Guest Post by Thomas Fuller
Depending on when this gets posted, the post Anthony put up titled “O…M…G – Video explodes skeptical kids in bloodbath” may have sunk quite a bit down the pile of posts–Anthony and his squad are prolific posters.
But it can’t get any lower than the content shown in 10 10’s video. A relatively innocuous campaign to persuade people to lower their own emissions by 10 percent has pretty much exploded (literally) any hope that the debate can rise above the Wes Craven level. What’s next? The Last House on the Left… Isn’t Insulated?
The idea that blowing up skeptics is the proper response isn’t at all new–and skeptics have known this for ten years, if the drivel I get in my inbox is any indication at all. The very phrase ‘denier’ comes from a concerted campaign to show skeptics (and lukewarmers like myself, although we often get the double whammy title delayer and denier) as equivalent to those who denied the Holocaust occurred.
There has been a concerted campaign to paint everyone who does not agree with Al Gore and James Hansen as monstrous, ranging from allegories with the railroad trains filled with coal heading to some concentration camp to the late Stephen Schneider’s pathetic paper attempting to assert primacy and purity by miscounting academic publications.
But this is hate speech, pure and simple. It legitimizes almost any action against or characterization of those who do not agree with the most hysterical version of Catastrophic and Cataclysmic Climate Change–shoot ’em all and let God sort ’em out.
Using ten-year-old kids as both props and victims is a particularly nice touch.
When DDB created an ad for the WWF showing planes crashing into the World Trade Center as an advertisement asking for support for green activism, it was grotesque, tasteless and an insult to all who suffered losses on September 11th, 2001. It would have been impossible to imagine a cruder, less sensitive call to green action.
Until now.
For any of those on the activist side who wonder why skeptics (and lukewarmers) don’t trust the communications put forward by their team, they might wonder just how much any sign of reason might be contaminated by the stench from garbage like this.
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Somebody on the other thread suggested going to You Tube and flagging this video for disgusting content. I did. Hope many others will follow suit.
mircea ,
Again you are failing to make the distinction – often considered crucial – between reality and fiction. Things that are funny in fiction are often horrific in reality.
Fiction.
Reality.
The key thing to remember here is *they are not the same thing*. I hope that I have helped. 🙂
I was so disgusted that I did not watch past the first minute.
Jimasherman,
By my own estimation, I am in neither category – your opinion as to my mental state may differ, of course. 🙂
I find it amusing in large part *because* of the over the top reaction to it. People here are claiming that *because I find this video funny I must support the murder of children or find Dachau a barrel of laughs*. Those are their – apparently – serious claims. Surely you agree that that is either hilarious or very, very sad.
I am thinking perfectly clear Mr. Gould. My wife’s gr. grandfather was Jewish,her mother and father belonged to B’nai B’rith. They belonged because of my father in law
and his experiences in liberating Dachau. I realize I am just an old Eastern Oregon Redneck, not as sophisticated as you, but. Killing Children in a bloody cloud is not funny. Period.
Mien Kampf was fiction. The fiction of a clouded,evil mind. Look where it led.
I work with young people. This “Comedy” “work of fiction” could easily erupt in
reality. I knew an old man.He was raised in Hitler’s Germany. He went to Hitler
Youth. He hated Jews, Gypsies, and Gays. His days spent in the seat of a flack 88
as a young teen, in April, 1945 got him captured by the Americans. If head been
Captured by the Russians he probably would’ve been dead. He wrote of his indoctrination. He would talk to anyone who would listen to him. He was a
Nuclear Engineer I knew at the Hanford area. He said”Dehumanization is the
first step to the ovens.” This video dehumanized those who disagree. Dehumanization is the first step to the end described by- mircea, and my friend.
As we speak, there is a Terrorist that may or may not have been thwarted by
the USA,Britian, Germany et.al. These young people were warped by bad men and
their ideas. Also the perverting of a Religion.
Yes, it is a stretch, but one that has been made before.
I can only imagine the outrage and “danger” if such a video were produced about abortion , politicians, or many other subjects.
How about a video of Muslims being blown-up? Would that be funny because it plays on the paranoia of American’s hating Muslims and wanted them gone? What a joke that would be on Muslims! Laughter for everyone!
The 10-10 video is socially crippled.
Richard Sharpe says:
September 30, 2010 at 7:21 pm
“Given the propensity for the AGW crowd to label sceptics as denialists (and thus equate them to holocaust denialists) ”
Oh for petes sake! I stopped using the word “denier” because people claimed I was making a link with Holocaust deniers, so I switched to “denialist” which was probably better as I think of such people as in denial of an addiction.
Now Richard is saying Holocaust deniers are actually “holocaust denialists”.
David Gould,
Patronizing with statements that we just do not get the joke and lecturing on how fiction cannot be compared to reality in this case?
You are joking of course.
John
If it’s a joke, I don’t get it. If it’s a piece of vile propaganda, I do get it.
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John Whitman,
Seriously: people here are *directly comparing this video with the Holocaust*. And I am *patronising* them by pointing out that one is fiction and the other reality?
I am indeed poking fun. In response to that idiocy, what other options are open to me?
latitude says: …now where did I put my bible and guns
No worries, I’ve got a whole truckload of them in my fallout shelter so I can loan you a few. Need any beer and chili-cheese-dogs? Got those with nachos sauce too. I can deliver them with my Diesel 4×4 dually truck… once I get the deer carcasses unloaded 😉
@Those who defend the video as “humor”, so call it OK:
Please post a video showing Mohammed being beheaded by a jew in drag, great fun, I’m sure. Then post one showing a gay woman being gang banged by the football team, do it as animation and make the guys very large, harry, and dumb. How about one showing Jihadies in clown suits blowing up a jewish school… I’m sure it will all be ‘a real hoot’ and nobody would find it offensive or hate speech… /sarcoff>
Feel OK about defending THOSE ideas as “just humor, get over it”?
I didn’t think so.
While I personally find the whole concept of “hate speech” to be hateful ( for exactly the reason that it puts some group in charge of deciding what speech is OK); the fact is that we are saddled with it. So “in for a penny in for a pound”: If you would not accept substituting a {gay, woman, black, jew, moslem, handicapped, asian, Redheaded Stepchild, …} in the video, then it’s “hate speech” and you get to just suck it up and accept that the promoters are “haters”.
Oh, and advocacy for murder is often a crime. Might want to check your local laws…
absolutely disgusting
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David Gould says
“I find it amusing in large part *because* of the over the top reaction to it. People here are claiming that *because I find this video funny I must support the murder of children or find Dachau a barrel of laughs*. Those are their – apparently – serious claims. Surely you agree that that is either hilarious or very, very sad.”
Well David I am about 4 posts beyond reason but I can try.
Firstly, even humor is not always funny. Since we are using Monty Python,
I can say for instance, that while “Holy Grail” was very funny, “Spamalot” was not.
Same material, same author, just not funny in that venue ( not to mention the gratuitous “You’ve got to have a Jew” song)
By the same token, just as movies and plays are different things, so, Humor for its own sake, and funny adverts are two different things.
No one thinks the guy who uses “AXE” will really get all the chicks but he would like to.
No one thinks the AGW advocates are really going to kill Skeptics, but they would like to.
This video is not humor for its own sake but an advertisement meant to intimidate and propagandize young children.
In that context of NGO sponsored events of sacrifice for the planet, it is unfunny.
Just as unfunny as the self-deceasing Chimapnzee.
But more disturbing to us because we already know that our comrades to the left on the climate crisis side, have not just wrong but plainly ( since everyone now knows that it is wrong) evil plans afoot, even for the people they pretend to want to help.
If you don’t know this stuff, catch up.
I see you didn’t get the “eugenics” comment.
Perhaps you should acquaint yourself withe the Malthusian, and Erlichian strains of the climate movement as we have here at some length, and find out how deeply those strains run.
Douglas Dc says: I am thinking perfectly clear Mr. Gould. My wife’s gr. grandfather was Jewish,her mother and father belonged to B’nai B’rith. They belonged because of my father in law and his experiences in liberating Dachau.
Hmmm…. My F.I.L. was a Drill Seargent in the 101 st Airborne and also participated in camp “liberations” in WWII. My Dad was a “combat Engineer” in the same area and got to blow open various ‘enclosures’. Guess even 2nd hand those experiences change you. I know it did me… My son is picking it up from watching Band Of Brothers and knowing his GrandDad was there…
Any advocating of blowing up those who do not agree with you is, at best, vile. That this preys on children is both sick and vile. Doing it as part of a politically driven “event” is, IMHO, beyond vile and reminds me of prior manipulation of children by National Socialists…
Maybe they could start a health oriented “sun cult” and advocate for population reduction among the least “fit”, in a green sort of way, of course. Oh wait, someone already tried that and it didn’t turn out so well…
Douglas Dc,
Mein Kampf was fiction, but not in the sense that you mean. It was actually a serious statement of intent, although filled with lies. Again, comparing this video to Mein Kampf and saying “If you think that this is funny, Dachau must be a laugh riot…” is more than a stretch; it is a complete break.
‘Could easily erupt in reality’. Oh, please. In that case, you must ban all television violence, comedic or otherwise, as it ‘could easily erupt in reality’.
Jimasherman,
I agree that not all attempts at humour are funny – indeed, I would say that most attempts are not; humour is actually very difficult to do well.
When you say that AGW advocates would like to kill sceptics, I am not really sure how to respond other than to say: I – a passionate AGW advocate – do not want to kill you or any other sceptic.
I understand what the word ‘eugenics’ means and where it comes from. But I am unclear what it had to do with me.
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David Gould,
But I think you do see the point being made by commenters that if we were to write a fiction story about some future fascist government tiring to push red buttons to eliminate Jews, it would not be funny except to someone who would be psychologically sick.
If you were to agree that such a fiction story would not be funny, then you probably can see why we do not find the 10:10 video funny.
John
David Gould,
You certainly have every right to a dark sense of humor. However, it seems a bit strange to express it publicly, especially in contrast to the obvious disgust by others. Do you feel some overriding need to defend what many rightfully view as distasteful? David, you have heard of statements such as, “humor doesn’t travel”, or “humor doesn’t translate”, right?
So, why don’t you lay-off the folks who are outraged by this stupid video?
Oh, by the way, it also seems to me the majority of paranoia is on your side, i.e., fear of, at worst, fractional degree temperature changes on decadal or longer time scales. Lighten up, would you?
Oh, and I’d just also point out that the ‘leaders’ of the AGW Crusade have advocated for lawlessness with Hansen having been arrested a couple of times and having testified that breaking the law is OK if your cause is desperate enough. (And that is now case law in the UK). So we have direct ADVOCACY of illegal and violent acts along with a justification of them and a daemonizing behaviour toward skeptics by the very leaders of this ‘movement’.
It is in that context that this video is floated.
Yeah, that’s a problem… No, it’s not humor.
So when some punk in the UK beats up or knifes a classmate for being a skeptic, and gets ‘let off’ due to pointing at the Hansen precident, are you OK with that? (And if you don’t think that can / will happen, spend some time teaching. My spouse is a teacher and that kind of thing happens very often.)
This isn’t aimed at us. It’s aimed at young people. It is meant to paint those who don’t fall into line as less than human. It is meant to stifle dissent and legitimize ridicule and hatred.
It is hate speech.
Steve Allen,
The fact that I am defending it indicates a need to do so at some level. I agree that people have different senses of humour. But I do think that the reaction to this video on this website has been over the top, and at the moment it is that reaction I am trying to understand/analyse/poke at.
John Whitman,
Context is everything, as is timing. History of the World Part I by Mel Brooks has a scene in a Spanish Inquisition torture room which is very funny; Black Adder also had a scene in a torture room that was likewise very amusing.
I would like to ask you a question. Do you think that me finding this video funny mean that, as one person here has suggested, I advocate the murder of children as social policy? If you do not, then you surely agree that some of the reaction here has been over the top.
Mr. Gould; you keep making the distinction between ‘reality’ and ‘fiction’ which I think the makers of this video are not. They are basing this trash as fact with what you call a comedic vision of violence. I dont see how you can make one distinction and not the other. If you are saying that the whole thing is comedic, then I agree on the point that their viewpoint is comedic, if you can see it that way. I think it more of a ideological mindset with no basis in fact, and therefore yes, it could be viewed as comedic, if you can stomach that kind of comedy. Personally I love violence in my movie/tv viewing, but this is not what is going on here. You are transposing two different ideas together that make no sense, such as my ability to make a salient point simply. Its like saying that because feathers are lite then if your in a room full of feathers it cant be dark. Either they are saying something they believe is true or they are making, in my opinion as well as most other rational people, a very bad and tasteless comedy short.
“No one thinks the AGW advocates are really going to kill Skeptics, but they would like to.”
I’m far from convinced: the left have always resorted to the mass murder of their opponents when they had the opportunity to do so, when they’re unable to convince them by rational argument… I’m sure there are plenty of AGW-ers who’d be more than happy to send us all off to death^H^H^H^H^Hpublic safety camps if they could.
Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler; with a hundred million murdered by socialists and communists in the last few decades, what’s a few ‘climate change denialists’ to them?