOI request, and you saying “I’ll contact Gene about this ASAP”. When your friends were doing their “thorough investigation”, it is curious that they NEVER ASKED TO SEE the other emails in the chain. Like for example the email you said you would send to Gene to tell him to delete the emails. Did you send it?

And did you delete your emails? The “thorough investigation” never investigated that either, they didn’t even try to answer that important question.

So please don’t give us your sanctimonious posing as though you were shown to be innocent. The “thorough investigations” run by your friends have not determined your innocence, or the lack thereof – since they haven’t even tried to look at the evidence, how could they determine anything? So the jury is still out on the question.

But the facts we do have do not look good for you in the slightest.

If you had any actual evidence that you were innocent, I’m sure you would have given it to the investigators … funny how none of the five investigations have come up with a single fact or email or document to exonerate you in this question. As far as we know, you didn’t write back to Phil later and say something like “I can’t delete emails, that would be unethical and possibly illegal”. You wrote back to say that you would pass on the email deletion order to Gene … and you want us to believe that your hands are clean? Sorry, my friend, I’m like the Red Queen, I can believe six impossible things before breakfast, but that one is just too big to swallow.

The truth is that they don’t expect to uncover anything. Instead, they want to continue a 20-year assault on climate research, questioning basic science and promoting doubt where there is none.

The truth is, your objections have nothing to do with climate research. You are simply worried what an inquiry might find out, otherwise the idea of an investigation wouldn’t bother you a bit. But since all the indications are that you and others conspired to subvert the IPCC process , and then conspired (as shown in the Climategate emails) to cover it up, I can understand your all-pervading unease …

Cuccinelli, in fact, rests his case largely on discredited claims that Rep. Joe Barton (R-Tex.) made during hearings in 2005 at which he attacked me and my fellow researchers. Then-Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R-N.Y.) had the courage and character to challenge Barton’s attacks. We need more political leaders like him today.

Discredited claims? A bit more specificity would go a long way here, although I don’t expect it of you. What claims were “discredited”? As a close observer at the time, I did not see that a single claim against you was “discredited”. Quite the opposite, several of your claims were discredited, and McIntyre’s claims were totally upheld.

We have lived through the pseudo-science that questioned the link between smoking cigarettes and lung cancer, and the false claims questioning the science of acid rain and the hole in the ozone layer. The same dynamics and many of the same players are still hard at work, questioning the reality of climate change.

I’m not sure what your point is here. You seem to be saying that there have been false claims made by shady scientists in the past, and so that makes you right. How does that work again?

The basic physics and chemistry of how carbon dioxide and other human-produced greenhouse gases trap heat in the lower atmosphere have been understood for nearly two centuries. Overloading the atmosphere with carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels is heating the planet, shrinking the Arctic ice cap, melting glaciers and raising sea levels. It is leading to more widespread drought, more frequent heat waves and more powerful hurricanes. Even without my work, or that of the entire sub-field of studying past climates, scientists are in broad agreement on the reality of these changes and their near-certain link to human activity.

Scientists are in broad agreement that the earth has been slowly warming for about three centuries. We don’t know why, which should give us a clue about the depth of our understanding of the climate.

More to the point, there is no agreement about such basic, rudimentary, fundamental, all-important questions as the sign and size of the cloud feedbacks. A change of 2% in cloud cover would wipe out any CO2 effect. Since we don’t understand the clouds, that most basic and critically important part of climate science, the idea that we understand why the earth is currently warming, or the idea that we can forecast climate a hundred years in advance, is hubris of the first order. We don’t know why it warmed in Medieval times. We don’t know why it warmed in Roman times. We don’t know why it has warmed since the “Little Ice Age”. We don’t understand the climate, and you folks’ claims that you do understand it well enough to make century-long forecasts just makes rational, reasonable people point and laugh.

Burying our heads in the sand would leave future generations at the mercy of potentially dangerous changes in our climate. The only sure way to mitigate these threats is to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions dramatically over the next few decades. But even if we don’t reduce emissions, the reality of adapting to climate change will require responses from government at all levels.

And you know this how? You guys have got some serious coconuts, to think that you can predict what kind of “potentially dangerous changes in our climate” will be the lot of people living a hundred years from now. Let me say it again. There is no agreement on the SIGN, much less the size, of cloud feedback. And if you don’t understand cloud feedback, you don’t understand the climate well enough to forecast it for a decade, much less for a century.

Next, you say “even if we don’t reduce emissions” as though there is a cost-effective way to reduce temperature through emission cuts. The Kyoto Protocol (if its adherents had been able to fulfill their targets, which they didn’t) was estimated by its proponents to have the potential to cool the earth by six hundredths of a degree by 2050. The EPA just estimated that their current plan of regulating CO2 as a “dangerous pollutant” will cool the earth by somewhere around three hundredths of a degree by 2030. Those are the estimates of the proponents of the plans, opponents say less.

So you are pushing us to spend billions and billions of dollars and radically reshaping the global economy, and all for a trivial, unmeasurably small reward of a few hundredths of a degree … and then you think people who are against your cockamamie ideas are “anti-science”??? Where is the science in spending billions and billions of dollars for a possible, not guaranteed but only possible, temperature reduction so small we can’t even detect it? That’s so dumb and so far from science that I can’t begin to characterize it.

Challenges to policy proposals for how to deal with this problem should be welcome — indeed, a good-faith debate is essential for wise public policymaking.

But the attacks against the science must stop. They are not good-faith questioning of scientific research. They are anti-science.

The questions that you have been asked from the beginning have been the most fundamental of good-faith questions. We simply asked you to show us your data and your work. We requested you to abide by the most bozo requirements of the scientific method. Show us your data, show us your work, the same thing my high school science teacher taught me.

But no, in February of ’05 you went to the Wall Street Journal to make the extraordinary claim:

Giving them [McIntyre and McKitrick] the algorithm would be giving in to the intimidation tactics that these people are engaged in

For you to claim that such basic scientific questions were not in good faith, for you to say that merely (and politely) asking you to show your work is “intimidation”, is the opposite of science. For you to refuse to respond to those requests stops science in its tracks. We just wanted to see how you had come up with such an unusual and unexpected result as your total eradication of the Medieval Warm Period from the landscape. (It turned out that when you were finally forced to reveal your methods, your novel result could be seen to came from a stupid mathematical error combined with using bristlecone pines, known to be an invalid temperature proxy. That made your work meaningless and misleading … but I digress.)

How can I assure young researchers in climate science that if they make a breakthrough in our understanding about how human activity is altering our climate that they, too, will not be dragged through a show trial at a congressional hearing?

How can you assure them? It’s very simple. Dr. Mann, do you think you were picked at random to testify at a Congressional hearing? If you want to assure young researchers that they will not be dragged in front of Congress, tell them not to do the things you have done.

Tell them not to hide adverse results in a folder marked “BACKTO_1400-CENSORED“. Tell them not to make stupid mathematical mistakes and then refuse to show their work. Tell them not to hang around with people who delete emails that are the subject of a Freedom of Information act. Tell them not to subvert the IPCC process to advance their point of view.

And above all, tell them to be open about their data and their work. Why is it so hard for you to understand and practice this most basic of scientific tenets, total transparency and openness? You got hauled before Congress, not because of your scientific views, but because you tried to con people with your bogus math and bad proxies. And when we didn’t buy it, when we asked how you got your results, you refused to explain your methods, claiming it was “intimidation” to even ask, so we should just take it on faith that you were right …

Tell your students that scientists who do those things may have to face either the consequences, or Congress, or both …

America has led the world in science for decades. It has benefited our culture, our economy and our understanding of the world.

My fellow scientists and I must be ready to stand up to blatant abuse from politicians who seek to mislead and distract the public. They are hurting American science. And their failure to accept the reality of climate change will hurt our children and grandchildren, too.

My friend, the problem is not blatant abuse from politicians. The problem is your blatant abuse of the scientific method. If you and other climate scientists stopped trying to scare us with your doomsday fantasies, if you and other climate scientists were honest and open and forthright about what we do understand and what we don’t understand, if you and other climate scientists fully disclosed your data and your methods, if you and other climate scientists stopped trying to subvert the IPCC into serving as your propaganda mouthpiece, we could have a rational discussion.

But you are like a junkie who jumps up and down and screams “Police abuse” every time the cops question him. Asking you scientific questions is not abuse, Dr. Mann, no matter how many times you try to claim it is. And your investigations are the just rewards of your own anti-scientific and unethical actions. As my momma used to say, “Scorch around, and you’ll get burnt.”

Now, if you’d care to disagree with any of the things that I have said above, I am certain that Anthony Watts would be more than happy to publish your reply. So the opportunity is yours to make your case about the math, and the bristlecones, and the IPCC AR4 review comments, and all the rest. Heck, publish your emails that show that you didn’t conspire with Wahl and Amman and Jones to delete emails regarding what you had done to subvert AR4 … I offer you the chance to set the record straight.

My conclusions? I strongly support the fullest further investigation of the Climategate scandals, and your own role in them. Not via the legal system like Cuccinelli, however. I want an independent, outside scientific/academic investigation that talks to both your friends and those who disagree with your actions and claims. I want to bring in full sunlight, and put this matter to rest. I would like to know if you did delete the emails, and if you asked your pal Gene to do the same … you know, the stuff your precious “thorough investigations” never investigated in the slightest.

And as a result, it is perfectly clear to me why you have gone to the Washington Post to complain about the possibility that people might find out exactly what you did and didn’t do. And I have to say, I sympathize with you in that regard.

Because from the looks of things, if I were you … I wouldn’t want someone bringing in the sunlight so folks could find out what went on, either.

Sincerely,

Willis Eschenbach

Independent Climate Researcher

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steven
October 11, 2010 5:08 am

“My employer, Penn State University, exonerated me after a thorough investigation of my e-mails in the East Anglia archive.”
It is unclear to me why there is a problem then. The information has obviously been gathered and all that needs to be done is to send it over in order to put this matter at rest. It seems that full disclosure clearly showing the innocence of the parties involved would be the best course of action to prevent congressional hearings. If there are unprofessional remarks in the emails and this is the only reason for not wanting their release then it is just a life’s lesson: you are at work, be professional.

Theo Goodwin
October 11, 2010 5:12 am

Wonderful post. Thanks so much for your excellent work. If Mann wants to see himself from the point of view of science, he should write an op-ed to Scientific Method. I doubt that he knows the address or anyone who does.

John Murray
October 11, 2010 5:13 am

Mr Eschenbach,
You said :-“First, let me say that I disagree entirely with Cuccinelli’s legalistic approach. It doesn’t seem like the right way to achieve the desired result, that of shining the merciless light of publicity on your actions.”
I have read several articles where the authors have expressed similarly a problem with the legal action being taken by the Virginia State Attorney General, but stating that they believe that there is something to investigate. I wish to point out that the Scientific Establishment has had a number of years to clean house and have failed to do so to date, and so the action of Mr Cuccinelli would seem to be more than proper in the light of the non-investigative actions of others.

October 11, 2010 5:13 am

Amino Acids in Meteorites writes: “I think they’re in it over their heads.
Aw, c’mon. They’d be “in it over their heads” were they to find themselves in the proverbial wet spot.

October 11, 2010 5:19 am

The Washington Post closed the online comments on Dr. Mann’s article a few hours ago. The warmists were getting their nates handed to ’em.
Unfortunately, there is no way in which “an independent, outside scientific/academic investigation that talks to both [Dr. Mann’s] friends and those who disagree with [Dr. Mann’s] actions and claims” could possibly be productive.
The instant Michael Mann and/or any of his “friends” went on-record as having done what they did, the legal system would come down upon them like an avalanche. At the very least we have indications of funds diverted from the public purse on the basis of of knowing misstatement of facts in grant applications, and in the line of tort law there are not only actionable cases for real but also punitive – especially punitive! – damages.
I could not possibly imagine Dr. Mann getting legal counsel about his personal conduct in the course of such “an independent, outside scientific/academic investigation” except an admonition to “Shut your festering gob and say absolutely NOTHING, you fool!

Theo Goodwin
October 11, 2010 5:21 am

JP writes:
“Big Science is now an interest group no different than Big Dairy, Big Drug, or Big Oil.”
Yep. Makes me tear up. Well, something had to bring an end to the growth of “higher education.” Of course, people like Mann could learn a lot from farmers.

October 11, 2010 5:21 am

John McManus says:
“When I read all the emais in question, I was left wondering what all the fuss was about. About a thousand emails from a period of years were distributed. Such a tiny number of emails means that most of the communication was missing.”
How right you are. So let’s see all the emails. They were, after all, a work product funded by taxpayers. Being reasonable people, we can then decide if Michael Mann engaged in scientific misconduct.
“Through the many enquiries that have universally exonerated Johnes [sic], Mann et al from these fabricated charges, email archives were requested, produced and read. ”
I think you need to get up to speed on which carefully selected emails were “requested, produced and read.”
It bears repeating that any investigation is *bogus* if it does not allow for the calling and cross examining of opposing witnesses and the subpoenaing of relevant documents.
Every “investigation” of Michael Mann has been a staged whitewash. When opposing witnesses testify, and when all emails, relevant documents, data, methodologies and metadata are produced, and when cross examination under oath is the standard, then the truth will come out.
But until that happens, Mann can not claim to be “exonerated.” Instead, he has been protected – and the truth of the matter remains hidden. Why would you, or anyone else, want the truth to remain classified as Top Secret by those setting the agenda?

Chuck
October 11, 2010 5:23 am

Are we back to this guy?
Give him a snow shovel and send him over to the university president’s home and put him on standby.

October 11, 2010 5:26 am

Micahael Mann’s IPCC hockey stick graph is on the back cover of:
A W Montfords book – “The Hockey Stick Illusion”
HAL LEWIS, refers to it in his resignation letter……..
Hal Lewis:
“Anyone who has the faintest doubt that this is so should force himself to read the ClimateGate documents, which lay it bare. (Montford’s book organizes the facts very well.) ”
A W Montford – also known as the sceptical Blogger Bishop Hill
http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2010/10/11/hsi-hits-big-time.html
BH: “The Hockey Stick Illusion” hits the Big Time
“The Hockey Stick Illusion seems to have hit the (comparatively) big time, spending most of yesterday between around the 5-600 mark on the Amazon chart in the USA. The root cause seems to have been Hal Lewis’s resignation letter which was picked up by Instapundit, among others.
It’s currently at number 532.
Update on Oct 11, 2010 by Bishop Hill
Now at 407!!”
————————
Put a prominent link up on Watts Up, why don’t you?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(like Climategate: The Crutape Letter, bothe authors thought they wished they had written it!!!!!!)

October 11, 2010 5:26 am

Bravo Willis.

Tony Armstrong
October 11, 2010 5:29 am

Hang on fellas, Mann is not the causal problem here; he is but a tool in the hands of politicians who see benefit in the AGW story. Global politics is where the real digging should be done. The ‘science’ is but a smokescreen. He who pays the piper…

RR Kampen
October 11, 2010 5:33 am

Still don’t know that even fencing of those hacked mails cannot provide arguments?

Stacey
October 11, 2010 5:34 am

I says to our Gav. Gav please have a word with Trickey Mickey and tell him to stop digging when he’s in a hole?

Jose Suro
October 11, 2010 5:35 am

Gee Willis! All guns blazing bright and early. I do love the smell of cordite in the morning :). Also look forward to the cries of libel and slander from Dr. Mann’s blogosphere lackeys in the coming days. Hope the good Doctor answers himself.
My own personal observations is that it seems so pitiful that Dr. Mann made the decision to jump into the Big Fish pond and now he’s crying foul; the preferred defense of the little fish. It shows a huge lack of foresight.
Welcome to the Big Fish pond Dr. Mann. Enjoy your swim!

thefordprefect
October 11, 2010 5:37 am

Willis Eschenbach says:
October 11, 2010 at 4:01 am
your 2 refs
One (epa) is talking about US only I believe. So the global change will be larger.
The other (Wigley) – the original source is not referenced – however they are all talking of a continuing reduction to the future.
You seem to be suggesting that because we will not cut CO2 sufficiently now to make a difference it is not worth cutting CO2 at all.
Surely you cannot be relying on the unknown future supplying a instant fix. Do you not see a problem with just letting things continue as they are?
If you have set a 100 tonne wagon in motion you cannot stop it instantly by standing in front of it, but apply a continuous force it will eventally stop. The global climate has been pushed – stop pushing and it will return to “stability”

Stacey
October 11, 2010 5:38 am

Sorry it was remiss of me.
Great post Mr Eschenbach. do you by any chance travel on the Clapham Omnibus?

hunter
October 11, 2010 5:39 am

I think the only thing better than the AG reviewing Mann will be a grand jury.

David, UK
October 11, 2010 5:40 am

You got hauled before Congress, not because of your scientific views, but because you tried to con people with your bogus math and bad proxies.
Let me add my thanks to you Willis. Mann and the rest of them are con artists, and you have called it like it is. I would have liked to have seen even stronger language (“fraudster” and “charlatan” come to mind) but you have summed up our case very clearly and succinctly indeed, which should illustrate to the Believers just why we feel as strongly as we do. Thank you again.

David L.
October 11, 2010 5:43 am

Why does Mann play the victim card all the time? I’m a scientist and a big part of the job is responding to quesions, challenges to one’s work, and sometimes just blatant hostile attacks. But it’s part of the job. It’s definitely part of the academic system. In graduate school people were terrified to give departmental presenations or even at group meetings. The egos came out and would sometimes question and belittle the presenter to the point of getting them upset to the point of outright crying. And then all the big egos in the audience would feel good about themselves because they proved they were the smartest in the room. But this is “normal” in academia and you just got used to it. You got all your data and theory in order because you knew you were going to get some harsh feedback. Very harsh. But you also felt like you made a great contribution when you defended yourself to all the scrutiny. So it worked both ways.
And you especially had to be prepared if your work was a big challenge to the establishment or conventional wisdom. But most academics I know actually relish a good fight, and their ego grows when they can defend their science with data and intelligence from even the most hostile criticisms. So I don’t understand this Mann character at all.
The only explanation I can muster id that he knows his science is crap but he was able to form an “old boys network” that protected him and allowed the grant money to flow. Really, if he truely was a scientist interested in the science itself, he would be fighting the criticism so normal in the academic arena and presenting the data, showing the methods, and actually enjoying the back-and-forth banter that is acadamic research. I don’t see this. What I see is a guy that wants to hide but keep having the checks showing up. Now he wants to hide from the scrutiny as there may be criminal charges as well.

David L.
October 11, 2010 5:52 am

Ken Hall says:
October 11, 2010 at 3:32 am
Michael Mann declares, “But the attacks against the science must stop.”
That is the most anti-science statement I have ever seen.
————————————————————————-
Absolutely Ken. See my post just above this one. Every legitimate scientist I’ve met knows that science will get attacked. It’s part of the system, certainly the academic system. These guys are pretty thick-skinned. I’ve seen some really hostile academic meetings that would be rare and certainly taboo in corporate America where we have to keep people’s feelings in mind. But in academia it is fully expected and encouraged to be hostile against other people’s ideas. Mann is “out to lunch” on this point. This alone proves he is not a scientist but a huckster and snake oil salesman.

sharper00
October 11, 2010 5:53 am

My reading of this is that Mr Eschenbach agrees with Dr Mann that Cuccinelli’s approach is not the correct one but vehemently disagrees with all the reasons given for why this is so.
Would it be possible for Mr Eschenbach to outline his own objections since “it doesn’t seem like the right way” is quite vague and open to interpretation.

Mike S.
October 11, 2010 5:55 am

Here is the problem with the above entry. The emails released are devoid of evidence of wrongdoing.

I see, Mr. McManus. Well, if they are “devoid of evidence of wrongdoing”, from whence, then, came the Information Commissioner’s Office’s finding that the CRU breached Section 77 of the Freedom of Information Act? The ICO report makes it clear that the reason CRU avoided prosecution only because of the act’s six-month statute of limitations – a provision the ICO says needs to be changed, since internal FOIA procedures can take that long to process, meaning by the time a requester can refer the matter to ICO it’s already too late.

starzmom
October 11, 2010 5:55 am

A lawsuit by the Attorney General of Virginia may be the wrong forum, but with the history this problem has had, it may be the only forum in which a breakthrough and thorough discovery may be had. We don’t seem to be having a lot of luck with scientific groups, and I’m not sure Congress has the will or the interest at this point.

October 11, 2010 5:56 am

J McManus,
How can the many whitewashes, sorry enquiries have been said to have exonorated Mann et al when none of them took statements or evidence from any critics, none of them looked at the science, and in a few cases the “accused” were able to set the terms of reference by recomending what questions should be asked?

Trevor
October 11, 2010 5:59 am

In reply to
John McManus says:
October 11, 2010 at 4:49 am
“Your letter calls for the conviction of someone with no evidence. How unamerican”
On the contrary, the letter calls for an independent investigation to determine guilt and IF determined guilty then conviction may follow. I personally find this the right process. Neither innocence nor guilt can be confirmed without a PROPER investigation.
“Through the many enquiries that have universally exonerated Johnes, Mann et al from these fabricated charges, email archives were requested, produced and read. They are none of my business, being private, so I don’t expect to have access but I am glad they formed part of the investigations. Knowing they were examined makes the findings of the many investigations stronger.”
First, many problems have been discussed regarding these enquiries conducted. The biggest in my opinion is that only one side of the argument was looked at as none of the well known people including such as Mr. Watts and Mr. McIntyre were ever asked any questions or allowed to participate in the enquireies. In my (once again) personal opinion this is akin to a murder trial where the accused is asked wether or not he did it and upon saying no the case is closed without the Attorney General’s office even being allowed to investigate the crime.
Second you mention how the e-mails are private and therefore none of your business. On the contrary, these e-mails are regarding projects conducted with PUBLIC funding and therefore should be (and I believe are) subject to freedom of information requests.
I’m not a climate scientist or ANY type of scientist, I’m a security guard with no degree worth discussing. HOWEVER I am a taxpayer and like to know where my tax dollars are going and also like to know if increases in everything from utitlity bills to gas prices (which then increses the cost of everything such as groceries or anything else transported by truck) due to government carbon legislation is based on fact or on faulty conjecture.