Roger Sowell: Pro and Con on California's AB32 Global Warming Law

Our commenters have been on a roll lately. Yesterday we had this excellent point-counterpoint by commenter D Patterson on the Cucinelli issue. Today commenter Roger Sowell put forth the arguments on AB32 related to the Prop 23 to repeal it, to be before California voters on November.

Roger Sowell says:

October 7, 2010 at 11:00 am

Pro-AB 32 arguments:

Pro-AB 32 factions say that all its measures are worth doing because cutting CO2 emissions will stop global warming, and global warming in California causes the sea levels to rise and flood low-lying areas, the Sierra snowpack to melt or disappear, state-wide heat waves that cause deaths and illness, and many others. They also say that AB 32 will increase jobs and the economy. The way that AB 32 will increase jobs, they say, is by the net effect of all the requirements allowing each person to have an additional $5 per week for spending, or approximately $250 per year. The additional spending will go to purchases such as coffee at coffee shops, and retail sales. The increased demand for coffee shop baristas, and retail sales clerks will result in a surge in employment.

Pro-AB 32 factions say that private investors have pumped billions into California companies who will make revolutionary new products so that emissions of evil Carbon Dioxide, CO2, will no longer be necessary in beautiful California. The products will include smart-grid systems, home-generation of electrical power via solar panels, renewable power plants to supply one-third of utility grid power, advanced cars and trucks that consume about one-third less petroleum-derived fuel, and gasoline and diesel fuels that contain renewable components such as ethanol (for gasoline) and bio-diesel (for diesel, naturally).

There are many, many other aspects of AB 32, with 73 different line items in the Scoping Plan. Changes in the way people make choices are also part of the AB 32 Scoping Plan, with a significant change being scrapping the older and less-efficient home appliances for new and highly-efficient models. These include air conditioners. Proponents say that a home’s electricity usage will decline 40 percent by installing new appliances, while the price for electricity will increase only by about 13 percent. The net effect, they say, is the consumer will have more disposable cash each month. Presumably, that extra cash will be used to pay the installment payments on all the new appliances. Similarly for the advanced cars and trucks, which will use less fuel. The reduced fuel consumed (35 mpg compared to 25) will more than offset the increased fuel cost.

Proponents developed a nifty plan to allow a homeowner to be able to afford to install solar panels on the roof. The plan involves increasing the property tax bill, with the annual increase paid to a bank or other financier who puts up all the money for the solar panels and installation. If the homeowner sells the home, the new buyer takes on the payment obligation as part of his tax bill. Presumably, the payments last for 15 to 20 years. Also, proponents argue, the solar panels add to the home’s resale value.

Proponents also say that the cap and trade portion of AB 32 will not hurt businesses and industry, because they can actually make money if they just cooperate. Proponents maintain that a carbon credit will be worth $30, $50, even $100 per ton of CO2, so that if the business owners simply cut their CO2 emissions to a point below their government-mandated cap, they can sell the credits to others, thus enjoying a new revenue stream that will allow their business to grow and prosper. The idea is that one can either be a seller of these credits and prosper, or a buyer of these credits and not prosper.

There are many other pro-AB 32 arguments, such as more jobs created for solar panel installers, more construction jobs for renewable power plants, and the long-distance transmission lines to bring the power to the people, and factory jobs to fabricate solar panels and the smart grid components.

Anti-AB 32 arguments:

Implementing AB 32 will kill California by eliminating millions of jobs, causing massive bankruptcies, closing millions of small businesses and major corporations, and will do nothing to change the Earth’s climate.

As more and more scrutiny is applied to the world-wide climate scientists’ data, methods, peer-review system, and agenda, it is apparent that there is no cause for alarm over CO2 emissions, or any other so-called greenhouse gas emissions. The entire basis for CO2 causing the Earth to warm catastrophically is false. There are cities in California that show a pronounced cooling even while CO2 continues to rise – Eureka, Los Angeles, San Diego, and Sacramento. San Francisco shows a gradual increase in temperature that corresponds to population growth, but not to CO2 in the atmosphere. see this.

None of the dire predictions for California climate catastrophe have occurred since 1975, the period that climate scientists insist has shown an increase in Earth’s average temperature due to increasing CO2. In fact, sea levels are decreasing off the coast. Also, the past 40 years have seen much more rainfall than occurred in the first 40 years of the 20th century, with a state-wide average of approximately 23 inches since 1970, but only 19 inches from 1900 to 1940. Presently, the state’s lakes are full due to the recent rains and snow that is now beginning to melt. Heat waves have a long way to go to match, let alone exceed, the heat waves of the period 1920 to 1960.

On a more widespread or global basis, polar ice caps are not melting, but are growing. Sea level increases world-wide are at the same pace as far back as satellite records extend, even though CO2 continues to increase in the atmosphere. Hurricanes and tropical cyclones have not increased in intensity or frequency. In fact, ocean temperatures are decreasing, and hurricanes are decreasing too.

It is true that investors are pumping billions into California start-up companies, but as I wrote earlier, this is due to the increased price of oil. Such alternative energy, or renewable energy systems, ultimately must compete with oil. At the moment, these industries are incentivized with government subsidies, which can be removed at any time. Also, exchange traded funds (ETFs) that specialize in stocks worldwide that stand to benefit from global warming laws are under-performing the market, and by a wide margin. Investors know that global warming due to CO2 is on shaky grounds, and do not see any advantage in putting their money into such companies. see this and this.

The idea that the average homeowner in California will decrease his electric bill by 40 percent by installing new appliances and a new air conditioner is highly debatable, if not outright false. The largest consumers of electricity in a home are the refrigerator, electric stove and oven, clothes dryer, clothes washer, and automatic dishwasher. Of these, the electric stove and oven cannot be made much more efficient, if any. Homes built in the last 10 years (the 2000′s) have high-efficiency appliances due to construction laws. Homes built in the decade prior (the 1990s) likely have had their appliances wear out and either replaced already, or will be replaced soon. My estimate is that, at best, appliance replacement will decrease electric power consumption per home by 10 percent. This will be overwhelmed by the increase in electric power prices, which will be 30 to 50 percent. The reality of high-priced renewable electricity, with its required back-up power plants that burn natural gas, is a large increase in electric power prices. Where Californians currently pay approximately 14 cents per kWh for the lowest-tier of residential power, by 2020 the price will be at least 20 cents, almost a 50 percent increase.

Similarly, the idea that the consumer will save money at the gas pump by purchasing a high-efficiency car just does not make sense. The additional cost for a hybrid car is approximately $3,000, or if one wants to buy a VW Jetta with the high-mileage diesel engine, the cost is more than $10,000 additional. Meanwhile, all drivers in California must pay the increased price of gasoline, but not all drivers will purchase a new car. Those drivers who never purchase a new car, but must by economic necessity buy a used car, must not only wait years before a more-efficient car hits the used car lots, but must pay the higher price of gasoline while they wait. They will not have more spending cash in their pocket.

The idea of putting solar panels on homes in California to reduce grid demand has been around for decades. The economics have never been favorable until recently, with the three-tiered pricing for domestic electricity use in California. As to having the solar panels financed 100 percent by a bank, but having the home’s value increased, I’m not quite sure about that. It appears a homeowner could apply for the loan, have the bank pay for installing the solar panels, then sell the home at its enhanced value and walk away with an additional $20,000 or even $50,000 in his pocket, depending on the size of the solar panel system. The buyer would be obligated to pay the annual payments via his increased property tax bill. Hmmm….maybe I’ll go into the home-flipping business – but only if I purchase a home without solar panels.

Also, it appears that only the wasteful are in a position to benefit from solar panels on their home. Many of my friends, and my own modest lifestyle, do not have utility bills that soar into the higher echelons of pricing due to excessive use (as determined solely by the price-setting entity, the PUC). Thus, we and similarly situated people will not likely ever install a solar PV system – it just makes zero sense when power price is at 13 cents per kWh. On the other hand, maybe we can simply install the system using the bank’s money, then flip the house to a new owner.

The idea that Californians will be the ones manufacturing solar panels is highly suspect, given the manifold advantages of manufacturing overseas. Why would solar panels be manufactured here, when so many other products are made overseas where labor costs, and regulatory costs, are much lower? What is true is that solar panels will be installed using local labor. But after they are installed, what will those installers do? These are not sustainable jobs for the long run.

Cap and trade will dramatically increase the cost of doing business in California, to the detriment of in-state businesses. Arizona has already withdrawn from the regional cap and trade system, thus inviting California businesses to relocate to Arizona, hire people in Arizona, then ship their goods to California. The same is true of many, many other states where business conditions are much more favorable than are California’s. We have already seen every automobile assembly plant close in California, due to burdensome regulations, high taxes, high labor costs, high power prices, and now AB 32 wants to impose additional burdens on remaining businesses. It will not take much for businesses, say for example oil refineries, to shut down their refining processes and simply import gasoline, jet fuel, and diesel from other states or from overseas. Most California refineries are on the coast, except for the handful around Bakersfield. A shutdown refinery does not employ as many people, as it takes only a few to run the tank farm. Out of work refinery employees will have a follow-on impact on local businesses, especially those who provided parts and services to the refineries. The same is true for other industries, especially cement manufacturers, and other heavy industry.

The choice seems abundantly clear: vote to keep AB 32 in place and hope that the government knows what they are doing and will keep their word (and has that ever been the case in the USA, and especially California?), and that each person will indeed get that precious $5 extra in their pocket every week, and electric power prices will only increase 13 percent, and every homeowner will rush out to replace all the appliances and install solar panels, and every driver will immediately purchase a new car that achieves 35 miles per gallon, and every business will find some way to reduce their CO2 emissions below their cap level and sell carbon credits.

Or, recognize what business schools around the world (including the prestigious Harvard Business School) have taught for years (because it is a fundamental truth), that reducing one’s costs of doing business is the way to grow and prosper a business. Increasing the cost of utilities, and transportation for goods received and for goods shipped, when one’s competitors are not burdened with similar costs, is not the way to grow and prosper. Instead, it is a recipe for bankruptcy. Recognize that few homeowners have the ready cash, or credit, to purchase new appliances, and then recognize that many residences in California are rentals such as apartments. Rental apartments will not usually allow the renter to install new appliances, indeed, the only appliance the renter can replace is his own refrigerator. Not the washer, the dryer, the dishwasher, and certainly not the stove or oven. If the landlord replaces these, then rents will go up to pay for them. That will certainly wipe out that $5 per week that California promises will appear in every person’s pocket.

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wws
October 7, 2010 2:48 pm

As a Texas resident, I have mixed feelings. Of course AB32 is horrible, destructive policy – but if it’s repealed, some of the California businesses may stay put. On the other hand, if it stays in place the state’s economic collapse will be complete and Texas will profit massively from the migration of jobs and businesses that will be the result of that collapse.
But I suppose the country is better off overall if California pulls back from self destruction, so I guess they better repeal it.

Grant R Hillemeyer
October 7, 2010 2:55 pm

juanslayton says:
“So I here repeat my request to anyone who knows: How much are the AB32 special interest groups spending?”
I mean, really, who cares? It’s clear that there will winners and losers in this deal so they have that right to spend money to support it or defeat it. Why in the world would anybody in a business support this? If you haven’t had a chance to read the “Scoping Plan” plan do so. It full of half truths spouted by half wits with the backing of half science. Using their logic, why don’t we require every Californian to live in a home that is not more than 20 years old? Think of all the construction jobs it would bring into the state. This bill isn’t about saving energy or producing cleaner energy because all you’d need to do that is tax all forms of carbon energy and that would be that, it would take care of itself. This is a pipe dream of our current resident of the White House, that somehow “green jobs” are going to rescue the economy for the next generation and balance budgets. A solar panel on every roof, a hybrid in every garage.

John from CA
October 7, 2010 3:04 pm

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http://www.yeson23.com/

John from CA
October 7, 2010 3:16 pm

How can anyone support the current AB 32?
Its poorly conceived and misses the mark for Stewardship and any meaningful change. Its nothing but environmental red tape that will destroy business, undermine Rights, and cost us a fortune while achieving nothing.
70% of Americans Oppose Cap and Trade yet here it is in AB 32.
excerpt from the approved 2008 California
Climate Change Scoping Plan
Key elements of California’s recommendations for reducing its greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020 include:
• Expanding and strengthening existing energy efficiency programs as well as building and appliance standards;
• Achieving a statewide renewables energy mix of 33 percent;
• Developing a California cap-and-trade program that links with other Western Climate Initiative partner programs to create a regional market system;
• Establishing targets for transportation-related greenhouse gas emissions for regions throughout California, and pursuing policies and incentives to achieve those targets;
• Adopting and implementing measures pursuant to existing State laws and policies, including California’s clean car standards, goods movement measures, and the Low Carbon Fuel Standard;
• Creating targeted fees, including a public goods charge on water use, fees on high global warming potential gases, and a fee to fund the administrative costs of the State’s long term commitment to AB 32 implementation.
Note: after seeing the fees portion I’m tempted to vote YES on Proposition 26 but my gut says it would only help to support the minority position and would thus promote corruption and impede meaningful legislation.

Stephen Brown
October 7, 2010 3:19 pm

Alas and alack-a-day.
At least our cousins across the pond, in one State at least, have the opportunity to actually VOTE on this madness. Pray pity your less-fortunate brethren across the briny Atlantic. Here in the once sanity-blessed United Kingdom we have windmills imposed upon us by the diktats of unelected, unaccountable and invisible bureaucrats of the EUSSR. We benighted citizens have no say whatsoever and neither does our elected Parliament. The diktats are handed down and our craven ‘politicians’ cower and obey.
And we spend BILLIONS of pounds Sterling building and then subsidising totally useless lumps of 16th Century technology whilst facing rolling brown-outs (and worse) in less than five years.
Please, California, vote this nonsense out and into the dustbin of history. It just might help us in the UK to survive!

J Felton
October 7, 2010 3:24 pm

Brilliant debate, well written on both sides.
However, the fact is, the whole idea will amount to nothing more then a scheme that encourages corruption, while acomplishing little, if any of the goals it says it will acomplish.
At the heart of the matter is the principal. The Bill effectivley “forces” companies to comply with regulation.
This alone makes companies, and investors vary. When you force a certain scheme, idealogy, or system on the public or companies, you immediatly open it to individuals trying to circumvent, or ” cheat” , the system. ( ie. Drug Prohibition.)
Rather then a set of dubious set of “credits”, (is anyone else seeing a paralell to the stock market?), they could encourage incentives, such as tax breaks, for companies that comply. This has been proven to work well.
To quote Michael Crichton, ” There are many reasons to shift away from fossil fuels, and we will do so in the future. However, there did not need to be a ban on the horse-drawn carriage to usher in the automobile.
Second, the Bill sets a series of very lofty goals, none of which are proven to work. To assume that all of them are going to be acomplished, with the prices qouted, is ludicrous. Try planning something relativley simple, such as a house construction. Things always go wrong. The contractor doesnt show up, prices go up, shortage of materials, etc.
Finally, all this acomplishes nothing, when the very idea of ” Global Warming” is being fiercly debated, and still essentially unproven. To institute a massive overhaul of the system in the middle of a recession, based on faulty evidence, is incredibly stupid. ( Yes, this IPCC report looks worthy of basing economic policy on. It even comes with a gun to shoot ourselves in the foot with.)
All in all, another useless bill designed to force compliance to the eco movements point of view.
I smell Socialism at work here…

R. de Haan
October 7, 2010 3:39 pm
HaroldW
October 7, 2010 3:52 pm

Pro-AB32: “[A]dvanced cars and trucks … will use less fuel. The reduced fuel consumed (35 mpg compared to 25) will more than offset the increased fuel cost.”
Anti-AB32: “[T]he idea that the consumer will save money at the gas pump by purchasing a high-efficiency car just does not make sense.”
Everyone who buys a new car makes a decision, conscious or not, about the value of higher mileage. At $3 a gallon and 12,000 miles per year, 35 mpg saves about $400/year compared to 25 mpg. A car with better mileage and *all other features identical*, doesn’t require any legislative act; it sells itself. So why do people buy lower-mileage cars? They must be recognizing other benefits — perhaps increased comfort, safety, reliability, or, as the “anti” argument describes, lower initial costs. And why don’t manufacturers create a higher-mileage car? To the extent that they can easily improve mileage, they do; to the extent that improved mileage comes at a cost in some other aspect(s) which their target consumers value — comfort, initial costs, whatever — they don’t.
The idea that a new car with identical features but 35 mpg instead of 25 mpg, will appear due to AB32 is just magical thinking. It’s certainly possible to legislate in order to effect an increase in mileage, but there will necessarily be a loss of *something*. The market is pretty good at sorting out tradeoffs; I can’t say the same about legislatures.
The idea that consumers would save by switching to more efficient cars, in the scenario promoted by AB-32 supporters, can only be true if you make the comparison in the context of the artificially increased price of fuel. Consumers can’t possibly be better off than they currently are: In the absence of gas price changes, forcing a consumer to choose a more efficient car either hurts them (if they prefer a less efficient car because of other factors), or is neutral to them (if they would naturally select the higher-mileage car). Increasing the fuel price is definitely going to hurt the consumer. It seems a simple inequality to conclude that a consumer is not being benefited here.

Dr T G Watkins
October 7, 2010 3:56 pm

Well said Roger Sowell.
Clearly the natives are getting restless. How many Californians, Americans, Aussies, Kiwis and Brits feel exactly the same but don’t have Roger’s eloquence and critical analysis to express their views?
Kiwigate, Satellitegate and UVagate may be the beginning of the end of the AGW scam.

Doug Badgero
October 7, 2010 4:37 pm

The net effect of wind and solar power is a lower standard of living…….period. Electricity from renewable sources is of no more economic value than the electricity from non-renewable sources. In fact, it is of lower value since wind and solar are not dispatchable. You can argue that their ENVIRONMENTAL benefits outweigh their ECONOMIC costs, but to argue that their economic benefits outweigh their economic costs is economically illiterate. For evidence of this see Spain.

crosspatch
October 7, 2010 4:43 pm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/10/07/BAOF1FDMRV.DTL
Breaking news out today from the SF Chronicle
“Faulty science behind state’s landmark diesel law”
We can’t rely on anything CARB comes up with.

October 7, 2010 4:48 pm

What evidence is there that a minor (though pleasant) increase in personal discretionary funds increases employment through increased purchases (increasing manufacturing) or use of services (increasing those employed in the service industry)? This simplistic economic view of trickle-down benefits strikes me as very suspicious. Self-serving ideologically, as well. Thinking as an individual, I doubt I would see the minimal $5/week – even $50/week. It would dribble away, disappearing in more expensive items from overseas rather than more items produced locally. Or go to places fully employed but, as the owners would say, “underutilized”. Not more cars to be made, but one with a better radio. Not more coffee shops but coffee shops that are busier. Those of us who have paid off our mortgages know how quickly that mortgage payment disappeared without recognizable sign. Nickle and dimes do nothing, as they make no impact within a short period of time. Chunks spent in an instant work. Not chump change.
The improvement in employment with shifting our lifestyle to a less carbon-rich one is a false hope. Before significant increase in consumption happens, we need significant increases in discretionary income and feeling of future financial security. “Green” jobs will only increase employment if they are cottage-style with higher worker : product ratios than the non-Green jobs they replace. We are, after all, looking to change our economies, not just tack on Green bits, so there will be losses before the gains. Plus the increased ratio (if it exists) must reflect a lesser amount of automation, assembly-line methods or concentration. That means efficiency goes down. Or conversely, costs go up.
The idea that “greening” the economy increases individual wealth is based on the idea that the rich conglomerates lose money to the small businesses. A flattening of the classes. It is a socialist or cottage industry philosophy little removed from the Luddites with their sledgehammers. Greening is about redistributing wealth, not about creating additional wealth, and should be recognized as that. Not that I disagree in some ways with the ideology, but that is what it is. However, the hidden anti-capitalist greeners don’t want to admit what they wish to happen, even to themselves. They like their BMWs, and if not those, then their Chardonnay wine and lattes. They want everyone to have a BMW, glass of Chardonnay or latte. It doesn’t work that way without taking from one to give to the other unless the gross economy swells. At the same time, the Green philosophy says we should be reducing our consumption. Be more Green, buy more things made by more people but don’t increase your consumption or energy use …. doesn’t this seem a little contradictory?
The purported economic benefit of a greener society is a red herring and a lie. Recall the Greening of America, the Future Shock, Third Wave predictions that didn’t come true? All based on false assumptions about how our cultures and market economies work. Global warming/CAGW/Climate Disruption is just the latest mannequin on which cloud jockey idealism has been dressed.
The Gore/WWF/Greenpeace organizations gather much money through CAGW. Has this money translated itself into jobs, or just better homes and cars for the officers of the organizations? Talking might make you feel more spiritually rich, but it doesn’t let the guy on the bus send his kid to college.
If we want a more environmentally “friendly” world, let us have one. I’ll pay for it, at least if it is actually going to work. But don’t try to sway me with rhetoric about how I will be more comfortably off. I’m not that stupid.

richcar 1225
October 7, 2010 4:52 pm

The following link brings up a table from the EIA that breaks down the percentage of renewable energy generated in California for 2008.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/solar.renewables/page/state_profiles/california.html
Wind accounted for only 2.6% of the total electricity generated. With all the good bird killing sites taken it will be tough to expand this.
Geothermal accounts for 6.2% of electric generation but Google quickly shut down an exploration program they invested in because of earthquakes caused by the first well.
The epicenter for the California Imperial valley earthquakes earlier this year was right above the Cerro Prieto geothermal field in Mexico. It is the world’s largest.
Solar accounts for .3%. I doubt that solar thermal plants will be of much use for more than 4 hours a day. Maybe California plans to build more dams -right.
How on earth will California generate 33% of their power from reneables?

crosspatch
October 7, 2010 5:11 pm

Was AB32 based on any data provided by the Air Resources Board?
According to various articles:
http://www.globalclimatelaw.com/2008/12/articles/environmental/carb-unanimously-approves-ab-32-implementation-plan/
http://www.ucsusa.org/news/press_release/new-carb-economic-analysis-ab32-0362.html
CARB had a lot of input in this legislation. They have a history if politics interfering with science and I have no confidence that this law is based on sound findings.

Sam Hall
October 7, 2010 5:18 pm

You say
“Or, recognize what business schools around the world (including the prestigious Harvard Business School) have taught for years (because it is a fundamental truth), that reducing one’s costs of doing business is the way to grow and prosper a business. ”
Not necessary so. You grow a business by increasing the spread between the cost of goods and the return from selling them. Reducing expenses that lower the quality has done in more than a few firms.

jorgekafkazar
October 7, 2010 5:43 pm

Don’t forget that a large part of the cost of water is pumping cost, i.e., electricity. When electric rates go up, water will go up right along with them.

Gary Hladik
October 7, 2010 6:19 pm

If AB32 was actually a good law, it wouldn’t have been necessary to make it a law, right?

juanslayton
October 7, 2010 6:38 pm

Grant R. Hillemeyer:
“…who cares?”
The many thousands of California voters who are susceptible to ad hominem arguments care. Right now they are being told that Prop 23 is the work of evil oil companies acting out of economic self interest. They need to hear how much the Prop 23 opponents are spending and realize that these groups also have an economic interest in the outcome.

papertiger
October 7, 2010 6:41 pm

juanslayton says:
October 7, 2010 at 1:53 pm
The Secretary of State for California has a list of pacs supporting or opposed to each proposition.
Here is the listing for Prop 23 campaign monies .
I didn’t add them up (Giant’s game tonight) but just giving it the ugly eyeball the ratio is running 12:1 against

crosspatch
October 7, 2010 6:53 pm

“How on earth will California generate 33% of their power from reneables?”
We will have to dam every river in the state. We will have to plaster millions of acres of desert habitat with solar panels. We will have to put up so many windmills that the state will be a hazard for winged wildlife.
That is, unless nuclear power with recycled fuel is considered “renewable”. We could build plants with two conventional reactors, a breeder reactor, and a reprocessing plant on the same site. Once fuel enters, it never leaves except for the utterly depleted waste from the reprocessing process. Yes, reprocessing results in plutonium but the plutonium never leaves the site. Every bit created is “burned” in the plant. There is no risk of loss of material from long distance transportation. Also, new “fuel” is regular natural uranium, there is no need for transport of enriched uranium around the country. In fact, “depleted uranium” can be used as fuel stock.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=smarter-use-of-nuclear-waste

crosspatch
October 7, 2010 7:03 pm

If every single household … EVERY one … in California is converted to renewable energy, that would account for about 8% of total demand. Just moving water around in California accounts for a lot of energy consumption, more than domestic household use. In one city where I have a friend who is an engineer, their water treatment is the largest user of energy in the city. We pump it out of the ground, pump it to treatment, treat it, pump it to storage. Then it flows to the home. We then pump the waste, treat it, and we pump it someplace to dispose of it.
I believe I read a while back that about 30% of California’s energy consumption is water related. It is something like 30% transportation, 30% industrial use (Google is a huge consumer of power in California), 30% water, and about 10% household use.

cementafriend
October 7, 2010 7:25 pm

Roger Sowell, I note that you are an engineer but I am not sure if you are registered under the Californian Professional Engineers Act. It seems to me that much of the data which the AB32 is based on should have been signed off by registered engineers. Has anyone considered taking some of the public servants, consultants and drafters of the legislation to court for breaches of the PE Act (being not registered and/or not being competent)? One of the things mentioned in the act is economical assessment. As you say the subsidies make no economic sense.

juanslayton
October 7, 2010 7:36 pm

papertiger:
Thanks for the pointer, that’s what I was looking for. Good luck with the Giants.
John

F. Ross
October 7, 2010 9:30 pm


Allencic says:
October 7, 2010 at 12:38 pm
As a California resident, I took great pleasure today in filling out and mailing my absentee ballot for the upcoming election and voting for the Proposition which will delay (and hopefully kill) the cap and trade/global warming edict for CA. Felt pretty good to vote against public teat sucker Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer too.

Ditto!

juanslayton
October 7, 2010 10:44 pm

I have now had some time to review the political committee filings with the Secretary of State’s office. There are, as reported, 12 committees in opposition to Prop 23. If you just total their reported contributions, they add up to about nineteen and a half million. However, this is not a correct total, because they are passing money back and forth among themselves. And some of the action looks ‘funny.’
Example: The largest group, reporting over 15 million, is “No on 23- Californians to Stop the Dirty Energy Proposition’ (committee # 1324059). One of their reported contributions is $500,000 on 3/31/2010, from a group calling itself “Green Tech Action Fund” (no committee number given in this report). But the Green Tech Action Fund (# 1329124) reports total 2010 expenditures through 30 September of only $83,552.97. At the same time, Green Tech reports total income through 30 September of $145,000 from–guess who!–No on 23 – Californians to Stop the Dirty Energy Proposition.
Keep your eyes on the pea….